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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:00

Put the e-mail addresses into your "Contacts" and it won't happen again.
David

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.

> Hi all,

> Some of the E-mails that I receive from the 'Club Members' arrive
> in my 'Junk Mail' folder.

> Today, Geoff's and Jim's arrived there????

> Any idea why?????

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:25

I never said that it was deathless prose. Probably junk is the right place
for most I write... (joke)( or serious ? )

Why computers do things is only understood by geeks and nerds ; none of them
round here.

(BTW I googled the words, lest I misuse them) ; I do not think that anyone
who reads this is likely to be a carnival performer who does disgusting acts
( a geek) but I meant it in the "computer geek" sense.

geoff

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.

> Hi all,

> Some of the E-mails that I receive from the 'Club Members' arrive
> in my 'Junk Mail' folder.

> Today, Geoff's and Jim's arrived there????

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:45

Roger, it seems to be a problem with some/all of the 'Spam" programs. I get Orchid-talk thru Yahoo and have a number of group e-mails go into spam plus personal emails. Could be the virus programs used by the providers also.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:00

happens to me to the email service providers have some sort of algorythm to detect spam and often there is some "flaws" in the methodology, I have a not-spam icon that sems to help,

Jim

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:40

At least 10 % of the groups emails fall in the 'Junk Mail' folder. About 25% of my 'Junk Mail' folder is from the group. It's not hard to find them. I use 'Linux Mint' and I don't use a anti virus program. I just think that Linux is trying to help me.

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From: Ed Deckert
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:25

It is possible that the spam filter is treating a word − or words appearing in the email subject line (or even the text of the email) as being indicative of "Spam" email − and is pulling those emails out based solely on that criteria.

Ed

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium No Name
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:50

Does anyone know the name of this Dendrobium hybrid? I bought it at the
end of May at the OSGB. It was one of the remnants from the Wisley
orchid show and Henry twisted my arm for £2.00. I had no idea what the
flower was like or a name for it. I repotted in my own compost and put
it in the warm greenhouse with my Phals, I was surprised how fast it
responded with the new growth and a flower spike. I have included a
photo of the roots for Roger to examine!!!!
David

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From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium No Name
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:25

I suspect it is one of the Dendrobium Burana hybrids − there are many; Green, Green Star, Gold Star, etc. All seem to have that pure celery green in the petals and sepals.
It is a beauty.
Regards − Nancy

"To be beloved is all I need,

And whom I love, I love indeed."

-----Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1772-1834)

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium No Name
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:30

Hi David,
Possibly Emma Gold.
Gordon.

--- On Sat, 1/8/09, David Martin wrote:

> Does anyone know the name of this Dendrobium hybrid? I bought it at the
> end of May at the OSGB. It was one of the remnants from the Wisley
> orchid show and Henry twisted my arm for £2.00. I had no idea what the
> flower was like or a name for it. I repotted in my own compost and put
> it in the warm greenhouse with my Phals, I was surprised how fast it
> responded with the new growth and a flower spike. I have included a
> photo of the roots for Roger to examine!!!!

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium No Name
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:40

Could be lots of different ones that are very similar but possibly Den
Thongchai Gold as it is often available here. Very nice roots what ever it
is!

Andy

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium No Name
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:10

Beautiful roots !
( nice flower, too...)

But who can name a hybrid like this ?

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium No Name
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:15

BTW , I meant to say ; all my D. superbum − D. Phal type...( and antelope
sect. Hybrids ) have produced amazing flower spikes recently − 20, even 30
flowers... the weather in June, perhaps ? Or just my fantastic culture. How
have others fared ?

geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Ron Newstead
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:00

As my Sargeant -Major used to say when I was one of His Majesties soldiers (
almost 60 years ago − hard to believe...) ....."as you were"....

In short, my missus told me it was my turn to ring Betty Newstead and
commiserate etc... and then I found myself talking to Ron. He is home, the
diagnosis was changed, and whilst he is not exactly fighting fit, he was at
least well enough to have a belly laugh when I asked him if he was up to a
visit to Vietnam with me next year to look at some dendrobes in the wild .
He can walk downstairs slowly ( although they are having one of those
chair-lifts/stair-lifts installed − after all he is 84 and has had triple
by-pass surgery − not quite sure what that means, and hope I never do know)
and moreover he can walk up again faster than he came down.

I enquired about the orchids − kicked myself as I said it − and he said they
are all OK − the greenhouse is all automatic...but he hasn't been to look
for months ( I don't want to disillusion him..)

Whatever. Nice to send better news about an old friend ( I first met him in
the jungle looking at orchids − maybe 12 years ago....) which means "old" is
how long I have known him ; he can't be old yet, not when his age is only in
two figures.

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: David's Dendrobe.
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:50

Hi David,

I have had a good look at those magnificent roots and I know that you will be highly chuffed with them.

I looked very carefully at what I could see in the pot.

1. A piece of polystyrene.
2. Some pieces of either: Coco nut husk/cork pieces/maybe pieces of Sequoia bark???
3. Most important.....many open spaces/airways.

How did I score?

Cheers, Rodge.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] David's Dendrobe.
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:15

Hello Rodge,
Almost correct, one stray piece of polystyrene, the rest is chopped up wine corks, Fir bark and sponge rock (large perlite) That's an A-
David

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:10

Hello David,

No doubt you have seen all of the replies from several Members, but to me, yours seems the most assured. So, what exactly do you mean by 'Contacts', and can you give us all a step by step process please.

Cheers, Rodge.

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.

> Put the e-mail addresses into your "Contacts" and it won't happen again.

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Off orchid complaint.

> > Hi all,

> > Some of the E-mails that I receive from the 'Club Members'
> > arrive in my 'Junk Mail' folder.

> > Today, Geoff's and Jim's arrived there????

> > Any idea why?????

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:40

Hi all,

You guys are pretty hard to stump, but I'll keep trying. Anyone have one of these?

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: meters and mixing
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:50

Geoff,
Lets see if I understand: So when my water comes out of the tap and into the bucket at 15C and the air is 23C, the reading will change while we are waiting for the temperature of the water to stabilize. so to get my EC 800 I put X grams into my 18 liter container. this will measure 800 at 23 but at 15 it is much lower more like 400, so.... it is the same amount of fertilizer.... do we need to fertilize with room temperature water? or just measure in room temperature?

Jim

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Re: meters and mixing

> The meter will show a different reading for each temperature
> e.g.the Hanna buffer solution for EC reading calibration would show
> 1413 (uS) at 25 C., 1548 at 30C, but only 1278 at 20 C and so on.
> But its all the same mix. Maybe 1300 is the limit you could give (
> by way of example) without root scorch but what matters is the
> reading when you apply it, not what it might be later or has been
> earlier.

> Now, when the meter comes out of your pocket into a water based
> solution it will have to adjust to the new temperature ( your water
> and air temperatures are never the same ! ) so the meter will
> change it s reading whilst this happens.

> Secondly, when you add nutrients to water , various things happen ;
> I won t make a fool of myself explaining chemistry which I have
> forgotten, but it is all normal and expectable. It s not only in
> the first minutes either ; leave the bucket of mix overnight, and
> tomorrow you will get different readings. Some things are only
> slowly soluble ; some things react with other things to produce
> different compounds, and so on. It doesn t mean that the meter is
> unreliable, nor that the readings don t matter. If your plants want
> mix at pH 6.0, and your mix is right on the button today ., but
> after a few days has changed to pH 7 it doesn t mean that the mix
> is correct because it once was pH6. For various reasons the pH has
> changed and since your roots will take up that mix when you pour
> it on the plants, it has to be right when you pour it on.

> Hope this all makes sense Jim !

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From: ema.orquideas Perú
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:55

I only have this : Polycycnis aff. trullifera.

Regards

Erica

Erica Morón de Abad

www.biorquidtropic.com

j mateosky wrote re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?

> Hi all,
>
> You guys are pretty hard to stump, but I'll keep trying. Anyone
> have one of these?

Jim

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Jim's plant.
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:00

Hi Jim,

Erica sure was quick on the draw with the correct answer. As far as I am concerned that is what is it. But that does not end the story.

You asked..............................Anyone have one of these? I do not, but I sure would like to own one, that is if I have the correct conditions. And your photo of the complete flower spike with that lovely garden in the background...wow!

Cheers, Rodge.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] David's Dendrobe.
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:20

Hi David,

I saw that 'greyish' item and I thought to myself that it might have been one of the so called 'Modern made items'. Did you ever read the article from Fennel orchids back a few years about their 'E-Z Pot 'n grow'??? If you would like to read it, then I think I can find it in my 'Orchid Portfolio'. Sounds posh, actually its a lever arch folder bulging with odds and sods from over the past forty years or so. Surprising what's in there!

Rodge.

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] David's Dendrobe.

> Hello Rodge, Almost correct, one stray piece of polystyrene, the
> rest is chopped up wine corks, Fir bark and sponge rock (large
> perlite) That's an A-

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:25

A genus which has escaped my notice, hitherto. And one I can't recall
seeing on offer. But interesting !

Geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?

> Hi all,

> You guys are pretty hard to stump, but I'll keep trying. Anyone have one of
> these?

|| (polycycnis barbata)

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: meters and mixing
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:30

You need to measure with the water you are going to use at the point of use best at air temperature I think.

I mix up a 100 litre container, and keep taking measurements and when necessary adjusting all the time I am using it ; like every 10-15 minutes. But most of my watering is either dunking in that container or spraying with it. I don t use a watering can ; in general; I want to handle every plant every time I water I may not have as many plants as you of course !.

Geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: meters and mixing

> Geoff,

> Lets see if I understand: So when my water comes out of the tap
> and into the bucket at 15C and the air is 23C, the reading will
> change while we are waiting for the temperture of the water to
> stabalize. so to get my EC 800 I put X grams into my 18 liter
> container. this will measure 800 at 23 but at 15 it is much lower
> more like 400, so.... it is the same amount of fertilizer.... do
> we need to fertilize with room temperature water? or just measure
> at room temp water? I ssume the fert has the same effect at a
> cooler temp ?

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:30

Well, I'll put that on my list of wants !

geoff

ema.orquideas Perú wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?

> I only have this : Polycycnis aff. trullifera.
> Regards
> Erica

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobiums, David's and others.
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:20

Hi all,

David's Dendrobium, of a type that I know well..........it's that type that in my opinion looks so great in an Orchids Nursery, Show bench, or Garden Centre, and it is so very often the type that does not respond to our treatment at all. Quite often they refuse to grow whatever we do. I often wonder if they are fed with 'Growth Inhibitor'.

To be quite honest I have tried some of these tall caned Dendrobes over the years and so have friends of mine. They do seem quite often to fall into the category that I have described. Of course some people find them so readily to obey their owners requirements, but I do think that is a minority case.

Perhaps we can have some input from all over this planet of ours.

On to David's photo of the magnificent root run. Only thought that I have goes like this; if the plant grows well and the canes grow to about twelve inches or more, will the plant be very easy to topple over?

To give you something to chew over re my questioaire, I have a Dendrobe which fits into the category that we are discussing, and it has done hardly nothing these last two years. A few months ago it showed two new growths, and a further two 'eyes' up the canes. Tallest cane is about eighteen inches tall. Any ideas why this plant seems loath to make any good growths.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums, David's and others.
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:00

Dendrobiums , phalaenopsis section, require more light than we usually give
to our orchids. If you visit the big nurseries in Bangkok − Kultana for
example, or KJ, you will see that the large flowered Vandas are grown under
50% shade cloth , but these dendrobiums are grown outside the shade area in
virtually full light..

I have noticed that the few I have are all doing very well for flowers this
year ; I have had a couple with spikes of more than 20 flowers. I put this
down to the very sunny weather we had in the first half of the year ; mine
hang up in the roof with the Vandas − and in fact it has been rather too
bright for them ( despite what ignorant people say about " you can't grow
Vandas in UK the light isn't good enough"- the results I regularly show
disprove that anyway. But this year some of my Vandas are getting rather
freckled − a bit too much light ! − and this is seems is what these
dendrobes want. Of course, as ever in UK, reality sets in, and whilst I was
thinking of another layer of shade, the regular showers/downpours/grey
clouds in July is putting it all right − my lawn has rarely been lusher.

Geoff

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:00

Geoff,

These are very hard to come by, not many people here are familiar with them. And it has been hard to polinate. It certainly is different. hasbulbs, leafs some what like lycaste/stanhopea. it is unique.

Jim

Geoff wrote:

> A genus which has escaped my notice, hitherto. And one I can t
> recall seeing on offer. But interesting !

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: more pics from me.
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:10

113a ; I have shown Cirrho roxburghii earlier this year on a previous
flowering ( it flowers every few months) but this is the best yet − some 14
spikes. It's in a half seed-tray btw − one of these 8 x 6 inch or
thereabouts, jobs..

159a; Prosthechea also known as Encyclia ( and even more alternatives)
lancifolium. Again I think I showed it with 3 or 4 flowers ; it seems to
last for months, getting better all the time ; someone suggested o me the
other day that these "cockleshell" types can be ever-blooming. I am near
believing it.

164 . One of my dendrobes of the kind Roger has been talking about , to show
that 20 flowers is not a surprise − this year at least. Nameless − but
that's the way it is with these flowers bred for the cut-flower market ( I
always find a couple − of flowers, not plants ! − on my pillow staying in
some hotels in Malaysia, Thailand, etc )

165 The spotty Ascda. I was delighted with this ; the best of it's kind that
I have seen so far. One of several I bought from Laurence last year, I
think.

166. This super little dendrobe actually has four growths and four spikes
but I can't seem to get them all on the pic at the same time. Very easy to
grow − I just spray it most days. This is the species I saw growing in North
Thailand in such profusion on one mountain. It had to be called an
opportunistic orchid. It grew on the ground − terrestrial, on vertical cliff
faces ( lithophyte) on trees ) epiphyte) and I even found one growing on a
stag's horn fern − an epiphyte growing epiphytically on another epiphyte . I
guess it may not be long lived in nature , but the area where I saw it had
been burnt through a few years before, so maybe this is one of these early
colonists.

167 Bulbo carunculatum. Georgeous "in yer face" colours , but not very
long-lasting flowers. Orchid Digest for this quarter had a good feature on
modern bulbo hybrids ( some) in this section of the genus, and big bright
and beautiful they are too . I have not seen them in commerce, suspect they
are a private collection enthusiasts production.

168 Don't know if the name is true − Wilsonara Japan. I would have expected
something more exotic ! It's not in Wildcatt , and my Wiz has not yet
managed to sail up the channel.

169 One of the earliest plants in my collection was a sample of this species
; Burnham Nurseries, in those days run by Brian's dad, had the charming
habit of including a bonus plant, when you ordered a few plants from the
mail-order monthly newsletter ; and B gutulatum ( variously misspelled as
gututulaatum and many other variations on a nervous tic in the typing
fingers, was one of them. ( I also remember that the newsletter from Burnham
was typed in an odd type-face imitating "joined up" writing, and folded
small and posted in a tiny brown envelope . But happy memories of my early
orchid days , buying plants at less than one pound sterling each...). I
still think it's a pretty little thing.

170 Nice ascda ; what more to say ?

171I found this species easy to grow and multiply ( my two plants both have
several growths) but impossible to flower. Spikes are produced and then
abort. I decided it was light − too much of it ; so put them both under the
shade of some large-leafed plants instead of hanging up near the roof. Both
liked this ; the best had half a dozen spikes, most of the buds managed to
get as far as flowering. Next year maybe they all will. Or maybe it will
flower here but not grow ?

172 The plant came with this varietal name ( from Vietnam as I remember it).
I don't see any difference from the normal type, but the spike did last 3
weeks- which is very long for this section of dendrobes generally.

173 Lost label ; its obviously a multigeneric oncidium type ; flowers 3-4
cm on a spike of a dozen − but again, obviously could do much better. Such a
brightly coloured thing has to be either a meristem ( or, small chance that
is a prop from one of the late George Black's hybrids − he made several
thousand hybrids, and only a few were commercialised and meristemmed -
anything with Ash Trees in the name was his, as were the Withneras, the
Hamswellaras, etc ).

Any suggestions of what it may be ?

174. Nice vanda − I have several virtually identical apart fro the name on
the label.

175 I expect I have shown this Mokara before − they are the free-est
flowering of the strap-leaved vandaceous things for me, .

176. There are, I read, 3 species of Neofinetia, but this is the only one I
have ever seen. A goof pot-ful here, but it didn't want to flower, so I hung
it on the south gable of the greenhouse ( outside the door) and forgot it.
When I rescued it ( last September) it was sunburnt and scorched. Looked
awful. Over the winter most of the damaged leaves came off, and eventually a
couple of spikes came − as seen. I am struck by the length of the spurs − an
easy way of distinguishing the true species from the various look-alike
hybrids I think.

177. I always buy Gastrochilus when on offer ; there is not much difference
between any of the species I grow, although maybe this one has a better
scent than most, but I think they are lovely. 3 spikes here, from what is on
the way to being a pot-ful of growths.( I do like pot-ful's , so much better
than single growths ; I don't divide unless the thing is getting too big, as
a general rule nowadays,)

178 I quote the label ; but don't believe it. Its an ascda I think.

179 I like Peggy Foo hybrids ; some folk don't . Can't think why.

Time to go and do some watering now...

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:20

Yeah ; Peruflora used to be able to find this kind of thing for me, but it seems that they have some new CITES rule in Peru permits are allowed for export of Peruvian natives ( orchids) but not for foreign ones. Sounds quite barmy to me ! I would have thought that if they want to conserve their flora, it should be the other way round. What on earth is the point of stopping Peruflora from selling me a Columbian orchid ?

However, there are now about 3 orchid specialists from Venezulea, Brasil, and Columbia who come to the European shows, and generally will hunt out South/central American species I want and bring them here for me.

BTW your plant is prettier than the one shown in the Orchid Species Encyclopaedia !

Geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?

> Geoff,

> These are very hard to come by, not many people here are familiar
> with them. And it has been hard to polinate. It certainly is
> different. hasbulbs, leafs some what like lycaste/stanhopea. it is
> unique.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums, David's and others.
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:55

Hello All,
I think the trigger for my Dendrobium flowering so well was the bright light and the heat in the greenhouse. I don't know what conditions it was kept in before I bought it but I doubt it was hot and bright. I think the repotting and then the heat of at least 30deg C and copious water once the new growth started initiated the spike. It was also from one of the smaller growths that had never flowered before.
I found a couple of names for it, Emma Green and Anna Green but which one? Probably different growers names for the same thing.
David

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:50

Hi all,

It does quite often amaze me how tolerant our orchids are, especially when we read of all the different types of culture that different people use the world over.

It really is quite amazing.

Geoff, Jim and many of you take great time and care with all sorts of measurements, which I no doubt give such enjoyment after all of the concentration [sorry about the pun] that is given to get the best out of the plants.

Then for myself, and maybe some others its just the case of shading in the summer months, no fans, no windows open, a bucket of water and a few spoonfuls of fertiliser.

The difference is vast, but how our plants keep us thrilled and of course scratching our heads now and then.

And then I look at the many very fat seed pods on a wild orchid in my garden, must be ten or more, containing MANY THOUSANDS OF SEEDS, and like Geoff's latest statement regarding CITES and Peru.......................'quite barmy', and I could not agree more.

I still think that CITES are way out of their depth when it comes to knowing what they should know about orchids.

Cheers, Rodge.

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From: Tony Garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: meters and mixing
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:30

Jim,
Hope I'm not too late and you have received an answer but here is what I would have recommended to my students:

If you are taking a reading immediately you start mixing, there will be a gradual change in reading until all the substances are in solution and you have a homogenous mix.

So....when the reading ceases to change, that is the reading you should take as being accurate.

It's a bit like taking one's temperature.......(who said anything about 'Swine Flue'?).

Hope this helps!

Tony G.

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Re: meters and mixing

> Ok folks now I am confused!

> I just got a meter, it says it is calibrated, so I started mixing
> and measureing at first it seemed ok but......

> how long do you wait after mixing to measure? the EC seems to
> rise in the first couple minutes? anyone else seen this? or am I
> missing something? any other things to watch out for?

> Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:30

Rodge,

Amazing is a good word, we generally talk about our successes, well I hate to admit it but most of my success come from me failing miserable and killing really nice plants, that is amazing in the opposite way. I started to measure because I "wiped out" several trays( read several hundred ) of small plants that were 2 months out of flasks. But boy did I learn that lesson well, it is still stinging.

The biggest lesson learned, the things that orchid are least tolerant of is a mix that holds to much water for plants that like to be dried out, cats for instance.

It is very amazing how tolerant these plants are of us humans and our experiments to get them to grow.

CITES ahhh, what is the definition of bureaucracy? Is CITES a good example of how goverments completly loose touch? In Costa Rica there are a few people that are trying to protect the native species and the governement and CITES ties our hands, but yet there are ten times ( probally hundreds) as many people that do not even know what CITES is stipping the forrests of these plants for them only to die and the pointy headed CITES people are no where to be found ahhh!

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:45

Geoff,

I have sent emails and fotos to Jay at Orchid Species Encyclopaedia but never get responses. I not why I certainly would like to help.

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:00

Me too − don't get answers despite him actually asking for help.

Some of his paph photos are awful ! And I have sent good ones, but they
don't even get acknowledged.

Sent him Encyc lancifolium this week, suggesting it replace the poor pic he
uses. No answer.

Geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?

> Geoff,

> I have sent emails and fotos to Jay at Orchid Species Encyclopaedia but
> never get responses. I not why I certainly would like to help.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ok anyone have one of these?
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:05

I guess they are busy down there in "Margarita-ville"

Jim

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:10

Hi there Jim,

See my comments in 'pink', which I am sure applies to many of us!!!

JIM MATEOSKY wrote
To: Orchid Talk List
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:31 PM
Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.

Rodge,

Amazing is a good word, we generally talk about our successes, well I hate to admit it but most of my success come from me failing miserable and killing really nice plants, that is amazing in the opposite way. I started to measure because I "wiped out" several trays( read several hundred ) of small plants that were 2 months out of flasks. But boy did I learn that lesson well, it is still stinging. And we still get stung. Especially when some unforseen critter chews off a nice bud........arghhhhhhhhhh!

The biggest lesson learned, the things that orchid are least tolerant of is a mix that holds to much water for plants that like to be dried out, cats for instance. Jim, I am sure you have orchids on your doorstep that you can see growing as per normal, attached to a tree or whatever. When it rains, they can soak up as much moisture as they want, and then when it stops raining, they can soak up what's left, BUT, then afterwards there is no mositure to be soaked up apart from the humid atmosphere. No soggy compost wrapped around the roots, that just like fresh air.

It is very amazing how tolerant these plants are of us humans and our experiments to get them to grow. Sure thing Jim, and it sure does keep us all going. Maybe a little crazy at times, but what the hell!

CITES ahhh, what is the definition of bureaucracy? Is CITES a good example of how goverments completly loose touch? In Costa Rica there are a few people that are trying to protect the native species and the governement and CITES ties our hands, but yet there are ten times ( probally hundreds) as many people that do not even know what CITES is stipping the forrests of these plants for them only to die and the pointy headed CITES people are no where to be found ahhh! Jim, what you say seems to going on the World over, so how do we get these people to listen to us????? I once offered to talk to the Customs people near my home to show them and tell them about importing orchids, but they did not seem interested. We will keep bashing away hoping that one day CITES and orchids will be sorted out.

Cheers Rodge.

Jim

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:20

Roger, whilst I have no objection to you colouring your comments pink
it would be helpful if you would also separate the quoted portions in
the accepted manner i.e. with quotation marks, so that those of us
who prefer plain text display can tell t'other from which.

Outlook Express does not do this automagically but a free plug-in can
be obtained from: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

Outlook users can get the relevant plug-in from:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

I have re-formatted your message to show you what I mean as I had to
do it anyway for the Digest version of the list.

Cheers,

Tricia

On 06 Aug, in article ,
Roger Grier wrote:
> Hi there Jim,

> See my comments in 'pink', which I am sure applies to many of us!!!
> ----- Original Message -----

> From: JIM MATEOSKY
> To: Orchid Talk List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.

> Rodge,

> Amazing is a good word, we generally talk about our successes,
> well I hate to admit it but most of my success come from me
> failing miserable and killing really nice plants, that is amazing
> in the opposite way. I started to measure because I "wiped out"
> several trays( read several hundred ) of small plants that were 2
> months out of flasks. But boy did I learn that lesson well, it is
> still stinging.

And we still get stung. Especially when some unforseen critter chews
off a nice bud........arghhhhhhhhhh!

> The biggest lesson learned, the things that orchid are least
> tolerant of is a mix that holds to much water for plants that like
> to be dried out, cats for instance.

Jim, I am sure you have orchids on your doorstep that you can see
growing as per normal, attached to a tree or whatever. When it
rains, they can soak up as much moisture as they want, and then when
it stops raining, they can soak up what's left, BUT, then afterwards
there is no mositure to be soaked up apart from the humid atmosphere.
No soggy compost wrapped around the roots, that just like fresh air.

> It is very amazing how tolerant these plants are of us humans and
> our experiments to get them to grow.

Sure thing Jim, and it sure does keep us all going. Maybe a little
crazy at times, but what the hell!

> CITES ahhh, what is the definition of bureaucracy? Is CITES a
> good example of how goverments completly loose touch? In Costa
> Rica there are a few people that are trying to protect the native
> species and the governement and CITES ties our hands, but yet
> there are ten times ( probally hundreds) as many people that do
> not even know what CITES is stipping the forrests of these plants
> for them only to die and the pointy headed CITES people are no
> where to be found ahhh!

Jim, what you say seems to going on the World over, so how do we get
these people to listen to us????? I once offered to talk to the
Customs people near my home to show them and tell them about
importing orchids, but they did not seem interested. We will keep
bashing away hoping that one day CITES and orchids will be sorted out.

Cheers Rodge.

> Jim

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:30

Point taken Boss.

"Tricia Garner" wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.

> Roger, whilst I have no objection to you colouring your comments pink
> it would be helpful if you would also separate the quoted portions in
> the accepted manner i.e. with quotation marks, so that those of us
> who prefer plain text display can tell t'other from which.
>
> Outlook Express does not do this automagically but a free plug-in can
> be obtained from: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>
> Outlook users can get the relevant plug-in from:
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/
>
> I have re-formatted your message to show you what I mean as I had to
> do it anyway for the Digest version of the list.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:40

You have reminded me how much work you do to keep this group running Tricia
; and there are only a dozen of us ( ? ) who often contribute − but rather
more lurkers I suppose. But it does need to be said occasionally , that we
do appreciate all the effort you put in ; or at least we appreciate the
group , even if we don't often remember the work you do ! Thank you.

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Tricia
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:05

I fully endorse what Geoff has said. Thankyou .
Regards from a windy but sunny Devon

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Photo
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:30

Hi all,

Having had another look at 'The Digest', I can now see that Patricia could do with all the help that we can give her....................and I would be the first to say that I was way behind in supplying such help.

To that end I have 'attached' a photograph of a Lesser Butterfly Orchid that I took in the New Forest in June.

I have put such information actually on the photo.

So, Tricia, does this help?

Regards, Rodge.

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:35

Tricia,

Even the 'lurkers' like me appreciate what you do!
Also, how is your husband progressing?

On the subject of 'water' Our electricity went off this morning at about
6.00 am (after a night of 50mm rainfall) and I have just discovered that it
was the 'earth trip' on our ring main leading to the Greenhouse. No sign of
what caused it to trip though! Certainly the fusebox in the greenhouse was
all at 'ON', so it remains a mistery for now.

Life is never/rarely easy!

Regards,
Tony G.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:00

On 07 Aug, tony garthwaite wrote:
> Tricia,

> Even the 'lurkers' like me appreciate what you do!

Thanks Tony, that's good to know.

> Also, how is your husband progressing?

Very well, I'm pleased to report.

> On the subject of 'water' Our electricity went off this morning at
> about 6.00 am (after a night of 50mm rainfall) and I have just
> discovered that it was the 'earth trip' on our ring main leading
> to the Greenhouse. No sign of what caused it to trip though!
> Certainly the fusebox in the greenhouse was all at 'ON', so it
> remains a mistery for now.

All very 'Twilight Zone', eh?

> Life is never/rarely easy!

You got that right!

--

Tricia

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Photo
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:05

On 07 Aug, Roger Grier wrote:
> Hi all,

> Having had another look at 'The Digest', I can now see that
> Patricia could do with all the help that we can give
> her....................and I would be the first to say that I was
> way behind in supplying such help.

You may think so, I couldn't possibly comment :-))

> To that end I have 'attached' a photograph of a Lesser Butterfly
> Orchid that I took in the New Forest in June.

> I have put such information actually on the photo.

> So, Tricia, does this help?

It certainly does, Roger. Excellent, in fact.

Thanks,

--

Tricia

Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertilisers, Water meters, and the like.
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:15

On 06 Aug, geoff hands wrote:

> You have reminded me how much work you do to keep this group
> running Tricia ; and there are only a dozen of us ( ? ) who often
> contribute − but rather more lurkers I suppose. But it does need to
> be said occasionally , that we do appreciate all the effort you put
> in ; or at least we appreciate the group , even if we don't often
> remember the work you do ! Thank you.

Thank you for the thanks, Geoff. It's true to say that I wouldn't run
the list if I didn't enjoy it but it does help when people co-operate
by following a few simple steps, which most do.

I agree with your figure for the regular contributors; if you add in
the more occasional ones I would estimate around 20 altogether. When
you take into account that there are 131 subscribers in total that's
quite a lot of lurkers! I do get messages from lurkers from time to
time saying that although they don't feel able to contribute they
enjoy being part of our community.

--

Tricia

Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off indefinitely.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Tricia
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:20

On 07 Aug, Dennis Read wrote:
> I fully endorse what Geoff has said. Thankyou .

Thanks Dennis. You are very kind.

> Regards from a windy but sunny Devon

Regards from sunny Hampshire − but boy did it rain yesterday!

--

Tricia

Time flies like the wind... Fruit flies like bananas.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dark rings on roots
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:30

Hello All,
Does anyone know the reason for the dark rings on the roots of my
Aerangis. It is in the warm greenhouse, is sprayed every day with very
weak feed approx 100-150 microsiemens.The position is well shaded. I
sprayed it with Dithane recently because a few of my Phals had a fungal
infection so that is what the yellow powder is. That hasn't affected it
because the marks on the roots have been there for a couple of years. It
has two spikes so is growing quite well and has two new side shoots. I
did read that dark rings on Vanda roots are caused by thrips but I can't
find any with a magnifying glass. There is one new root without a mark
growing upwards from the centre on one photo. Maybe it's caused by
growth spurts and the mark is when the root stops growing.
Any ideas please.
David

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