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15—21 December

From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paul's new greenhouse.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008

Hello OrchidTalk'ers,

Last week, Roger and I confounded messages about a greenhouse that I
recently built. Roger asked that I post some pic's and notes with the
idea that some of the rest of you might have some interest. After a
weekend of cleaning, arranging, and semi-organizing, in spite of a
nasty winter storm, I can show you a few things

Previously, my wife and I were growing our orchids and some other
plants in a 10x18 ft greenhouse and a `fixed-up' area of an old
garage. Over time the greenhouse become too difficult to heat and was
too small. So, we finally built a 18x36 ft (15' high) greenhouse,
which now houses all of the orchids from the old lodgings.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paul's new greenhouse.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008

Mornin' all,

Paul's new greenhouse. To say that anyone would be 'Highly Chuffed' with such an achievement would be an understatement. That must be just about everyone's dream orchid house.

I will try to 'order' Paul to send us some more photos in the future to show us all how things progressed.

Don't understand all of those minus quantities he quoted about the temperature.....or don't want to know !!!

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paul's new greenhouse.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008

G'day Roger et al.,

Right now, I would love to have a mere excessive rainfall and cloudy
skies to deal with!

It is now about 7:00 am in eastern South Dakota. The storm finished
last night. Officially, the nearby town reported an 8" snowfall,
winds gusted over 45 mph from the NNW. This morning's low temperature
is -15dF, with a -41dF windchill, with winds in the 15 mph range. The
sun is about to rise. Last evening I used our snowblower to remove a
40" high, ca. 20 ft wide drift that formed across our driveway; this
was the same drift that was only knee-high yesterday morning. Now,
much of that space is occupied by two drifts that are only a little
smaller than the one removed. We are still unaware of the condition
of the roads accessing our place, but radio reports note that many of
the roads in our part of the county are closed until the big plows
show-up sometime today. Neither of us will be to work on time today.

Orchidologically, I still need to access matters in the greenhouse,
but on my last trip to it last night the wind was `sucking' so much
heat that the internal temperature was down into the low 50's F at 5'
off the floor. That's okay for the cool growing plants, but. . . One
of the things that adds to the frustrations of growing around here in
winter is that during periods of high electrical demand (like in cold
winter storms!) the utilities have their computers automatically
restrict power supplies. So, the heaters in the greenhouse were only
operating at a fraction of their potential. Unfortunately, we were
unable to install a methane-powered backup heater before the storm
arrived, and now we cannot do it for awhile because of the deep snow.

cheers,

Paul

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paul's new greenhouse.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008

I found your account very interesting as I have designed and built at least
four of my greenhouses in my orchid growing life.

We could not get away with a 15 ft high one here ; our Planning Laws in
general say that whilst no permission is needed for any "temporary
structure" − so that the off-the-peg greenhouse gets away without planning
permission on that basis, once you start putting in foundations, the
Planning people say that it is no longer "temporary" , but in any case
permission is automatically needed for any structure over 9 feet high. I
have had 11ft high greenhouses, but only by digging the floor down below
ground level − for there is nowhere I have ever lived across the length of
England, where there would have been even the faintest chance of getting
planning permission . ( We are − in my opinion − ridiculously over-regulated
in so many ways, of which this is one.)

I don't think any of the conventional green-house makers in UK , selling
"off-the-peg" designs use polycarb , except for the very thin twin-wall
stuff, ( 5mm ? ) and that has poor structural rigidity and not very
brilliant insulation value. The 16mm triple wall you used − which is the
same as I had on my 20 x 30 pit house where I lived in our Cotswolds , is
much better in both respects , but I couldn't persuade anyone to quote me
for building a greenhouse with it when I moved to my present address. The
problem is that all the GH makers use aluminium glazing bars, which are
good, untrussed, for total widths of say 10ft, meaning individual glazing
bars up to say 7 ft , but not beyond that. For a wider house, like you have
and I wanted, their equivalent of the trussed roof is steel portal frames,
which are horrendously expensive .

I'm sure you will enjoy your new house, and so will your orchids when they
settle down into it.

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008

Pic shows my Cycnodes Taiwan Gold "Orchis" in flower last year. This year -
the buds are just starting to open − it has two spikes each of seven
flowers. So spike count better, flower count better, but per spike less good
. So if I can grow it better yet in 2009 , maybe I can see 12 flowers on
each of two spikes ? Actually the plant started a third spike this year, but
aborted, The sky is the limit perhaps ?

I had decided to use it on my "card" to you , but realising that the next
week is pretty busy, thought I would use last years pic and do it now.

But the card says all the message.

Geoff

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Geoff's greenhouse notes
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008

Geoff,

Actually, and technically, my greenhouse is a temporary structure as
well. Like you, if I had placed it on a concrete or other "permanent"
foundation the a variety of zoning laws would apply, building taxes
would be imposed, and there would have been a height limit. In fact,
despite appearances, and by advice of the county zoning officer my
structure is framed on 16 12-foot 4x4" posts, which makes it a pole-
barn structure, an agricultural building. We could get away with this
because we live well outside a city limits, but we still had to get
siting approval because it was within 135 ft of the township road, the
standard setback minimum. The fact that the building site was
surrounded by trees, hence hidden from view from the road, there were
few other sites on the property to build, and there was a garage
already within the setback limit, allowed approval by the zoning
board. Still, it cost us $100 for that bureaucratic decision.

There are plenty of greenhouse makers in the US that use polycarbonate
and most have aluminum or steel framing. Though most any design using
10 mm or more thickness is a special order, hence much more
expensive. Too, none of the makers here really design anything for
northern climates as standard offers. So, I designed everything
myself, did all the technical footwork, and basically was my own
contractor for everything. Most of the carpentry is mine, all the
wiring, all the plumbing, and about 2 months of every weekend and most
evenings; but my wife helped with the finishing. In the U.S. and
Canada, the company Sundance Supply (www.sundancesupply.com) is a
great source for various sizes of polycarbonate, has the best prices
for non-commercial volumes, and also sells the various trim items.
Through them the poly can be ordered pre-cut to basic sizes in one
foot increments, which makes construction a heck of a lot easier.

In addition to general utility, my other considerations revolved
around the actual needs for orchids. Since light is usually in excess
in most greenhouse designs, there is no real advantage to translucent
northern aspects at this Latitude, and for energy reasons insulated
roof and walls were built. The big offset is that internally the wood
structure had to be made as water resistant or waterproof, especially
from condensation, as possible. So, treated lumber was used, regular
lumber in the trusses (much less expensive than metal, $450 for 9
trusses, including delivery) was painted multiple times, and the walls
are covered with vinyl sheets. Quit a lot of waterproof silicone
caulking was used, too. Based on other greenhouses that I have used
or built, I expect this one to last a good 15-20 years, which should
be plenty of time before I either move to a warmer climate, or get my
ashes spread in the Pacific Ocean.

BTW, the Paph's and Phrag's are already responding quite well!

cheers,

Paul

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: To brighten your day
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008

Thanks Sheila − Yes the winter is the difficult bit. I only have two in a
spare bedroom right now but I think it does get too warm and dry. I had
three spikes year before last but I have split it now and dont think I will
get anything this year.
Regards, Alex

sheila bicknell writes:

> Alex − I was taught to grow Cymbidiums in a Rockwool and Foam mix (named
> Epiphoam − Google it for more info and current supplier), and have continued
> to do so for the past 20 years! It suits me and the way I grow my
> Cymbidiums.
> The plants are outside from Mid/late May until late September or early
> October and then go into a greenhouse with a minimum night temperature of
> between 8C/10C. Any additional day lift in the temperature dependent on
> the weather/sun − or lack of it, what-ever nature provides.
> Sarah-Jean has recently been brought into an unheated garden room attached
> to my home for me to enjoy ! Cymbidiums will not do well in normal 'human'
> living conditions which are generally much too warm, especially at night.
> I do know some-one who grows and flowers Cymbidiums very well (in outer
> London, which is probably a few degrees warmer than here) they are outside
> from late spring until almost first frosts, then into an unheated lean-to
> greenhouse, and they flower like crazy.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paul's new greenhouse.
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008

When am I going to see a picture ( not a piccy that is a baby ) of this greenhouse?
Regards from a dismal Devon. Dennis

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Coelogyne multiflora
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008

Thankyou for the views of your greenhouse, more like an orchid bungalow in Britain. It reminded me of the three winters spent in St. John, New Brunswick but as we were near the sea we never got it as bad as central north USA. You are either totally mad or fullt dedicated to grow orchids in those conditions but I salute you.
As to C. multiflora − have you flowered it? I have been trying for 6 or 7 years with no success. If you have what do you reccomend.
Regards from a positively sweltering 8C in Devon. Dennis

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Deva Orchids
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008

I understand that Deva Orchids have closed and they are having a sale. They are not answering their phone or Emails. Any suggestions.
Regards Dennis

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cymbidium culture.
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008

Hi to you all,

Having read what Alex said about his Cymbidiums spurs me on to ask 'Our Sheila' to write what she thinks is the best way to treat Cymbidiums.

I for one do not think that they just grow from year to year and never produce flowers, but I know that they can be so very frustrating.

To start off by throwing in my five penneth I would like to say this.

If the plant looks good at the start of our Spring weather then gradually water and feed it as much as you can. And during our best months, give it hell. Meaning, feed and water it to the utmost.

After all, if you are looking at a fair sized Cymbidium, then there is an awful lot of plant material to feed.

Regards, Rodge.

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Deva Orchids
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008

Yes Chris Channon is closing down by the end of december. He was at our
club meeting in november with plant lists and prices 60% off he said. A lot
of of plants on the list saying the nursery would be open weekdays in
december from 10am to 1pm so i am surprised the phone isnt being answered.
Regards, Alex

Dennis Read writes:

> I understand that Deva Orchids have closed and they are having a sale. They are not answering their phone or Emails. Any suggestions.

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne multiflora
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008

Hello Dennis,
Dedicated? Maybe more like obstinate! Mad? Most likely.

My one C. multiflora flowered last winter, I believe in February, with
two inflorescences, but I had purchased it only the summer before.
There is no indication of an inflorescence, yet, for this season.
What I did differently I am not sure, though it likely received more
water and fertilizer during the summer and autumn previously than in
the recent seasons, and probably also had warmer temperatures.
Otherwise, it is hanging with the pot about 7 ft off the floor, bright
light, regular watering. It has now filled a 6 inch basket and is in
long-fibre sphagnum, which probably needs changing now. Since it
supposed to be a species of middle-elevation in forest openings in
northern Sulawesi, it should be an intermediate to warm grower with
plenty of moisture, and good drainage.

Paul

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Deva Orchids
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008

1000 to 1300 hrs. only.
Gordon.

Dennis Read wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Deva Orchids

> I understand that Deva Orchids have closed and they are having a
> sale. They are not answering their phone or Emails.. Any
> suggestions.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Deva Orchids
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008

No suggestions ; but I am sorry to hear that. Chris Channon was a good guy ( hope he still is ! ) He started growing orchids as a teenager, and just carried on as his self-employment I believe. Of course he didn t get down our way very often − in fact I have only seen him at the London Show occasionally, and come to think of it have not seen him for a year or two but then I didn t go to Peterborough this year.

He was, I think, a member of Cheshire & North Wales OS , so John Stanley may have info. Are you there John ? stop dreaming of what Santa may bring you you ve go it already ay your age !

Tell all ?

Geoff

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Greetings
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008

May I take this opportunity to wish all "chatters and lurkers" a very Merry Xmas and a Happy and prosperous New Year.
Gordon.

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From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cymbidium culture.
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008

Roger − I second your comments re lots of water and feed during the 'growing season' − UK spring and summer − and happy to share info on how I grow my Cymbidiums with all who are interested −
Back in August I posted a fairly detailed account in reply to the same query from Jim, any-one interested can see this on the Orchid-talk website www.orchid-talk.co.uk in the archive section 27th August 2008.
Happy to take any follow-on queries as and when.
Regards, Sheila

Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Cymbidium culture.

> Hi to you all,

> Having read what Alex said about his Cymbidiums spurs me on to
> ask 'Our Sheila' to write what she thinks is the best way to
> treat Cymbidiums.

> I for one do not think that they just grow from year to year and
> never produce flowers, but I know that they can be so very
> frustrating.

> To start off by throwing in my five penneth I would like to say
> this.

> If the plant looks good at the start of our Spring weather then
> gradually water and feed it as much as you can. And during our
> best months, give it hell. Meaning, feed and water it to the
> utmost.

> After all, if you are looking at a fair sized Cymbidium, then
> there is an awful lot of plant material to feed.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid trade gossip...
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008

Deva... closing down because Chris has now started to draw his Navy pension,
and would rather have leisure time...

McBeans...have shut two of their greenhouses , and laid off two of their
staff , economic circumstances ...

Ivens... up for sale , asking price £1.5m ... I'm still laughing at that one
....and yes, they are serious. It seems that since Terry died, and Jean has
retired, the two families now involved in running the business do not get on
with one another. And I suppose , just guessing , that neither can afford
to/wants to/could possibly raise a loan to , buy out the other . Not if they
put that valuation on it anyway !

Cest la vie.

Geoff

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Deva Orchids
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008

Hi Folks, as Alex has indicated, there is surprise at the lack of respomse
to Chris Channon's Deva Orchids 'phone (lack of) response.
I have reied on several occasions and, in despair, have assumed the
'throaty' peep to be an un-announced answerphone rather than a possible FAX
swirtch but he hasn't come back to me.

Possibly, if any of you interested in making contact can chain their numbers
(ie. without publishing all our phone nimbers, any one of us could get them
to Chris if we strike licky!), something could be done. I have tried to
find his mobile no but to no avail. I have to say that all the time I've
known Chris (several years) I've usually only succeeded on leaving an
answerphone message and that hasn't always (apparently) been recognised.

John Stanley

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Deva Orchids
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008

Hi Geoff n everyone,
I am sad (no − delighted) to say that I haven't experienced quite so many Christmases as Geoff. (but I think it's jonly-a rumour that he's experienced the full set!).

I am not daydreaing enough to be unaware that I and Chris Channon are members of CANWOS. As Geoff has said, Chris was early into orchids and was most energeric in the early days of this Society. Before my time (in CANWOS) he had been (I believe) Sec, Newsletter Editor and general dogsbody.He has always been very supportive of CANWOS and only recently has his business kept him from attending as regularly as he once did. However, he 'did a turn' for us at a recent 'in house' discussion meeting and we hope he'll keep his interesr in the Society even after his professional orchid work finishes. May I suggest that if anyone manages to contact Chris, telephonically, they should tell him that several others have tried unsuccesfully to do likewise and that he could do worse than get his 'phone checked.before the end of December!

Re Christmas prezzies from Santa;
I must say I've never thought of you as rotund enough for a Santa Geoff − rather too elegant I'd have thought − but since you offer, can I, on behalf of CANWOS, have an orchid society secretary, a treasurer, a chairman and a newsletter editor. They will do freeze dried so long as they can be thawed and prodded into activity by September 2009. Otherwise, as you suggest, I have all I need except, possibly, for a few Gig of extra memory which I'd be happy to have trepanned into my gradually emptying skull. Where do all those memories go when they're forgotten?

Happy Christmas, New Year, Birthday or whatever it we're celebrating!
John, 'Stan' or whoever I am

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Latest Phals to flower
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008

Hello everyone,
Here are some pictures of my latest Phals to flower. They are about a
month earlier than usual, and they have been very slow to come out, due
to the dark weather.
David

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Coelogyne and Eria.
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008

Hi all,

Having read the recent comments about Coelogynes, I must say that this genus, and that of Eria has always interested me. This first came about when I killed many of my first plants, which was yonks ago. Now I grow them.

Many years ago I first saw a very large photograph of Coelogyne cristata draped over a steep cliff, and that was what interested me.

In the next day or so I aim to have a look at the root structure of a couple of plants from each Genus that I have, under the lens of my home microscope.

A dreadful pun, but all will be revealed !!!

Watch this space, Rocky.

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