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From: Horace Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 19:35

I am struck by the way the orchid world is shrinking- meaning in
particular, the number of orchid nurseries to which we have access, and
the range of orchids they stock. For example, I am particularly looking
for a couple of Mexican orchid species at the moment .
No-one I can think of lists them, but whilst I was looking − using
Orchid Mall to search all of the EU dealers ( since they could easily
legally send me plants by mail) and then all of the other dealers I can
remember seeing at Shows anywhere, thinking they could mail plants to me
from Germany for example, the next time they go there, I became aware of
several dealers who say − " regrettably we have stopped trading
in species − all of our activity is with Phalaenopsis" or words
to that effect.

And then I thought of some dealers who used to come − like the Columbian
firm ( Andrea's outfit) who were not at London EOC, and when I
look at their website, they are not going anywhere after this month. A
ir fares making it uncommercial − ? It must be a factor. Time was when
someone could come from say Australia with a couple of suitcases full of
plants wrapped in moss and aluminium foil, and sell 5 or 10 thousand
pounds of plants in a big show − and get a cheapy airfare for UKP500
return. Not any more − the CITES for UK would cost that much with say a
hundred genera represented, and air fares seem to have gone through the

I think serious hobbyists like us ( is there anyone there reading this,
I wonder ? ) are an endangered species ourselves.

Btw I have even thought of going to Mexico and visiting nurseries there
- as a nice warm place for our winter holiday − armed with CITES of
course, and doing a personal importation when I return − but the few
nurseries listed there don't list the ones I want.

If anyone does have a plant or plants of Encyclia adenocaule ( syn
nemorale) and Rossioglossum williamsianum they are willing to sell or
divide or what-have you , drop me a line − do.



From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 15:20

I thoroughly agree, Geoff.
Our hobby is shrinking, as are numbers coming to local shows. As you know, I
am organising the next BOC Congress in Norwich (November 2016) so really
having to plan for effective local publicity to get people through the door
with a "wow" factor. Several EU nurseries showed interest in attending so I
am following those up too.
You obviously missed Andrea Niessen at the EOC. She also came to our
Lincolnshire Orchid Group to give a talk after EOC before flying off to
somewhere in the EU. She had plants with her on her stand at EOC and brought
some to Lincoln, although by the time she came here they did look a bit
dried up. I gather that several Pleuro Alliance people who joined us had
satisfactory purchases.
I do have a spare Rossioglossum williamsianum I would love to share with
you. Not sure if you will be going to Malvern where I could bring it for you
(now in early spike and maybe flower by then) or I could post it to you −
let me know. I did say "share" which is always a pleasure so either way no



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 06:45

I was in something of a hurry at EOC − I had planned three days in London, but my wife is now getting very frail and she decided not to come with me at the last moment. Since she cannot do much for herself at home and I had not arranged any alternative, I decided to go just for one day , stay the night then come home the following morning − I suppose this is how I came to miss Andrea.
I hope to be at Norwich − I did not even know there would be a BOC next year, never mind any details !
Bournemouth has its AGM later this month ; I am sure we will be supporting the next Congress − I shall mention it at the meeting.
And Malvern − I am going on the first day , and again staying the night nearby then returning the following morning.
The Rossio’ − how very kind ! What can I possibly say, except that I shall be delighted to accept !




From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 07:00

I also agree Geoff. I started growing orchids when I was 30y . I am now 64y. We had Mansell and Hatcher and their Odonts. Then there was Wyld Court and their species and huge Lycaste/Angulocaste plants. But we can now order plants from EEC nurseries without paying tax. The good old days have gone and now we have Dutch hybrids and Phals.by the million. But we do have a very good Disa nursery in the UK, which is good. I bought a yellow form of Disa uniflora from Dick Warren, which was a good size. It has gone through the Winter and now looks established. It won't flower this year but hopefully the next year will be fruitful.
The good old days!
Peter F., Alton.

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From: Horace Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 10:55

It was good to hear from you Peter. I bought some seedlings ( Disas) from Hildegard Crous which are growing − slowly ! − but I am having to think about repotting them later in the year.
I have been growing in a 'wall frame” − a sort of mini greenhouse, about 6 feet wide, 6 feet high, and 3 feet from front to back . They get far more light than when growing in the orchid house , I have a 50% shade cloth which I hang over when there is bright sun, but most of the winter it was just plain glass. Much of the time they are a lot cooler too − temperatures held above about 4 degrees on the coldest nights of the year . The first flowers are out on a Kewensis var., and several more are in advanced spike.
But none of my pots looks as good as the ones you showed in a photo ! Maybe it’s just that you have been growing them for a lot longer than me ?



From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 12:15

Richard − I did the local publicity for the Llandudno Congress and you may
be interested to hear about the main things I did. We did succeed in
enticing people through the door!

Day after day I traipsed up and down the promenade in Llandudno taking note
of the tourist coach companies contact details. I phoned them to sell
ourselves, then sent leaflets to them to hand out to passengers on the
relevant weekend.

Contacted local gardening societies, etc. gave talks and handed out

During the year beforehand used a great deal of petrol putting up a poster
display, usually with a few orchids, at every flower show and orchid society
show I could get to (from Devon to Glasgow) extolling the benefits of a
holiday in Llandudno and the Congress in particular. Orchid growers don't
always know what is going on in the wider world so need encouragement, too.

I put posters up all over the place within about a 20 mile radius (usually
free), including open gardens, libraries, surgeries, shops and, especially,
hotels and caravan sites and, where appropriate, left leaflets. Tourists are
always looking for something to do, especially if raining.

The week before:
Persuaded the local newspaper to interview me at home. I put a nice, bright
outfit on and arranged all my flowering orchids in one greenhouse and stood
in front of them for a photo. It was the first and last time that
odontoglossums, masdevallias and phalaenopsis appeared to grow happily
together in one greenhouse! It was published and generated a lot of
interest − I was called the Orchid Lady for years afterwards − and received
very many daft phone calls of the 'I've got an orchid' variety.

Days before:
Requested a TV and radio presence. TV ignored it but I was interviewed
during the set up for live local radio. I described glorious displays that
were still in their packing boxes, encouraged, with a big grin on his face,
by the interviewer.

Good luck, and I look forward to BOC Norwich.


From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 18:40

Thank you, Tina. All input very welcome.
Even at this early stage I have created long lists of every sort of plant
organisation (commercial, Societies, shops, Garden Centres, NAFAS, WI, and
so on) in Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridgeshire. I have a contact at most
local printed mags and papers and someone who has a gardening program on
radio. Planning is well in hand but I guess the hard graft will come in a
few months time getting the message across.


From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 21:30

Hi Geoff. I've only been growing Disas for about four to five years. Not that long. I gave my Neofinetias away, because the kittens were eating them. They have gone to a good home. Please keep us informed how they are doing , please. My wife was born in Cape Town and so I had to give Disas a go. They seem to grow well for me and will be having their first feed of the year in the next couple of days. I feed them three times a year, with Seaweed Feed with extra Iron ; very dilute. You seem to have them flowering well Geoff. I only have one in bud at the moment.
Pics soon I think, Geoff.
All the best.

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From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The shrinking orchid world ?
Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 10:40

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