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February 1—7

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Peru-Flora
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:45

Has anyone been able to order plants from Peru-Flora for delivery to RHS London in March.?
To me the site seems corupted and my EMails are not abswered. Google also advise not to use the site.
Regards

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:50

Dennis, Peru-Flora must have a virus because this is the warning when I tried to open their site.

Suggestions:Return to the previous page and pick another result.Try another search to find what you're looking for.Or
you can see the image in its own context http://www.peru-flora.com/ at
your own risk. For detailed information about the problems we found,
visit Google's Safe Browsing diagnostic page for this site.

For more information about how to protect yourself from harmful software online, you can visit StopBadware.org.

If you are the owner of this web site, you can request a review of your site using Google's Webmaster Tools. More information about the review process is available in Google's Webmaster Help Center.
Advisory provided by

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:30

Hi Dennis,

I have just been on to the Internet and had no problem with Peru Flora's Website.

I have asked them to E-mail me with their Catalogue, so, if and when it comes through, I will forward you a copy.

For once, it looks as if I will be sending you some weather!!!!!

Cheers Rodge.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sheila's Cymbidiums.
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:40

Hi all, I'm just back from a couple of weeks in Egypt ( houseboat on the
Nile, between Luxor and Aswan mostly − temperature usually 27 by day and
maybe 15 at night , blue skies from dawn to dusk ; landing at Heathrow in 2
degrees with mention of snow showers today was a shock) . I had a quick look
in the greenhouse − looks a bit dry, although the estate gardener was
supposed to be paying daily visits and spraying a few things. I noted that
Coelogyne mooreana is in flower − will take a few pics in the next days.
I'll get started on a complete overhaul watering everything tomorrow and
hopefully find a few more things to show.

Have quickly read through my supposed couple of hundred e-mails − 2/3rd junk
of course − I won't attempt to comment on all the various threads but as to
red-spider mite , I have seen it in the past, but it always seemed to be bad
and regularly seen only on cymbidiums,( occasionally seen on coelogynes, but
if it gets to the point that you find it on Dend. nobile hybrids, the
culture must leave a lot to be desired ) . In my experience, each pest has a
preferred orchid − with the small hard scale − not the big blobby kind − it
is cattleyas. With long-tailed mealy-bugs it is Phallys, and so on. But
getting back to red spider, I really preferred the old-fashioned method of
an annual clean of each and every cymbidium leaf , wiping between two pads
of cotton wool soaked in something or other ; Provado solution ? Physan
solution ? ( it is a miticide amongst all it's other properties) − but I
don't think what it is matters − this is physical removal of the pests,
which is always the first step . That's what they used to do "in the old
days" and it removes sooty mould and everything else in the way of dust and
so on , and when I had a cymbidium only house as one of my 4 greenhouses -
up to about 2002/3 − I found it unnecessary to do anything else by way of
pest control . But it is very time-consuming !.

But great Cymbidiums Sheila − you must be proud.

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Peru-Flora
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:50

On 01 Feb, in article ,
Dennis Read wrote:
> Has anyone been able to order plants from Peru-Flora for delivery
> to RHS London in March.?

> To me the site seems corupted and my EMails are not abswered.
> Google also advise not to use the site.

It seems OK now. There was a problem with Google yesterday as
reported by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7862840.stm

and I guess it will be a while before it's completely resolved.
Apparently there was a human error and all sites were accidentally
flagged as harmful.

--

Tricia

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: FW: Peruvian Orchids for London Show in March, now receiving preorders
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:50

Not so far Dennis but I have yet to follow the links in the message I now
forward, which I found waiting for me today.

Geoff

-----Original Message------

From: Contact Peru Flora [mailto:contact@peru-flora.com]
Sent: 27 January 2009 05:54
To: dendrobiumman@aol.com
Subject: Peruvian Orchids for London Show in March, now receiving preorders

Hello:

This is Manolo Arias, from Peruflora, letting you know that we will
participate in the London Orchid Show during March 2009.

Attached is our current list of prices which has been updated and includes
more plants than ever. If you wish to order any item from that list, we will
be very happy to carry them for you. Due to limited amount of plants and
species that we will take to London, this is your best chance to exactly
choose the plants you want.

For the first time, we are sending a complement list, with non Peruvian
Orchids that we have in our collection and that could be ordered. And two
books are also included in our price list. One of them is brand new, and
contains 1,600 pictures of the Orchid species of Peru in 408 nicely designed
pages, the most extraordinary work ever done about Peruvian Orchids.

A 20% on the total cost of the plants will be added in order to cover
paperwork, transportation, Import CITES expenses, and delivery at the show.

Last day to receive your order is February 4th. Please use the Excel format
attached, and fill out the "Quantity section". Thanks a lot!

Looking forward to hearing from you, receive our best wishes from Peru,

Manolo Arias

Peruflora

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Peru-Flora
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:05

Thank you all for your responses. I had been sent the list but could not send an order from it. I then went to Google but was (and still are) advised not to use the site. Being me I tried direct and the site was corrupt. I then sent an order by EMail but have had no response.Has any one ordered successfully in the last few days.
Regards

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: South Dakota???
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:45

Hello All,
I thought I had woken up in South Dakota this morning!! The last time we
had this much snow, in the South East of England, was about ten years
ago.
Watch out Rocky, it's on the way.
David

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Weather Gods
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:50

Rocky, My weather god must be stronger than yours as we have no snow yet from your end - 12 noon, 2Feb. Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: South what ????
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:25

Hi David,

Great photos, and yes, we also woke up to snow, but not quite as deep as what you had dumped on you.

As to "Watch out Rocky, it's on the way". I would not mind a few of those feathered friends. I did not realise they had settled in your area??? Are they a pest, or are they very nice to have in the garden??

Cheers, Rodge.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:50

the corrupt site is a google mistake they have appologised

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From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Another Bloom for another day
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:55

Hi Everyone − I've been saving this one for a 'bad' day − Cymbidium Maureen
Carter 'Chichester' AM/RHS (and it is a 'bad' day here in the south of UK,
we had about 12 inches of snow overnight, and I am not a happy bunny).
This photo taken about 10 days ago, the plant is growing in a 10inch pot and
has 18 spikes (I think about 140 flowers, make it a different number each
time I try to count them) I cant stake it as it is impossible to get stakes
in. No more on this scale I promise. Regards, Sheila.

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From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] South Dakota???
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:05

Hi David and Everyone − Yes, we got plenty of snow around here too.
I have lived in this house for nearly 25 years now but have never had
this amount of snowfall to deal with before, average about 10-12
inches over everything. I wonder if it got down to Geoff ?? You may
have had to first dig a path to the greenhouse before you could do
that watering (if you could see to do it as the snow on the roof will
have made everything dark inside) Sheila

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From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sheila's Cymbidiums.
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:10

Hi Geoff, (Good job you came back at the weekend, you would have a difficult time travelling today)
I too used to clean each and every leaf on each and every plant with a mixture of insecticide and Physan before putting them back into the greenhouse in the autumn, and what a lot of muck and dirt you get off the leaves.
I haven't done it for a couple of years but would still advocate it as a good thing to do, so I shall try to make sure it is done again this year, but I would still wage war with the spraying − just in case. Regards, Sheila.

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From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] [OrchidTalk] South Dakota???
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:40

Great pictures David! Makes me feel right at home. In pic 006, is
that a parrot at your feeder? If so, that gives a nice combination of
the tropics and the tundra.

John R

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Snow
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:10

Greetings to you all from snowy northern New York State;
I know that waking up to 12" or so of snow when you are not used to it
can be a shock. Our area has had about 120 inches of snow so far this
winter.(I don't know what that is in cm's but its a bunch) We don't have that much
on the ground as warm spells, rain & such melts it down. Presently there is
30 to 36 inches on the open ground. My cross-country skis & snowshoes are
working fine, and the 4x4 feature on my pickup is OK. Take care & watch out for
Jack Frost. Rick B

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] [OrchidTalk] South Dakota???
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:55

Hello John, Yes it's a ring necked parakeet.They have colonized a very small area to the South East of London. Supposed to have bred from escaped pets. They seem to survive quite easily and come to the bird feeders every morning, and then returning mid afternoon on their way back to their roosts. David

John J. Rupp wrote Re: OrchidTalk] South Dakota???

> Great pictures David! Makes me feel right at home. In pic 006,
> is that a parrot at your feeder? If so, that gives a nice
> combination of the tropics and the tundra.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] South what ????
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:05

Hello Rocky,
We get at least a dozen on the feeders every day. In fact, the RSPB survey that I returned last week said, 1 sparrow, 1 blackbird, 6 goldfinches etc and 14 ring necked parakeets. Sounds like a bird count in Morocco. They are not a pest, don't harm other birds, but can be a bit noisy early on a Summer morning.
David

Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] South what ????

> Hi David,

> Great photos, and yes, we also woke up to snow, but not quite as deep
> as what you had dumped on you.

> As to "Watch out Rocky, it's on the way". I would not mind a few of
> those feathered friends. I did not realise they had settled in your
> area??? Are they a pest, or are they very nice to have in the
> garden??

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:30

Fine. But has anuone used the peru-flora site. Regards

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Bhotplant@aol.com wrote:

> the corrupt site is a google mistake they have appologised

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Weather Gods − snow − and greenhouse temperatures ( some experiments...)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:40

Here, just at the western side of the New Forest, near the coast − Hampshire Avon valley, although actually (just)in Dorset , we had less than one cm of snow this morning my tyre tracks, the first in the estate at 6 am, revealed the gravel of the road surface and all the snow had gone by lunch-time when the outside temperature went up to 3 C ( shade temp in the garden). Temp now 20.00hrs according to the read-outs on my desk from outside sensors ( which may, or may not , be accurate...) 0.5 C in my unheated lean-to ; minus 1.7 C in the garden, and 15.9 C in my orchid-house.

A few months ago I bought a box of 10 mini-maxi thermometers, enabling me to get simultaneous readings form different parts of my greenhouse. The results are quite interesting. Since my reset at the beginning of the year, the lowest temperature anywhere within an inch of the glass at bench level , has been about 11 C ; moving say 25cm inwards across the side bench , and at bench level, the minimum is about 13 C, and when you go another 20 cm, towards the path side of the bench , the figures rises to 15. On the centre benches this is a twin-aisle greenhouse 15 is the invariable figure. It is also 15 as you go upwardly If I try and hang a thermometer in the roof ( there is no roof apex the greenhouse is more or less semi-circular in cross-section) I can t in fact get the thermometer bulbs nearer than about 30cm from the glass, and again 15 C is the figure. Maximum anywhere since 1st Jan and we have had some decent sunshine 25 C.

All of these variations, or lack of them , are explained by the efficiency of my air-circulating fans 2 metre diameter sweep fans a pair of them hung as high as I can get them ( say a metre from the highest point )which draw air down from the roof and towards the benches, allowing a natural convection flow upwardly from the benches at the sides of the greenhouse.

However on the basis of all this, I have already moved my paphs from one side bench to a centre bench − using that freed side-bench for my propagators, supplementary-lit area, and sand bed with warming cables, all for seedlings and young plants all getting extra heat anyway ; and plan now to move my cattleyas from the other side bench to a centre bench, exchanging them for some oncids, zygos, dendrobes, etc, all of which will I hope be happy there. The Vandas and a great deal else hang up and are never too near the glass .

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid journals and names of orchids − a curiosity .
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:20

My copy of the latest ( Jan-Mar 2009) Orchid Digest arrived today, and
disappointed me. It is the first issue from the new author, and I detect a
change in policy from that pursued by the last author Harold Koopowitz . A
change from a mag designed for orchid growers and enthusiasts, to a wannabee
scientific mag with wayward digressions of no interest at all except to some
quite different hobbyists − just like Orchid Review. I hope I'm wrong , and
that my judgement is too soon based on only one issue .

Bad timing too − I have only recently paid my sub for another two years ; if
my fears are correct, I shan't renew again I think.

I don't want to know about Japanese woodblock prints of orchids, which means
10 wasted pages ; 20 pages are devoted to a peer-reviewed revision of an
obscure species ( Chondroscaphe embreeia ) and another six to a small
terrestrial hitherto known from Siberia now found in Alaska.... big deal !
Even including the adverts, lists of donors, slide programs etc ( of no
interest to foreign subscribers) there are only 60 pages , so in fact
something like 14 pages or say 25% is of interest to me, and I suspect ,
most other orchid growers. Down from 90% of the hundred (!) pages of a
Koopowitz edited issue which I picked from my bookcase at random...

An old man's grumble − the world is going to the dogs....

The curiosity ; the (Orchid Digest) author mentioned Paph F C Puddle which
she said was registered by McLaren ( a McLaren , not the well-known one, it
appears ). In fact I thought this was a mistake, but it is confirmed by the
Wildcatt site, and by the RHS site . Now I happen to know that this orchid
was bred in the orchid house at Bodnant , in North Wales, the home of Lord
Aberconway , who was I think at one-time President of the RHS − that Lord
Aberconway is now dead- the place ( and the wonderful garden) is a National
Trust property, although the house is still lived in by − I assume − the
present Lord Aberconway. As it happens I visited it last year . The head
gardener back in the 30's was Fred Puddle, and the orchid bears his name.
What puzzled me is where McLaren came in , although I have now solved the
puzzle by researching Aberconway − the one in question was a Mr McLaren and
his father inherited the title. Interestingly it was registered just four
days before I was born − it has always been a favourite of mine although
currently it is on my list of wants , and not in my collection.

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another Bloom for another day
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:30

An interesting and lovely cymbidium this − Cym sinense is the seed parent .
I don't know any other sinense hybrid.
I have seen it (sinense) growing in Thailand − in one National Park, the
staff had dug up a few hundred of them, used them to plant beds in front of
the HQ building, and then dumped them on the compost heap after they had
flowered. Not an unusual scenario and of course nothing contrary to CITES
there ; but if I had picked up one plant to take home and grow, I should
have committed all kinds of crimes under Thailand laws apart from CITES
etc...
Your plant was bred in New Zealand − an interesting illustration of the
international aspects of our hobby !

Geoff
Ps no snow here to talk about − as mentioned in another message − lucky old
me !

sheila bicknell wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Another Bloom for another day

> Hi Everyone − I've been saving this one for a 'bad' day − Cymbidium Maureen
> Carter 'Chichester' AM/RHS (and it is a 'bad' day here in the south of UK,
> we had about 12 inches of snow overnight, and I am not a happy bunny).
> This photo taken about 10 days ago, the plant is growing in a 10inch pot and
> has 18 spikes (I think about 140 flowers, make it a different number each
> time I try to count them) I cant stake it as it is impossible to get stakes
> in. No more on this scale I promise. Regards, Sheila.

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From: Kenneth Bruyninckx
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:50

All,

When I visit the site my virus scanner gives me a warning that a pdf Trojan (Exploit.PDF-JS.Gen.C03) tries to infect my pc and that it is consequently blocked.

Hence no access to the site.

Maybe everyone should run a full virus scan ;-)

Kind regards,

Kenneth.

Kenneth Bruyninckx

Akerne Orchids

Laarsebeekdreef 4, B-2900 Schoten, Belgium

tel. +32 (0)3 651 40 36 fax +32 (0)3 653 06 76


www.akerne-orchids.com

See us at the following shows and events in 2009:

*BOS 50th Anniversary Show, Bournemouth, UK (February 21-22)
*RHS London Orchid Show, London, UK (March 21-22, preview March 20)
*Orchilim 2009, Alden Biesen, Belgium (April 10-13)
*8e Biennale Internationale d Orchid s, La Hestre, Belgium (May 21-24)
*Open Nursery Weekend, Schoten, Belgium (June 6-7)

Looking for orchid books and magazines? Visit www.orchidbooks.eu

Dennis Read wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora

> Fine. But has anuone used the peru-flora site. Regards

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] South Dakota???
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:35

Hi David,
Thanks for the beautiful pictures.

What kind of birds are those in picture no. 006?

Peter

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:15

Thankyou Kenneth. At least it is not me as I was begining to think it was. Regards

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Journals
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:15

With regard to Geoffs comments about Orchid Review and Orchid Digest I can only agree. They seem to invaded by professional students on grants that allow them to sit up a mountain or tree somewhere looking at an obscure orchid that is of no interest to the average orchid grower who buys and grows plants and buys the journals.
Soon they will remember that ' He who pays the piper calls the tune ' when we stop contributing as the AOS are now finding.
At the moment I am using the internet more and more for information and in doing have discovered an interesting group. It is the McAllen International Orchid Society and can be found at www.miosjournal.org It does have peer reviewed papers but is comparable to old Orchid Reviews. The January issue had an article on the multiplication of a rare Dactylorahza hatagirea by root propagationas it is a valuable root crop for medicines if grown commercially. It will never be grown by hobbyists but there is a reason for the study
When the snow melts ( I should not have annoyed your rain god Roger − we have 6inchesof nsow here now ) I shall be sending my $25 for 12 monthly issues. OK it is not a ' coffee tablemagazine ' but it is interesting reading written by enthusiasts
Regards Dennis

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] South Dakota???
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:30

Hello Peter,
The birds are Ring necked Parakeets. Large flocks around this area are from
a few escaped pets.
David

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora − false alarm ?
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:05

I had no problem opening the enclosures to the e-mail which I copied here. As it happens, there was nothing on the lists that I want to order, but if there had been I would have sent an e-mail . No need to visit the site anyway.

However, intrigued by what has been said, I went to the site www.peru-flora.com which looked very much as I remember it from previous visits . I had no virus warnings and I browsed all the links.

I use Norton 360 security ( 64bit version which is better for security than 32 bit systems as I understand things). But to be quite certain I ran a scan afterwards, and nothing was found.

False alarm ?

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: London Orchid Show
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:40

Has anyone seen a list of exhibitors ?

The RHS site says 30 of them − from as far afield as Venezuela, Colombia
and Taiwan. Venezuela sounds new to me and I had a look at who is there
as per Orchid mall. I have sent e-mails to the two possibilities. Colombia
will be Andrea Niessen I expect, who has done a European tour ( great talk
she did at OSGB − showing lots of quite unknown species ) and is again this
year.

Taiwan there are lots of possibles − but I'd like to know which !

Geoff

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From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Attached Files 'Gloomy' Greenhouse
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:35

Hi − I took these two pictures in my greenhouse today, using my camera with
the flash suppressed hoping to capture the gloomy effect created by all the
snow still on the roof − I'm quite pleased with them.
Regards, Sheila.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Attached Files 'Gloomy' Greenhouse
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:05

Hi Sheila,
I wish my greenhouse was as gloomy as yours.!!!
Gordon.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Attached Files 'Gloomy' Greenhouse
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:45

What a pity that cymbidiums prefer cool temperatures, otherwise you could
just move your chair etc into your greenhouse and enjoy this display all the
time, instead of just popping in and out.

Its a lovely display − I can't see any gloom here !

Geoff

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From: "Blowers, Dave"
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora − false alarm ?
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:25

I visited the site yesterday and immediately got a Trojan Horse
infection (detected by AVG) I won't be doing the same again

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora − false alarm ?

> I had no problem opening the enclosures to the e-mail − which I
> copied here. As it happens, there was nothing on the lists that I
> want to order, but if there had been I would have sent an e-mail .
> No need to visit the site anyway.

> However, intrigued by what has been said, I went to the site -
> www.peru-flora.com which looked very
> much as I remember it from previous visits . I had no virus
> warnings and I browsed all the links.

> I use Norton 360 security ( 64bit version − which is better for
> security than 32 bit systems as I understand things). But to be
> quite certain I ran a scan afterwards, and nothing was found.

> False alarm ?

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hybrid Catt.
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:30

Mornin' all,

I finally picked up enough 'courage' to walk down the garden to my greenhouse. All looked well, and I was greeted by a small Cattleya hybrid that I paid £3.00 for some months ago. Not by any means a fantastic bloom, but at least it brightens up the place.

Two more buds just emerging from another sheath, so not bad for the price.

I wonder if the flowers might just get better in the years to come.

One other item that I feel sure many of us have pondered from time to time. I am almost certainly going to give up trying to grow a few orchids that have beaten me over the years. Do any of you have similar ideas ?????

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: Kenneth Bruyninckx
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora − false alarm ?
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:50

Geoff,

I just know that my Bitdefender anti-virus went bezerk and after 2 or 3 warnings just told me that it had blocked access because of the Exploit.PDF-JS.Gen.C03 trojan

I have no recent experience anymore with Norton (I thought the program, at the time years ago, was too clunky but my brother was and is still a firm Norton addict) so I now use Bitdefender.

Maybe you should try the free online scan of Bitdefender ( http://www.bitdefender.co.uk/ remember to use Internet Explorer to see the free online scan button) ?

Just to demonstrate that anti-virus programs do not all work alike:

Last week I was in need of a "patch" and each time that I downloaded it on my PC running Bitdefender, Bitdefender would scream rape and murder and not only blocked access to the patch but even deleted it altogether.

So, I took my work laptop running McAfee (another trustworthy name in the anti-virus world) and that one did not make a fuss when I downloaded the patch, not even when I ran it!

The next day however, when I came to work and wanted to connect to the network... no network... nothing at all.
My colleagues in the IT department spent a day running scans using various removal tools and gave up in the end supplying me with a newly installed laptop....

The virus/trojan/worm included in that patch, that McAfee did NOT notice, messed up my laptop so good that the only solution was to just re-install the laptop from scratch.

But as you say, using the excel lists Manolo sent round, you have no problems

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Hybrid Catt.
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:15

Maybe Pot Burana Beauty ?

geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peru-Flora − false alarm ?
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:20

I thought it worth a try so I went to your Bitdefender site, and attempted to use it s free scan. Well, it was a good laugh anyway...

Norton said that my system was under attack but I waived the delete and went ahead ; after several attempts ( it needed Active-X control, which also tried to bar it) , I got there , ran the scan, and got the message scan gives doubtfully accurate results , especially in relation to Viruses and Trojans do you want to continue ? At that point I just said No ....

I sometimes think that all Computers are just a big scam !

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: PeruFlora
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:55

Thank you kenneth and Dave. I was beginning to think my marbles were slippingbut it seems I am not alone.
Regards Dennis

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Questions
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:40

Does anyone know anything about supplementary lighting , or know a man who
does ? I don't mean growing solely under lights ( as in a cellar) but using
lamps ( e.g. the 400 watt wide spectrum metal ballast lamps ) to extend the
hours of "daylight" in winter, or boost light levels on dull days in summer
?

I've bought the kit , just pondering how to use it !

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: 400 watt lamps
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:15

Does anyone have any experience of using lamps as supplementary lighting -
to lengthen the day , brighten the day etc -( for orchid growing, naturally)
?... or know a man who does ?

Geoff

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 400 watt lamps
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:40

Hi Geoff,

I am using a light set up for most of my phallys. I am using a combination of cool and warm fluorescent type tubes, bought from a specialist supplier. The lights go on at about 4pm and off at 10pm. Most of my phallys are now either initiating spikes or nearly blooming. However, I only started using it on August, so can't really assure if the results are because of the lighting or because of something else.

If you want, I can send you a couple of photos of my set up.

Regards,

Francis

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 400 watt lamps
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:50

Yes Geoff, I do.
Ronbow.

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From: Anguel Iordanov
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Problem with a Vanda. Please help.
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:15

Hello everyone,

In the last couple of weeks I have noticed that my Vanda is deteriorating
really vast and has lost most of its leaves too (please see picture vanda1)

Today I inspected it closer and it looks like all the roots are dead. I cut
all of them and have put the plant in a glass ball with some water at the
bottom. The plant was placed in a smaller ball so it doesn't touch the
water. The large ball is place into a clear plastic bag. Currently the
humidity inside the bag is 55% and the temperature is 23.5C (Celsius). The
pot is place away from the window in the darkest corner of the room. (Please
see pictures vanda2 and vanda3)

Can anyone advise if this is enough to safe the plant or is this a lost
case? Anything else I can do?

Many thanks.

Anguel

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Problem with a Vanda. Please help.
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:20

I expect some will tell you to try this and that, and persevere ; what fun
it will be when ( if ! ) it flowers again in the year 2028...I'd sya you
stand a pone in a thousand chance of seeing that.

If it were mine I'd bin it , and go out and buy another. My hobby is growing
flowering plants ; not running a hospital/morgue.

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Hybrid Catt.
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:25

Evenin' Geoff,

Potinara Burana Beauty it will be, thanks very much. Will write the label tomorrow.

Cheers, Rodge.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Anguek's Vanda.
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:35

Hello Anguel,

Your Vanda that is not looking to well is one that many of us have seen I feel sure.

Myself, I have had this problem and cannot say exactly what caused it, but, I do like your effort and system that you are using to try to help it grow into a good plant once again.

Yes, there are many ways which people use on this type of orchid to try to revive it. Often none of them work, sometimes some of them do work, but it will be a long job.

Please let us know how the plant responds to your treatment.

Fingers crossed for you, or as the Germans say "Thumbs pressed".

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A few items.
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:35

Mornin' all,

A most horrible morning here, cold, raining, and possibly turning to sleet and snow.....so what better than to sit in the warm.

And talking of warm, I am a bit jealous of Sheila's greenhouse, because it is a lean-to type of structure.

I have always dreamt of either living in a house with a nice south west facing wall that would be just the place to have a lean-to greenhouse built. The high back wall would be just the place to hang many plants, after the wall had been suitably plastered and made waterproof. And the bonus would be that it would benefit in the Winter from some heat from the house. Dream on Rocky.....I live in a bungalow. Of course the alternative would be to have a nice walled garden with a lean-to built onto the wall. Dream on again, I'm to old and fixed to even think of moving.

So, Sheila I am sure that your lean-to will provide us with some more images in the future.

And now I am going to have a go at Geoff with his reply to Anguel for his request for some help.

Come on Geoff, the man asked for some constructive advice, not a put down. There is in fact some great enjoyment in trying to revive plants, and I feel absolutely sure that many of us have heard of and tried some ingenious and often bizarre methods, as have people from all over the world. Yes, the odds are stacked against getting this plant back to normal, but they are by no means definitely in favour of the Bookmaker.

If we did not try.....we would never learn.

Mornin' all, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Miami 2008.
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:55

Hi all,

The images came via my friend some time ago, and I was just looking at them again, I thought that some of them would be of interest.

Number 1 sure is a well grown plant.
Number two, 3 and 4 make we wonder!!!!!
Numbers 5 and 6. I make this remark. If those were my plants, growing in wooden baskets, I would be so chuffed to see the roots holding on to the struts. Why is most of the wooden basket covered up ????? Is there something to hide?

Rocky.

P.S. I 'highlighted the six images from 6 to 1, but they still do not come out in correct order ????? Anyone know FOR SURE how to get round this item>

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A different orchid for the weekend
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:25

Thought you may like this one. It is Lycaste Fabienne. It started with its first flower before Christmas and is now opening its15th flower each one being about 8 cm wide. The finished blooms have been cut off.
Regards from a chilly Devon -for a time last night this area was cut off due to heavy snow. I really must have upset your weather god in Hampshire. Dennis

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few items.
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:40

I'll take issue with that, Roger. Not a put-down at all . Just honest
advice.

Why do people grow orchids ? Not just so as to be able to boast ' I grow
orchids' , not these days , Mr and Mrs everyman grow orchids , who doesn't !

People , most people , grow orchids for their flowers. What is more
discouraging than to have some near-dead wisp, which is a remnant of a plant
, hanging on to life, and giving nothing in return for all the care lavished
on it , year after year after year .

I regard it as the best advice I can possibly give to anyone interested in
orchids who has such a plant − throw it away and go out and buy a good one.
Doesn't cost much, either , these days. Yesterday in M & S , I bought a
couple of nice phallies − a good large-ish white ( for 2009 , the old
giants, the Cast Iron Monarchs with their 6 inch flowers have gone ) ,
beautiful plant − clean strong leaves, excellent pot of roots, first
spike, 4 flowers and four buds − £9.99 ; and another excellent flat,'what I
call 'square' flowers , same dimension N-S as E-W , interesting shade of
chestnut/orange , same kind of superb plant again ( said to be British, too
(!) although fewer flowers , same price ( and got triple points with an
offer voucher , a whole30 pence off each , ha-ha. ) ( now don't start
again telling me how you bought some near dead ones at a fraction of the
price Roger , that's not orchid growing that you do , it's running a care
home , you missed your vocation ! ( another joke).

We all have our little peculiarities you know , yours is nursing near-dead
plants back to life, and I expect you succeed with some ( beginners don't
though )! ) . Mine is throwing away poor plants, so that my greenhouse is
full of life. Maybe when one approaches 80 , one doesn't want reminders of
mortality in plants any more than people ?

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] A few items.

> ...Come on Geoff, the man asked for some constructive advice, not a put down.
> There is in fact some great enjoyment in trying to revive plants, and I feel
> absolutely sure that many of us have heard of and tried some ingenious and
> often bizarre methods, as have people from all over the world. Yes, the
> odds are stacked against getting this plant back to normal, but they are by
> no means definitely in favour of the Bookmaker.
>
> If we did not try.....we would never learn.

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From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Re: [OrchidTalk] Miami 2008.
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:10

Rocky,

That "FOR SURE" request might be hard to keep with. I use Mozilla
Thunderbird for email, but imagine this should work in any system. When
I have multiple attachments and want them in a particular order, I
attach them one at a time in the desired order of appearance. This has
NOT FAILED ME, YET but probably will now that I have said it works so well.

Good luck,

John R

Roger Grier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The images came via my friend some time ago, and I was just looking at
> them again, I thought that some of them would be of interest.
> ...
> Rocky.
>
> P.S. I 'highlighted the six images from 6 to 1, but they still do not
> come out in correct order ????? Anyone know FOR SURE how to get round
> this item>

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: a few pics and a few questions...
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:30

57 − an unusual generic combination − Phaius and Calanthe. Unfortunately I
can't remember the grex name. Habit is like the deciduous Calanthes -
flowers from a single bulb, and you can divide each year. Bulbs tend to be
silvery. Mine, like many of my orchids has been sub-par for a few years,
just come back into sufficient condition to flower . Well grown should give
at least twice as many flowers I think ( the Calanthe parent is likely to
give 20 or more ; the Phaius far less).

Name please ?

58 − a dergormora . First flowering for me. Will do much better than this
I'm sure.

59-60 I split up a big Dendrochilum and this is one of the divisions. Lost
the label. I think it's cobbianum- comment ?

61 Typical winter ( pretty gloomy too at times − that's one reason for
trying supplementary lights − ) spike here. Under better conditions will
double this flower count ( has done before, should do again ).

62 The Paph is an early hybrid white ; never as well-shaped as other colours
; for interest only.

63. 64 I recall last year a discussion ending up with me being satisfied
that this is not the true mooreana , if such a thing exists, but a hybrid.
But I've forgotten which. If you will be patient and tell me again, I'll
print a new label this time ; really I will ! This year somewhere between
20 and 30 spikes ; better flower count than ever − many spikes are 10s, as
the one shown here ( although the tenth has yet to open). Last year I think
it was 7s, 8s and maybe a 9. Now it is all 9s and 10s.

name please ?

Geoff

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few items.
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:10

Hello Rocky,
Living in a bungalow in no excuse for not having a conservatory attached to it.I live in a bungalow and you have seen a picture of the conservatory. My trouble is that it is to big to economically heat to a temperature high enough for Orchids, I mean the type that I want to grow.Size wise its about 30 x14 feet and I think some 18 feet at the roof peak. I can see no reason to plaster and waterproof the wall. It is rather attractive 2 inch hand tossed red brick At the now price of fuel I get a cold sweat just thinking of it.
When I built it I used to tell anyone who asked that I was going to grow Orchids in it when I retired. Unfortunately I had no idea of the conditions that Orchids required and would have at least made it lower. It costs an arm and a leg just to heat the 16 x 8 foot greenhouse in which I grow my plants and I have the benefit of lower cost night store, known in UK as Economy 7 heating
Weather wise we have got off relatively lightly at Newcastle, only about 2 inches about 50 mil of snow but − about -10 Celsius of frost at night. Its -2C now at 21.00.hrs and with some snow forecast, but then they forecast snow 3 days ago and it rained infact.
Don't see much global warming, roll on Spring.

Cheers,
Ronbow.

Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] A few items.

> Mornin' all,

> A most horrible morning here, cold, raining, and possibly turning
> to sleet and snow.....so what better than to sit in the warm.

> And talking of warm, I am a bit jealous of Sheila's greenhouse,
> because it is a lean-to type of structure.

> I have always dreamt of either living in a house with a nice south
> west facing wall that would be just the place to have a lean-to
> greenhouse built. The high back wall would be just the place to
> hang many plants, after the wall had been suitably plastered and
> made waterproof. And the bonus would be that it would benefit in
> the Winter from some heat from the house. Dream on Rocky.....I
> live in a bungalow. Of course the alternative would be to have a
> nice walled garden with a lean-to built onto the wall. Dream on
> again, I'm to old and fixed to even think of moving.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Miami 2008. And I was there with Ron
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:55

The phals were growing in plastic pots and shows in Florida usually hide the pot. Last week I put a Enc. cochleatum in a show with an old wood basket. The flowers were dancing in the air and it was hard to see the plant no less the basket. But the club members that put the exhibit in wanted a flow of flowers and didn't want to show how it was grown. Many visitors only look at the color. You and I know better.
By the way, I bought the Enc. cochleatum in 1949 and it has been in bloom for almost all of that time. Yes I have a division so if I lost it I would still have a piece of the original plant.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A different orchid for the weekend
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:00

Great looking plant Dennis.
Gordon.

Dennis Read wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] A different orchid for the weekend

> Thought you may like this one. It is Lycaste Fabienne.

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: My lighting growing set up.
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:10

Hi all,

As promised for Geoff, here are some pictures of how I grow some of my plants under lights.

Please excuse the quality of the pictures, but it was quite dark outside, and with the lights on and even the flash, the pictures came up quite dark.

The first picture shows the whole unit, with its four shelves and I have labelled what I have on every shelf.

On the top shelf, all the plants have previously flowered but one, a Phal mariae that I was given by David (It hink to remember it was David?), which is actually throwing now a spike. The four large spikes that you can see now are from hybrid Phallys. The open flower is a Phal bellina going over now, and there are also two more species in there.

The second shelf has all my other Phal species, although they are mostly seedlings. However, there are two plants in spike, so I am quite looking forward to their first flowerings.

On the second photo you can also see some twiggy things growing on that shelf. They are Phaius tankervillaie growing off old flower spikes. It is the first time I have managed to get them to not rot. And I have got three little plants. Hopefully they will now produce a new bulb and get stronger?

Now to the details of the set up:

There is a gap of 16 inches between every shelf unit. The light tubes are two cool and to warm whites. The cool ones can be appreciated better in one of the pictures as the two more creamy coloured ones (although when in light, you cannot see a difference in the light emmited). All of them are 18 watts, so a total of 72 watts per shelf. Plants are about 6 inches from the lights for the mature plants. The tubes do not heat up too much, in fact, by 10pm, before they go off, you can still touch them and they only feel warm.

The lights are on two different leads, so I can have only two shelves lit up if I choose too.

Hope this helps anyone with ideas.

Regards,

Francis

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A different orchid for the weekend
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:15

Lovely flowers. I won t say a word about the foliage size.

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Coelogyne ?
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:25

Geoff. The dicussion was about C. mossiae and that looks similar to the plant I bought from the New Zealand company that used to come to Newbury.as C. mossiae. I eventually labelled mine C. Unchained Melody although more names were mentioned.
A picture of C. Mooreana 'Westonbirt' is attached
Regards

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne ?
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:30

Whoops ! or should that be oops ? mossiae is/must be the one I meant .

Too many b****y senior moments this week....

Anyway , thanks for that ; I do remember Unchained Melody, now.

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A different orchid for the weekend
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:15

Not as big as Cymbidiums and they drop each year! Dennis

--- On Sat, 7/2/09, geoff hands wrote:

> Lovely flowers. I won t say a word about the foliage size.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My lighting growing set up.
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:40

Hello Francis
Very interesting to see your set-up under lights. Although I grow in a
greenhouse I supplement the light at this time of year with a 20watt low
energy bulb for two of my species Phals that are spiking early. As they are
small I can hang them up about four inches at either side of the bulb. (Phal
hainanensis, Phal chibae) this helps to stop the buds going yellow and
dropping off.
I see that you have some in sphagnum moss. I also have a few growing like
that, but as they get larger I find they grow stronger and healthier roots
if I use 50% sphagnum moss, and the other 50%, a mixture of chopped cork and
sponge rock. Don't change your method, it's just an observation on my part,
that works for me.
David

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