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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: Message from wild flower site
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:35

Hi Rodge,

Thanks for the leads. I've written to all of them and hope to hear something soon.

cheers,
Esther

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Name that plant.
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 11:15

Hi everybody,

Can any of you possibly identify this hybrid cattleya of mine. Had it for about three years now. You can see the size of the plant, bulbs, leaves etc.

I think that the flowers are gorgeous, and the perfume has just started to emerge, wonderful.

The only problem with this plant is that the flowers, especially in the bud stage, are very heavy and do droop downwards.

The plant had three large buds, but a 'critter' had a go at one of them so I cut it off. It has still opened up and is sat in a small vase.

As each bulb only produces a single leaf, I would have thought that the cross was between the one leaved species/hybrids.

I am going to E-mail Fred Clarke and see if he may have an answer for me.

So, get your little grey cells working and find me an answer.

Many thanks, Rocky.

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From: Kenneth Bruyninckx
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 21:45

Rocky,

I would almost say your hybrid 'Cattleya' ;-) is a Brassolaeliocattleya
Beauty Girl ’C.U. Kova'.

If you don't like the 'old' Brassolaeliocattleya then try the new (for how
long?) Rhyncholaeliocattleya instead.

kind regards,

Kenneth.

Kenneth Bruyninckx

Akerne Orchids

Laarsebeekdreef 4, B-2900 Schoten, Belgium

tel. +32 (0)3 651 40 36 fax +32 (0)3 653 06 76


www.akerne-orchids.com

See us at the following shows and events in 2009:

*8e Biennale Internationale d'Orchidées, La Hestre, Belgium (May
21-24)
*Open Nursery Weekend, Schoten, Belgium (June 6-7)

Looking for orchid books and magazines? Visit
www.orchidbooks.eu

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:05

Good morning Kenneth,

You are absolutely correct my friend, spot on as we say. I can now write a label for this magnificent BLC.

Many thanks, Rodge.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:15

Morning again Kenneth,

Just wondered if you might know the parentage of this plant, and who is 'C.U. Kova' ?

Thanks, Rodge.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: April Memories 2009
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:20

Hi all,

Thought this might cheer up those of you who have been putting up with today's weather here in the U.K.

Rodge.

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Green winged orchids in somerset
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:55

Hello all, this saturday just gone i decided to go and look at two sites in somerset which i havent been to before in search of the green winged orchid. The first one i visited was Barrington hill meadows near Ilminster.This is a wonderful site to visit and at the moment is a true spectacle of mass green winged orchids in flower. THe site is 50 yards from a main road and a easy walk for anyone, there are 3 large fields which are now covered in thousands of orchids of every colour combination and size known for the green winged orchid! I highly recomend a visit as soon as possible to anyone who is interested.

Secondly i went to a site called west sedgemoor near Langport, This site is a true suprise as it is on the flood plains of the somerset levels. The way to find it is to look for a field which is about 10 feet higher than the surrounding ones, it is also the only field in site with cowslips on it, i dont recomend this one unless you are capable of walking a couple miles,but, when you get to it there is another mass flowering of the green winged orchid to enjoy. I was also lucky enough to witness a butterfly visiting one orchid after another so therfore must be a pollinator. If anyone can tell me the species i would be grateful. Also if you like bird watching you could combine the two as this site is a RSPB reserve! I hope this report was helpful and please enjoy the photos, happy growing

Gavin

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From: Kenneth Bruyninckx
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:40

Rocky,

I'll have to re-install Wildcatt first to be able to printout a full tree of
this hybrid as Orchidwiz doesn't include all levels L

No idea who C.U. Kova is or was but you should not necessarily have to go
way back in time to find out, as the hybrid was only registered in 2001 and
hence the clonal name would have been given around that period (or shortly
afterwards).

kind regards,

Kenneth.

Kenneth Bruyninckx

Akerne Orchids

Laarsebeekdreef 4, B-2900 Schoten, Belgium

tel. +32 (0)3 651 40 36 fax +32 (0)3 653 06 76

www.akerne-orchids.com

See us at the following shows and events in 2009:

*8e Biennale Internationale d'Orchidées, La Hestre, Belgium (May
21-24)
*Open Nursery Weekend, Schoten, Belgium (June 6-7)

Looking for orchid books and magazines? Visit www.orchidbooks.eu


Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.

> Morning again Kenneth,

> Just wondered if you might know the parentage of this plant, and who is
> 'C.U. Kova' ?

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From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Green winged orchids in somerset
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 01:25

Gavin,

Your butterfly looks like what we commonly call the cabbage butterfly,
/Pieris rapae/, see the reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_White . They are found all over the
world and can be a pest. If they are really pollinating orchids, I will
reconsider my opinion of them.

Cheers,

John R

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Green winged orchids in somerset
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 07:35

I think a Small White − Artogeia rapae.

Geoff

gavin horne wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Green winged orchids in somerset

> ...I was also lucky enough to witness a butterfly visiting one
> orchid after another so therfore must be a pollinator. If anyone can tell me
> the species i would be grateful...

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Gavin's 'Expedition'.
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:25

Hi all,

Our friend Gavin sure had a good day looking at the 'Green veined orchids', and I especially like the fact that he told us how many there were for people to enjoy and see.

I have a couple of Newspaper clippings which tell of 'These Rare orchids'. If they don't know what they are talking about then they should keep their mouths shut. They tend to put people off. Complete lot of Plonkers, that's what they are.

We do, and should always encourage people, to go out and have a good look at our U.K. orchids. I know they will be very pleasantly surprised. Especially as some of them have a wonderful perfume, and lots of other interesting topics to talk about.

Recently I received an E-mail from shall we say a Warden from a certain Country Park. Here is part of it.

To answer your other question, to the best of my knowledge, Early Spider Orchids are a Schedule 8 species under the Wildlife and Countryside Act. As such, it is illegal to remove or possess seeds or plants, without a license from Natural England. As such, I'm afraid we can't help with this. Also, as I'm sure you are aware, it would be very unlikely that your friend would be able to successfully grow them from seed − without being able to reproduce the correct species of Mycorhizal fungi and environmental conditions, throughout their lifecycle, they would not grow.

First of all, Schedule 8 means nothing to me. As if I would dig up a plant. But, maybe collect just one seed pod if there were many to be seen??? Most probably YES. Secondly, as to my friend and the fungi etc. etc. If they had asked if my friend did have the knowledge, equipment, fungi etc then they would have been suitably told that my friend does have it all, and in fact does grow from seed. You see, such people should not just assume, but ask.

As to 'Natural England' ????? I asked the chap when I spoke to him on the phone....."Who the hell are Natural England" ? Oh, he said, they used to be called 'English Nature'. Makes one think, why the hell did they change their name????? A Tax dodge? Get some new laws passed? Yes, I do think on a negative path because a name change like this makes me think that there might just be an alternative motive.

Anyhow, Gavin's photo of the butterfly which might just be one of the pollinators is very interesting, and I hope that someone may identify it.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:40

Roger , you can find this out for yourself without bothering other members ,
from the RHS site.

Since I am sure that I have told you this on at least two previous occasions
, although on those occasions answering your questions, this time I am going
to leave you to do it for yourself.

geoff

Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.

> Just wondered if you might know the parentage of this plant, and who is
> 'C.U. Kova' ?

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:25

http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/orchid_parentage.asp

This is the link you want , if you know the name and want the parents, click
on 'find the grex' ( yes, I know that sounds backwards, but its what you do,
all the same.)

geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Foggers, misters
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:45

Geoff, To save me the trouble of searching through the Orchid Talk archives, what was the make of your fogger from way back as I now require one. Any other suggestions would be welcome. Regards

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Gavin's 'Expedition'.
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:20

Hello Roger − it would be interesting to get a copy of the Wildlife Act and
section 8 and see if what your ranger says is true. It is illegal to remove
most plants from the wild but Ithink it unlikely one is not allowed to
possess plants as i think Laneside sells all the different Spider orchids,
other terrestrial sellers probably do too.
Thinking about Gavin's butterfly though maybe it was laying eggs on the
plant? have you ever noticed caterpillars on orchids in the wild? Nice
pictures though Roger and Gavin, a real treat.
Regards, Alex

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:20

Geoff gives the link to the RHS register pages, with a description of
the search process which as he says, does seem a bit reverse.

The process is clarified (I hope!) on the Orchid Talk website.

--

Tricia

After any salary raise, you will have less money at the end of the month than you did before.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Foggers, misters
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 06:20

Jaybird . You will find them on the internet. Mine is perhaps the smallest
model (400).

Recently I needed a new water pump, ( My Jaybird must be at least 7 or 8
years old by now ) and e-mailed , but had no reply in 3 or 4 days, so I rang
them − and as usual got a spare sent air-mail. Same day. They are very
helpful.

They don't have a secure site for credit cards, but I send them my numbers
in two or three successive e-mails − there seems no risk as long as there is
no 16 figure number sent all in one piece which is so easily recognised as
what it is.

You will tell them you want it for UK − ( different voltage and Herz, also
plugs) or more probably left with just a tail of wires for you to put a plug
on ; I have their US wiring as far as the hygrostat − they call it
piggy-back − so that I end up with one tail , one 13Amp plug powering the
lot.

Regards

geoff

Dennis Read wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Foggers, misters

> Geoff, To save me the trouble of searching through the Orchid Talk archives,
> what was the make of your fogger from way back as I now require one. Any
> other suggestions would be welcome. Regards

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 06:25

I think the point is that the link is right when you are on one page ( where
you enter the parents and are given the grex name) but wrong on the other
page where you enter the grex name and it gives the parents − probably
because the webmaster just copied the whol;e page for both purposes, and
didn't alter enough words.

But as the kids say − whatever....
If you are bright enough to use the web, you should be able to manage a
minor hiccup like that.

If...

geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Gavin's 'Expedition'.
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:35

Mornin' Alex,

As to 'Section 8', I'm not that bothered, as living as I have these past
seventy one years in very close harmony with nature, I just do what is
correct to preserve our plants/tress/animals/insects, etc.

I have however dug up a few wild orchids, but that was just to prevent them
being lost forever from that certain area, and before anyone starts
shouting, ha, ha, it was on private land.

Caterpillars on orchids.........can't say that I have ever noticed any.

Back to this years 'Wild Orchids'. I hope that I may be able to get some
shots/images of the pollinators at work, but that is not an easy task.
Maybe some people will get more interested in our Wild orchids and go out
and have a damned good look at them.

Just had a look to see where you live Alex, as I did not have a clue where
Knutsford was. Anything north of Winchester is foreign to me, ha, ha. You
sure have a nice lot of lakes around your area.....any good orchid sites?

Cheers, Rodge.

"Alex Scott" wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Gavin's 'Expedition'.

> Hello Roger − it would be interesting to get a copy of the Wildlife Act
> and section 8 and see if what your ranger says is true. It is illegal to
> remove most plants from the wild but Ithink it unlikely one is not allowed
> to possess plants as i think Laneside sells all the different Spider
> orchids, other terrestrial sellers probably do too.
> Thinking about Gavin's butterfly though maybe it was laying eggs on the
> plant? have you ever noticed caterpillars on orchids in the wild? Nice
> pictures though Roger and Gavin, a real treat.
> Regards, Alex

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Foggers
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:20

Thankyou Geof.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Terrestrials from seed
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:25

This edition of the OSGB Journal has an article showing a method of growing Japanese terrestrial orchids using corrugated paper. This is the second time I have heard this.
I could not get it to work withLycaste seeds but it may be worth a try with UK terrestrial orchids. I have a dact. hybrid ? and I will try a pollination this summer to try this method.
The trouble with your Ranger 'jobsworth' is he loved expounding his little knowledge not knowing to whom he was talking.
Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Corrugated paper.
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:35

Hi there Dennis,

'bout time you sent us some decent weather. At the moment it's a bit of sun, a bit of blustery wind, then visa versa, maybe a spot of rain, I'll be glad when it settles down. At least it will make photography in the wild that much easier.

Right then Dennis, my ears cocked up when you told of corrugated paper?????

Why corrugated, and what type of paper? And if it works, what scientific reason for it to work?

I am keenly interested to hear more about this.....very interesting Holmes !

Hope I am not bothering you.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Terrestrials from seed
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:55

Dennis,

I rub a ripe banana on a tree with coarse bark, sprinkle the seeds on it, I try to pick one in a shadier spot and 1ish years later wha la lots of little babys orchids. I try to pick a tree in a shadier area with a nice breeze.

Jim

Dennis Read wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Terrestrials from seed

> This edition of the OSGB Journal has an article showing a method of
> growing Japanese terrestrial orchids using corrugated paper. This
> is the second time I have heard this. I could not get it to work
> withLycaste seeds but it may be worth a try with UK terrestrial
> orchids. I have a dact. hybrid ? and I will try a pollination this
> summer to try this method.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Terrestrials from seed
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:55

Hello Jim,

Nice to hear from you. PLEASE can we see a photo or two of what you describe. Very interesting, especially for the scientific members who may like to comment on Banana.

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Corrugated paper.
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:55

Roger, The article is in the last OSGB Journal. If I copy it on the net I will be liable to copyright infringement. I am sure a member of your OS will have a copy you can read.
Sorry no decent weather on the way.
Regards

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Terrestrials from seed
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:00

Jim, In the UK? Regards

JIM MATEOSKY wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Terrestrials from seed

> Dennis,

> I rub a ripe banana on a tree with coarse bark, sprinkle the seeds
> on it, I try to pick one in a shadier spot and 1ish years later wha
> la lots of little babys orchids. I try to pick a tree in a
> shadier area with a nice breeze.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A nice Laeliocattleya.
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:50

HI all,

What better to do on a cold blustery day with drops of rain now and then.....mostly then !!!

This is my Laeliocattleya Gold Digger 'Orchid Jungle'.

Well pleased with it, and it will make new growths from two different bulbs in a few weeks time, so I look forward to it being in the same pot for maybe another two to three years.

Same compost !!!!! No worry, no problem.

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Terrestrial orchid propagation
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:05

Further to corrugated paper and banana methods I have just remembered a method reported in the MLOS Journal reporting that Dactylorhiza hatagirea was being propagated by root cuttings. This is being carried out by three Indian Universities and Institutes as it is endangered but has a medicinal and culinary uses. For those interested you could try rkmaikhuri@rediffmail.com &/or drcrs70@gmail.com
Regards. We saw the sun for one hour today but the clouds have turned to rain

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A nice Laeliocattleya.
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:05

I bloom Laeliocattleya Gold Digger 'Orchid
Jungle in Jan. to Feb. I am one of the few around here that has a small plant. Most people try to make it a specimen. The picture was the one that I used it on my site (www.togofcoralgables.com). The Feb. page has been retired, but there is a movie clip of Feb. 09.
This will get you there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?vDAv4oYEDvNM

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Terrestrials from seed
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:35

Sure in the green house!

Here is a foto of where we put the old nasty banana then sprinkled the seeds on it (a bad one I am sorry for that). The tree is a guitite. it is a favorite here for planting orchids on ( we do not have any cork here) it has a sponge bark with lots of nice crevices. This has some moss growing on it this had 200+, cat skinneri "baby" plants on it but we have transplanted them there are 2 or 3 there now.

Jim

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