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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:50

Yes, I do spend most of my (computer) time on the iPad , joining in discussion groups, browsing for info, shopping, banking etc,and it is the ease with which I do all this which leads me to a Mac for other work. Of course the iPad has limitations apart from screen size mainly in accessing databases, to get info in, printing to get data out ( without buying yet another printer) and creating storage record of work done. Cloud is all very well , but it won't keep the terabyte or so of stuff I keep on external hard drives of my PC.

But I have not yet changed over , merely made the decision to do it, although when I spell out what I will have to do, I start dithering again

I have concerns about software , what will run and what won't , how practical is it in fact to run emulator, so that Windows software can be run on the Mac ? People always say 'in theory you can do this, although I've never tried it' !

I use Serif Page Plus to do my walking club programmes, and publicity,

Photoshop or Photoshop Elements for image handling,

Anquet maps and SatMap for route planning and making route s to transfer to and from my hand-held GPS device for walking.

Orchid-wiz for research into orchids

Taxcalc to do my tax return.

Etc.

I doubt if any of these will run in Apple.

I have planned to keep the best of my laptops ( currently running Windows 7 ), and maybe even run one of my present two 20 inch monitors from it , using an external hard drive to keep all the databases for use on the Mac or the laptop,in case I get stuck , or more realistically , for when I do get stuck with the Mac, but if I am not careful I shall end up with an even more crowded desk than I have at present , and if I am going to keep on solving Windows problems and come to grips with Mac, that is not going to mean simplification of my life, on the contrary.

But first I have to clear out my study which slowly silts up with this and that. I simply don't have any desk/bench space left until I have done that. I don't normally procrastinate , but it is so easy for me to do this over the Windows/Mac switch.

Regards

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Changing to Mac
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:20

Hi Geoff,

I could fix you up with an old Weston meter − not exactly in mint condition but fully functional. I'm sure you'd soon regress into exposure values and bracketing if not short pants and a school cap! I have a second one that we occasionally use in the greenhouse so I could spare one. Incidentally, there are apps for your iPhone or iPad that go some way to substituting for a Weston and might be worth a look. However, for real nostalgia there's nothing like the real thing. My neck is no longer adequate for hanging a camera, binocs, hand lens, gadget bag and a Weston round. I've already given up the tripod for a beanbag.

I referred to Aperture for the Mac. It handles RAW files without problems and, incidentally, was instrumental in converting me back to RAW after I'd decided that life isn't long enough for it! In fact, RAW on the iMac 27" is a revelation. The latest version of Aperture running under OS Mountain Lion sits happily alongside iPhoto (there used to be library problems but these are no longer apparent. However, be cautious with my advice/comments because I am sure you are a more discriminating (perfectionist?) photographer than I !

Although my eyesight is not bad, I have to accept that I can no longer distinguish subtle differences that others seem to be able to see. On the other hand there are clear differences visible when I set my cameras (Nikon 5000 or D100) to .jpg and RAW. Aperture simply loads them all and so I get two of each pic; a jpg and a RAW and the contrast is obvious.

Cheers

John

On 21 Oct 2012, at 19:52, "Geoff" wrote:

> Afterthought , about what programme to use for photo processing , I need the ability to handle RAW files too , the sort of super close ups alternating with more general shots ( for my orchid pics) makes exposure calculation by the camera systems ( whichever camera I use) very difficult,and i have forgotten all the skill I had in the days before auto exposure. I don't even have a Weston Master these days... The ability of Nikon RAW to allow me to adjust up to 5 stops either side of the actual exposure without loss of quality is something I can't do without.
>
> Geoff

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From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:25

I run CS5 and Lightroom 4 on my macbookpro without any problems. They give me the RAW I am used to for my Leica.
Richard

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:45

Hi Geoff,

As I said earlier, I am less of a perfectionist than I suspect you are. In my Photo Society days (with a PC then) I could never afford Photoshop and used the poor mans photo-editor, PaintShopPro which was eventually hijacked by Corel. As you imply, one of the most needed serious facilities is the ability to use layers. Lately, since moving to Macs (iMac and MacBookPro), I have spent more time getting to grips with the machines in general (I must be a slow learner!).

I admit that my photo-editing has been less adventurous than formerly and I have secretly done occasional layer jobs back on the PC but, like you, have been looking at available layer capable editors for the Mac other than Photoshop. My view of Photoshop has long been that, good as it is (and there's probably nothing better) its cost and the learning curve make it prohibitive unless one starts at the age of about 5 and immediately retires with a private income and all the time in the world.

I have just acquired Pixelmator which, at £20 doesn't leave may wallet skeletal. However, I haven't played with it enough to be able to give credible advice but it does do layers which I'll be exploring asap. I am under the impression that can be used in tandem with Aperture which, it seems to me, is better than sliced bread for my (my!!) other applications. I had a brief exploration of Gimp but I think you'd be dissatisfied with that after Photoshop experience.

In the old days a mere mention of graphics and photography seemed to imply one was Apple-id (groan). However, whenever i got friendly enough with professionals who didn't get their Photoshop paid for by the firm, they admitted to actually using PaintSho- pPro (this was in the days of PSP v4,5,6.- I think that was after the Civil War and the Lunar landings but before I'd retired!

Is anyone else communicating with you about Apples and photos?

I'll let you know how I get on with Pixelmator but quite a lot of my pics aren't orchidaceous. even so . . . . . . .

Oh yes, there's just one other point; having filled our wardrobes with A3 prints that I seldom peruse, I tend to view my photos at least on HDTV or, better, on the IMac big screen. This probably takes me out of the realm of 'serious' photographers but, then, I do it for fun! A bottom line though; I'm serious enough not to want to go back to Windows anything . . . and certainly not Windows 8!

Let's keep sharing experiences . . oh, and I was serious about a Weston if you want it.

Cheers
John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:55

Geoff,

I think you will find suitable alternatives for most of your software
although in some cases it will require you to part with cash!

You can run Windows on the Mac if you must, but it is run under
virtualization, not an emulator. BootCamp comes with every new Mac
and it lets you run Windows natively as if your Mac were a PC, with
no extra cost if you already have Windows Installation CDs. You do
have to boot directly into Windows or Mac OS X using this system, but
if you want to run Mac OS X and Windows side by side without having
to reboot you can purchase Parallels Desktop (approx UKP65) for Mac
or VMware Fusion (approx UKP40).

I can't imagine that Pages, which costs UKP 13.99, will not be able
to everything that Serif Pages Plus can do. I've made programmes,
flyers, leaflets, brochures, newsletters etc. with it and think it's
the best thing since sliced bread. There is also an IOS version for
around UKP6 so you can work on files on your iPad and transfer them
to the desktop machine and vice versa.

Plenty of image handling applications. Aperture, which John S has
mentioned, should suit although there are others − as you know,
Photoshop is available for Mac; there are more.

Anquet Maps is available free for Mac and evidently there is some
kind of Mac version of SatMap (called something else, of course!).

OrchidWiz is the fly in the ointment unless an iPad version ever
comes to fruition. I'm not holding my breath.

As far as I can tell there are alternatives to Taxcalc, some free,
but I haven't had time to do any more research for you.

Hope that helps,

--

Tricia

Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:30

Geoff,
Layers-relevant refs;

http://www.ronmartblog.com/2012/05/ask-ron-what-do-you-think-about.html
http://ebookee.org/Pixelmator-1-6-7-Mac-Os_1393264.html but I'd advise steering clear of Babylon − it's a b****r to get rid of; at least it was on my PC.

Geoff; since I last communicated I've been playing with pixelmator. ** Like with all new programs and, indeed, the Apples themselves. I think it is a matter of learning to 'think' like the prog or the machine itself. I'm impressed with and optimistic about pixelmator. From what I (or you) can glean from comment on the web, it isn't a P-shop clone but it will probably allow me to do all or most of what I'd achieve on P-shop just as, I believe, I did with PSP. At least it'll keep the brain alive for a few hours . . . or wear it out (in which case nothing matters I guess!).

As for worrying about software; what's good enough for NASA is good enough for me although having a similar budget would help.

As for emulators; one reason I went to Apple was to escape the high likelihood of Microsoft friendly viruses and other malicious junk. I believe a Windows emulator is a backdoor into the otherwise low-risk Apple OS. Or do you know better?

**With reference to your rather full study; I now work in the living room and multitask reading a book, watching telly and using my keyboard. I am currently wired for music, charging the MBP which is on my knee and have various camera bits around with a mini HDMI lead to the telly. Margaret describes all this "Playing wire again"

Cheers
John

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From: Mark Macklam
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:55

Hello,

Have just started reading the emails on this topic. My wife is quite happy using the processing tools in iPhoto. Aperture, which I have not used but have looked at, I think is fairly powerful on the processing front.. Also have a look at GraphicConvertor, the best alternative to PhotoShop and inexpensive, quite powerful. I have used it for years, and PhotoShop, but dropped it when it finally developed beyond [tools, processing features] my needs. I think I paid $39-00 CDN. along time ago, with numerous free version upgrades since.

I use a Mac Mini btw, with a large Samsung monitor.

Mark

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:35

Hello Tricia and Geoff,

First; Thanks to you Tricia for coming in with your words of wisdom about Bootcamp and Parallels .
I have been trawling the same alleyways of the web and while I am sure Tricia is correct there is another issue that worries me; as I said to you, Geoff, one of my reasons for jumping ship to Apple was that , after about 30 healthy years I have had relatively recent experience of PC susceptibility for viruses. I have a fully paid for reputable and recommended antiviral software (AVG) but it didn't stop the need for my spending £100 rescue and then a subsequent loss of data when I later restored my reinfected Samsung laptop to its new condition. That machine now works fine unless I install Office on it when it reverts to its viral sickness. Not surprisingly, I don't want to increase the relatively low risk that Apples seem to enjoy. Browsing, I came across what seems to me a fairly authoritative article at

http://uits.arizona.edu/services/win_mac/macosx

I suspect that both you Tricia and Geoff might be interested. As for myself, in spite of some reassurance, I think I'll tolerate less than the best graphics software in place of peace of mind. After all, Apples are only "less likely" to get viruses and not absolutely proof against them. Since I, like Geoff, have a PC for those rare absolutely essential off-line uses I'll live in my private cave with my OS Mountain Lion and fend off Microsoft with a long pointed pole. After all, by the time I buy a Windows licence and less than 100% useful antiviral software, I may as well spend a few bob on Mac compatible software. When I compare current prices/values with what I spent in1980 for Sub-Logics graphics, a decent word processor, a spreadsheet and my Apple ][ with drives and 5" floppies, what I have now was almost given to me free by comparison. Anyway, Aperture is v-good value at £40, Pixelmator about £20 and some pretty good free apps like Phaseplot are they really expensive?

I'm fully converted to Apples!

Thanks for the collective thoughts!
John

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:40

The important question is whether you bought these programmes since converting to Mac, or before ?
CS9 (?) at least was produced as Windows version or Mac version, and they were not mutually compatible , you needed the right one.

Geoff

Richard Baxter wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?

I run CS5 and Lightroom 4 on my macbookpro without any problems. They give me the RAW I am used to for my Leica.
Richard

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:45

Thanks for all that John ; a few other people are joining in , Richard Baxter whom you must now since you both live near the North Pole ( from a Christchurch perspective... ( joke of course) , he is a Sheffield OS man, lives at Newark now. And others too, occasionally.

I'll take a rain check on the Weston , I really really don't want to go down that route unless I am very desperate.

I have a few jobs to finish off here , and am away for a couple of weeks in the Canaries, and then , maybe a month from now, I hope to get down to it seriously/.

Geoff

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:50

That is so helpful Tricia that I have printed it out and stuck it on the wall, for when I get back to this.
13.99 I can live with − 650 (?) for the latest Photoshop in any version , gives me palpitations !

With the map things, there is the software to handle them , which is always free , then you buy the maps. I would rather not have to buy all my maps again although they have come down enormously ( from about 50 or 60 for a single County unless it is a large county like Yorkshire to as little as 30 to cover the whole of the South of England from Kent to Cornwall at the scale I need for walking) so I have just persuaded myself there is no problem there. Good, one more tick on the list ./

Geoff

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From: theta
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Changing to Mac
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:05

Geoff,

I echo Richard's recommendation for Adobe LightRoom 4 − it is a very
nice program. My pro photographer buddy recommended it to me and I've
loved every minute. I use it in conjunction with Photoshop − but − I
hardly ever have to change over to Photoshop as LightRoom does most
everything I need it to do, including importing raw photos (with option
to make them Digital Negative files − DNG − during import). It has great
cataloging, key-wording, and photo development capabilities (changing
exposure on raw, color correction, rotating, cropping, dodging, red-eye,
etc.). It even has built-in export, slideshow, publishing and printing.
The clincher is that it is a non-destructive editor − all the original
photos are unchanged (hence the need to export when you need to share or
publish). It's a breeze. For me, it was worth every penny.

-mark-

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From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:10

Always amazes me how all this technology works up here in the frozen wilds of Nottinghamshire. You may remember that I changed my ISP 15 months ago to a radio system which comes into an aerial on my roof to avoid the decrepit copper wires which, according to BT, are in such a remote location (13 miles from Nottingham) that the likelihood of fibre is almost non existent. Never looked back. Icing of the overhead wires perhaps and reduced BT budgets cutting back on snowmobiles and snow shoes, not to mention those vicious polar bears. Christchurch would be too hot for me anyway − it is, after all, a whole new temperature zone being south of Potters Bar.
Richard

Geoff wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?

Thanks for all that John ; a few other people are joining in , Richard Baxter whom you must now since you both live near the North Pole ( from a Christchurch perspective... ( joke of course) , he is a Sheffield OS man, lives at Newark now. And others too, occasionally.

[...]

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Changing to Mac
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:40

I use Adobe Photoshop Elements 9 on my 27" iMac. It handles RAW and levels + many, many other things which I will never touch.

Peter Fowler

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:45

Of course I meant layers not levels.

Peter Fowler

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:55

Have a good time in the Canaries. It only rains there when I go (without exception during 15 occasions! I once found Orchis canariensis on Tenerife on a day when the rain virtually prohibited much photography! I used to run courses for adults with a colleague who was an ecologist. Was interesting to compare the floral progressions on lava flows of different ages.

Have a good time

Cheers
John

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid shows abroad
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:45

Having just bought my 2013 diary and put in all the boring stuff, I am now l
ooking to plan my vacations − meaning not only holidays to exotic locations
(Bognor ? − joke ! ) but also shorter trips, and hopefully one or more Orch
id Shows where i may see new vendors and new orchids.No offence, Peter, Ray,
Sara − but I see you all the time at local shows, Peterboro', London − and m
ostly I know your stock as well as you do.

Earlier this year I spotted a Show some 20 km from Stuttgart (purely by way
of example) and worked out that a taxi to the local hub airport, a couple o
f cheapie flights, and a taxi to the Show would cost me less than a first c
lass rail ticket to Peterboro' .I didn't go for reasons you will understand f
rom what else I have said this year...but I intend/hope/plan to have another
try somewhere this year.

I can find shows from the European Orchid Council site. What i am looking fo
r is experience, advice, which are the good ones ? Dresden yes, what else ? A
ny advice, anyone ?

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:35

Hello John,

Thanks for your comments and the link, very interesting. I have to
say though that I would personally never dream of putting Windows on
my Mac. I think have mentioned that I have a cheapie netbook for the
rare occasions when there isn't a Mac alternative, mainly for
updating the software for a couple of gadgets the suppliers of which
refuse to provide a Mac solution. Although this machine runs Windows
7 and is reasonably robust I don't particularly enjoy using it
whereas the iMac is a joy. It seems wise to keep them separate.

As for expense, if you value your time and factor in that the Mac
'just works' it isn't really that much more.

Regards,

--

Tricia

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:05

Hello Tricia,

I agree with you; if we lived in a perfect world there would be no need to go into the pros and cons of running Windows on an Apple but we don't and it is interesting to be aware of the hazards, hence that ref.
Day by day I learn a little more about Apples and I have certainly reached the stage where I will happily put up with (what seem to me to be) software deficiencies compared with stuff I'm more familiar with. Like you, I find my MacBookPro a delight to use. I can watch telly in the half-light and multitask with my illuminated keyboard while wired up to music. The screen, while not a retina one, is excellent for reviewing photos. There's something very satisfying about the anodised case and the (wireless) touch pad and the four rubbber domes provide enough friction to keep it on my knees. Charge duration (long) means I seldom need to be tethered to 240v and native sound quality (when telly's off) is amazing.

This machine is both technically and artistically designed and not just a box of wire with rounded corners!

Keep 'em separate? Sure, I agree. After all we don't keep kitchen waste in the fridge, do we?

Cheers and thanks for the advice from time to time. I've given up dreaming about Windows too!

John

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:45

It appears that there are no new machines available just now ; the new model will be available i December , by pre-order....
I will pop along to the Southampton Apple Shop before then, and cross the rubicon....

Geoff

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:20

Hi Geoff,

You distinguish between 'new machines' and 'the new model' .I suppose it depends on how important it is to get the newest model; you can certainly get 'new' machines as opposed to 'pre-owned', 'second-hand'. 'used' or whatever your favourites euphemism is at John Lewis's. On the other hand, December isn't that far off (sadly). Incidentally, John Lewis give a longer guarantee without extra charge although I don't know who performs any necessary repairs should they be needed. You may consider Apple care beyond the given 90 days (I haven't).

At least you'll have a Merry Christmas to look forward to. John Lewis's help line would probably be better if you, Tricia or even I were employed by them!

Incidentally, if you can get credible support from some educational organisation you might be able to get 'Educational discount'. (as a retiree I couldn't). No doubt you've already done all this homework but, just in case . . . . . . .
Cheers
John

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Mac and all that... Plus Writhlington
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:50

Have you John, or has anyone else used the iPad app "transfer" ?

I took about 75 pics at Writhlington, using my iPad camera, and before I hav
e got as far as buying my big Mac (iMac) want to copy them to my PC − then I
can process as nevessary , and show a few...

Transfer is the App for that − uses the wifi , ( only costs C2UKP1.99 ) so I
bought, installed, and told it to get on with it. It started.... But three h
ours later had not finished. Something wrong there I think.
I will have another try presently, selecting just a couple, but maybe someon
e can tell me what I did wrong ? There is a help and support section, but my
problem is that I am trying to do too many things all at once ( not the fir
st time for me I am afraid ) − copy stuff and programs to my lap -top which i
am retaining (windows 7) and carry on clearing junk from my study preparato
ry to ornamenting it with my beautiful new baby iMac to mention just two ; a
nd tomorrow ( today since I see it is now 2 am ) I have my Writhlington purc
hases to pot up or rather raft up or tree up − did I mention that my latest c
ultural buzz is to grow things naturally on pieces of trees ?

Geoff
Sent from my iPad

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: My Writhlington pics, and a Mac problem.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:00

I took my pics with my iPad − with the retina HD screen I assume the quality
is going to be OK for e-mail at least, and hopefully more, but this was an e
xperiment.

I have to shift them from the iPad, and there are several theoretical ways, b
ut the easiest seems to be the Transfer App (only C2UKP1.99) which I bought
, installed and started to use. I expected it to be a bit slow, since I ask
ed for highest definition pics to be transferred, and for all 75 pics to be s
ent in one go,and the download name appeared on my PC monitor almost straigh
t away − but the iPad screen kept showing the icons and so forth for continu
ing transfer, from 8 pm when I started, until now- 2am , when i woke and cou
ldn't sleep thinking about it , and came to look. I have stopped it, and wil
l have another go when I have time, but....

Does anyone have any experience with this I wonder ?

Good show wasn't it ? My, haven't schools changed since my day !

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Duplicated and different messages from me...
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:05

Sorry about that : problem in sending, and i thought the first had disappear
ed into cyberspace, so did another version.

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Writhlington pics, and a Mac problem.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:25

Geoff, I wouldn't use WIFI (which you mentioned in the other email)
to transfer photos − too time-consuming! Why not simply connect the
iPad to a USB port on your PC as described in the following links? No
additional software needed.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4083

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-quickly-transfer-images-from-an-ipad-to-a-pc

Looking forward to seeing the photos,

--

Tricia

The hardness of the butter is always proportional to the softness of the bread

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Steve manning and his book
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:30

Can anyone give me an address for Steve ?
My wife is going to buy me a copy of his book − and I did not have time to g
et one at Writhlington.

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Writhlington pics, and a Mac problem.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:00

Tricia
Before I got around to an attempt at answering Geoff's photo-transfer query I saw your response (better than I could have offered).
However, I wonder if there is another possible solution, although, as yet, I haven't tried it;

Would it not be possible to save camera-roll pictures to DropBox (an iPad App)? If so, then they could be selectively transferred to wherever you want them. (Or am I talking utter nonsense − as is so often my language!). However, my son-in-law has sent me images from HK which, I'm pretty sure, were taken on his iPhone and 'sent' via dropbox

Cheers
John
ps; when I've a spare moment − later today − I'll have a go (I wonder if Geoff will remember 'Ave a go with Mabel at the table!)

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Writhlington pics, and a Mac problem.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:05

Thanks for that Tricia. I had tried the USB connection , but the device could not be found as a drive etc. on My computer. I had not thought of looking in iTunes.

The only problem is that I have wasted £1.99. -that is half a cup of coffee in Starbucks !
(Joke)

I will have a go later today, following your suggestion and those instructions.

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

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From: Elater
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Writhlington pics, and a Mac problem.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:25

Geoff,
The fastest and most secure way to transfer multiple files is through the USB power cable, as noted by Tricia. When this is not an option, then I email them to myself.

Paul

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Writhlington pics, and a Mac problem.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:45

Yeah,
Slates are expensive now Geoff.
John

On 29 Oct 2012, at 02:02, Geoff Hands wrote:

> I took my pics with my iPad − with the retina HD screen I assume the
> quality is going to be OK for e-mail at least, and hopefully more,
> but this was an e xperiment.

> I have to shift them from the iPad, and there are several theoretical
> ways, b ut the easiest seems to be the Transfer App (only £1.99)
> which I bought , installed and started to use. I expected it to be a
> bit slow, since I ask ed for highest definition pics to be
> transferred, and for all 75 pics to be s ent in one go,and the
> download name appeared on my PC monitor almost straigh t away − but
> the iPad screen kept showing the icons and so forth for continu ing
> transfer, from 8 pm when I started, until now- 2am , when i woke and
> cou ldn't sleep thinking about it , and came to look. I have stopped
> it, and wil l have another go when I have time, but....

> Does anyone have any experience with this I wonder ?

> Good show wasn't it ? My, haven't schools changed since my day !

> Geoff

> Sent from my iPad --

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Writhlington pics, and a Mac problem.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:40

John,

Yes I did contemplate suggesting DropBox but I as I haven't yet tried
it myself I thought I would stick to something I know Geoff already
has available.

I'm planning to investigate it, and think anyone taking an iPad on
their travels would certainly find it useful.

Tricia

You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive.
On 29 October John Stanley wrote:
> Tricia

> Before I got around to an attempt at answering Geoff's
> photo-transfer query I saw your response (better than I could have
> offered). However, I wonder if there is another possible solution,
> although, as yet, I haven't tried it;

> Would it not be possible to save camera-roll pictures to DropBox
> (an iPad App)? If so, then they could be selectively transferred to
> wherever you want them. (Or am I talking utter nonsense − as is so
> often my language!). However, my son-in-law has sent me images from
> HK which, I'm pretty sure, were taken on his iPhone and 'sent' via
> dropbox

> Cheers
> John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: DropBox
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:20

Hello John and anyone else interested,

I have just signed up to DropBox and opted for the free 250Gb for the
moment. If anyone on the list who hasn't already signed up would like
to do so, please consider going via the following link:

http://db.tt/VSOVCw3W

as this will give both of us an extra 500Gb for free! More space for
our orchid photos...

Speaking of which, I hope to be sending some photos very soon.

| *Note* these figures are wrong! should be 2Gb and 500Mb.
--

Tricia

Evening news is where they begin with 'Good evening', and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.

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From: Tim Fulcher
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] − Warning − mostly about Apple Mac − for Geoff mostly
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:05

Geoff/John,

You can find my comments interpolated below, sorry Tricia, I picked your
email:

On 29 October 2012 12:25, Orchid Talk Digest wrote:

> ORCHID TALK − Digest 2012, Volume 46
> ------------------------------------
>
> [snip]

>
> Tricia Garner wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] changing to Mac ?
>
> Geoff,
>
> I think you will find suitable alternatives for most of your software
> although in some cases it will require you to part with cash!
>
> You can run Windows on the Mac if you must, but it is run under
> virtualization, not an emulator. BootCamp comes with every new Mac
> and it lets you run Windows natively as if your Mac were a PC, with
> no extra cost if you already have Windows Installation CDs. You do
> have to boot directly into Windows or Mac OS X using this system, but
> if you want to run Mac OS X and Windows side by side without having
> to reboot you can purchase Parallels Desktop (approx UKP65) for Mac
> or VMware Fusion (approx UKP40).
>

I'd add Wine to this list for running Windows software on an intel Mac,
although not everything will run. Don't try something as complex as
Photoshop under Wine, but simple executables (.exe) should be fine. It's
not that straightforward to set up though. My choice would be Virtualbox (
https://www.virtualbox.org/) if you've got a Windows disk lying around.

[snip]

>
> Plenty of image handling applications. Aperture, which John S has
> mentioned, should suit although there are others − as you know,
> Photoshop is available for Mac; there are more.
>

Image editing: I believe iPhoto will handle RAW files, but you need
something better if you want to do more than simply crop etc. I'd second
John in recommending Aperture. It does everything you're likely to need to
do to photos and is non-destructive. Don't import the photos into the
library though as one of the issues reported on the web is that this will
slow it down eventually (I can't verify this as I don't use the library to
store the photos.). If you want to do further editing, someone mentioned
Graphic Converter I think, which is a good choice, but there's also the
GIMP, and it's spinoff GIMPshop. However, be prepared for a steep learning
curve as the GIMP does things differently to Photoshop. Whether it's as
good, I can't judge, but it is free.

>
> Anquet Maps is available free for Mac and evidently there is some
> kind of Mac version of SatMap (called something else, of course!).
>
> OrchidWiz is the fly in the ointment unless an iPad version ever
> comes to fruition. I'm not holding my breath.
>

Perhaps try this with Wine, although a simple google search doesn't bode
well:
http://wine.1045685.n5.nabble.com/Bug-24807-New-OrchidWiz-doesn-t-run-td3218492.htmlalthough
it does apparently under Crossover:
http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id,38 but that
requires cash.

[snip]

Anti-virus, I'd suggest ClamXAV (http://www.clamxav.com/) it's small enough
to not be irritating unlike certain mainstream AV programs. We've been
using this at work for over a decade now although we hardly have any macs
left, there's a Linux version available.

I hope this was of some use, others already chimed in
with transferring photos off the iPad − the only other option I'd offer
would be uploading to one of the temporary ftp sites available such as
https://www.yousendit.com/ − it's free up to 2GB. Ideally I'd suggest
plugging a hard drive into your home router and using that for networked
storage.

cheers

Tim

ps interesting to see people moving to the dark-side, or is that the light
side? ;-)

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From: Tim Fulcher
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: More mac stuff − sorry
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:10

Geoff/John,

One more thing that's risen to the top of my mind under the influence
of caffeine, is automator. I'll let you read about it, but it's extremely
useful for resizing images, changing formats etc and can be set up so that
anything added to a particular folder is "acted" upon − for instance if you
drop images into a folder it might run the action to change them from png
/tiff to jpeg. Or resize them for emailing/uploading to the web. I'm sure
it would also do the emailing/uploading too. I use it for automatic backups
and for resizing.

HTH

Tim

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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] DropBox
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:10

Hello Tricia

This sounds like an interesting idea. I had to get Dropbox during the
organising of the last Australian Orchid Council Conference held here in
Perth WA. I must admit I have not used it since then and it is worth a try.

The first link below should give you the Grand Champion at the Singapore
Garden Festival last July. The second gives you it's name. Let me know if it
works.

Tony

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/98130239/090A.jpg

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/98130239/093A.jpg

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] DropBox
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:15

Hi Tony,

Thanks for that illustration of how DropBox can be used − very
informative. That is quite a plant!

--

Tricia

The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Drop box
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:50

I got it via your link Tricia. I will see how it goes for shifting my BOC pi
cs from iPad to PC ,and maybe have a go at editing them, and post a selectio
n.
I did say maybe , I am a bit under the weather since getting back, due to a t
ouch of food poisoning , from a restaurant meal I suspect. But that is usual
ly short lived, so tomorrow I may be back to normal, or of course dead !

Sent from my iPad

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Drop-box
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:15

Being naturally suspicious, i wonder how this service is funded ?

There is no free lunch, so how are we going to pay for it, in ways we may no
t want.

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Drop box − how do they finance it ...
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:55

Now i know.
Far from getting a big volume, and then getting more from the recommendation
, i find i have just 2 gb, and more will cost me....$9.99 per month for the
next tranche, and so on.

Still, lets not look the gift horse in the mouth

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Drop box − how do they finance it ...
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:00

Yes, sorry about that − I evidently suffered an attack of dyslexia of
the fingers when I quoted figures in my original mail. Sigh. But as
you say, lets not look a gift horse in the mouth.

Hope you recover from the food poisoning very soon,

--

Tricia

When you go into court, you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury service.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Drop box − how do they finance it ...
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:25

Geoff, Tricia, anyone interested,
I have been using dropbox as a 'vehicle' for exchanging multiple (20 or so at a time) full-size photo images, diagrams, text articles and so on between UK and HK. I have to admit that my son-in-law instigated the arrangement so we could get over the multiple attachment reduced-file-size problem. I don't us DB as a permanent storage 'box'. Transfer isn't instant for multiple images and because of global clock differences I haven't always noticed the duration of the transfer. When I have, we have been able to ascertain progress on a phone call and, using Geoff's method, we need a long phone call for that! Of course there is also FaceTime (NOT Facebook!) which simultaneously allows free video/speech over the planet.

As I type, it occurs to me that an OrchidTalk dropbox would enable contributors to make full-sized images available but, unlike with emails where can simply leave them in the inbox for a while (or ever in some cases!), dropbox would require sweeping out to avoid someones expense somewhere. I wonder Tricia, would such a facility be possible? Or if so, too onerous for yourself?
John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Drop box − how do they finance it ...
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:50

John, please define 'full-size' photo images.

I know I have a moan every so often about the enormous photo files
which some people send to the list, but have realised that a lot of
photo-viewing programs automagically scale down the view of photos so
that the user has no idea of the true size without checking the
details. My favourite viewer shows them at actual size and mostly
they can't fit on my 24" screen... The email program (with its
built-in mailing list server) that I use for the list has a limit of
20Mb per message and an email with, say, four of these 'full-size'
images will exceed that easily − the whole package tends to be larger
than the sum of its parts. The DropBox idea could be worth
consideration, my main doubt (without wishing to be unkind) being
whether some of the less computer-savvy subscribers would be unhappy
with uploading photos rather than simply attaching them to emails.
This may not be a factor of course.

With regard to photo sizes I was asked recently if I know how to
reduce images in Photoshop and was able to oblige. In case it might
help others have put my little 'tutorial' on the Orchid-Talk website:
http://www.orchid-talk.co.uk/docs/re-size/resize.html − don't know
why I didn't do this earlier instead of nagging! If subscribers find
they can do this it would be less onerous for me than monitoring a
DropBox-type facility.

--

Tricia

Eagles may soar, but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Drop box − how do they finance it ...
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:00

Geoff, I now have received an email to say I have been 'awarded' an
extra 500Mb space thanks to you using the referral link (many
thanks!). It isn't much by today's standards but better than a poke
in the eye with a sharp stick. According to the DropBox website − and
I have checked very carefully − both parties should receive an extra
500Mb, so if yours doesn't appear soon do complain.

--

Tricia

You need to be very careful when drawing up a specification, otherwise you risk getting what you ask for rather than what you want.

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Drop box − how do they finance it ...
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:50

For anyone interested .. I was talking to a professional photographer friend, and asking about the best possible definition, and was advised to try the Nikon D800E which produces 36.2 Megapixel images ...
I could get the top half on one of your 20Mb pages, and the bottom half on the next... providing I had remembered to flatten first !.
.
But I should not worry too much about meeting my needs here I may not be able to get a mortgage to pay for it.
geoff

Tricia Garner wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Drop box − how do they finance it ...

> John, please define 'full-size' photo images.

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phal schilleriana
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:20

Talking of photographs those of you in the OSGB should see the pic of
P.schilleriana at the Tokyo Dome by Henry. A thousand blooms, pretty pink
flowers, attractive leaves and some fragrance. Needs some warmth but I
have never seen it for sale or at a UK show.
Regards, Alex

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From: brian.gould83
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchids in flower
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:05

Waianae King "Kosaki" Pastoral "Innocence" Roth − Maud

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] DropBox
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:10

Yes it works. I guess that is an antelope type which in its parentage − come from PNG .
What a monster !

Geoff

Tony Watkinson wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] DropBox

Hello Tricia

This sounds like an interesting idea. I had to get Dropbox during the
organising of the last Australian Orchid Council Conference held here in
Perth WA. I must admit I have not used it since then and it is worth a try.

The first link below should give you the Grand Champion at the Singapore
Garden Festival last July. The second gives you it's name. Let me know if it
works.

Tony

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/98130239/090A.jpg

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/98130239/093A.jpg

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Drop Box is cleverer than you might think.
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:10

My Society has a magazine published three or four times a year (Top Orchid) – for which I write pieces about this and that.

I wa just asked for some pics to illustrate something I wrote, and not knowing where to look, typed a name in my Windows Start Search box, and it came up with the pic, which I opened – and it turned out to be on a page from my 2003 website. Great. But then I had the difficulty of copying, preferably a larger format version

. It occurred to me to look for a hard copy of the complete web-site file – which might just contain it. I found the disc,but neither my PC ( Windows 7) nor my laptop (Vista) would show me what is on it – but suddenly the screen 'Import Photos to Drop Box” appeared on the PC – I clicked on Yes – and lo and behold there they all are . And right click produces, among other things – send to...

Hallelujah ! Ain’t computers wonderful.

geoff

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