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1—7 November

From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A question of names
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 04:20

Hi John ; I think since being a Blc it has been an Rsc, and goodness knows
what else − now perhaps (?) it's just a Cattleya − still the same plant.

It sounds, however, as though the "Taida" bit got dropped from your label
too .Maybe a whole batch of misprint labels ?

Geoff

John J. Rupp wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] A question of names

Geoff,
Your picture looks just like my Laeliocattleya Eagle Eye 'Victory'. I
purchased it in 2004, and the label clearly shows just Lc, not Blc. The
attached picture is from 2007, the last time I took its picture, as it was
good as anything I would have had since. I don't know if this helps or just
confuses the whole thing. Maybe mine is wrongly labeled.

John R

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Madness1
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:55

Hi Cyril,

I too grow my orchids indoors in a two bedroom flat.

I have always found the odonts and oncidiums a little tricky to grow in my conditions, so I have given up on them for the time being, however, if you want to discuss how I grow my orchids and have managed to supply extra lighting without much hassle do ask me and I can send you a few photos of my growing set ups.

Regadrs,

Francis

Cyril Whalley wrote:

Hi all

Would you say that madness could be defined as my being on my third Odontoglossum Crispum, third Rossioglossum grande,and third Rossioglossum Rawdon Jester all in eighteen months. Some succumed to black rot despite sulphur and much lanolin "stop rot!" I obtained the Rawdon Jester (latest) from Germany,a really well sized good qualaty plant. I am in my second childhood or rather teen years of fourty some years ago when I used to go to Mansell and Hatcher.
Now in retirement I am trying to grow orchids in a small flat manically trying different windows

Thank you Tricia for your running the forum

Regards Cyrus

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Pl. maculata2, Pl. maculata1
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:55

On a talk with Ian Butterfiled (National Holder of the Pleione collection), he said to me that Pl. maculata and any of its hybrids do need a warmer winter rest!

Very interesting indeed, after loosing my one last year for keeping it cold in the winter!

Regards,

Francis

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From: Cyril Whalley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Madness1
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:35

Hi Francis
I would be pleased to see how you grow your plants. I think that I am
conquering the rot by using Physan at 1 teaspoon per gallon in all water
which is soft tap water. Part of the problem has that the new plants
have seemed loose in the pot upon receipt and firming or re-potting has
disturbed the roots damaging them. Tonight is perfect for odonts, rain
and cool so going to bed leaving windows open.

Regards Cyril

On 01/11/2010 07:56, francis quesada pallares wrote:
> Hi Cyril,
> I too grow my orchids indoors in a two bedroom flat.
> I have always found the odonts and oncidiums a little tricky to grow
> in my conditions, so I have given up on them for the time being,
> however, if you want to discuss how I grow my orchids and have managed
> to supply extra lighting without much hassle do ask me and I can send
> you a few photos of my growing set ups.
> Regadrs,
> Francis

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Madness1
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:50

I have found that the only chemical that attacks rot is green or tellow sulpher powder. A puff twice a week dries the rot whereas water based compounds to me are not so effective.
I think the main problem is that sulpher is cheap and so cannot be any good
Regards

Cyril Whalley wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Madness1

Hi Francis
I would be pleased to see how you grow your plants. I think that I am conquering the rot by using Physan at 1 teaspoon per gallon in all water which is soft tap water. Part of the problem has that the new plants have seemed loose in the pot upon receipt and firming or re-potting has disturbed the roots damaging them. Tonight is perfect for odonts, rain and cool so going to bed leaving windows open.

Regards Cyril

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Madness1
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:10

The efficacy is due to drying up, rather than any special property of
sulphur. Another good material is cinnamon , the brown spice powder used in
making spicey foods. This is actually the bark of the cinnamon tree, dried
and ground up, and has an insecticidal function too , someone once noticed
that cinnamon trees don't have bugs on them !

I normally use sulphur, but if I have run out, then I pinch some cinnamon
fro the kitchen

geoff

Dennis Read wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Madness1

I have found that the only chemical that attacks rot is green or tellow
sulpher powder. A puff twice a week dries the rot whereas water based
compounds to me are not so effective.

I think the main problem is that sulpher is cheap and so cannot be any good

Regards

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: latest pics
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:05

I got into a bit of a muddle , doing too many things as usual , and end up
not knowing which of my recent pics I have sent ( rather over-enthusiastic
archiving of messages does not help ! ).

So if you have seen these before, then just ignore them. Comments ;

472 I had this labelled as Thai Sky, but doing some investigations I came to
the conclusion that Thai Sky is not a proper name ( should be Thailand Sky)
and this isn't it. I think it is probably Vandofinetia Twinkle.

473 Eria hyacinthoides , a much nicer form than the one I had , and showed ,
some years ago.

474 etc ; labelled as Dendrochilum longifolium, identical (?) to the plant
sold by Ian Plested as D magnum , but now authoratively (?) identified as D
macranthum.

477. labelled Bulbo lilaciflorum , seemed odd , whats lilac-like about this
? On checking I find its named for the lilac colour , so must be wrong.
WSever people have suggested that it is B orientale , and it is a dead
ringer for the pics of that species which I have found.

479 The pic I showed recently (?) un-numbered, when talking about the name.
Now correctly labelled with the Taida part inserted ; I think the difficulty
may ne that the Taida nursery calls all their plants Taida this or Taida
that, and maybe they don't even bother to put it on their labels ? Whatever.
The flower grew a further ½ inch is spread and the petals thickened ; one
can no longer see the sepals through the peals. Interesting this. I wonder
how long it is going to last , I wouldn't have given it more than a few days
when it opened, but now I think it could be weeks.

C. dowiana aurea. A lip to die for ! A young seedling, first flowering.

481 , IU call this my little sweetie. It's a snmall vandaceous plant from
the island of Luzon ( etc) no more than 5 or 6 inch span, single stem,
three spikes , 40 or more flowers. I would love to grow it into a multi-
lead specimen ( it is a monopodial, but these things often branch if they
are happy) , so it gets lots of TLC.

Geoff

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cymbidium dry flower buds
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:05

Hi all,

It has been kind of still in this group lately. -Geoff, I really like the
Dowiana. I have a hard time growing them ( it is a too cool / damp where I am
).

I have some new to bloom ( grown from flask ) Cymbidiums that are now flowering.
Several different clones, a Korean source I think. The are doing well most of
them no problems. But! a couple of them have buds dropping off before the
open. Has this happened to anyone? Basically I have them in the rain and when
a stalk sprouts and the buds appear I move them out of the tremendous rain we
have been having. to a covered dryer location and spray them with
an ammonia spray ( we have slugs buy the pound and when they eat one of my
flowers it really irks me). The majority do well all the buds open flowers
last long time... But I have had more than I care to have of the buds falling
off premature. I want to say they are drying and dying but the due change color
like the are going to die and slowly proceed to fall off. Roots are
tremendous,

If you have ever seen this I'd like to hear your thoughts, Ideas.

Thanks,

Jim

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cymbidium dry flower buds
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:40

The usual cause of this in UK is some atmospheric pollution − fumes from the
heating system, but that can't be your problem.

If the roots are good, they may come right next time ; I often find problems
on first flowering, but no problem next time.

geoff

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cymbidium dry flower buds
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 06:20

Hello Jim,
If the temperature is too warm the buds will drop off. We drop our night time temperature down to 10 deg C and they are OK. Anything much warmer than that and they turn yellow and drop off.
David

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cymbidium dry flower buds
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:15

10C???? ayei ya yai!!!!!!!!!! the same would happen to me!

Many of them are fine ( I bought a few of them from a local lab for $.20 each
and grew them for several years now). but a few only a few 10% are dropping
buds. It seems a nutrient thing or all this rain fungus?

Jim

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cymbidium dry flower buds
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:30

If it is fungus you ought to be able to see something apart from yellow buds
; and a spray with something should fix it − Physan, Permang of Potash,
Murphys copper fungicide − if you can get it ( it's been banned her − if you
drink a pint you turn green, and your something or other (buds ? leaves,
ears ? ) drop off.. But I don't think it is fungus anyway.

Geoff

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From: Sheila Bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cymbidium dry flower buds
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:30

Hi Jim, I can well understand your annoyance at loosing these flower buds, and I have to agree with David that here in the UK I would always associate this symptom with being moved from somewhere cool into a warmer place, especially being given higher night temperatures. Yes, here now through the winter months about 10C at night is what they seem to like (some of mine were still outside recently with night temps as low as 2C) All are now cleaned and debugged and back in the greenhouse and the spike count is better than I previously mentioned − perhaps down to the fright they got from the chilling ?
Well done at getting the seedlings to flowering stage,
Regards, Sheila

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Journals
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:10

I have just got my OSGB journal and noticed it costs £16pa whereas the RHS
Review is £29pa. Seems a huge difference and hard to see why. They are
pretty similar in size and layout but perhaps the OSGB one is run by
volunteers.
Regards, Alex

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Journals
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:50

I have not previously had these Journals except as part of my sub to the
Society concerned − the OSGB sub was £20, I think , and the RHS a lot
more....very expensive if the journal seems to be the only part of the
membership which is appreciated, for whatever reason ( not necessarily the
fault of the Society ! )

As to OSGB, I regarded it as something of a worthwhile charity , although
got a bit offended when I thought it was cheating at shows − that depends on
what you think is fair, of course. One occasion I have in mind was a World
Orchid Congress when my Society was pushed into second place in the judging
for Society stands by OSGB who used a large quantity of plants in flower on
their stand , plants they had bought at that same show... we take our
competitive events a bit seriously, and I was annoyed to think my OSGB sub
had been used to defeat the Orchid Society where I owe my main allegiance ,
i.e. the one I actually go to...

I don't go to OSGB meetings generally − it is too far, and on the couple of
occasions I have gone in the last few years − since I moved to the south
coast, the car journey to the London meeting place was just too horrible to
contemplate − ( an hour or so to the outskirts of London, another hour to
within a mile or two of the hall, and another hour to actually get there...)
. I went to a show at Wisley a few years ago ( did quite well too, as I
remember it) but they don't seem to do that − go to Wisley − every year, and
sometimes when they do I am already booked for something else.

As to the RHS, I have been a member for most of the last 50 years, and went
to Chelsea, or Hampton Court in th more recent years, almost every year .
When working − up to 15 or so years ago- I could usually find an appointment
somewhere in London needing my presence for say an hour or two, whenever
there was a show on − which meant that when my client paid for my time and
expenses in the visit, I could take an hour or three to do my own thing free
of cost to me.. Nowadays, with fares and food prices and taxi fares too,
it's a different matter ; my wife will tag along for the ride and go
shopping etc, and I have spent three figures of sterling before I have
looked at a plant....

So , what with ever rising prices, and ever-falling pensions, I bit the
bullet earlier this year and resigned from both.

The difficulty of course, is to keep up with what is happening in the UK
orchid world ; discover if there a new show, or an old one moved, or
whatever. But between this site − hopefully ! direct mails I get from
traders ,, and some chat at my Orchid Soc., I reckon I'll struggle through.
I don't think I shall actually miss either journal.

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Journals
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:00

Geoff, Your comments on judgiing society displays at Orchid shows brings back memosies. At one of the Newbury Shows I had an altercation with one of the judges as the society given the best display had over a dozen Phals from a supplier in a prominent position ( Ihad seen them carried in). I was advised it was a display and so they did not have to have been grown by the society as it was a 'display'
When I pointed out that one had been awarded best Phal. ther were red faces and later the award was changed.
If the award is for a display there shpuld be one for true amateur displays and one for societies that can buy plants or have a nursery owner as a member,
At orchid shows it is pretty obvious the societies that have proffesional associationa,
End of rant
Regards

Geoff Hands wrote:

As to OSGB, I regarded it as something of a worthwhile charity , although
got a bit offended when I thought it was cheating at shows − that depends on
what you think is fair, of course. One occasion I have in mind was a World
Orchid Congress when my Society was pushed into second place in the judging
for Society stands by OSGB who used a large quantity of plants in flower on
their stand , plants they had bought at that same show... we take our
competitive events a bit seriously, and I was annoyed to think my OSGB sub
had been used to defeat the Orchid Society where I owe my main allegiance ,
i.e. the one I actually go to...

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shows, Judging etc.
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:40

Hi all,

Having read what Geoff and Dennis have said, I will say that I could not agree more. I feel sure that many of us would say.....'Been there, seen it happen, not much changes.'

Trouble is that 'The Hierarchy never have and most probably never will, take on board what it is all about.

ENCOURAGEMENT to keep the Shows going and most important of all, to get people interested in the hobby of growing orchids, or at least getting them interested in orchids.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shows, Judges etc.
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:10

To carry on my moan about many of the 'Hierarchy, I think that it is a shame that many orchid people know very little,

ABOUT OUR OWN ORCHIDS.

These images of the Autumn Ladies Tresses were taken this afternoon.

And yes, the leaf rosettes are very difficult to find...............unless you know exactly where they grow, even then without the old flower spikes and the little brown seed pods it would be very difficult indeed.

Notice how you can easily mistake the spikes for heather/ling!!!

But the leaf rosettes are doing very well.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Journals
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:00

Thanks Dennis. Perhaps I ought to add, to be fair, that I can see the other side of the question too.

At these big shows- perhaps at all shows, it is necessary to make a commitment and book he space months ahead . The Orchid Society proposing to show does not know how well the display will be supported by members , and the members too if asked will say that they will bring what they have got out, but can t make any promises. So the Society arrives at the show and does not have enough plants to make a good display what can they do ? A poor display reflects badly on the Society, and is not good for the Show either so buying in is obvious.

And anyway , maybe I shouldn t complain too much as those plants bought for the display were sold to members afterwards at very cheap prices and I had a couple myself. ( and if this sounds a bit odd yes I was with the OSGB coach trip, although my plants went with the Bournemouth van and on the Bournemouth display too complicated to explain except, briefly , Bournemouth didn t run a coach, and OSGB did ).

geoff

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Journals
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:35

Yes Geoff − I can understand you feeling aggrieved that your subscription
helped to have your society beaten. Very irritating! Well distance is my
problem, the magazines are my only benefit but they are interesting and
well produced and the sub helps the orchid world in a small way I like to
think.
Regards, Alex

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