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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] What mount/plaque for Brassavola ?
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:55

Geoff,

By the way so that the brassavolas are not feeling lonely there are many orchids that are happy in the same environment Cats , catesetums, I really think the water often or a lot when mounted on "dry" mounts really helps. I have ran some comparisons. I gave some plants o some neighbors and they were very enthusiastic and actually grew there plants with fatter bulbs than mine.

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos.
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:55

You would have found that the BBC ( Countryfile) is very strict about
digital photos. They always suspect them of being "improved" − which for a
dedicated Photoshop fan is always a possibility. So any real suggestion of
"improvement" and the pic gets thrown out. Which means that the winners
have been altered ( of course) but by Photoshop workers whose skill is
sufficient to hide the changes . Cynical, but true.

geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] more look what I found today- looking for names
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:55

Jim,

Your pics all came out in monochrome − black and white , for me ?

geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mounting Orchids.
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:00

Interesting ; I looked more closely at two parts of a larger Brasso I
divided − perhaps nodosa ( it is labelled, but I'm being lazy) ; one- which
led to my comments and enquiries has roots going off tangentially into the
air, ignoring the pad of moss and the natural cork ( cork-oak). The other
put directly onto the cork has roots sticking to it and growing on it.

I am ordering some more from S.America to pick up at Dresden − but I am in
the meantime planning to rebuild my plaque-mounted plants area, and
(hopefully) put some automatic sprays in, for use when I am away from home
for a mere couple of days and it hardly seems worthwhile to bring in my
"looker-after" man ( and pay him...). By that time I may have a little
experience with epiweb, but I must say it looks to be very dry stuff indeed
!

geoff

Andy wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Mounting Orchids.

> I grow Brassavola perrinii on mounts. Photo 1 shows the roots of one I grow
> on reconstituted cork and 2 is a bit I put on hawthorn bark a year ago. It
> had no roots at the time I attached it and is now very well rooted. 1 is in
> cool conditions and 2 intermediate, both in bright light and sprayed once or
> twice a day. ...

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] What mount/plaque for Brassavola ?
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:05

Yes Jim ; I have not got enough nerve to try any of my catasetums ( which
generally seem to grow very well for me in plastic pots, using Perlite as
the "comp[ost" and hanging up with the Vandas.) But I would like to grow
some cattleyas this way − trouble is that it costs ten pounds sterling for
a young plant... however I have a few LC hybrid com-pots, ex-flask seedlings
in my growing cabinet, and maybe within a year will have enough big enough
to try out − especially if I can get the automatic misting bit working.

Geoff

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: look what I found ( not in black & white ) 4 stanhopias
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:10

Ok,
Somehow I fatfingerd and saved them as black & whites sorry about that, I think this time it should be ok. here are 4 Stanhopias that showed off there beauty this week. I put some names on them but these plants are tricky for me to id correctly, so feel free to correct me if I am mistaken. Thesse flowers are fragrant!!!!

Jim

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mounting Orchids.
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:00

I find some types start rooting onto the mount very quickly and others may take much longer to adhere. As long as the plant is growing new roots I wouldn't be concerned. Some types seem to like having a lot of dangling roots that I presume are absorbing moisture and nutrients but are not required for anchoring the plant. The pics show Cattleya aclandii and Angraecum didierii. Both of them have plenty of anchors on the mount but product lots of root that seem to respond more to gravity.

Andy

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Andy's mounted orchids
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:45

Mornin' Andy,

Two very good images showing the type of items that make it all worth while, but I must disagree with you on one point.

You mention the fact that there are plenty of anchoring roots, but many that seem to like to respond to gravity.

Having met up once and thoroughly enjoyed our chat I must say that in the case of your roots that have responded to gravity that you must be having a laugh with us. Bloody hell mate..........no wonder they are hanging down in mid air.....there is no bark or mount to anchor to. Could you have not chosen a larger mount !!!

Keep sending the cooler weather this way.

Cheers, Rodge.

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Andy's mounted orchids
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:40

As usual Roger you express your notions with some conviction, though I don't know that that helps them stand up any better.

I don't think it likely that the roots are growing down because the mount is too small. For a start how do they know which way is down? It is a geotropic response − ie to gravity. The direction of root growth is in response additionally to water, chemicals, light and touch.

The point I was making was that if the plant is well anchored and the other factors are well supplied then gravity becomes the major influence in some species. I have a few hundred on mounts and some will wrap around the mount many times but the ones I showed seem to like the roots hanging free. Consider also the way that vandas and their allies are grown for the cut flower trade in the Far East.

A larger mount takes up more space, costs more, is heavier and very importantly, takes longer to dry.

Andy

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] more look what I found today- looking for names
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:30

A happy agreement Geoff!
Monchrome means one-colour and since black is an absence of colour and white is all of 'em, B&W is far more appropriate unless grey-scale is preferred (but then, our American friends would prefer gray!.
Cheers
John

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] more look what I found today- looking for names

> Jim,

> Your pics all came out in monochrome − black and white , for me ?

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: My latest batch of pics − part 1 with comments...
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:40

I have had this job on my list of 'To-do-today' for too long so now at last
I have done it ( sending the next batch of pics) . Comments on the plants
in the pics:-

Thai Sky ; This is a surprisingly complex hybrid , 5th generation ; ¼ Rhy
coelestis and 1/8th V coerulea explaining the blue , more than a ¼ Asctm
curvifolium explaining the general habit , as much again of V. Sanderiana
explaining the size, and dribs and drabs of other things. But its always
worth having.

The dendrobium species (Friedericksianum) is a nice one ; very long lasting
flowers , still looking good in my greenhouse, although hanging up in the
roof, where the temperature has been an impossible 40 C , and they have been
out for at least a month now.

The Tolumnia ( once known as equitant oncidiums) is a well-known cross, and
I have shown a common or garden Ralph Yagi before. This awarded form is
perhaps 10% larger, but the colour is more solid . If you look at the back
of the flowers you will pick out the awarded one immediately , the colour
goes right through and it as bright at the back as the front. They are
lovely things to have these Tolumnias ; like Phallys, they go on flowering
from branches for month after month , unless the culture is good enough to
produce a branched spike initially !

Cattleya forbesii ; according to my books, the colour ranges from dirty
biscuit colour ( often called the alba form ), right up to a
near-respectable pink. This was bought as 'alba' but I have re-named it . It
opens green with a yellow lip, and changes to the colour shown in the larger
picture.

Goldenzelle is a well-known hybrid ( I won't dwell on the last genera name
, Rsc) , I guess it has been meristemmed at least twice. (I have another
clone too , not Saddle Peak-, but not yet flowered). As imaged, it had been
open for 3 or 4 days. After that it faded gracefully to a light yellow , but
was still worth looking at 3 weeks later.

C.tenebrosa , usually called a Laelia, but I agree that these large-flowered
Laelias are so much like cattleyas that to put them in a different genus is
not justified. If you were to write a 10,000 word description of Cattleyas .
you would only need to change one word to make it fit a half-dozen or so of
the Laelias , including tenebrosa. ( Change 4 to 8 for the pollinia , and
even then, there are two 'real' carttleyas which produce 4 pollinia and 4
half-formed pollinia...)

D hercoglossum is one of the prettiest. It hangs up in my greenhouse, and
currently looking up at the very many flowers is a great delight , each a
delicate light pink with that contrasting dark plum anther cap, and it lasts
so long too.

The Podangis is slowly going from strength to strength , there is a new
growth which ( this is basically a monopodial) will eventually double the
number of flowers at an one time.

P.rothschildianum. This is not one of your FCC forms like 'The Commander'
with twelve inch flowers , a ’mere' ten inches is all this one can muster.
It is still a single flowering growth and a couple of small ones too ; to
see this in it's magnificent best, you have to let me grow it on for
another few years until we get up to perhaps a 10 inch pot and three spikes
; flower size and flower count will then be much better than now. I was
offered £100 for it at Peterborough , but had no difficulty turning that
down.

More piccys in another e-mail.

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Another instalment of my latest batch of pics
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:00

Dgma Winter Wonderland ; I have shown this so many times, but not in this
numbered series, which is my reason for including it now.

The macradenia is interesting ; I have bought it and shown it before ,in the
albiflora version , having pale pink flowers with creamy edges − almost
picotee ; very free flowering − half a dozen pendant spikes of small
flowers, spikes perhaps 12-15cm long , on a three growth plant in a 9cm pot.

This is the normal form − the type as you may say ; with a spike 30-40cm
long of more and larger flowers , but less interestingly coloured ; the
bulbs are also twice or even 4 times the size of the albiflora form.
Speaking as a horticulturist, not a taxonomic botanist, I'd say they were
two different species, not species and variety.

However my plant has produced this spike after importation − but so far no
leaves or roots....

Stereochilus. This is a plaque mounted miniature ;p the roots don't stick to
anything. I don't know how it lives and grows !

147 − the Vanda . As near perfection as possible I think, for flower shape ;
flower count could be better though − still some work to do on that !

Nice Mokara − they are So-oh-oh easy − start a new flower spike before the
last one has dropped all its leaves...

V. lamellat ; small flowered not dramatically coloured species. But I like
it . I don't want jazz carnival on every plant.

Lobbii ; you may have seen it on the Bournemouth stand, or there again maybe
not. My Soc's stand was very nice, but most of the orchids seemed to be
inconspicuous on the floor − if you didn't go, it was a walk through one,
with a path winding across ; the big plants were conservatory
non-orchids.....

My lobbii was shown with 24 flowers and buds ; I was surprised not to win
something ( I remember the RHS going into raptures when Michael Tibbs showed
one with six, but then I'm not Michael Tibbs,and whilst the name is
supposed to be irrelevant , it isn't in real life ) and if the judges didn't
notice my plant anyway , how could I get anything ?

Geoff

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Latest Phal
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:15

Here's the latest Phal species to flower. Many others in flower but have
shown them before.
David

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] more look what I found today- looking for names
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:55

delspyes

John,
In the photography world, monochrome is synonymous with "black and
white," with it encompassing the range of shades of a color, hence the
term "greyscale."

Oh damn. I'm on the left side of the pond, so is it should be
grayscale or gray-scale? : )
Dash those hyphens!

[Actually, in many dictionaries, including those for our dialect
"grey" and "gray" are fully interchangeable. The regional use
differences are on par with the trans-Atlantic differences.]

cheers,

Paul

On Jul 3, 2009, at 12:32 PM, John Stanley wrote:

> A happy agreement Geoff!
> Monchrome means one-colour and since black is an absence of colour
> and white is all of 'em, B&W is far more appropriate unless grey-
> scale is preferred (but then, our American friends would prefer gray!.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Andy's mounted orchids
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:55

Mornin' Andy,

Maybe my wording was not quite correct. What I meant was, that if the mount was longer, they would not be hanging free, but clinging to it and not called by some people.....'Aerial roots'.

Rodge.

Andy wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Andy's mounted orchids

> As usual Roger you express your notions with some conviction,
> though I don't know that that helps them stand up any better.

> I don't think it likely that the roots are growing down because the
> mount is too small. For a start how do they know which way is
> down? It is a geotropic response − ie to gravity. The direction
> of root growth is in response additionally to water, chemicals,
> light and touch.

> The point I was making was that if the plant is well anchored and
> the other factors are well supplied then gravity becomes the major
> influence in some species. I have a few hundred on mounts and some
> will wrap around the mount many times but the ones I showed seem
> to like the roots hanging free. Consider also the way that vandas
> and their allies are grown for the cut flower trade in the Far
> East.

> A larger mount takes up more space, costs more, is heavier and very
> importantly, takes longer to dry.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: names wanted ?
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:55

Suggestions appreciated − the two phals are species...

Geoff

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Coelogyne Spring Showers
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:10

Per chance, has anyone on OrchidTalk had a chance to visit RBG Wisely
and obtain photographs of Coelogyne Spring Showers? This is a novel
hybrid registered by them in 2006. Ostensibly, this is a product of
C. cristata x C. lawrenciana. Despite repeated inquiries I have yet
to receive even a cursory response from anyone at that Garden.

Many thanks,

Paul

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From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] names wanted ?
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:05

Two phals...probably amboinensis...yellow form and heiroglyphica........take a look at this site..

http://www.phals.net/Species.html

miltassia.?..sorry no idea.

Lynda

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne Spring Showers
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:50

I am going on Tuesday, so will take the camera and try and get a photo, if
it's still in flower and on display.
David

"Paul Johnson" wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne Spring Showers

> Per chance, has anyone on OrchidTalk had a chance to visit RBG Wisely and
> obtain photographs of Coelogyne Spring Showers? This is a novel hybrid
> registered by them in 2006. Ostensibly, this is a product of C. cristata
> x C. lawrenciana. Despite repeated inquiries I have yet to receive even
> a cursory response from anyone at that Garden.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: shade cloth and alternatives ?
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:35

I need to replace my shade cloth. I may have mentioned earlier in the year ,
when I first applied a single layer, that some of the pieces I use had
perished, which I suppose is UV degradation of the material . Most plastics
seem to suffer from it I think. However since I had a second layer in
reserve and the remains of a roll originally 50m long in the shed , and in
relative darkness and therefore OK, I did no more at the time.

But the recent hot weather made temperature control difficult, even with my
Jaybird humidifier running flat out pumping water into the air at one end of
the greenhouse and a pair of swamp coolers at the other end doing the same (
but at a much lower rate ), and my sweep fans also pushed up to fast ; so I
decided to apply the second layer. Alas only two of the pieces were good ,
and the 'remains of a roll' turned out to be less than enough for one piece.
Moreover when I got up on a pair of steps to survey the greenhouse from
above, I could see areas starting to break up on all the pieces now in use.

Maybe I should explain that my greenhouse is a Hartley Botanic , the kind of
thing that looks a bit like a Nissan hut on the outside , it is sort of
semi-circular in cross section ( the bit above ground, that is ; the floor
and walls are below ground level ), actually there are 10 panes of glass
each at a small angle to the next so perhaps it is a semi-whatever the word
is for a 20 sided shape, like hexagon for six, octagon for 8 and so on. The
glass is carried on arches which are cross-strutted so that putting shade (
or bubble-pak liner) on the inside is virtually impossible . So I put it on
the outside and have been using 5m lengths ( each pane is 1.5m long and 50cm
wide ) with the ends eyeleted and simply tied down to the eaves structure.

However, I need to order some more material and have been looking around.
The knitted Rokolene polypropylene lasts longer , I have used that in the
past , but seems to get snagged and pulled out of shape more easily than the
other material sold by LBS as windscreen/shade material.

It does occur to me to use one of the thermal screen materials , Simply
Control do the aluminium tape and white plastic one, but the price is I
think about £8 per sq m. Which by the time I have paid for ends to be bound
and eyeleted etc will be nearer £10 and set me back a cool £500 , and I am
not at all convinced that it will last long when autumn gales come sweeping
up the Channel ( to quote John Masefield) , or that it will survive the
annual rolling up and storage over the winter and then re-installation each
year.

I have found a material offered by LBS which might be a tougher version ,
and also cheaper , called Phormiflex which I will try and talk to them about
. Does anyone know anything about this ?

I suspect that many of these special materials are almost exclusively used
by the very large commercial greenhouses and installed by specialists
serving such organisations, and they won't want to know ( on any terms I
could accept) about a 'little order' for a mere 50 sq meters , and again, I
don't think that the Botanic Nissan hut shape is used commercially at all (
despite the great advantage in terms of light ) and many of the attachment
etc problems arise because of that shape.

Any helpful thoughts , anyone ?

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Euchile/Encyclia/Cattleya..... citrina..... and how to grow it ?
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:55

I have just spotted that the sheath on my last/best bulb is enlarging....
(also a new growth emerging).

Finger's crossed !

Geoff

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phal. what.
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:05

Phal. what -1 could be Phal. lueddemanniana. I'm not sure about this.
Phal. what -2 is Phal. amboinensis.

Peter

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] shade cloth and alternatives ?
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:20

Geoff,

In the UK not sure about how this iwll apply there. here by by shadecloth by country of origin, it is mage in guatmala, mexico, colombia, USA, isreal, italy. Each place puts a "guarantee" on it it in my experience it is the number of years they pay for replacement but most last 2 times as long,the Saran made in the USA is the best, followed by italians.... some are just wovensome are knotted, the good stuff is garanteed for 8 years and will last 20, the problem is the wind. Search around for Saran, the are making it in colors to help filter UV, to furthere complicate things,

JIm.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Part 3 and last of my present set of pics and comments.
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:30

134a Dend hercoglossum − of course I have shown this before − Pc No 134.
But it goes on getting better and more lovely.

155 Bulbo frostii − now moved to a pad of epiweb to see if I can get it to
branch a bit more freely !

156 Rsc ( Blc to you ! ) Greenwich "Elmhurst" . I know, theoretically that
plants bloom betters some years than others, but this is certainly the best
I have ever done with this plant ; without I hope being immodest, I can't
fault it.

157. I grow this as Myrmecopilia thompsoniae − according to the books the
bulbs are hollow and often lived in by ants − hence the generic name. I was
quite delighted to flower this − it's other name is Schomburgkia , and I
have never seen any of that genus in flower in UK ( but seen them at orchid
shows in Venezuela where I fell in love with them...) . I have two other
Schombs, one of which has just producewd its first new growth after sulking
for 3 years since importation , and the other of which is doing very well
with multiple growths, but no sign of a fattening spathe as yet.

However when I went to Peterborough I found someone selling them in spike -
in fact bought one since it looked as though the buds would open to be
larger than mine ; but the few buds which have survived the Atlantic
crossing and now open are virtually identical. Still, it gives me a chance
to do two different things and see which prospers most .

158 Renanthera phillipinensis x Manila. I think I probably showed this same
plant looking just like this about Xmas time − it won me best plant at our
BOS Xmas lunch , and here it is half a year later in flower again. I suppose
if all orchids were like this we would all be growing something else ?

159 Prosthechea lancifolium, formerly Encyclia , and before that
Epidendrum... According to a speaker on the subject of Encyclias at BOS
recently , if it is upside down − (non-resupinate ? ) it is a Prosthechea,
if it is the right way up , its an Encyclia − assuming of course that its
that sort of orchid , after all a lot of other orchids are upside down too,
and they are neither !

Its what I call a cockle-shell orchid − one of several − and perhaps the
smallest flowered of them . But neat and tidy , and such a gentle colour
scheme − especially after that jazzy Renanthera!

160 and needing no further comment − Prosthechea radiata.

161 and 162 I hesitated to include − from In-Charm orchids at Peterborough.
Superb plants , in flower, and a reasonable price ( by Paph standards) . And
such a choice they had too....Worth a visit to a show where they will be
present, if you like a nice paph.Dollgoldii − the yellow one, and Glorfia
Nagle the pink one.

163 I hope Jim sees this and will kindly comment ? I first met a plant
which was identified for me as Encyc nemorosa ( at that time it was called
a Laelia) growing up a tree outside a bar on the Pan-American highway in
Costa Rica. I didn't know what it was, and did not expect the barman to know
; and with my limited Spanish just about understood that it had been
collected locally " up the hill in the forest" ( bosque , the man said ).
And then I was dragged away by my wife because the bus was going without
me....

Now in my memory − and in my slides if I could only find them out of the
half million stacked in the garage, the flowers I saw were miles better than
this -petals and sepals much wider, lip much rounder; in fact looking at
these I would have little difficulty in saying "encyclia" − or in those
days , since this was perhaps 15 or so years ago − "epidendrum" . But what I
saw was so different that I could not even guess at the genus − especially
as the bulbs are small and conical, no bigger than a small tulip bulb.

It was Jacque Wubben who identified it for me . But now − for the first
time − I have actually flowered a plant with this name, and it's nothing
like the ones in my ,memory . Maybe it was Cattleya deckerii I saw ? who
knows !.

Whatever − is this a good form, a typical form, or a lousy form of one of
your native plants Jim ?

geoff

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Part 3 and last of my present set of pics and comments.
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:15

Geoff,

All your picts are excellent my favorite is: 157-Myrmecopilia-thompsoniae.jpg

Can you enlighten us to your setup? and what fstop?

I sure hope you don't get me started in nother expensive hobby;-0

Jim

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Information
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:35

Ihave just discovered this site − www.orchid.unibas.ch
− It is full of information. Very scientific but on searching there is a wonderful selection of pictures and for Paul especiall Coelogynes.
Regards from a well soaked Devon

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Information
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:50

On 07 Jul, in article ,
Dennis Read wrote:
> Ihave just discovered this site − www.orchid.unibas.ch − It is
> full of information. Very scientific but on searching there is a
> wonderful selection of pictures and for Paul especiall Coelogynes.
> Regards from a well soaked Devon

I couldn't get that URL to work (no idea why), but with the help of
Google found this one which does:
http://www.orchid.unibas.ch/site.home.php

Regards from an equally soaked Hampshire,

--

Tricia

I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.


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