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June 8—14

From: theta
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] SilverFast Software
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:20

Peter,

The Epson V750 Pro scanner I bought many years ago came with the
SilverFast software bundled in. At that time, I felt that the Epson Scan
software was suitable. As I also use Lightroom 4, I feel the same due to
Lightroom's easy and quick adjustments to a single photo or a group of
photos. I have been going through thousands of old films to convert them
to digital format and continue to use the Epson Scan for the scanning,
followed by Lightroom to correct the color and make other adjustments.
In that regard, the SE 8 version of SilverFast is commensurate with the
Epson Scan. Only the Ai Studio 8 version could persuade me to convert
but, alas, my budget does not permit it at this time. Cheers!
-mark-

On 6/6/12 4:33 AM, Peter Fowler wrote:
> I think Geoff might be able to help me out on this question but if anyone el
> se can help then it would be much appreciated.
> Does any member know about SilverFast imaging software. It is a German compa
> ny that sells it
> And you can calibrate your scanner using an IT8 multicolour card. It only wo
> rks on the higher scanners on the market, which I have. You can also buy ver
> sions for cameras and printers.
> The software is not cheap.
> Thank you.
>
> Peter Fowler
>
> Ps. I have my first flower spike on my variegated leaf Neofinetia . It is on
> ly a small one.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:50

Having read snippets and queries about a few photo matters including RAW files, Silverfast scanner software and macro lens issues, it might just be that I can make a useful comment or two.
First; someone was talking about macro lenses and their high cost. Cheap add-ons that screw to the front of your 50mm lens are often not very good but there is a variable lens called a Varioprox (mine dates from the eighties) which I have seen advertised send hand. I have used it with a Nikon 18-55mm lens that came with my D5000 (a pretty basic 'beginners' DSLR'.. Certainly worth looking into.

Second; Silverfast scanner software seems to be available both for PC and Mac but I can't find pricing details.

Third; RAW files;- Like many, I have never had the patience to play with them until recently, when I jumped ship from a PC to a Mac (the best thing I ever did)The difference from jpg is astonishing and the range from which adjustments can be made is certainly (in my view) worth a 'go'. This is especially so for files where the variables range beyond what can be captured from a jpg. The only snag is the much greater file size and the fact that that (with my Nikon at least) taking RAW images means taking RAW and jpg at a shot. For action shots , seldom a problem with orchids, the extended time transferring the data to the memory chip doesn't matter.

I wonder if any other members of the group are AppleMac converts. If so, I guess they'll have discovered Aperture software.

Incidentally, I saw a mention of ring-flash equipment somewhere; Has anyone played with simple LED torches for a contingency substitute when the shadow of the lens is in the way of natural light for a macro image? They seem to be very near daylight even though, when a torch is usually need, they seem very blue (but, then, so did daylight with the old tungsten balanced film)
I'll go back to sleep now!
Cheers
John

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:30

John Stanley said −
I wonder if any other members of the group are AppleMac converts.

Having bought an i-pad , because I wanted one, rather than because I needed one − with a PC and three lap-tops operational in the house ! − I am very very nearly at the point of throwing them all away. or at least making a journey or three to the loft , and buying a mac, or maybe just another i-pad. Only one thing stands in the way , which is that Orchid-wiz , software I use several times a week is not available in Mac format. Yes, I have heard that Mac can run as a PC , but that defeats the whole ethos of Apple ; keep it simple . I want to switch on , click and use ; not go into a whole world of geekdom first..

That is what is so fantastic about the i-pad. I read The Times, do the crossword, check my e-mail, browse for further supplies, transfer money into my grand-daughters bank account, look at her latest piccies , even Skype her and use the two in-built cameras ;turn on the telly and choose the programme etc. ( OK, that one did involve some engineers setting up the domestic in-house tv/radio/bluray/music system, when we updated to HD and put all our music CDs onto the hard-drive using i-tunes , more journeys to the loft getting rid of the CDs ! ending up with a control app. on the i-pad, and no remote controls needed for any of the kit − that alone saves temper and time every day) .
With the i-pad I never g to a helpline . Never wait half an hour whilst 25 updates are downloaded and installed, never get 'oops , 2 important downloads did not install, would I like to spend several hours on a Windows web-site finding out why ? ' Just what sort of a cock-up does Windows run that they sell me an operating system and it needs 25 patches every day for years and years until the next edition comes out ? We would not tolerate that with our domestic refrigerator, our bicycle, our motor car... we only do with Windows because the alternatives seemed as bad , until you try them.

Yes, I am a convert !

Free financial advice ; if you have Microsoft shares, sell them....it's doomed.

Geoff..

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:30

Hi Geoff and any interested,
You mention the iPad iPad3?). I recently bought an iPad3 because I couldn't get a turn on my wife's iPad1!
There's been much hype about the hi-res screen but, in fact it is a revelation. Like you, we subscribe to the Times and the Grauniad and i agree entirely with your views. The only snag is that it can't perform the tasks we often use a PC of . . . . . . yet!.
But back to macro; I regarded the iPad camera as a toy I didn't really need until I used it for copying relevant bits of maps It is amazing the fine detail it will see. I haven't used it in anger on small plants etc., but I'm sure its worth exploring. When you get over the embarrassment of using it in public for macro work I guess it'll be fine. You can also do some primitive editing on it.
I really jumped ship to a 27" iMac with a screen larger than our telly. Its resolution is higher than HDMI and performs miracles on my early twisty Coolpix 900l camera shots and even with stills from a Panasonic digital video camera of 1998 vintage.. What you don't mention is the fact that the Mac isn't so plagued with malware, adware and viruses like the Windows PC and there seems (seems ?) no need for virus checkers.

What is really nice is that I don't need to make an appointment with it before it 'll boot up. Press the button and it's on where I left off.
All I now want is an elixir of life App.but I can't find one anywhere. Maybe this is one!

Sorry to hear you've been/are having eye problems but glad you're still finding enough keys to contribute here. It seems an awful long time since you did a turn at CANWOS.
All the best
John

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:25

Hello John,

Previously Macs were not subject to viruses/trojans etc but I had a warning last month from my security company 'F-Secure' about Mac computers becoming infected with malware. See www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17623422

John Stanley wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)

...What you don't mention is the fact that the Mac isn't so plagued with malware, adware and viruses like the Windows PC and there seems (seems ?) no need for virus checkers.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:15

Hi John,

I'm glad you are enjoying your Apple experiences :-) When the iPad
first came on the market I thought it was nothing more than an
overgrown iPod Touch − bearing in mind I am almost surgically
attached to my iPod Touch − and that I would have no use for one.
Then a friend lent me an iPad. What a revelation! I bought myself an
iPad2 for my birthday last year and am constantly finding uses for
it, including a small presentation at NHOS.

With regard to malware I do use Sophos on the iMac, mainly so that I
don't inadvertently pass on infected files I might receive. I prefer
to say that Macs are not affected by malware aimed at Windows, and in
the ten years I have been a Mac-aholic I have been aware of the grand
total of two instances of malware specifically directed at Mac OS.
Unfortunately now that Apple is more mainstream there will be more,
but conversely anti-malware is much more sophisticated than it used
to be, so as long as users are sensible it shouldn't be the cause of
too much alarm.

I love your comment about not having to make an appointment with your
Mac before it will boot up, particularly as I find the re-furbished
netbook I acquired recently to take an age to be ready to do anything
useful. To be fair I'm still learning how to make the best of it so
hopefully I can get it to be a bit slicker, but I'm not holding my
breath!

TTFN,

--

Tricia

How is it possible to have a civil war?

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From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:15

I am really enjoying and benefiting from all the Mac talk − I am already an
avid RAW convert.
I am still a WINDOWS person, but moving around the browsers after having
found WIN Internet Explorer lacking on several occasions. Don't like Chrome,
but Firefox is the latest favourite.
My PC is now 5 years old and serving me well, but I keep my eyes on comments
about alternatives in the knowledge that I shall need to replace it sooner
or later. I am not a tech addict, so shall probably wait until needs must.
Our house is far too old to enable WiFi through extremely thick walls (even
have problems with telephone handsets) so must retain Web-by-wire.
The important fact is that having read comments on many specialised fora, I
have not yet found anyone who would go back from Apple.
Every comment for or against is such valuable input towards making the
decision quickly when the time comes.
Interesting too, how much IT influences the orchid hobby.
Richard

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:25

It occurs to me that the one I don't mention , in list of uses of the i-pad , is reading my Kindle. Amazingly they all sync together through the cloud , and without me ever doing anything. So I leave the i-pad at home for my wife to control the telly and watch the cricket/tennis ( raining everywhere, it turned out) and go off to the hospital expecting a half hour wait for my appointment, and take my Kindle with me. I open it up, and it finds the book I was reading on the i-pad, and opens it at the page I last read... astonishing !. Later, in the small hours, I am wakeful, so reach for my ipad, open it with the Kindle app. and it opens my book at the page I read last on the actual Kindle device , but its better than Kindle, because the page is back-lit on the i-pad so that I can read without putting a light on, and searching in my bedside cabinet for the accessory reading light which is available for the Kindle.

However , an appeal , will all readers who have Orchid-wiz, join me in e-mailing Alex and saying you really do have to make an Apple version... I have gone so far as to say that with the greatest regret, I do not think that I shall be renewing my subscription if it remains Windows only. Or maybe someone can devise an App which does whatever conversion is needful ?

Geoff

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:00

Hi Tricia,
Thanks for making the point about not spreading malware to other's machines even one's own is (apparently) safe.
There was a scare a month or so back and I recall Apple actually admitting so before they fixed it. Must check out Sophos . . thanks.
(are you trying to tell us all that you have a memory bank as old as That Man . . it's being so cheerful as keeps us goin!)
Cheers
John

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:40

Hi Richard,
You have eased my conscience a little because I was thinking I might be overdoing the computer chat! However, by necessity, all who subscribe to this forum must use a computer and the function(s) of them require that we develop awareness of their idiosyncrasies.
I have to say that it has taken me a month or two to get out of my PC keyboard reflexes and into the way a Mac "thinks" . It is decidedly different from the PC.

As a geriatric from the days of the 48K Apple][ who went to an IBM Microsoft PCs as a professional necessity now to return, I wouldn't go away from Apple again.
What I appreciate is the sheer design philosophy of their products and the way they integrate. That they are 'expensive' is a bit of a myth; like any physical product they can fail but my last PC laptop ((just a year old) has already lost two USB sockets and has a temperamental third one. Also, I don't find software (that I need) especially expensive (iPhoto comes with the machine and Aperture is very reasonable compared wit Photoshop) Also, there is an increasing range of (serious) Apps.
I suppose we all tend to see the advantages of an item we've spent money on but I am comforted by the complimentary comments on the various qualities of Apple products we have acquired..
As for not being a tech addict, my grandchildren were taking digital photos at 3 years old and are more skilled with a mobile phone than I'll ever be. Once we acquire a skill we forget the expertise we once didn't have.
Going back to your references to "Mac Talk", I still wonder if we're trespassing into orchid specialisation. I am no expert on Macs-v-PCs but if members, like yourself, value Maconversations, I am happy to take part 'privately' outside Orchid Talk. I have already discovered that the blind leading the blind can often reveal a chink or two of light!
A good job my wife looks after the orchids; I'm forgetting what they look like.

Cheers
John

I suppose we do all know (?) that moving the letters IBM back, respectively, to their antecedents yields HAL . . . . remember HAL? . . . I wonder if that really was deliberate?

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:50

Hi to all....................I have just ordered a 27' iMac. I should have done it years ago. I know of quite a few people who have changed to Mac's and all say, best thing they have ever done. No more Blue screens
and masses of updates from Windows. And no more box, just a screen ,keyboard and mouse. Ok at £1300 ish it is not cheap but Apple products are very well made and turned out. My iPad"2 goes to bed with me.
What a horrible wet day.
Peter F.

John Stanley said −
I wonder if any other members of the group are AppleMac converts.

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: just to get us back on track...
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:05

just to get us back on track...
https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid66cc6b7e29550ebd&pagebrowse
&resid66CC6B7E29550EBD!501&type5&authkey!AE8j69heTQo3CCs&Bsrc
Photomail&BpubSDX.Photos
Odontoglossum ( Rossioglossum) Rawdon Jester.
Eight flowers and one bud, 15cm - almost six inches - natural spread.
Almost as good as it gets , but since the plant was repotted a little
late in the natural cycle, maybe it could do better next time. I note
that most of the awarded ones ( in USA) have had 8 or 9 flowers, rarely
more, but usually an extra cm or even inch on the natural spread.

The flower is basically the same as one of the parents - R.grande,
which way back used to be sold as a beginners cool house orchid under
the name Odontoglossum grande. In fact at first, many people refused to
accept that it is a hybrid. But the species always flowers ( unless you
get the culture wrong) immediately after completing the growth ; the
hybrid sometimes flowers before starting the new growth in the spring.

Bred byDavid Stead,( is he still around ? he has been waiting for a
VISA for Australia for years now, and privately I wonder if he will ever
get one . Bred of course at Mansell & Hatcher - the old, long gone
nursery in the north of England ( near the city of Leeds, in the old
village of Rawdon) some time in the late 70's. At hat time I was a
regular visitor , getting my compost supplies from them – when
the M6 was first constructed, and before the days of speed limits, it
was a mere couple of hours from where I lived near Birmingham, and that
allowed for getting lost in Bradford every time, too . I recall being
shown the seedlings and wondering whether it truly was a hybrid at that
stage. I did have a compot then, but those original plants have gone the
way of all flesh - after all I have moved house half a dozen
times,inevitably with a lot of changes in the collection , deliberately
or otherwise - and this present plant is one I only bought a year or two
ago.

Jester, by the way, because R.grande is called "the clown orchid"
– ( you can't all be like my grandma can you ? –
and anyway, personally I don't actually know how to suck eggs !
) . Me – I can't actually "see" the figure of a
circus clown in the middle of the flower. My imagination does not work
that way -maybe I am too literal.

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:35

Hi John and other interested parties (if you are fed up with Mac talk
please hit the delete key now).

As long as most subscribers are willing to tolerate Maconversations I
see no reason to stop, but it wouldn't be a problem to create a
sub-group for us Mac orchidists to exchange info on our favourite OS.
You are so right about those chinks of light!

What is the general consensus − would people be happier if we took
our Mac Chat to a sub-list?

--

Tricia

Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:45

Hi John,

I have just had a birthday but no, I'm not quite that old yet!

Still not sure that Sophos is really necessary but better to have
some anti-malware I suppose.

On 10 June John Stanley wrote:
> Hi Tricia,

> Thanks for making the point about not spreading malware to other's
> machines even one's own is (apparently) safe.

> There was a scare a month or so back and I recall Apple actually
> admitting so before they fixed it. Must check out Sophos . .
> thanks. (are you trying to tell us all that you have a memory bank
> as old as That Man . . it's being so cheerful as keeps us goin!)

--

Tricia

You need to be very careful when drawing up a specification, otherwise you risk getting what you ask for rather than what you want.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:05

Geoff, I have been meaning to ask what is the difference between
WildCatt and OrchidWiz, although recent research suggests Wildcatt
hasn't been updated since 2002... is this the case?

Although to my mind OrchidWiz is frightfully expensive I would
probably be tempted if there was a Mac version, so you could count me
in.

On 10 June Geoff wrote:

[Snip iPad eulogy, with which I totally concur!...]

> However " an appeal " will all readers who have Orchid-wiz, join me
> in e-mailing Alex and saying you really do have to make an Apple
> version... I have gone so far as to say that with the greatest
> regret, I do not think that I shall be renewing my subscription if
> it remains Windows only. Or maybe someone can devise an App which
> does whatever conversion is needful ?

--

Tricia

"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." --- Hubert H. Humphrey.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:15

I think you are right, but actually having tried Orchidwiz I did not even dream of going back to Wildcatt. Orchidwiz has all the species as well as the hybrids, and has all the pics too. Commonly you find a dozen images of a hybrid − different clones or different awards . All the details too − how many flowers, their dimensions etc. links to habitat info, cultural info, etc.etc. genealogy, pie charts, parentage trees. Spaces to add and store your records too. And I don't think I use more than a fraction of its potential.
If you are serious about orchids then you really, really ought to have a look at this.

Geoff.

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Jun 2012, at 17:05, Tricia Garner wrote:

> Geoff, I have been meaning to ask what is the difference between
> WildCatt and OrchidWiz, although recent research suggests Wildcatt
> hasn't been updated since 2002... is this the case?

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobiums
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:50

I have been very pleased with my D. nobile and hybrids this year, 2-3
spikes and 8 trusses of flowers on the best until reading the OSGB mag.
and the Orchid Review. The photos of Writhlington school's plant is
amazing, a dozen or more flowering canes and then when you look at the
Tokyo Dome winner it is just flabbergasting. A couple of spikes and 8
trusses is just a joke to them. I wonder how they can keep the plants
producing multiple stems like that.

BTW listers, please dont email me about Orchids-Wiz, I use an iMac G5 but
couldnt translate Orchid-Wiz.

Regards, Alex

PS joking about Orchid-Wiz

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: orchidwiz and apple...
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:05

Here’s what I was told by Orchidwiz today...I will have to put my ice-bag on and do some browsing to see if i can do this on the i-pad – if I can then Hurrah !

We are planning to create a tablet version of OrchidWiz.
OrchidWiz doesn’t run natively on the Mac, A virtual PC is required. Some Macs come with a virtual PC installed and only require Windows and the additional applications to be installed. Other macs require that you purchase a program such as parallels or Fusion. Both of these programs are available at amazon and can be purchased with windows as a package. We have quite a few customers that run OrchidWiz from their Macs using Parallels or Fusion.

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: orchidwiz and apple...
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:25

Well, if by tablet they mean iPad then yes, hurrah − but if they mean
something running Android or whatever then we are no further forward.

I find it quite annoying they blithely expect us to put Windows on
our Apple machines, and the tone of their reply is rather
patronising. I'm puzzled as to which Macs 'come with a virtual PC
installed' − certainly not new ones − unless they mean BootCamp, a
multi boot utility (not a virtual PC) which allows users to install
and boot into Windows OS. This has was first included with Leopard
and has been included with subsequent versions of OS X ever since,
although the latest one only supports installation of Windows 7.
Point being you still have to buy Windows. The dual boot system is
less popular among users than Parallels or Fusion but again it
requires purchasing one or the other and Amazon might be cheaper than
other vendors but even they don't exactly give them away! One way or
another it makes OrchidWiz a very expensive prospect.

For Alex − I can't take the name OrchidWiz seriously either...
clearly it doesn't have the same connotations across the pond that it
does here!

--

Tricia

Do wizards use spell-checkers?

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] orchidwiz and apple...
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:25

Hi Folks,
Dare I admit that I have never 'got into' Orchidwiz because I, long ago, developed a fondness for Jay Pfahl's Orchid Encyclopedia.
I suspect the former is a hybrid-orientated site while Pfah's is a species-orientated one? Am I correct in my assumptions or is there some other intellectual stimulus I'd get from a (rather expensive) subscription to it?

Of course,I have no objection to artificial hybrids but I can't get the satisfaction from plants that have been created artificially, albeit often very skilfully. Natural hybrids are different but, even some of those are are not positively natural.

As a geologist with some perception of time and evolution (although mainly with animals rather than plants), I find the evolution of orchids more interesting than the obsession with 'perfection' for judging. Then, it takes all sorts . . . etc.
I suppose we humans are peculiarly competitive and that probably drives us into the judges dens!

There is also the matter of what constitutes 'beauty'. Friends at CANWOS generally seem not to comprehend the 'beauty' of the diversity produced by the evolutionary process and the resulting hidden characters of these plants.

At the risk of someone confirming it, I suspect that maybe I'm just odd (or ignorant of a site I should familiarise myself with)!

John

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:45

Peter,
Good luck with the iMac 27". But "not cheap" you say; I paid a lot more than that for a 48K Apple][ in 1979 or 1980 ! Virtually all computers are dirt cheap nowadays. What's more important is value for money and you'll be getting that..
Just one snag with it though; it might be a bit biggish for going to bed with.
John

On 11 Jun 2012, at 09:53, Peter Fowler wrote:

> Hi to all....................I have just ordered a 27' iMac. I should have done it years ago. I know of quite a few people who have changed to Mac's and all say, best thing they have ever done.

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:10

Hi all,

I don't mind the Mac talk.

cheers,
Esther

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:20

Hi Tricia and interested others,
First let say how relieved I am that there seem to be no audible groans and, as implied, the 'delete' button is a wonderful invention! I have been thinking (I do that now and again); usually, these computer conversations arise from non-computer issues such as a reference to a program (OrchidWiz) or technique (getting the colour correct), a photographic issue or an info source and imperceptibly split off a purely orchid thread. So long as a separate sub-group doesn't unintentionally exclude anyone there's no problem but the delete button works fine. I suppose that, if we prefixed the subject title with, say, "Computing Matters-" or just "Comp-", deletion would not involve actually reading it but neither would 'fence-sitters' be excluded. Anyway, a survey might result in a normal curve with 'for' and 'against' tails and a lump of 'don't know/care' in the middle. What is the average of 'yes' plus 'no'?

I hope those of you living in the wetlands are coping with your hydroponic world. Commiserations; our thoughts are with you . . . until our turn comes.
Best wishes
John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mac-Chat − was RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:10

Hi John,

Good idea − as you will see I have amended the subject line. The
sub-group ploy can go on to the back-burner for now.

To follow on from the comments that Macs are not cheap, it's true
that an entry-level Mac is more expensive than entry-level PC but of
course the entry level Mac will have a much higher specification,
something which the casual observer will not realise. If you compare
machines of similar specification the price difference is not so
great. And yes, I know I am preaching to the converted in many cases,
but it might give those who are contemplating a change something to
think about :-)

--

Tricia

If you're born again, do you have two bellybuttons?

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From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] orchidwiz and apple...
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:15

I know that many orchidists swear by OrchidWiz, but I still will not touch
that product. The AOS are still in litigation with OrchidWiz about huge
chunks of data "lifted" from their AQPLUS system without licence. Maybe I am
stupid to ignore such a resource but I am afraid that, for me, using a
system based upon spuriously acquired data is just not acceptable.
For my simple needs, at least, other sites give me all I need.
Richard

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:20

My understanding of the super dendrobes you see is that they put canes from a number of different plants all together in one pot. This was certainly true at the WOC in Glasgow where there was a big display of Yamamoto plants, which created a sensation. Plants had been grown individually, brought into near flowering, then taken out of their pots, all the old canes cut off, and then they were put together. I actually had the procedure explained to me by one of the exhibitors.
I have not seen the Writhlington plant don t get the OSGB journal nowadays.
And I regret that I am cynical enough to ask whether anyone ever keeps any specimen plant with masses of flowering growths in such condition for year after year.
All, and I do mean all, of the ones I have ever known about have been one off, or alternatively produced by putting lots of separate plants together.

Regards

geoff

Alex wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums

I have been very pleased with my D. nobile and hybrids this year, 2-3
spikes and 8 trusses of flowers on the best until reading the OSGB mag.
and the Orchid Review. The photos of Writhlington school's plant is
amazing, a dozen or more flowering canes and then when you look at the
Tokyo Dome winner it is just flabbergasting. A couple of spikes and 8
trusses is just a joke to them. I wonder how they can keep the plants
producing multiple stems like that.

BTW listers, please dont email me about Orchids-Wiz, I use an iMac G5 but
couldnt translate Orchid-Wiz.

Regards, Alex

PS joking about Orchid-Wiz

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From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:25

Sounds exciting, Peter...............progress report awaited with interest.
The thing about Towers is that they are very maintainable physically in case of broken parts. With Apple's reputation that should not be a problem with the single unit, whereas laptops are afflicted by inability to replace bits easily. In to-days world one would probably not want to replace bits anyway because technology moves forward so fast that replacement would be the best route anyway. I have looked before at the model you have ordered, and it is currently top of my list for when the time comes.
I do not have or need for a laptop (WiFi in my house is a no-no), but several people have suggested that I start some talks, but modern digital projectors need portable digital input. Having not identified any way of converting my digital images backwards to transparencies I have identified a couple of Epson projectors which accept memory sticks. Thus, from my desktop I should be able to create presentations, dump to a stick then plug into the projector without a laptop. That route would help to keep outlay to a minimum.

Richard

Peter Fowler wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] RAW Files, (and other recent photo issues)

Hi to all....................I have just ordered a 27' iMac. I should
have done it years ago. I know of quite a few people who have
changed to Mac's and all say, best thing they have ever done. No
more Blue screens and masses of updates from Windows. And no more
box, just a screen ,keyboard and mouse. Ok at £1300 ish it is not
cheap but Apple products are very well made and turned out. My
iPad"2 goes to bed with me.

What a horrible wet day.
Peter F.

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Mac chat
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:15

I have had four Macs starting with the Apple 11e and amidst the Mac
Euphoria would mention that Apple do seem to go in for planned
obsolescence. As an example my wife's IMac G5 with the PowerPC chip
(all the rage at the time) in 2006 does not support backup programs
anymore. Also I cannot watch SpringWatch video as the latest Adobe
Flashplayer doesnt work on it. I have found an archived version but after
downloading it will not install. Also you may be isolated somewhat as
Word documents, and I think spreadsheets can't be read. You can get
translators, I use Open Office, free and in the public domain but it is
one more learning curve. One virtue of Windows was that as it was so
dominant it was universal. Anyone sending a document, spread sheet or
picture was pretty sure the recipient would have Windows of some
generation and could read/modify it if they wished. It seems that there is
a return to the early micros of the 80s where each machine had its own
operating system. The hope being that the customer was then locked in to
that manufacturer. I see today that Apple will not use Google maps on
iPad3, it has its own system now, Android does use Google so there is a
battle hotting up.

I think Winston Churchill would have said that Apple is far from perfect
but its the best we have.

Regards, Alex

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From: N & T Burgess
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: BOGA Show Saturday @ Roots Garden Centre
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:45

Having spoken to Peter White today he tells me that this is a new venue that he hopes will be popular with people living in the south

Roots Garden Centre, Priors Court Road, Hermitage, Thatcham, Berkshire, RG18 9TG (next to the Showground)

The following will be present
Burnham Nurseries
Ratcliffe Orchids
Peter White Orchids
Ray Creek Orchids
Roydon Orchids
Laneside Hardy Orchids
Two Orchid Societies -Thames Valley and Wessex will be displaying members orchids
Looks as if it might be worth a visit!

Norma

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:55

I once had a Specimen plant of Dendrobium nobile var. Coocksonianum,
which one year had 30 flowering spikes. It started life as a small
kei-kei given to me by the orchid grower at RHS Wisley. At a guess it
took 8 years to reach its best. A year later I sold all my orchids
except my Neofinetia falcata. Heating the greenhouse was too much of
a drain on the finances. I just heat the greenhouse to about 2 deg.C.
now.

Peter Fowler

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 04:05

I have not posted any pictures for some time, so here's one of a miniature dendrobe that just flowered

Dendrobium delacourii:
http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/?actionview&currentIMG_1280b.jpg

Esther

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] BOGA Show Saturday @ Roots Garden Centre
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:55

+Not the most exciting list, but it will help keep withdrawal symptoms at bay, so I expect I ll go.

Does anyone know opening time ?

Geoff

F

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] BOGA Show Saturday @ Roots Garden Centre
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:10

10:00am − 4:30pm

Tricia

After any salary raise, you will have less money at the end of the month than you did before.

Geoff wrote:

> Does anyone know opening time ?

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid Club Badges
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:35

I have been having a bit of a Spring clean and found a small plastic bag with orchid club badges in.
I have:-
x3 OSGB badges.

x2 AOS badges.

x1 1993 WOC Glasgow ,blue and white

x1 no name and quite small, think it is to do with 1993, Glasgow WOC. It does have a little orchid on it and like a very fancy ‘9’.

I know some people collect badges, so they are free to first person who asks for them.

Better day today, weather wise.

Good growing.
Peter F., Alton.

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From: John Dennis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Club Badges
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:45

Hi Peter,
My wife makes amateur jewellery and usually has a small table at the Wessex Orchid Shows. If nobody else want them, we could use them as a point of interest to some orchid collectors or to interest visitors in the hobby.
Thanks
John

Sent from my iPad

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:45

Yes I suppose they must be separate plants. I know encyclia and brassia
clump up into big plants but I would have thought D. nobile plants would
have old canes everywhere and look scruffy. I wonder too if multiple
plants are allowed on the show bench. If you still get the Orchid Review
the winner of the Tokyo Dome was a D.nobile that was even bigger, hundreds
of canes the article said.

BTW you were discussing thunia early this year and mine has just flowered.
First green shoot in march, started watering and it has shot up, 3 stems
too, all in 3 months.
Regards, Alex

Geoff wrote:

> My understanding of the super dendrobes you see is that they put canes
> from a number of different plants all together in one pot...

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From: mckeown.andy e-mail
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:55

I can't speak for big dendrobiums in general seen on show benches but I can
vouch for the Dendrobium nobile that Writhlington school put up. There is
no jiggery-pokery involved. I have known this plant for years and it is
just very well grown. It has improved markedly in the last few years since
they had the new greenhouses. Given that all the usual parameters are
computer controlled to a high degree it is not surprising that all their
plants are now making very impressive increases in bulb/cane size.

I don't think D nobile is difficult to grow to a big plant − it just takes
time and lots of room. I don't bring mine to the shows as it flowers at
the same time as the Writhlington one and since we're in the same society I
don't feel the urge to move mine − it's a fine plant but not in the same
league. . At Writhlington they try to do what the plant does in the wild
- the first year the canes are upright but the next year they become
progressively pendulous and the new ones grow through and upright. The
first year that a cane flowers it has a smattering of blooms. The second
year it has it's main flowering with masses of blooms. It is then removed
as it will not flower again. With canes more than a metre long sticking
up and sagging down in all directions you need a very big space for it.

The greenhouses will be open at the BOC in October which is being hosted by
Writhlington. I know some of you on the list have already had the tour
round tham and I recommend it. They have many huge specimens to hook our
admiration and envy...

Andy

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:40

Sounds really great and I wonder if you cut off the older canes?
Presumably it was growing two or more new canes from each last years lead.
And what about repotting? I am beginning to think it really sets them
back. I have two neofinetia falcata, very late this year, no flower
spikes yet on either.

Regards, Alex

Peter Fowler wrote:

> I once had a Specimen plant of Dendrobium nobile var.
> Coocksonianum, which one year had 30 flowering spikes. It started
> life as a small kei-kei given to me by the orchid grower at RHS
> Wisley. At a guess it took 8 years to reach its best. A year later
> I sold all my orchids except my Neofinetia falcata. Heating the
> greenhouse was too much of a drain on the finances. I just heat the
> greenhouse to about 2 deg.C. now.

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:50

I have never seen D. delacourii for real, nice flowers and a lot for a
small plant. I looked it up and IOSPE said 'not pleasantly fragrant',
what's your verdict Esther? is IOSPE being over critical, you never know
with scent.
Regards, Alex

Esther Koh wrote:

> I have not posted any pictures for some time, so here's one of a miniature
> dendrobe that just flowered
>
> Dendrobium delacourii:
http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/?actionview&currentIMG_1280b.jpg

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mac chat
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:05

Hi Alex
I have an iPad 3 and the maps are Google Copyright! The street level stuff is far quicker to access than that on the PC. It certainly uses Google's data whatever it does with it after and certainly the resolution of Google Earth on an iMac is better . . but that could simply be the screen.
As for Word;while it is true that there can be problems with 'improvements' for version to version, so far I haven't met problems with the iMac version of Office. However, there's time I suppose.

Like you, I started with an Apple][ . . . still have three of 'em and a couple of (shhhhh) Franklins in the loft. Remember the atlas of the apple when you could peek and poke almost any location in memory?

I certainly wouldn't claim that Apple is the be-all and end-all. It just happens to be a lovely machine for my purposes. After the Apple][ they seemed to get overambitious until the Mac, by which time IBM had filled a cheaper gap
However, I still have a PC which is too good to throw away but when it dies I guess i'll it'll get replaced with a mac.
Incidentally, I guess Winston would have had his secretary converted to whatever magic machine was invented in time. I doubt he would have coped with the spaghetti of circuitry at Bletchley!

In the 80s the computing world was hardware led whereas now manufacturers at least pay lip service to common functions.
Cheers
John

On 12 Jun 2012, at 13:16, plik@clara.co.uk wrote:

> I see today that Apple will not use Google maps on iPad3, it has
> its own system now, Android does use Google so there is a battle
> hotting up.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mac chat
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:20

Hi again Alex,
You could always watch Springwatch on iPlayer, albeit deleyed a bit.
John
On 12 Jun 2012, at 13:16, plik@clara.co.uk wrote:

> I have had four Macs starting with the Apple 11e and amidst the Mac
> Euphoria would mention that Apple do seem to go in for planned
> obsolescence. As an example my wife's IMac G5 with the PowerPC chip
> (all the rage at the time) in 2006 does not support backup programs
> anymore. Also I cannot watch SpringWatch video as the latest Adobe
> Flashplayer doesnt work on it.

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:20

Alex said .....

> "I wonder too if multiple plants are allowed on the show bench."

That depends on the Judges. They will certainly be welcome in a show, as increasing the spectacle , and unless it is blatantly obvious that there are a number of pots squeezed into a single container will usually, in practice, be judged as a single plant.
But there is a difference between show judging and award judging. Under RHS Rules a single plant is to be judged. Not that they always followed those rules. There used to be an enormous cattleya grown in a wooden box about 4 foot x 4 foot, often seen at shows .which I have seen with hundreds of flowers. I believe it got a CCC as such; but obviously since there were no leafless back bulbs visible, it was a lot of separate plants all put together. Personally I take the view that if it was a single clone ,i.e. a big plant which got repotted and the oldest parts taken off, leaving several plants, then put back together , then it should still be treated s a single plant. Not everyone takes the same view.
I once had a pitched battle at a show where I was one of the judges, because I wanted to give best plant to a Pleione with a hundred or so bulbs/flowers. No you can t do that, the others said , its a lot of plants put together. Ah, said I, but look closely they are all the one and same clone, identical this has been grown from a single bulb ; what s the difference between that and the cattleya mentioned ? ( The other judges then said that you can t award a {Pleione, its not really an orchid- which I found so ridiculous that I just laughed at them you can t argue with people who are that silly.
Judging does of course raise the temperature and blood pressure more than any other subject I know . I don t do it now , I prefer to avoid having arguments with stupid people , and there is always one ( or more ) in any group.
geoff--

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:40

Cooksonianum; I did not cut off any old canes, except if they were
well gone. I repotted only when it was absolutely necessary . I would
pot on a couple of times and then repot.

Peter F.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: hardy orchids
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:30

My hardy orchids have been more or less non existent this year especially the mixed offers made by Thomson and Morgan and Suttons.
What are the results of other "chatters"?
Gordon

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] hardy orchids
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:05

Hello Gordon,
I was given a small root/shoot of Cyp formosanum two years ago, it grew a couple of leaves last year and flowered on two growths out of four this year. The flower stems were very short as the flowers were only just clear of the soil.
A small growth of Cyp flavum had a nice shoot showing this Spring but that rotted off. I thought it was finished but has now started with a very weak looking couple of leaves.
I live in hope !!!!
What sort of compost are you using? I used a mixture of Seramis, potting compost and sand, I think I need something a bit richer and get some pine duff for a top dressing.

David

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums − delacourii in particular.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:10

I have seen it in the wild, in one of the Reserves in Thailand. It seemed to grow anywhere and everywhere in that place; I saw it lithophytic, terrestrial, epiphytic, and also growing on a stags-horn fern. Can t be too fussy you would think.
I brought back ( Peter Williams imported it for me ) a piece on bark, with maybe half a dozen leads . That was 5 (?) years ago. It has flowered a couple of times for me, but only has one lead now I think. Doesn t like my treatment, obviously.
Soon it will go to join other unsuccessful orchids, lamented but not replaced.

Geoff

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] hardy orchids
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:20

Poor or worse. Bletia or do I mean Bletilla ? Produced a dozen spikes but wind and rain meant I never got to see the open flowers.
A. New cyp. hybrid failed to appear above ground − I've stopped hoping. My big patch of
a hybrid − something like silla ulkins ? − was up to a dozen spikes last year, finally produced about 3 or 4 growths, which slugs have got at. Disheartening.

Geoff

Sent from my iPad

Gordon Walker wrote:

> My hardy orchids have been more or less non existent this year especially the mixed offers made by Thomson and Morgan and Suttons.
> What are the results of other "chatters"?

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Club Badges
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:05

Good to hear from you. If you could mail me your name and address, off line, then I will send them to you.

Regards,

Peter Fowler

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:25

Fascinating stuff Andy, and I dont suppose they repot, they will have just
potted on in its early stages. By now it new canes will be rooting
through old material. If you get to see it again you should take a couple
of close up photos. Well, canes a metre long are a bit much for my lounge
though i must say none of my nobile type dendrobes get to more than 18",
however I will try with something smaller and grow a multi stem plant,
they look really good. Still wonder about the chap that won the Tokyo
Dome with his nobile, hundreds of canes the article said.
Regards, Alex

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:40

Yes, I had always thought you had to have a single plant per pot in a
show. Anyway the mind boggles at a 4 x4 box of cattleyas, pretty obvious
its lots of plants and I hope you won your argument about the pleiones
Geoff. It must be difficult at times to be a judge particularly with the
correct class to exhibit in. Even worse now with all the
re-classifications of plants from one genus to another.
Regards, Alex

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:00

I have never been sure of when to cut off old canes, I do it when the
plant looks straggly which may well be too soon. Anyway i dont think I
will repot so much.
Regards, Alex

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