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March 1—7

From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Orchids from Kinabalu National Park, Borneo
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:25

Hello everyone,

I'm sharing some pictures that I took during my visit to the Kinabalu National Park last Christmas. The diversity of orchids there is amazing. Orchids were growing on the trees and on the ground and I was delighted to find so many in bloom. There were some that I reconised, but most were new to me. Do let me know if you can identify any of them.


Bulbophyllum vinaceum

Bulbophyllum lobbii

Unidentified 1

Unidentified 2

Unidentified 3

Unidentified 4

Unidentified 5

Unidentified 6

Unidentified 7

Unidentified 8

Unidentified 9

Unidentified 10

Calanthe sp?


From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchids from Kinabalu National Park, Borneo
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:25

An interesting message and enclosures, Esther.

B.vinaceum is one unknown to me ( I have about a hundred bulbo's now, but
there must be more than a thousand I haven't got !

B.lobbii is now considered to be a convenient name for (a) an evolving
species, the result of interbreeding from at least three other species, (b)
a group of allied species which look similar... My own lobbiis are distinct
from the one you show − I'm not suggesting your identification is wrong,
just pointing out it is possible to have quite different flowers, and yes,
they are all lobbii.

The third (unidentified 1) is surely a Coelogyne , several of which do not
open well and are salmon-sih coloured − and mostly from Borneo, too. E.g.
C.cuprea. I think the poorly opening ones may be cleistogomous ? Dudley
Clayton's book is the only one I know, and Plate 9 E and F look quite

Unidentified 2 Eria sp ? − I guess its sympodial but terminally flowered ?

Unidentified 3 I would nail down as Dendrochilon ; I haven't bought the Wood
book on this, having been put off by certain comments made by one of the
world's orchid gurus in another genus ( not more than a million miles from
Lycaste) and the pic is not clear enough/large enough for me to hazard a
species name from my own knowledge − and the book wouldn't be much help
without, perhaps, a dissected flower.....

Unidentified 4. I have seen pictures of something like this, but my memory
doesn't help me ; Maxillaria − ? Is maxillaria an Asian genus anyway ? Can't
even remember that today...( but I did finish the Times Crossword yesterday,
and I can't believe that Alzheimers has struck overnight).

I should like to see more of unid. 5 − looks very pretty ; spikes emerging
from centre of new growths is what Dendrochilons and its close relatives do
; but I can't get better than that ; I guess one of the many genera unknown
to me.

6 Coelogyne sp ?

7. pass

8. Is of course one of the jewel orchids ; I think it's Anoechtochilus
roxburghii − or maybe it just looks like it.

9. Pholidota sp ?

10. Liparis sp ?

11. With that divided lip one might want to call it C. Triplicate, but the
ones I have seen ( growing in very dark rain-forest − where incidentally I
also saw the Anoechtochilus ) didn't look like this. Maybe you are right -
if you saw the plicate leaves, dark green, probably a big clump, then its
very likely. But can't help with species name.

Of course I may be wrong with all my identifications.


Ps I'll ask you more about the trip id I may in another message − I am being
hauled away to go to family for Sunday lunch...

Esther Koh wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchids from Kinabalu National Park, Borneo

> Hello everyone,

> I'm sharing some pictures that I took during my visit to the Kinabalu
> National Park last Christmas. The diversity of orchids there is amazing.
> Orchids were growing on the trees and on the ground and I was delighted to
> find so many in bloom. There were some that I reconised, but most were new
> to me. Do let me know if you can identify any of them.

Bulbophyllum vinaceum

Bulbophyllum lobbii

Unidentified 1

Unidentified 2

Unidentified 3

Unidentified 4

Unidentified 5

Unidentified 6

Unidentified 7

Unidentified 8

Unidentified 9

Unidentified 10

Calanthe sp?


From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: a few pictures
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:20

66. Baptistonia echinata − sometimes called " the bumble-bee orchid". The
most flowers/best spike so far ( third year of flowering) , but has dropped
all its leaves − too much stress (?). Remains to be seen whether this is a
last dying flourish...

Dend sulcatum. Pretty flowers I think. I have a couple of plants − still
scratching my head as how to grow them properly , but both have produced a
single cluster of flowers like this. I think they may want rather less light
than I have given t ( hung up) so both are going down in the world, shortly.

The cirrhopetalum is typical of these wheel spoke types , quite fascinating
in close-up, I think. Now starting to get specimen like − six spikes on the
plant, which is in an 8 inch plant saucer.

I have raved about Tolumnias recently I think ; this is a very recent
acquisition- in fact bought at Bournemouth last week from Kenneth. His/their
potting is much more free draining than mine − larger lumpy compost pieces (
hard peat ?) and obviously needing more frequent watering than my finer
materials ( bark or Perlite etc ). However I have hung this with my plaque
mounted plants for daily spraying rather than watering into the pot.

In case you didn't know − I only learnt a few weeks ago , these plants can
be stem-propagated like phallies can − they have the same trick of producing
long spikes, and unless very strong , flower from the end first , then a
hardly visible bud develops into a branch which flowers, and so on. This way
they can be in flower for months ; or if you are very very good, you get all
the flowers together and wonder how one tiny plant can manage such a
display. Of course, the stem-propagation uses one of those buds with some
hormone treatment. In fact I bought a few such stem-props, all named cvs,
and some of them awarded plants, quite recently − all of which are getting
the daily spray routine.

71-72 My rather large Dend. fimbriatum − oculatum referring to the black
eye ( I also have it in the non-oculatum variety, but like it much less.)
The pic of the whole plant shows it just inside the door of my greenhouse.
It is nearly 5 ft tall − too big to go into a car...14 spikes this year, but
not as fine as it may be − it got infested with those tiny little
bush-snails, and the foliage was like lace − before I spotted the damage and
gave it the ammonia bath treatment. Cleared up the cause, but until all the
leaves are gone and replaced by new ones, it is not much of a sight. Or to
be correct, I did trim, them all off, hoping to get the plant to a show. But
after flowering I will seriously try and grow a new set of canes with clean
leaves, for the future ; probably the flowers will be finer too, if I can do

73 and finally my one and only cym. Bought in flower in London last year
'cos my wife admired it ( keeps the partner happy by buying them a plant,
and they don't fuss about you spending rather more on plants which they
don't like, but you do- my advice to all orchid growers ! ). I didn't think
it would like my conditions at all, they are all wrong for cymbidiums , but
no , it has three spikes so far − the more advanced two having 20 or so
flowers between them.



From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Strange flowers on phallys?
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:15


Anyone noted strange or oddly shaped flowers on their phallys this year?

The reason I am asking is because I bought a flowerless phally last year fr
om a supermarket at a throw-away price. At the begining of December it star
ted to grow a nice fat spike, and then it produced six buds. The first thre
e buds have opened now... They take between 3 and 4 days to opne fully... W
hen the first bud opened I was rather surprised that one of the petals was
considerably smaller than the other, but didn't think much of it. But it is
the same on the other two opened flowers!

I know this could be due to a genetic mutation, but then yesterday, whilst
visiting my neighbour (she has bought a couple of phallys herself after see
ing my orchids), I noticed that one of her plants had two spikes and three
open flowers. One on one of the spikes and two on the other spike. The spik
e with two flowers also showed a curious thing. The last flower to had open
ed had very thin petals (both of them), kind of the type of petals that you
see on Phal. kuntslerii (by shape, not by colour), but the other two flowe
rs had their more normal, rounded shape that we see on the usual hybrids bo
ught from supermarkets.

I was thinking of taking my orchid to the orchid auction tomorrow, but if t
his is just a 'weird' year due to low light conditions, then I might consid
er and keep it til next year and see what happens.




From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: One Den plus two Phals
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:40

Sorry for the delay in replying. My formula for flowering the D. nobile
types is based on advice in one of Peter Williams catalogues. You give them
25 days or more in a night time temperature of 10C or less keeping them dry.
They are brought back to intermediate temps and bud spurs should form on the
leaf nodes of the previous years canes. Dont start watering until the spurs
are definitely flower buds. I am a window sill grower so with me it means
in November when the new canes stop growing they go in my garage! it can go
down to 4C there and is a bit gloomy but they seem to survive. I think also
a lot depends on the plant having a good summer with lots of warmth, sun and
water to produce tall fat canes.

Actually, it is not that different to your treatment David; and John − I
would bring your speciousum back to Intermediate temps and gently water −
and keep fingers crossed! I have read that the australian type dendrobes
that havent flowered for a while can erupt into masses of blooms.

Regards, Alex

David Martin writes:

> John, I also have your problem with speciosum, quite a large plant and
> very fat nodules where the flowers come from. It has had temps down to 6
> Deg C this winter and a long dry spell of about 2 months. Maybe it's not
> too late for it to flower this year.


From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: EU Pesticide phase-out will impact on gardeners... RHS "The Garden" March 2009 P 149...
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:10

Quoted from: RHS "The Garden" March 2009 P 149...EU Pesticide phase-out will impact on gardeners...

> Such commonly used garden chemicals as... metaldehyde used in many ...
> slug killers... may be affected, ... and... "it takes about 10 years to
> get a new ingredient developed and tested...'"

I have stocked up on my favourite slug-killers. I found Scotts slug-clear (
the current name for the liquid we used to buy as 'sluggitt' ) on the
internet at a little over £4 per bottle , usual price £6 +...

I don't think we use bifenthrin or mancozeb in the greenhouse , in fact I
use hardly any chemicals nowadays ( except slug-clear behind the benches, on
the glass inside , as well as outside the greenhouse) preferring to simply
remove pests when I find them with a spray of 50:50 meths:water ( with a
dash of Physan as spreader) and a paint brush to apply and remove the
offender. Keeping them down means that spraying is not necessary.



From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: plants for sale
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:30

Hi All, due to rising domestic expenses iam selling some of my plants if you are interested in any please contact me and we can arrange photo's etc. After each species you will see a number,this is the price in pounds.

Bulbophyllum-Biflorum (large)15, umbellatum 8 , orientale 8, macranthum x lobbii 10, thai spider 7, fascinator 7, orthoglossum 10, ecornutum 6, membranifolium 6, plumatum 7.

cirroheptalum-concinnum 8, auratum 8.

dendrobium thrysiflorum 10

oncidium luridum 15 (large)

All plants are mature and pre-flowered.

i look forward to hearing from you, happy growing!



From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] plants for sale
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:45

I would be interested in two of the Bulbo's − orientale and ecornutum, and
the Cirrho concinnum.



From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] plants for sale
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:05

Hi Geoff, bulbo ecornutum and cirroheptalum conccinum are still available for £14, how would you like to proceed, do you want photos?if you want them mailed there will be a additional cost,but i will bareroot them to keep costs down if you wish.If you like i can meet you somewhere as i live in Salisbury.p.s. i am now holding the plants for you.


geoff.hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] plants for sale

> I would be interested in two of the Bulbo's , orientale and
> ecornutum, and the Cirrho concinnum.


From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] plants for sale
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:50

Can you give me a telephone number , I may be visiting Salisbury Saturday pm ?



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