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22—31 August

From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] vanda coerulea
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:05

Whatever you used to send them, the links don t work very well Brian. I can see two different pics full size neither of which corresponds exactly to to the thumbnails shown, although obviously in the same series.

Maybe you could have another try ?


brian.gould wrote re: [OrchidTalk] vanda coerulea

As a cymbidium/cattleya grower I often play with some other plants.This vanda is grown in a mix of rockwool and polystyrene and the photos show this mix is very good.Here are the photos that I want to share with you.
I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 6.0.


From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] vanda coerulea
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:55

I envy and respect anyone who can grow vandas. I achieved one, admittedly huge, root in thirty years with a rothschildiana. Although it flowered well every year it always looked sickly so I threw it out.



From: Peter Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] vanda coerulea
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:25

Hi,the pictures on MICROSOFT OUTLOOK are very clear and I must say this is a
beautiful plant.

The flowers are a bit bunched. Next year move the plant a bit lower in the
growing area so

that the inflorescence is stretching to get closer to the light. This advice
I got from

Robert Fuchs.(The expert in growing Vandas)

Peter from Bloubergstrand


From: brian.gould83
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Vanda Coerulea
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:45

To All
Although this vanda is still opening up I have given this plant to the wessex orchid society for display at the BOGA show this weekend at Dinton Pastures.The flowers are a bit bunched but the vanda has had to adapt to a different growing regime than that of an air plant.I have had this plant now for about 15months so I do not know how old it is but I would think it must be 5yrs+.Only 1 spike this year with 15+ flowers but quite beautiful in my eyes and this plant can only get better and could be quite stunning in years to come.


From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: An update on me, and a few pics
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:35

It has not been a good year for me so far ; my wife has been unable to
do anything in the house, or indeed out of the house, for a couple of
months now, since her operation, successful though it was. She gets
tired very quickly indeed. So I have been butler, maid, cook ,
laundress, bottlewasher and everything else; I don't know how
people living alone can possibly manage – perhaps at my age they
can't, or not in a house this size. Whatever. Then I lost the
sight of one eye 4 months ago, and have had a series of operations (
three in all) to restore it - again successful - probably , although the
jury is still out . At least I can see with both eyes now.

But there has not been much time or energy available for the orchids,
and on occasions the neglect has been enough to make me nearly weep
– we were in hospital from 7am one day which turned out to be
the hottest day of the year, and when I looked at the greenhouse
thermometer when home late in the day, it stood at 42 degrees. I lost
all Vanda spikes, in fact I lost almost all spikes , burnt the leaves of
a lot of things – have so far thrown away 20 or thirty plants,
and many more have suffered set-backs. Several years of good growing
gone up metaphorically , if not literally, in smoke.

So every flower now is a double bonus. Here's a few which I
snapped tonight – the first time I have felt like doing this at
all for some time.

1.Paph dianthum ; a seedling flowering for the first time. The second
plant with the same name tag, likewise a first flowering seedling is
just opening its flowers, and looks like P.primulinum ssp purpuratum !
True to name ? As My Fair Lady said – Not bloody likely !

2. Oncidium tipuloides. I have been collecting Oncidiums . There are
thousands of them ( very slight exaggeration, no more ) which are all
worth growing but no-one grows them . Such intricate flowers, and all
those crests on the lip – serving to let in the desired
pollinator and exclude others, I suppose. Wonderful.

3. Cattleya Sandra Turner. I do like these waxy petalled multi-flowered
jobs, even if the flowers are small by Cattleya standards.

4. Dendrobium delacourii. I have had the pleasure – and
privilege – of seeing these in the wild, growing in a burnt out
area of forest , where they grew opportunistically on everything.
Epiphytically on live trees, on dead trees, terrestrially,
lithophytically, and even as an epiphyte growing on an epiphyte ( a
stags head fern. I had to try it ; but the super little plant I imported
did not thrive, whatever I did it seemed – I thought to junk it,
then gave it one last chance, planting the thing, mount and all in
Perlite, topping off with grit, and hanging up, to be sprayed with the
Vandas. And here it is , now once more with 4 or so growths, and
thriving. Quite a joy this is .

5.Vandofinertia Twinkle, 'Gingerbread Man' . Small for
the genus – smaller even than the Neofinetia parent, but maybe
it's had a horrid year too. Still it looks happy , so I
won't bad-mouth it.

An update on me, and a few pics


From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: An update on me, and a few pics
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:55

Geoff, so sorry to read about all your trials and tribulations -
fingers crossed that the tide has turned.

Nice pictures; I particularly like the Dendrobium delacourii. Good
that you have some flowers. Hopefully we won't have any more real
scorchers this year as I can't cope with extreme heat either!

Best wishes to you both,



The hardness of the butter is always proportional to the softness of the bread


From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Some of my latest pics.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:35

Some of my latest pics.

For those who know of my travails and are interested in my welfare, I
have had three operations on one eye this Spring/Summer , and finally as
the swelling and perhaps even bruising from the operation procedures
goes down and the eye settle down with the implant , my sight is vastly
improved ; it is still rather a strain to actually use my eyes very
much, mainly because my eyes are 'out of balance' and
strong light is painful, – but they promise ( or should that be
threaten ? ) an operation on the other eye 'soon' to
bring them into balance, and I am expected then to need specs on;y for
reading etc, and not at all otherwise. Remarkable , since I have worn
specs now for 70 years !
My wife had a very successful hip operation , so now she is expected to
ring bells in the security section when we pass through the checks at an
airport ( an all titanium hip joint ) – so we are becoming quite
a bionic pair.

Now to some orchids in flower this month:

1,2 Gastrochilus japonicus ; smaller in all parts than any other
Gastro' I have flowered so far, but certainly equal in charm to
any. The object with most orchids is to grow a bigger plant with lots
more flowers – the only Gastro' where I have really
succeeded in growing a really big one. carrying 8 or 9 spikes at once,
was rather a disappointment, since the flowers were too crowded. So
I'll be happy with ones this size – this has two spikes
on a first flowering.

3-4 . Bulbo guttulatum. Was a Cirrho' when I first grew it 50
years ago , but the genus was re-organised , so that only the daisy like
flowers with the two lateral petals joined together remained in the
genus, and those with separate and distinct petals ( or do I mean sepals
? ) became Bulbos. Flowers seem to be brighter than usual this year -
definitely a deeper colour in the lip. I like it..

5. Masdevallia Urubamba . A primary between veitchii and ayacabana, and
from the other side of the show bench , I doubt if you could know which
was which .

6. Paph Honey a disappointing example of this cross ; I have seen much
better – one of the parents is P. phillipinensis , with very
long petals, which sometimes comes through, but not here – and
the whole flask, 25 plants were al like this.You win some ( really ?
that would be nice ! ) you lose some ( much more often ! )

7. Paph dianthum . First flwering on this one. Should do much better on
a maturer plant.

8. Oncidium tipuloides . I have been collecting obscurer Oncids, most of
which seem to be worth growing, eve if they are many flowered, yellow,
and generally indistinguishable.

9. Cattleya Sandra Turner . A nice example of that class of cattleyas
known to the scientific community s 'spotties'. (joke)

10. Dendrobium delacourii . I almost gave up on this plant. It is a
species I have seen in the wild, and wanted to grow myself, and my fine
mounted example with multigrowths and lots of spikes seemed a good
start, but it languished and dwindled away, whatever I did.. I was on
the point of junking it, but gave it a last chance, half burying the
mount ( soft tree fern) in Perlite, and topping with grit, then hung it
up with the Vandas, to get sprayed pretty often. Now it has three strong
new growths and several spikes. Resuscitated !

11. Vandofinetia Twinkle. The smallest of the Neofinetia hybrids
– but then the other parent is Asctm miniatum which is quite

12-13-14 Vfta Lou Sneary ' Tokyo' ( or maybe
'Singapore' A much larger and finer hybrid this one ;
the second parent being Rhynco coelestis, so that the hybrid could be
bluish, or pinkish – since different coloured versions of the
Rhynco exist. Maybe this one was bred from n alba version.

15.-16 Vanda Rasri x Paraphalaenopsis Boedardio . The first time I have
successfully kept alive or flowered anything with Paraphalaenopsis on
the label. I thought it a disappointment, but transatlantic friends were
very enthusiastic about it. They think it has great potential –
which of course demands that I not only keep it alive but actually grow
it bigger. Rather a big if, that one.



From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some of my latest pics.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:35

Great pictures Geoff. Sorry to hear about your eye problems. My mother has injections in one eye, but she is 92, 93 on Nov. 4th.
I see you use png format with your photos. Any reason for this? I now take my photographs using RAW/jpg. Any difference between jpg and jpeg?
Happy Growing

Peter F. ,Alton

P. s. I have to have a total knee replacement. I am sure some of our members have had them done. Any tales? Or general info.


From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paphiopedilum sp. off-shoots
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:40

One for Geoff I think. I think it is armeniacum, which had a single flower, last year. It now has produced 3 off-shoots, plants on the ended of a rhizome. What shall I do with it, as the main plant is dying back. Shall I cut off the 3off-shoots and pot them up, but they don't have roots at the moment. Advice please.
Thank you.
Peter. F., Alton


From: kenneth@akerne-orchids.com
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum sp. off-shoots
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:55

Hello Peter,

No, do not cut them off, 1 yellowing leaf does not mean the main growth is
dying (well not just yet anyway)!

kind regards,


From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some of my latest pics.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:05

The png file is produced by the Windows mail system, automatically, and without me having to do anything : in fact I had not even realised it was in that format.
Raw is not a standard . There are as many different Raw forms as there are models of cameras using it. The advantage as I am sure you know is that you get to set the actual colour, contrast, sharpness etc, to what you want, instead of accepting a set version decided by the camera manufacturer. Almost all other forms of file use some compression ( ditching information from the original file, to save file volume). I always shoot in Raw, but convert to jpg for practical reasons. Many on-line groups,photo-clubs etc., demand it.
Yes, jpg and Jpeg. are the same thing and are a universal standard. The letters are an acronym for Japanese Photographic Engineering (Standards) Group, by the way.



Sent from my iPad

On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:35, Peter Fowler wrote:

> Great pictures Geoff.
> I see you use png format with your photos. Any reason for this? I
> now take my photographs using RAW/jpg. Any difference between jpg
> and jpeg?


From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum sp. off-shoots
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:10

P.armeniacum is the only species to produce long rhizome off shoots. I would allow the pot to remain until the new growths have rooted. Anything else almost certainly means total loss.


Sent from my iPad


From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: New business website.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:35


I hope this message is allowed in the forum, as it is a bit of free advertising for me.

I have not been around for a long time, as I have been trying to get a little orchid business up and running.

I have created a website, as the business will be run as an 'e-shop' type of business. I have decided to call it Phalaenopsis and More (for reasons that will become obvious once you have a look at the website).

Anyway, I would like you all to have a look and maybe give me some feedback on the ease of use, the overall look of the website, any spelling errors or wrong information you spot, any changes you would make or features you think are missing... Well, you get my drift, right?

The website is http://www.phalaenopsisandmore.co.uk/ and it is already live, although it is still very much a work in progress for me.

Hope you all like it,



From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] New business website.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:25

Sounds good and I will take a look. Dont give up the day job though Francis!
Regards, Alex


From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] New business website.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:55

I wish you the best of luck Francis ; I don t expect you will see me among your customers, and you will understand why; actually, my collection has changed in major ways , over the years . Twice , or maybe even three times in my 50 years plus of orchid growing, I have had Cymbidium collections for example − now I am starting to collect Cym. species, which is another thing altogether. I have been growing dinner plate Vandas for 20 years, but getting a bit tired of them, and so on. I am now on my second Masdevallia collection − 30 species and hybrids so far, only another few hundred to go (joke) . Maybe when seriously into my dotage ( I utterly deny that I am there already) I may go back to phallies .
What a wonderful world is that of the orchid lover always new worlds to conquer, old worlds to revisit !



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