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March 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 April 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30
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February 1—7

From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: that Miltassia
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:55

for Alex, Andy, Dennis...

Looking at Orchid wiz images, I see that M.Royal Robe − which is what I suggested I think − has mostly plain petals and sepals ; Dark star has a lot of patternig. I think Royal Robe ( in both cases ).

Geoff

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From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: copper fungicides... and orchid hunting in West Africa
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:50

I have a faint idea that I read somewhere (RHS mag ?) that copper fungicides are now banned. Can anyone tell me if that is right, and if so suggest any other copper compound which is still available ?
This line of thought came about after looking at our site archive , and reading the messages for the month listed there − some six years ago , and being reminded of advice I gave at that time, and had myself forgotten.
It is quite salutory to do that − look at our concerns then, and marvel at time passing and the changes wrought....
I must be getting philosophical in my old age ! Really, the explanation is that away from home, kept away from my orchids, garden, house, kitchen ,walks etc etc, I'm getting bored.

I went looking for Ansellia africana yesterday in a National Park here ; the terrain was right, but the right kind of trees were very few and far between and no Ansellia on any of them − it is quite unmistakeable, and unusual in being happy in quite dry areas where there is almost no other epiphytic growth ; no ferns or mosses for example; I'll believe that it is here ( in The Gambia) since it is next door in Mali and next door in Guinea,although not mentioned to be in The Gambia specifically in anything I have been able to find, but I guess I haven't got the time or the inclination to search every square meter of possible ground to find it ; I thought I might strike lucky, but no. Tomorrow I'm going to visit the (only) Boitanic Gardens here, and chat to the Curator or whatever the boss-man is called, to see if he can give me a clue, and if so I have one further day to try and follow up before the flight home.

Time for my dose of sun-bathing and a swim, in the Atlantic, before lunch.....

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Miltassia
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 13:30

Thank you for the response. Looking at orchid wiz I am with Geoff − Royal Robe it is.
In 1956 I stayed at The Atlantic Hotel in Bathurst, Gambia.Not only has Bathurst changed but I guess The Atlantic Hotel has been modernised and the corrugated roofed ' giddas' (chalets) have gone.
Thanks all and regards

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fw: RHS Information Reference: 218600/151930
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:50

Geoff,
Here is a list of the current fungicides we can still use.
David

Author: GardeningAdvice@rhs.org.uk
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:47 PM
To: david10saxmartin@waitrose.com
Re: RHS Information Reference: 218600/151930

Dear Mr Martin,

Thank you for your enquiry to the Royal Horticultural Society's Members' Advisory Service.

I have attached the information I mentioned to you, which should help answer your query.

Visit the RHS website for a wealth of gardening information. Log on to http://www.rhs.org.uk where you can explore the Gardening and Plant sections for help and advice, or find the topics that interest you by using the search box.

I trust this information is helpful and wish you success with your gardening.

Yours sincerely,

RHS Advisory Service


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From: john Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] copper fungicides... and orchid hunting in West Africa
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:25

Hi Geoff,
I found this concise site which, while not the last word by any means, might answer your query;
http://www.oakleafgardening.com/how-to/use-pesticides/fungicides/

It occurs to me that, if you are into anti-corrosion and anti-fouling of boat/ship hulls, you must be aware that copper-based paints are no longer encouraged (ie., banned!) I find it interesting, if not amazing, that copper can become so much of a hazard in oceanscale volumes of water but it must ( ? ) be a mmeasure of the Cu toxicity problem.

Incidentally, to emphasise the heavy metal precautions now in vogue, in 1998 I flew back to the UK from San Francisco sitting by a senior member of a UK painting team who were, then, painting the Golden Gate Bridge. One of the biggest expenses they incurred even so long ago was capturing all the paint scraped, chipped and flaked off the metalwork in preparation for the re-paint. Can you imagine the task on the suspension cables alone (and it was all monitored by a CA authority)!

And don t forget, even our copper coinage is now steel! I m surprised that Pb-flashing is still permitted!

Keep well
John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Not just a pretty picture
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:55

Any of you who grow Masdevallia ignea x Pichincha might like to know
that it is now officially registered as Masdevallia Alan F. Garner

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/orchiddetails.asp?ID136614

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Tricia

Don't be irreplaceable − if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted.

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Miltassia
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:10

delspyes

No more giddas? Poor geckos. Chased out of home and cockroaches.

paul

On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Dennis Read wrote:

>
> Thankyou for the response. Looking at orchid wiz I am with Geoff −
> Royal Robe it is.
> In 1956 I stayed at The Atlantic Hotel in Bathurst, Gambia.Not only
> has Bathurst changed but I guess The Atlantic Hotel has been
> modernised and the corrugated roofed ' giddas' (chalets) have gone.
> Thanks all and regards

Paul J. Johnson
White, SD

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From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: copper products
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:20

Thanks all ; the "no-more copper products" seems to be a bit of an over-statement, if I read the RHS list correctly. I will have a look at it again when I am home, since browsing is a bit of a pain with the wi-fi situation here, but it does seem to say that e.g. Cheshunt is still OK, and that would do me fine

BTW Dennis, Bathurst doesn't exist any more − its called Banjul now. And if you wouldn't recognise it because of the changes sinces 1956 , neither do I with the changes since my last visit a mere 15 or so years ago !.

I just had an amusing thought about Bordeaux mixture − back in the 1950s when BR gave up steam locomotives , do you know what happened to them ? I went to a Company called McKechnie in St Helens, and there they were − the boiler and fire-box sets anyway − dumped into giant baths of Sulphuric acid to make copper sulphate, as the first part of making Bordeaux Mix − ended up on the vines in GFrance. Now that's real recycling ! − the rreason I went however, was that as well as that lovely old-fashooned process, at the other end of the factory they had a pilot plant for making Titanium − which was my first introduction to aero-space work..I digress.

Geoff

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Not just a pretty picture
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:25

What a lovely plant and a wonderful tribute

Andy

"Tricia Garner" wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Not just a pretty picture

> Any of you who grow Masdevallia ignea x Pichincha might like to know
> that it is now officially registered as Masdevallia Alan F. Garner
>
> Tricia
>
> Don't be irreplaceable − if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] copper fungicides... and orchid hunting in West Africa
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:30

Hello John,
I am almost sure that Captan has been banned for quite a few years and certain that Tar Oil Winter Wash is .
David

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Not just a pretty picture
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:55

Tricia,
That's a nice memorial to Alan and a very pretty plant as well.
David

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Not just a pretty picture
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:15

What a lovely idea!

.....and attractive too!

Tony G.

Tricia Garner wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Not just a pretty picture

Any of you who grow Masdevallia ignea x Pichincha might like to know that it
is now officially registered as Masdevallia Alan F. Garner

--

Tricia

Don't be irreplaceable − if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Back to pretty pictures
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:05

I have grown Miltassia Dark Star 'Darth Vader' for 15 or 20 years. The flowers sometime don't have the spots on the petals. I didn't like it too much, until the plant was large. I prefer Milt. Anne Warne (one of the parents). It growers better and has more flowers. Take a look at it on my site.
http://togofcoralgables.com/MiltAnneWarne.aspx
8 20 08 2 to 5 blooms on a stem

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Not just a pretty picture
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:00

I agree.
Gordon.

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Not just a pretty picture

Tricia,
That's a nice memorial to Alan and a very pretty plant as well.
David

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: a new crop of piccys from my first days back home.
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 10:15

541. Fredclarkeara After Dark. It's in the catasetiniae of course − Fka (
abbreviation) is Mormodia x Catasetum, and I think Mormodia is Mormodes x
Clowesia (?)
A right awkward − sorry bad language not allowed here ! ***** to photograph
!
Orchid flowers perhaps not at their best − I had been watching them, and
wondering if they were going to open further, for a month, then went away,
and came back two weeks later and the first to open is going over.
First flowering here ; you can see the bulb on it when I bought it at the
European Congress in September 09 , my bulb is twice as big, but I'm sure
that if I can keep growing it well it can double again. These catasetum
types are very generous with flowers I find.

542 Dend Oriental Smile 'Fantasy' It's a nobile orchid hybrid, , rather big
canes − 18 inch to 1/2 meter tall, and I bought it from a German Orchid
trader at a London Show a few years ago. He spun me a wonderful line about
how the cross could never be re-made ( didn't understand why not) .He didn't
know the name. In fact it is a meristem, and has been identified for me by
several people, and checks out in Orchidwiz. The things people say to sell
plants !. I am in the process of propagating , not to increase the numbers
so much, as to get young plants full of canes ready to flower.... Flowers
btw about 3 inches.

543 Odontoglossum Hallio-crispum x Geyser Gold. I expect that it is now an
oncidium, but I'll leave it as an Odont , since that is what it has been for
a hundred years I guess -- well at least Odm hallii x Odm crispum. Geyser
Gold must be getting a bit long in the tooth too now, but that's Ok, so am
I.
Bought as an unflowered seedling a year ago, and put into Aquaculture.
First flowers here. Maybe I can get it up to a 20 or more flowered branched
spike ; maybe, there's no harm hoping.
Flowers 2 and half inches, I suppose.
It is crispum of course which gives the "crisped" wavy edges to the petals
and sepals.

544 Dend lawesii. A first flowering seedling from a flask raised by a
friend. The thing which surprises me is that the canes are only 6 inches
long − I thought this chap needed to be 4 times that size to flower. It's in
a 2 inch pot, btw − which shows the size of the flowers.

545. Xylobium palladiflorum IMHO a sweet little orchid. Now up to 4 leads ,
in a 4 inch basket, but only one currently flowering ; last year it had
three flower spikes from the three growths it then had, but again, one after
the other , presumably as the bulbs matured successively. Maybe I can give
it a rest, to try and get them synchronised ?.
Comes from Columbia (originally) it says on the label, although this was
seed-raised in Europe.
I must be confused somewhere, I thought I had grown a Xylobium previously
with a totally pendant spike, like a Gongora, but didn't like it − I thought
the flowers looked like dead flies. But i fell i love with this on an orchid
nursery visit, so any prejudice about the name did not kick in.

546. Paph World treasure 'Cleeve Prior' I raised a flask of this grex (World
Treasure) some 20 years ago, and the three best were , I thought RHS/AM
standard, so I gave them clone names after the village where I then lived
and the adjacent ones. At their best, they are all almost circular and 5
inches or more across. I never did get around to putting one up to the
Committee, and nowadays they don't seem to like giving awards to hybrids at
all, unless they come from Jersey.

547 . P. concolor. All the brachy's are difficult to grow in UK ( and USA) .
I made this comment on a specialist chat site, and one guy living in
Viet-nam, where they grow like weeds, asked me why that is; it took me some
time to find a good answer -" if we knew that, I guess we wouldn't find
them so difficult !"

548 Paph Harbur, Golden Gate ( you might think that with that clone name it
ought to be Harbour as the grex name − I did − until I checked it out. Maybe
the registrant can't spell ! Another old complex paph. Cost me a bomb twenty
five years ago... But I like it, and my old mum used to say money is made
round so that it goes round. That was in the days when coins were worth
something , and notes rather rare... a long time ago . An American hybrid I
believe.

549 P Martha Torrance. An old friend of mine who knows more about these
things than most people reckons that plants go through something like a five
year cycle of variation in quality of bloom. This is perhaps the bottom end
for this plant, which in fact has not bloomed for a few years − not due to
any cycle, but simply after a house move, the paphs did not like their new
conditions and it has taken a long time to adjust matters to their liking,
which I'm confident I have done, and then I have to grow them in these
better conditions and keep it up, for a few more years to see them at their
best. Now they are starting to bloom again, but not quite of the best
quality, yet. But I'm an optimist − next season will be better- always.
So Martha ' here can have flatter blooms, and a bit bigger too, She is an
old friend of mine , originally registered in 1959 by a D J Torrance of
Seattle, grows (normally) easy, regularly gave divisions too.

My American friends tell me that Complex Paphs are making a come-back in
popularity − come back Ratcliffes − all is forgiven.

550 Paph Danella. The original was highly awarded ; this is from a remake
from the same parents, and perhaps capable of being just as good. Ain't I
modest !

551. Catasetum No-ID. Bought − and I still have the label attached, as
Mormodes variabilis. I know that means variable, but it can't vary quite
that much !. I'm sure it's a Catasetum species , and if and when I find time
to trawl all through e.g. IOSPE I will find it ; whilst a lot of this genus
are indeed variable − consider Imperialis in green, white, yellow and red
forms.. the curious red shape down the lip, like the chrysalis of some
wonderful butterfly , must be very diagnostic. A spike of 5 flowers on a
young plant, first flowering. I only started in on this group of orchids a
very few years ago, and what a lot of amazing things I had been missing -
although you may not actually like this flower − I am not sure whether I
like it, or am afraid of it (!)- but they certainly are striking.

Geoff

Ps I didn't find Ansellia africana − but have a better idea of where to look
- it may need a two day expedition up the river ( from civilization and cold
beer) ending up in a dug-out canoe . I'm getting a bit old for that lark, I
think.

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: First Pleione to flower
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:50

I attach a picture of my first Pleione to flower, this year. It is Pln.
humilus, a pretty little flower.

The rest are a bit slower to start growing as they were only imported about
5 weeks ago.

I also attach a picture of one of my wife's Phals. Which have been in flower
for weeks.

It is Doritaenopsis Minho Princess.

Good growing

Peter F. Alton

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] First Pleione to flower
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:15

It's a very sweet Pleione . I remember I found it one of the more difficult
ones − but that is a very long time ago , I think more is known about their
requirements nowadays.

geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sedirea japonica
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:20

Has anyone grown the above plant, please. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks

Peter F.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sedirea japonica
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:00

Yes, I have several. What do you want to know ?

Or, how about this. Treat it a bit like Neofinetia − i.e. grow in sphagnum
moss, doesn't mind being a bit above the pot with the roots outside the
clump of moss before entering the pot/basket or whatever. Needs good light
to flower. Although it used to be considered to be an Aerides, ( Sedirea is
an anagram of that ) which implies, warmth, Malaya or Indonesia conditions
etc, in fact it will happily grow a bit cooler. I don't know how cool − some
Japanese things will stand frost they say ; if you want to experiment,
that's fine by me, but not with my plants.. I grow all my orchids with
Cattleya conditions.

Burnham have their "mother plant" which has half a dozen or more growths -
although it's a monopodial, it will do this as will Neofinetia − and I have
seen it with half a dozen long spikes on it too − but that's exceptional.
The best I have done so far is about 14 flowers n a single spike, but now
that I follow the above regime, my plant is getting bigger every year, so
here's hoping.

If you want a pic of the plant − not in flower at the moment, let me know
and I'll put one up/

Geoff

Peter Fowler wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Sedirea japonica

Has anyone grown the above plant, please. Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks

Peter F.

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sedirea japonica
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:45

Thanks Geoff for the info. I bought it from the chap on eBay which sells
the Neofinetia's. So I will grow it with them and see how it goes. I do not
think it is flowering size but it is growing well.

I would like to see a picture of your plant, please.

Thanks

Peter

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sedirea japonica
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 12:10

Herewith, pic of the Sedirea. It is in a 6 incvh basket, which will show
you the present size, but they do flower much smaller than this.

Geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paph. sanderianum(a)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:25

Growing orchids for 26 year's+ I only had one Paph. which was given to me by the late botanical artist, Barbara Everard. She grew mainly Paphs. in what I remember was a relatively small lean-to greenhouse.
I will not go into the long tale of the illegal importation of Paph. sanderianum. Edinburgh Botanical gardens had a couple of the plants and flowered one. It was painted and you could buy prints from Dick Warren, who at the same time grew some from seed. I think the initial seedlings were £20+ and I tried a couple later on when the price went down, with no luck. To cut it short , has any member ever flowered this plant and would have a picture of it. The chap who owned Exmoor Orchids , Peter Tremain, flowered it, but never saw it.

Peter F. ,Alton.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paph. sanderianum(a)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:45

I have never seen it in flower, and even to see its hybrids is a rare thing
, even as a member of the Paph Society for many years.

I have had seedlings from Dick Warren (Equatorial Plants) but been
unsuccessful, but that is not unusual , his flasks contain plants of say 1-
2 cm leaf-span at the largest (usually) and everyone finds them difficult.
This indeed is true of 95% of all seedlings sold , they are too small.

On the other hand, when I have bought paph species in flask ( before that
became too difficult for other reasons I won't go into now) from USA, the
average size of the seedlings was 5cm +. In terms of viability, that is a
whole different ball-game. I also buy Paph seedlings in flask from
Ratcliffes , I guess most nowadays are surplus flasks from EYOF, and they
are a similar size.

What a difference with the bigger size , one of the paphs I deflasked 26
months ago has the first flower almost fully open , I'll post when it is
quite out , and I have twenty or more plants now big enough to flower all
from paph flasks bought at the same time , the last time they had any on
offer I assume. I also have perhaps twenty different batches of deflasked
seedlings of other things, bought from various sources over the last two
years all still in my dew-point cabinet, and not big enough to come out into
the wide world, and years and years away from flowering.

The difference with the bigger seedlings I think is that they have been
re-plated once or twice, instead of just sold almost as soon as the leaves
can be seen Of course, most of Equatorial Plants sales (?) are to
professional nurseries, who can buy their flasks, re-plate themselves, grow
into big husky seedlings in flask, and then take them out and produce
flowering plants in a small number of years, We can't, unless we are going
to set up a lab of some kind.

Back to sanderianum , the other thing is that Dick sold those seedlings for
years and years , maybe still does ; I asked him once if he managed to get
Edinburgh to set a seed pod periodically , and the answer was no , it had
only been done once , but every time he de-flasks, there are a few
protocorms which are still proliferating , maybe he then divides them) which
sets him off again with a new mother flask

A sort of Peter Pan operation. Maybe they don't want to grow up and flower
even when they do leave the flask for the wide world ?

I wonder, by if Edinburgh still have the parent plant ? They have a National
Collection fo Dendrobes, too , but when I have been there , perhaps three or
four times in my life, I have never seen hide nor hair of any orchids
whatsoever. Perhaps they have them all in their herbarium , pressed and
dried and mounted.. or am I just a cynic ?

Geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paph. sanderianum(a)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:40

I knew Dick Warren quite well but have not spoken to him for years. I took his newsletter for 15+ years and bought a load of seedlings over the years.
95% did not grow to flowering size. As Geoff. said they were just too small.
Being an analytical chemist(retired) I made a glove box and grew my own orchids from seed. I could replate them and grow them on to a good size and had a better chance to reach flowering size. It took 3 years to flower Aspasia lunata. I used to buy seed from a BraIlian nursery ,Alvim Seidel.
I actually grew orchids from seed at the start using a large poly. bag wiped out with bleach. It worked quite well.

Peter F. Alton

Sent from my iPod

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Aerangis fastuosa
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 18:15

Here’s a couple of photo’s of my Aerangis fastuosa. It has done quite well this year with four spikes of about five flowers.
David

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Growing from seed
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:50

Hello peter − I often wonder how the early hybridists produced any plants
and have been reading my old 'Orchid Reviews'. They mention that Sir
Jeremiah Colman published privately a book on growing from seed and being
an amateur 'divulged secrets that those in the trade would not'. i have
tried several methods such as mossy bricks and round the parents roots
but, except for Disa, without success. I wonder if anyone has read that
book?
Regards, Alex

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Aerangis fastuosa
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 06:30

Beautiful, and so well grow. How much light does it get, I wonder ?

Geoff

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