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22—31 August

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Lindenia for Sale
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:55

Hello All......I have the 1993 English reprint of The Lindenia, 5 large volumes, for sale.

They are used but as new. They cost me £600 in 1993 but I will give them away for £300 , collected from my home, or plus P&P, which I have to work out. They weigh 15 KG + packing. If not collected then I will arrange a carrier to collect and deliver them at cost.
I am sure you know what they look like but I can mail some photos if required.

Thank you for your time.

Peter Fowler


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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Latest Photo's
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:40

The first two pictures are of Aerangis luteo-alba. The third picture is Phalaenopsis bellina, not a very good colour but robust plant. The last one is Psychopsis mariposa 'BV” alba that I got at the London Orchid Show this year. I had a job finding a background that showed it’s correct colour, hence the settee which worked.

David

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Improved search engine on website
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:35

Hi all,

Just to let you know I have found a better search engine for the
website − I have never been very happy with the Google one as it
didn't seem to find very much. The new one is provided by FreeFind
and the new search box has the text 'site searchby freefind'
underneath. If you don't see that, refresh your browser to force it
to load the updated page.

Bill Haldane has kindly tested the new search and says it is much
better than the old one. He is particularly interested in finding
various images in the galleries and advises that it seems to work
best for him if the specific plant name is entered into the search
box, leaving out the genus. Of course if you want to find all the
Vandas, say, simply putting Vandas into the search box will work but
will return a lot of results to sift through.

Hoping you find it useful,

--

Tricia

If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry?

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Greenhouse shading
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:55

This year the cedar lath shading one one greenhouse is getting very
tatty (it dates back to 1983, so not all that surprising!) and I
would appreciate some thoughts on a replacement for next year. The
aluminium stripe netting type appeals, but I'm not sure how to fix it
without it blowing away − the garden here is very windy. I understand
it's best to have a gap between the shading and the glass.

The other question is whether to go for the 50, 60 or 70% material.

--

Tricia

No one ever says "It's only a game," when their team is winning.

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shading
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:25

Tricia, is your greenhouse wooden or metal?

If wooden I find that the easiest way to stop shading blowing away in this windy corner of wild Wales is to use 50 or 60% windbreak netting − the green mesh sort with the black row of eyelets along the edges. I thread it onto expandable net curtain wires attached to cup hooks, inside on the roof of the greenhouse and outside on the sides. I allow a fullness of about x1.5 so that the gathering keeps most of it away from the glass. This also has the advantage that it can be drawn like curtains according to the weather.

I have tried it on the outside of the roof but it didn't last long.

Tina

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Shading
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:50

Tina, thanks for that. The greenhouse is wooden, so easy to attach
hooks, etc. I have been wondering whether removing some of the laths
from the existing blind, leaving e.g. one per foot and then attaching
the aluminium stuff to that would work. It would have the advantage
of still being able to roll the blind up for the winter. The cords
are still in good condition, it's just that some of the laths are
cracked, especially where the neighbours' cat curls up at the bottom
part of the blind near the edge of the roof... I ought to find some
way of keeping him off, I guess!

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Tricia

All's fair in love, war and car parking!

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:15

Hello Tricia,
Here is a method to attach shading. I am using 50% but need to add a layer of fleece to increase shading in mid Summer
David

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:20

I bought some of this stuff when I moved here in 04 , for a system of internal blinds motorised and triggered by a light cell ; the idea was good ( I tell myself) but my d-i-y engineering was not good enough or in other words I was being overambitious it was always jamming or sagging and damaging plants, and I scrapped it. However if you do want it, I got from the people who supply greenhouse accessories and usually have a stand at Peterborough etc can t bring their name to mind but it is very much more expensive than shade cloth.

I don t think the air-space is that important ; can see that it is with lath blinds externally ,, as otherwise green slime , algae etc will develop between glass and lath encouraged by sodden wood. But perhaps if using anything metallic aluminium slat venetian blinds or indeed this cloth then the air space might after all be important, otherwise it would be counterproductive in conducting heat to the glass, in spite of the shading effect after all the purpose of the shade primarily is to reduce temperature , and reducing light is only secondary and sometimes unwanted anyway !

Personally, I went to conventional shade cloth which I Iay on the outside of the glass. It has eyelet holes along the edges, and I thread polypropylene string through them, and use the ends to tie the cloth down to anywhere convenient ; actually I have pop-rivetted hooks to the greenhouse frame for the purpose.

I expect you know that the green cloth comes in 40%,50%, 60% versions and there is not a lot of difference. Furthermore two layers of 40% is not 80% shade probably you have to add the reciprocals and then convert as you do with insulation material and k values.

Another possibility for you to consider is the white stuff you can paint on the glass ; on the outside it does wash away in rainy weather, but not too fast ; it also contaminates collected rain don t know what effect that has ; I have used it internally which avoids all that.

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:15

Geoff, thanks for your comments. I have tried the white stuff
(GlassCool?) in the past with varying degrees of success − usually it
is insufficient on its own here. The green cloth is a definite
possibility, especially as two of you have suggested it.

David, thanks very much for the illustration. That confirms for me
that I can adapt my current pulley and cord system for either the
aluminium netting or the green cloth. On balance I'm leaning towards
the aluminium netting on the grounds that it is supposed to reflect
some of the heat from the sun − do you think it does that in actual
use?

As the greenhouse is small- 10' 6" x 6' 6" − it does get too hot in
the sun without shading and I can't help feeling the aluminium
netting would be the nearest equivalent to the existing blind.

--

Tricia

If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before.

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From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:50

Tricia, re.the shadecloth with the aluminium strips. The strips are
woven into a white net-like background and it does help to reduce
the build-up of solar heat . I had some installed in a polytunnel
and was pleased with the performance when compared with the green
net . Additionally, I did not think that it reduced the light levels
as much as the green shade-cloth since it performs much like the
lathe system and it is much lighter to handle. It does not have
eyelets as such but you seem to have a perfectly good roller system
It is usually more expensive but I would recommend it over the green
netting.

Lynda

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:50

Tricia, I find the aluminium shading does reduce the temperature somewhat
but not as much as you may be led to believe. I have had mine on for about
five or six years and there's no sign of deterioration. I remove it
completely in the winter and store it in the dry under the staging. This may
help with the length of life.
David

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:55

Tricia said... it does get too hot in the sun without shading

They all do, the main difference between big and small is that big ones take longer to get too hot, and longer to cool down again.

Even EYOF in their 125 foot long, 25 foot wide and 20ft high ( an estimate from recollections of my last visit some years ago ) use blinds.

BTW It was Simply Control I had in mind.

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:15

Yes indeed, they all do. What I should have said was, being a small
greenhouse it gets furnace-hot extremely quickly even painted with
CoolGlass so it needs external shading.

Given it's very windy here, once the current blind is down it's tied
down and stays down all summer. On dull days it really is too dark
with the blind down but too much of a faff to untie it and roll it
up, so the claim that the aluminium netting reflects heat but allows
more light through than the current system is appealing.

--

Tricia

You need to be very careful when drawing up a specification, otherwise you risk getting what you ask for rather than what you want.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:25

David, have you used other shading to compare? I don't think any
shading can stop the temperature rising altogether, but if it can
help keep it down to 80F at the warmest, that's good enough for me!
Basically I'm looking for something that's as effective as the
current system heat-wise but hopefully a bit more light. But then,
who isn't?

I can see it makes sense to store the shading somewhere weather-proof
in the winter. That wouldn't be a problem.

--

Tricia

Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Greenhouse shading
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:55

Tricia, I used Coolglass when I first started growing orchids and soon
realised it didn't work on my 8x6 greenhouse. I then used green plastic
shade netting which was better but the aluminium shading is the best at
keeping it cool. On hot Summer days I just open the door a couple of inches
and a fan in the eaves suck out the hot air and draws in cool air through
the door. I lose the humidity but damping down in the evening when cooler it
soon rises. I don't have any fancy swamp coolers etc and my plants don't
seem to suffer too much on the odd day it happens. I also have a high eave
10x6 and that certainly doesn't get so hot so quickly. I get temperatures up
to about 30 degC 86 deg F but then species Phals don't seem to mind the heat
as that is their normal Summer temperature.
David

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dinton Pastures
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:50

Does anyone have inside info about who will be there ? i.e trade ?

The UK trade is shrinking so fast, there are not many left ! I heard that Peter Black is thinking of giving up ; as we all know , David Stead is off , if and when he gets his Visa ( for Oz) , Janet Plested has gone stateside and Ian either faces a separation or overcomes his reluctance and follows, Ivens have gone ( but never went to Dinton anyway) , Chris Channon is a distant memory – not that he ever ventured far south of the M62....
I don’t think Ray Creek is in the BOGA mafia anyway, so Burnham –,good old Burnham.... and who else ?

last year I did buy a few plants I was glad to see ; but had a horrid journey home down the M3 on the Bank Holiday Saturday afternoon – 3 hours for much less than a hundred miles , and thought I wouldn’t go again, but...

Is it worth it is my question.

Geoff

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From: N & T Burgess
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dinton Pastures
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:30

I am assuming you mean Peter White not Black?
From another web orchid forum −
BOGA members attending are Burnham's, David Stead, Ratcliffe's, Peter White, Laneside, Ray Creek and Andy's Glass. We are on an area behind the cafe this year.
Also attending Plesteds and Royden.
Roelke also this was put on there by Jeff Hutchings of Laneside.

Norma

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dinton Pastures
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:30

My word, that was a slip indeed !. Not many people will remember Peter Black in the orchid world ! He sold me my first cattleya but if he were still alive he would be the world s oldest man I think.

Yes indeed, Peter White was the man I meant.

Black white they are all colours, after all.....

Thanks for the info Norma- I guess I will brave the traffic !

Geoff...

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shading
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:05

My difficuly is the opposite. There is such a lack of sun in North Devon I am washing my shading of and with a dodgy back it is a slow job.
Regards

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From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dinton Pastures
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:10

I thought Peter Black was just Geoff being sarcastic.................shows how much of the orchid world history there is to learn.
Richard

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:20

My android ( HTC ) cell phone has a light meter among other gismos, wow!!!!!!

Jim

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From: Richard Baxter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:05

So pleased to see someone else refer to their telephone as a cell phone...............which is exactly what they are. I usually get funny looks when I refer to them as such. I must be getting old because such colloquialisms as "mobile" become irritating, rather like people not knowing the correct way to hang our national flag. I do hope that during the Olympics the winners have been schooled to ensure the Union flag is the correct way up before they drape flags over themselves.
Richard

JIM MATEOSKY wrote: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.

My android ( HTC ) cell phone has a light meter among other gismos, wow!!!!!!

Jim

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:15

What does it read in ? F/C, Lux, twitters per hour ?

Geoff

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: another sad loss in the orchid world.
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:40

I heard today that Wilma Rittershausen died yesterday. She has not been active in the firm – Burnham – for many years I think, having 'some blood condition” – maybe Leukaemia I wondered.

She was a fine Editor of the Orchid Review some years ago , and I also remember her as Show Secretary of the London Spring Show- which at that time was called the BOGA Show . This was, as I remember it, maybe about 1970-73 ? I think she had a good temperament for that, being rather more cheerful than her brother, at times. She would often pull my leg when I was choosing a plant at the nursery , and if she asked why I was examining every plant before making a choice, and I answered that I was looking for the one with most new leads , she would say something like she thought I enjoyed a challenge, and ought to pick the weakest plant , and so on. Brian would never have done that kind of thing.

Oddly enough, due to the law of unintended consequences, when she invited me to be one of the judges at the BOGA show in that period , it led to the eventual formation of BOC. I was horrified at the ignorance of those appointed as co-judges and thought that 'we” ought to have a judge training system, if not like the USA one then at least just something better than asking people because we knew them as customers (!) .

I whinged about it to John Blowers who was actually Editor at that time ( of Orchid Review) wondering if the RHS could be persuaded to do something , and he told me that what we wanted was a central body representing all the Societies , who could arrange and govern that (among other things) – but 'they” meaning the UK Orchid Societies would never agree to co-operate on anything .

As it happens I was rather proud of my advocacy skills at that time, having just won some case in the Patents Court , where ( as a qualified Patent Attorney) I was allowed to represent my clients without involving barristers . So , since I could see the wisdom of the idea and also see other areas where co-operation would be very worthwhile, decided to have a go , despite the warning that I was wasting my time. BOC was the result. I don’t expect that will be part of any funeral eulogy since it is not general knowledge anyway, but I know – and so do you now.

Geoff

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:25

lux, but there are lots of free apps out there that it can be converted into whatever... no twitters for me.... camera, light meter, internet.....it is a pretty amazing tool

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From: john Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:50

Yeah,
Our iPhone does the same; personally I don t care what units I use (I can choose) and what s more, the weather forecasting app is as good as any. Of course, for any pre-digital humans out there, even analogue cameras have a pretty good meter.
For anyone who s really into gizmos, you can now find your wild orchid (with your analogue eyes) discover the weather (if you hadn t noticed the rain), take a perfectly digitally exposed photograph and have a GPS attachment so that the camera knows where you were and which direction you were pointing the camera . . all recorded for posterity.

Of course, some of us probably don t have enough posterity to make it all worth while!

I wonder what Fox Talbert would have made of it all? Probably taken up orchid collecting I guess.
John

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:40

And there was me thinking that androids had some connection with Julie Christie, and Andromeda.... a statement which will probably bring the usual reaction from anyone under 90 ( is there anyone under 90 reading this ?) about Geoff being past it, and when will the men in white coats come and collect him. Do they still have men in white coats I wonder ?

On a more serious note, i wonder how long the BOGA fair will continue ? My visit was on Saturday morning fairly early in a fairly successful attempt to avoid the horrors of the mass emigration to the beaches of Bournemouth on Bank Holiday Saturday afternoon, along the M3. But I doubt if there were more than 20 buyers at Dinton Pastures at least 25% of them being members of this group.......

David Stead has not got his Oz visa maybe never will if they are restricting immigration he will be cut off by an age limit I should think ; I didn t get to talk to him since I already have every one of the vandas he was selling, and he had nothing from Holland that I haven t seen before or already got. I bought a few things from Burnham I have already passed on the sad news I got from Arthur, a few from Peter White ( Ooi Leng stuff he is selling off after the Peterborough debacle ) and a couple of plants from Ray Creek who has a more interesting range although much of it ( Oncidium hybrid plugs) I had seen before and bought from.

Ian Plested was there, talking of a closing down sale, and resigned to going to the states to follow Janet but his prices do not reflect closing down, yet. I have signed up for his closing down lists maybe I ll find things of interest at prices which attract .

And to complete my miscellany of unrelated matters I spent several hours on the telephone today with a commercial firm ( in Mumbai) who rang me on the basis of info passed on by Microsoft , which ended with them taking control of my PC, and doing a lot of stuff ; I saw the error log 2661 errors since about May when I bought this PC. They traced this to using Norton 360 where I had transferred unused subscription time from one machine to another , and it seems I was using a Norton version designed for XP, so it let through all the malware and viruses designed for Windows 7 which is what I use.... unbelievable ain t it . I think I really ought to sue Norton , but I want to watch TV in half an hour, so I ll miss out on that one.

Geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:05

Hi Geoff, Out of interest, these people from Mumbai; did you get a feel that there were from or representing Microsoft? Did they ring you and say you had problems with your PC. Got you to enter some code which bought up your error files; red/yellow crosses etc? They would pass you on to someone who for a small charge, say 22, would put it right for you.

If the answer is Yes , then this is a well known scam that is going on all over the world. It was on telly the other month.

But I very much think this was not what happened in your case, as I am sure you would have seen through them.

They have stopped phoning me now. It used to be every week.

On an orchid type topic, I have a load of Orchid Club, WOC badges to give away. Just would ask for the postage costs.

I know some people collect orchid badges. If interested then please contact me personally by email.

Thanks,

Peter, Alton.

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:20

To all on 'The Orchid List”, Beware. I have copied some messages on a blog about this scam. Thought it would be of interest.

'Start of messages”

Comment

1. WCS.Tony | Tue Feb 09, 2010 @ 12:30AM

Hi R

I cannot explain how this chap got your name or phone number, but I have never heard of Microsoft (there is no company called Windows) calling anyone!

Usually when you call them you have to pay for the privilege.

Checking GOOGLE I soon realised that this is just another scam

http://blog2.sidz.id.au/2009/07/25/scammers-called-soc321com-support-on-click-etc/

http://www.digitaltoast.co.uk/supportonclick-systemrecure-scam

Apparently they get you to check Event Viewer and home in on any errors there (there are always some errors there). Then they get you to go to their web site and allow them to access your PC remotely 'to fix the problems”. Well once you have done that they can do whatever they want with your PC.

DON’T DO IT!

See http://www.digitaltoast.co.uk/supportonclick-systemrecure-scam "If you are in UK" to report it.

See you.

Tony
2. Cathy | Sat Jul 24, 2010 @ 06:21AM

I have also had two calls in the last two days from someone saying my computer is causing errors and wanting me to switch the computer on so they can show me the errors. I did not do this as I am very wary of such calls. I have calls my ISP who have confirmed I there are no problems with my system nor have there ever been. They informed me that this is a scam to either access my computer or sell me a cheap dodgy product. DO NOT DO WHAT THEY ASK YOU.
3. gggirlgeek | Sun Sep 05, 2010 @ 08:13PM

Scary! When ANYONE calls saying they are your service provider for ANYTHING. It is a simple process to have them verify your account information. This is as far as the phone call usually goes. If I have not gotten a clear answer after asking 3 times -- 1 is enough -- I say "don't call this number again" and hang up. That is a legal phrase. They cannot contact you again or you can sue them.

They often say we're calling to verify... Can you tell us the name of your... the number on the back of your...

When I'm in the office and need to be polite I say, I'll certainly verify that for you. What's the number (name; account number or whatever it is)? They usually ask again and I say (while laughing) I can verify but I will not give out information. Who is calling? They usually hang up by now but if not, tell them not to call this number again.

If you're at home. Just tell 'em, nice try. Fk off! Don't call again.

It is usually printer cartridge services. But I had one guy call my job and tell me he was my "computer guy" from my "Internet service." I said, Hi, computer guy. Our office has a computer chick, and that's me. What can I help you with? Needless to say, the phone call didn't last very long.
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6. dooncan | Thu Nov 25, 2010 @ 10:53PM

Just had this phone call. Guy insisting he was an associate of windows and I needed to get on my computer so he could show me the error.

Assumed this was a scam, but I enjoy trying to make them hang up on me. 5 minutes later he decided I wasn't worth the effort and hung up.

Repeadtely asked him what my IP address was if I've been logging errors with them, kept trying to give me my street address.
7. Cassandra | Thu Jul 07, 2011 @ 03:51PM

I just got a call from this guy or his twin. Saying he was from Windows and claiming I had error warning messages on my computer. I told him my land line phone was not near the computer and could I have his phone number to call him back. He gave me a number that did not look right to me. You decide: 011918100066696. I will not be calling him back.

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'End of messages”.

This scam has been going on for years now. Please be aware and do not let them enter your PC.

Peter F., Alton.

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 01:05

On Aug 29, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Geoff wrote:

> ( is there anyone under 90 reading this ?) about Geoff being past
> it, and when will the men in white coats come and collect him. Do
> they still have men in white coats I wonder ?

I'm reading, Geoff, and am under 90 so far. . ., cm or yrs? Cannot
say much about the men in white coats, but the new semester is
starting and there was a clutch of pre-pharmacy co-ed's in white
outfits walking across the green to some event.

>
> On a more serious note, i wonder how long the BOGA fair will
> continue ?
>
> ( Ooi Leng stuff he is selling off after the Peterborough debacle )
>
Okay, the temptation. Now, what is the gossip? Since I am over
yonder, the juicy news is not available in the Great Plains
hinterland. Pray tell! The American orchid lists are boring of
late: AOS falling apart, small societies collapsing right and left, e-
Bay chasing away small sellers to require free shipping on
everything. . . Same, same. . .

Paul

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Computer Security
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:50

I am not a computer expert but my EMail was highjacked and used to send out Spam using my contacts list,
Microsoft, by phone, advised me to change my password and the mis-use stopped.
The next day I was phoned by a foreiogn man who advised he could help. In my best construction language I told him what to do to himself.
I thenspoke to a security expert that I worked wioth a while ago and he advised that hackers were now entering many major internet computers and getting info.
He suggested changing your computer entrance and Internet passwords at least every month and clearing cookies once a week.
I now follw his advice
Regards

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Computer Security
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:55

A few months ago, my neighbour s PC went down and he used my PC to check his email (Hotmail). I use Livemail and it transpires that they are, to some extent, the same. I acquired his contacts list and he mine and even now, when I fire up my Livemail I first need to cancel his Hotmail.

As we struggled to sort out the mess, I finished up with three installations of my mail and have been diligently deleting mail from two of the installations so that there is less to delete. However, I now find that mails to my used installation are in triplicate (which makes reading OT in-mail very tedious). I thought, at first it was an orchid-talk problem but I now discover all my in-mail is in triplicate in each of the three installations (Grrrrrr!)

It is rather like having my own pyramid mail system except that there s no promised cash at the end.

Incidentally, the original CANWAS website was hijacked by someone who was into Viagra sales. It didn t do a lot for the Society I recall! Somehow, that prejudiced my status with Paypal with whom any attempted transaction generates a bill for years-old web-site charges.

I think I ll go in for telepathy I don t think anyone s cracked that yet for security trouble is, it don t work!
Yours in probable triplicate
John

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Computer Security
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:40

I have a friend who had some sort of problem which meant that every time he tried to do something or other he was asked to pay for something in the past which he felt was not his responsibility ;I think this is analogous to your problem John .

He solved he problem with a new e-mail address one quite different . Not using any of the free six which his ISP gives out, which they immediately spot as a disguise .

In your case, think Hotmail or Google mail ( I think it is now Gmail...).

Problem solved ?

My solution to the irritation of having three copies of everything logging up the system- not everything was ) was to change ( from office 20010 and then from Office 2007 ) to Live mail . But you might change to something like Thunderbird.

Geoff

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:50

They used the word Microsoft very freely, but did not pretend to be Microsoft. Directly challenged, they were Checkmypconline.com Yes I did surrender control of my pc to them it sounds quite alarming, but I have had it done several times before, and it is a very efficient way to get things done. No they can t get to find my passwords they are stored in hard copy form, not electronically.

Yes I had to pay. One thing I have learnt in life is that there is no free lunch. If they are doing something worthwhile they are entitled to a fee. I get support for 2 years via a Freephone number for what I paid.

Yes they did show me my events log, and the number of errors ( which means code faults in registry) and Alerts , meaning potential for problems under certain circumstances) was really horrendous for a PC so new. Yes my system is miles faster now. Was it worth it ? Yes as long as it keeps up , and if it doesn t then I have that support line.

Were they from Mumbai? possibly ,although there is a London Office ; from the speed of reply when I asked a question, I don t think a long distance telephone was involved . But as to Indians, apart from problems about accent , I have a high respect for the Indian graduates doing these jobs and a low respect for any UK person doing that kind of job in UK ( far too much of a generalisation this ! ) Am I unpatriotic ? Just realistic based on experience.

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Computer security
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:45

As I said at the begining of my EMail − I am not an expert so I take advice.
If you give access to your computer to these clever b's anything your computer knows they can access. Your computer must know your entery password also if you have told it to remember your internet password it knows that. Your computer is now breached.
They can alsoobtain your EMail address and password info by breaching a recipients system.
That is why his advice of changing passwords and clearing cookies should be considered.
Maybe there is an expert in our group that can refute this or agree.
Reghards

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From: Bill Haldane
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Late August Flowerings
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:45

Here are a few current flowerings that may be of interest.
a) Phrag. 'La Vingtaine'.( Mem. Dick Clements x kovachii)
The flower width is 135mm.
b) Lycaste cruenta
c) Epidendrum lacustra
Regards Bill

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A clip from a page I found browsing the net − can you believe it/explain it ? especially the UK figure ?
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:25

OrSequestions also – where do the Japanese orchids go ?e, And just who and just who in UK produces and sells 45 million ($) of orchids ? GeoffbuteSeechid Soci

ety All About Orchids
Orchid Market Passed $1 Billion Mark
By
admin
Published: June 10, 2011Posted in: Orchid NewsTags: Orchid Market, orchid market share, orchid production
The global orchid market has passed the $1 Billion mark in 2010. The leading orchid producing countries in 2010 are

Country Orchid Production
Japan $280 Million
USA $170 Million
Taiwan $130 Million
China $70 Million
Brazil $60 Million
United Kingdom $45 Million
Thailand $35 Million
Italy $30 Million
New Zealand $20 Million

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Strange things happen, and the new York Orchid Show.
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:30

I was browsing trying to find the 2012 date for the NYOS show – usually (hitherto) in 'holy Week” except that I have forgotten quite what that means. The last time I went was the year of 9/11, – the show was in the Twin Towers Winter garden/Conservatory or whatever they called it ; since then it has, I think, gone back to The Rockefeller Center.

(I never did find the show dates) but I came across those amazing figures about 1 billion US$ of orchids which I tried to copy and include in a mail to list, here. Strange things happened then – when I tried to add words, the font kept jumping to white on a white page, which does wonders for legibility ! At the time of writing I don’t know if my message did get sent – but if not I’ll explain the mystery later after Ii have read this message and not seen the one I did 5 minutes ago.

Geoff

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] holy tomoly!! I have a light meter and didn't know it.
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:50

Ah well.....

We had a call last night from an Indian-sounding voice claiming to be from Windows.

My wife gave the call short shrift!

She did not even know about the scam.

I guess Take care is the watchword.

Tony G.

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: plant hangers wanted
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:10

I grow a few hundred plants hanging up using three-legged pot hangers hooked onto wires running the length of my greenhouse. I need a constant supply as the older ones get brittle and break.

I can get them in various lengths designed for either plastic baskets , or for the half pots with a built in plant saucer , but in both cases the hangers engage with a broad rim, maybe 1/4 inch or even 1cm wide. I could get these from Janet Plested, or perhaps PPP.

I have some older ones which are fine with ordinary Sankey pots , where the rim is only slightly thickened ; these are the ones I need more of especially for the 2 inch and 3 inch pots I use for a lot of smaller Vandaceous plants, Dendrobium phalaenopsis types etc. ., and I can’t find them anywhere. Does anyone have any suggestions ?

It used to be possible to buy strong wire ones too – with a circle of wire to receive the pot and then a length of hanger a a hook at the top. In the past I have made them, but don’t now have access to a decent bench and kit to draw the wire through to get it straight before I start bending – so a source for those would be helpful too. I fear they are no longer made.

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: A clip from a page I found browsing the net − can you believe it/explain it ? especially the UK figure ?
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:50

Geoff, it's a nice-looking site, but I am surprised by the claim on their
home page that Sarracenia is a carnivorous orchid!

http://www.orchidsociety.com/

--

Tricia

If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?

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From: Geoff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Late August Flowerings
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:50

Quite a large Phrag then , although I suppose that kovachii crosses can be bigger yet . Interesting that the kovachii colour makes no impression.
Your epi is a new one to me bulbs like Cat skinnerii I assume ?
Incidentally I think this is the first set of pics ( other than my own) I have viewed on my Windows Live Mail , and I do like the system. As long as I open your e-mail first, and don t rely on the preview pane, I can click on slide show and get full screen pics, and step back and forth between them. This seems to be something that the reviled Microsoft have got right.
Geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A clip from a page I found browsing the net − can you believe it/explain it ? especially the UK figure ?
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 22:30

There is no way we produce more orchids than Thailand. $45M for UK!! Never.
Peter F., Alton.

Geoff wrote: [OrchidTalk] A clip from a page I found browsing the net − can you believe it/explain it ? especially the UK figure ?

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