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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Lycaste Cassiopeia 'Wyld Peach' (2)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:25

I can understand the charm of Lycastes when I see this. Congrats !

Pity about those enormous aspidistra like leaves though , they turn me off.

Geoff


N & T Burgess wrote re [OrchidTalk] Lycaste Cassiopeia 'Wyld Peach' (2)

This is a plant bought back in 2007 for 5 at an OSGB meeting a deceased member's plant (Pepe, some people on the list will have known him).
I have tried it in several places hoping it would flower, to no avail, until now and it seems to be making up for lost time − seven in flower and two to go!
Very pleased with the colour, just wish the leaves were not so enormous.
Norma

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Lycaste Cassiopeia 'Wyld Peach' (2)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:10

WOW!

That is a beautiful plant!

Well done, Norma!

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Lycaste Cassiopeia 'Wyld Peach' (2)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:15

Norma, This is one of my favourite Lycastes and my plants arev just beginning to spike. I think thevreason it has decided to flower is that looking at the p-bulbs shrinkage it has been overwintered with minimum water. You are lucky to have bought a true ;Wyld Peach' and not one of the mis-named plants. You only get good flowers after good leaves and p-bulbs.
I hope you show it at the next meeting.
Regards Dennis

--- On Sun, 31/1/10, N & T Burgess wrote:

> This is a plant bought back in 2007 for 5 at an OSGB meeting a
> deceased member's plant (Pepe, some people on the list will have
> known him). I have tried it in several places hoping it would
> flower, to no avail, until now and it seems to be making up for
> lost time − seven in flower and two to go! Very pleased with the
> colour, just wish the leaves were not so enormous.
> Norma

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From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Lycaste Cassiopeia 'Wyld Peach' (2)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:05

Very Nice Norma, well done, and such a beautiful colour.

Pity, due to the auction, there is no Show Table at OSGB/London this weekend, I think even Henry would have had a few glowing words to say about this one!!
(for list members not associated with OSGB − Dr Henry Oakeley, OSGB President, holds the National Collection of Lycaste)
Sheila

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Dendrobium transparens (2), Dendrobium transparens, Dendrobium yondi gold, dendrobium yondi gold, Fu
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:45

Thats a tremendous D. transparens you have David, and looking it up on
Jay's list it is fragrant too but would need more warmth than I could give
it. i see geoff's nobile type has 7 trusses of blooms, I had some with 6
last year but the first of mine have only 4 trusses so far. I wonder if
last summer wasnt so good for them.
Regards, Alex

> Here are some photo's of two of my Dendrobiums today.
>
> The white Dendrobium transparens I got from Marie Selby Gardens in
> Sarasota Florida in 1997. It grows like a weed in my greenhouse and is a
> metre across now. This is only about a quarter of the plant, the rest
> being split up and given away over the years. It's flowering quite well
> considering how dark the weather has been this winter.
>
> The Dendrobium Yondi Gold I got from Florafest in Australia. It flowers
> without fail every year, and has a similar scent to Den speciosum which
> is in the parentage.
>
> David

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Dendrobium transparens (2), Dendrobium transparens, Dendrobium yondi gold, dendrobium yond
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:25

Alex
I used to grow it in the warm house but it got too big. I put it in the cool
greenhouse Min 12 deg C and it doesn't seem to mind
David

Alex wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Dendrobium transparens (2), Dendrobium
transparens, Dendrobium yondi gold, dendrobium yondi gold, Full greenhouse

> Thats a tremendous D. transparens you have David, and looking it up on
> Jay's list it is fragrant too but would need more warmth than I could give
> it. i see geoff's nobile type has 7 trusses of blooms, I had some with 6
> last year but the first of mine have only 4 trusses so far. I wonder if
> last summer wasnt so good for them.
> Regards, Alex

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Dendrobium transparens (2), Dendrobium transparens, Dendrobium yondi gold, dendrobium yond
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:35

The difference between cool house and warm house, for most of us − in fact
everyone (?) is the winter night temperature, above everything else.
Probably growing conditions in the growing season are just the same in both
-tell me I'm wrong ?
So your dendrobe has cooler nights in the winter, now ? that's just what
dendrobes need to flower !

Geoff

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Dendrobium transparens (2), Dendrobium
transparens, Dendrobium yondi gold, dendrobium yondi gold, Full greenhouse

> Alex
> I used to grow it in the warm house but it got too big. I put it in the cool
> greenhouse Min 12 deg C and it doesn't seem to mind
> David

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Dendrobium transparens (2), Dendrobium transparens, Dendrobium yondi gold, dendrobium yond
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:00

Geoff,
You are quite right about the night temps, and the growing conditions in the
Summer are probably hotter due to less shading in my cool house. Suits
dendrobiums very well. The only difference is that it flowered much earlier,
around Christmas time, and now it's about 6 weeks later. I must admit that
the flower count was much higher when grown warm, but it is very forgiving
and does well in both conditions.
David

"Geoffrey Hands" wrote:

> The difference between cool house and warm house, for most of us − in fact
> everyone (?) is the winter night temperature, above everything else.
> Probably growing conditions in the growing season are just the same in
> both
> -tell me I'm wrong ?
> So your dendrobe has cooler nights in the winter, now ? that's just what
> dendrobes need to flower !
>
> Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A New Hybrid
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:05

Way back in about 1995 I crossed Zygopetalum Artur Elle 'Stonehurst' with Epidendrum sophronitis. This was after a RHS Orchid Show where I listened in on an impromptu talk being given by an elderly North of England Hybridiser He said Zygos will cross with any orchid and were very easy to pollinate.
My Z. Artur Elle was in flower as was my little Epi. sophromnitis . I got a pod on the Zygo. I planted the seeds and had two trays of seedlings when I moved to Devon eight years ago. Un fortunately I was let down by my Greenhouse erector and all my orchids spent the winter in my garage. Only one of the Zygo crosses survivedand this is it.
The bloom is 8cms wie and the lip is 3cm across and no scent. The petals and sepals are virtually black (but the photo does not show it ) with less yellow breaks than Z. Artur Elle 'Stonehurst' The internet shows many Z. A E S but mine came from the Stonehurst Nursery and is the same as the RHS Award painting. When mine flowers I will post pictures again.
This raises two points − 1. there is no Zygopetalum X Epidendrum registered and 2. I have been advised that Epidendrum sophronitis is now Kalopternix sophronitis.
Is there an RHS expert lurking that could advise.
Regards

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: An orchid a day, keeps the doctor at bay...
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:45

297 Lc Hsin Buu 'Red Lady' These flowers are an amazing rich intense, dark
, but glowing red colour, which the web can't handle. Nice size − about 10
cm , lasting well too. That yellow throat sets the flowers off nicely. A
meristem I assume , and available from Akerne. Put it on your list !

Paphs grown not as well as they might be, simply don't flower; you see
growths, which slowly mature ( how slowly you simply don't appreciate, until
you grow them well, and then you wake up and understand that grown properly
you can almost see them grow ; certainly you are conscious that growths are
bigger every time you handle them ( I'm assuming that is weekly or less,
rather than daily ! ). But slow or slower, they start another growth without
flowering on the last one. When your culture improves , then you start to
see flowers, but they will be a bit smaller than they might be, and in the
case of mongrels, aka hybrids, rather poorer too ; only when you get better
and better, will you see what they can really do. My paphs last grew
superbly well , if I can be immodest and say so, in the house before the
last one, from which I moved in '96. I usually had 50 or more plants in
flower all through from autumn to spring, from a collection of say two or
three hundred plants − including seedlings etc. They grew moderately at the
next house, and after a great burst of flowers ( severe stress ! ) when I
first came here in '04, they went backwards rapidly. It has taken several
years of head scratching, trying this and that, and lately the number of
plants in flower has started to increase and I can again see some of them
growing. But flowers as yet are small − and in the case of 298, P.concolor,
there is a flower and a bud ; better grown there will be a count of three or
even four on each flower stem. But being an optimist, I think I'm getting
there.

P.Hayward Booth has got there. Four flowers on this kind of hybrid is quite
good ; five only on a strong plant probably with multiple growths, and they
take several years to get there ; in fact I don't expect to see the first
flower in under 7 years from flask, and then a count of 3 would be
excellent. Flowers about 9 inches natural spread − since taking the pic a
second has opened. I do hope it will not go too fast − I want it in
perfection for my OS show towards the end of the month.

I will show the Rhynco species again ; usually it is a good white, fading to
pink ( hence the varietal name to distinguish it from others I have ); I
have never noticed the pale yellow blotching before. Different light is the
answer I think.

I put in 304 as I know some people are interested in roots ( I am ! ) and
some folk think that only phallies can be grown in transparent pots. I think
it is not unnatural for any epiphyte − and it is jolly useful to see how
good the roots are without knocking it out.

Cattleya x-hardyana − the x is deliberate, to indicate that this is a
natural hybrid. A first flowering on a plant bought in the summer just gone,
and hence having only the few roots produced since then. Consequently the
flowers don't open well, and no doubt all parts of the flowers will improve
when it is established, but I wanted to show you the fabulous lip. It really
is something.

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: London Orchid Show
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:55

Does anyone know who is coming to London this year ?

The RHS web-site is as usual silent on the subject. I can't even find a
contact to e-mail asking the question.

I imagined that it would be UK and Europe only , with the latest daftest
CITES ( one hundred pounds per genus..and the same to export any unsold
plants.) but on looking at a few websites I see that both Ecuagenera and
Orchids del Valle will be there, but Floralia again will not ( and offer to
mail an order from Germany when they attend a show there in May) . The Far
East people are the ones with the inexpensive interesting stuff (
relatively) and at therfe is no info about them.

At Peterborough, I see that there are three from Taiwan, one from Malaysia,
and one from Japan signed up , and one of the South American nurseries
(Ecuagenera).

I don't have a lot of room in greenhouse, and at present have not made my
mind up about which or both or none to visit.

More info would help.

geoff

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From: Bill Haldane
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A new Hybrid
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:20

Dear Dennis,
Congratulations! Thanks for showing us that amateurs can still create new hybrids that are of interest. Perhaps you can let us see the next flowering of your plant when it will be stronger.
Regards Bill

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A New Hybrid
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:15

This is very interesting Dennis it looks like a true hybrid.

I am aware that the line of Zygos inc. Artur Elle is very peculiar in hybridising ; people crossed them starting from the species Z mackayii or its synonyms, and they always seemed to end up like just another, maybe slightly better, Z.mackayii ; so much so that one suspects that the foreign pollen simply produced a 4n version of the seed parent. I think it is also true to say inevitably that the Zygo was always the seed parent, and when used in the reverse cross, it didn t take.

But your flower is so so different.

Of course you don t have to worry about what the genera is called, or what name to register under ; the Registrar takes advice from Kew about these things. But you might get to name a new genus how about Dennisreedeara ? ( George Black did so many unusual crosses which turned out to be the first, and hence involved creatrion of a new genus, that he ran out of names, and used combinations like the one I suggest ). BTW trhe registrar will want a ;pic and this one should be convincing I think !.

geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: names...
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:20

There is a piece in the OSGB journal very recently arrived about the latest
set of name changes. I haven't entirely taken it in yet, but two items are
so major as to be worth a mention , and if enough members don't get to see
the OSGB journal maybe someone, even me, will summarise in more detail.

But basically, odontoglossums are no more. They are all oncidiums now. ( the
difference it seems was simply a matter of the angle of one part of the lip,
to the column ; and there were so many difficulties with this, that making
them all oncidiums seems right.)

And remember when we had Cattleyas, Laelias and Sopronitis ? And then the
laelias − most of them became sophronitis ? Now we don't have laelias (
except for that minority ) OR sophronitis... They are all Cattleyas...

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] names...
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:40

Geoff, I'm glad you are also taking time for it all to sink in. I have just made new labels fr my collection and it seems that my Maclellanara will be something else.
I think I will wait for a couple of months before taking the plunge
Regards

--- On Sat, 6/2/10, Geoffrey Hands wrote:

> There is a piece in the OSGB journal very recently arrived about
> the latest set of name changes. I haven t entirely taken it in
> yet...

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Winter weather, and 'Name that Plant'.
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:35

Good afternoon to you all,

I did venture down the garden to my greenhouse just now, temperature outside about eight degrees Fahrenheit. This Winter has been far too long and far too cold, and I must tell you all that at seventy two years young I am beginning to get a little short tempered with this weather.

When we had that very cold spell, with ice that was so slippery that the hospitals were inundated with broken limbs and the snow caused so many problems, that I did not venture 'down the garden' for some weeks.

Not surprising that I see a few orchids, and luckily only a few, that will end up being thrown out.

However, at long last I feel the need to get into my greenhouse and start doing something.

My photos are as follows:-

Dendrobium speciosum.......now about thirty something years old. Seven spikes this year. Close up not up to my standard.

Cymbidiums................any idea of a name please?

Seems as if I will be paying much more attention to our native orchids from here on than to growing the 'Greenhouse types'. No, I am not selling any, nor throwing any away, just will most probably not buy any more and stick with what I have.

Cheers for now, hope to see the sun one day.

Rodge.

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Zygo cross.
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:40

Hello Dennis
I do not know how correct it is but the general feeling out here is that no
matter what you cross a Zygopetalum with, the result is generally a
zygopetalum.
There may be a difference in the colour and it may or may not have any
perfume. It seems as though in this case the Zygo, seems to act as though it
was selfed and that the pollen from the other plant (No matter what) simply
acts as though it was self fertilized.

I have seen several plants that were a crossing of two different genus with
one being a zygo, but invariably they all look like the zygopetalum shape.

Most interesting!!

Max.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fw: [OrchidTalk] Zygo cross.
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:35

Max, That is basically what the man said when I 'earwigged his talk'. He said that it was almostimpossible not to get a pod on a Zygo. The other piece of info was always use a drop of spit on the tooth pick when removing the pollina − it is a good adhesive and he believed it aided the
process.
Regards

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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Winter weather, and 'Name that Plant'.
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:30

Speaking of the weather......

Our drought has broken at last after having no rain since last November. We had 0.2MM in the raingauge yesterday.....Yippeee.

I am not sure what that is in yards, feet and inches but it's not much of any of them.

Tony

Roger Grier wrote:

> Good afternoon to you all,

> I did venture down the garden to my greenhouse just now,
> temperature outside about eight degrees Fahrenheit. This Winter
> has been far too long and far too cold, and I must tell you all
> that at seventy two years young I am beginning to get a little
> short tempered with this weather.

> When we had that very cold spell, with ice that was so slippery
> that the hospitals were inundated with broken limbs and the snow
> caused so many problems, that I did not venture 'down the garden'
> for some weeks.

> Rodge.

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