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15—21 August

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008

Hi David,
Now I see why the leaves and flowers have that#"gleam"#!!!.

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,

> Hello Gordon,
> The compost is chopped up wine corks...

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: cymbidium questions − when to repot?
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008

Hi Orchid gurus!

I bought a bunch of cymbidium "plugs" 6 months ago and they are growing like weeds. I thought I put them in a plently big pot but.... Should these be repotted? or maybe can some one provide some Ideas of when to repot, For instance Oncidiums and Catleyas "when you see the roots climbing out of the pot it is time to repot".

Thanks a bunch!

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cymbidium bulb rot − preventive ideas − fungicide?
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008

Hi,
Any Ideas of what to do about cymbidium bulb rot. It is raining a lot here every day. Can bulb rot be treated with fungicide?

Thanks,

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Way back before meristemming was invented ( mid #60s) we all #knew# that you just couldn#t propagate orchids by cuttings of any kind. Unlike other plants which can be propagated from bits of leaf (begonias) bits of stem (chrysanthemums) bits of root ( some primulas) etc.

So when meristemming came along , lots of people said # hey, maybe that#s all an old wives tale. And started experimenting.

Lo and behold # if you culture cattleya leaf bits the right way you can grow them # but you can#t produce roots or flowers, only leaf.

And it was also discovered that if you take a live piece of phal root and culture it, you can grow more phal root # but no leaves or flowers.

I take this to mean that a piece of live root which continues growing is not necessarily passing nutrient back to the rest of the plant.

And if its only connected by the wiry core # which I understand to be merely the physical attachment with no equivalent of cambium cells ( maybe they are still called that) then it is useless to the plant. So I cut them off, in such circumstances.

Geoff

David Martin wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,

> Hello Gordon,

> The compost is chopped up wine corks, sponge rock, few bits of
> Dynarock or perlag and about a fifth New Zealand sphagnum moss. I
> vary it according to which plant it is.

> I would consider mounting venosa except for the fact that I have so
> many mounted, and finding somewhere that doesn't drip on plants
> below is getting difficult. Also it's one of the medium sized ones
> and mounting them leads to a root explosion. I tried an experiment
> with Phal phillipinensis this Spring. I mounted it on a piece of
> cork bark that is 2 ft long by 5 inches wide. The roots have grown
> right up to the top and half way back down again, much more that
> would be expected in a pot. An odd thing is that one of the roots I
> tied on initially has a quarter inch piece missing, only the wiry
> centre is there and I thought it would die off. It's growing just
> as strongly as the others, so it's obviously passing food back to
> the plant, or is it just staying alive on it's own?

> I normally use Cork bark to mount plants but have used Oak bark and
> Silver birch successfully.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shows...
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Anyone interested in the BOGA Orchid Fayre, later this month, at Dinton
Pastures ( which can be found by googling − rather than using maps ) may be
interested to have full details including list of exhibitors − here is a
link to the web-page with all these details.

http://www.boga.org.uk/index.html

If anyone knows any similar details of the BOC Congress which is a month
later, I shall be pleased to know .

I registered for the BOC event when it was announced − in fact I was sent
an invitation ( never had that before ) − but have heard nothing more about
it, and after spending some time searching the BOC references on the
internet still can't find anything . Maybe something has gone wrong, in
these days of economic gloom, and it will be cancelled.

I cancelled my hotel booking some time ago ; I have a lot of demands on my
time and money and can't do everything . If it seems worthwhile for me I
shall perhaps go and just stay one night, find a B & B somewhere.

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roots.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

I agree with Geoff about cutting off the piece of root that LOOKS to be alright, but I do not chance it, especially if it does start to deteriorate.

Also, the remaining part of the root often sends out more that one replacement.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Silver Birch bark.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

David mentioned the use of Silver Birch bark and I am guessing that some of you may be rather puzzled at this, especially when you may have seen photographs of a Silver Birch, or even stood next to 'young' trees.

A Silver Birch tree conjures up imaginations of a silver bark, paper thin, but when you do encounter a very old Silver Birch and look at the lowest part of the trunk................wow, what a deeply furrowed bark it has. And don't ever stumble or fall on to it !!!!!

It makes an excellent perch for an orchid.

Rocky.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Hello Geoff,
I wondered how the root could still be alive. I have snipped the wiry core in half and see what happens. I did read somewhere that Phal stuartiana is one of the only ones to produce plants from a broken off root. I have been searching through Christenson's book but can't find it now.
David

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: cymbidium questions − when to repot? − forgot fotos 1st time
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Hi Orchid gurus!

I bought a bunch of cymbidium "plugs" 6 months
ago and they are growing like weeds. I thought I put them in a plently
big pot but.... Should these be repotted? or maybe can some one
provide some Ideas of when to repot, For instance Oncidiums and
Catleyas "when you see the roots climbing out of the pot it is time to
repot".

Thanks a bunch!

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: softcane dendrobiums − nobile and the likes
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Hi,

I have a several softcane dendrobiums ( dendrobium nobile, Dendrobium albosanguineum, and many similar funky named hybrids). Some grow strait up and fairly rigid fairly sturdy, and some ( of the same species ) seem to be droopy, can't hold themselves up. They seem to flower similarly nice. What is the deal? Why do some fall, or never grow upwards? someone said it was light stong light makes them reach upwards. When there is low to mediem light seem to sag or be droopy.

Any Insight would be much appreciated.

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

That is a new one to me # could be useful #P, stuartiana is a plant I love, and have bought and lost so many times !. I wish I could believe it, though !

Geoff

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....

> Hello Geoff,

> I wondered how the root could still be alive. I have snipped the
> wiry core in half and see what happens. I did read somewhere that
> Phal stuartiana is one of the only ones to produce plants from a
> broken off root. I have been searching through Christenson's book
> but can't find it now.

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From: Anguel Iordanov
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Highly Chuffed.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Hi There. Can you please give me the web address for this supplier. This
plant is beatiful.

Thanks,

Anguel

Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Highly Chuffed.

> Hi all,

> Yes, I am 'Highly Chuffed', as my plant of L.C. Loog Tone 'African beauty'
> is in bloom. I purchased this plant earlier this year from 'Our Italian
> Friend's.....Azienda Agricola Nardotto e Capello. As always their plants
> are excellent.

[Snip]

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Oncidium nubigenum.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

This little orchid was purchased at this year's London Orchid Show from 'Peru Orchids'. The flowers are only about as big as the finger nail on my little finger.

It does seem, after looking at photos of this species on the Internet that it has many different colour forms.

I sure do like the flowers on my plant, and if you look carefully you can see the bottom of the two sepals just showing at the base of the lip.

I also like the yellow 'lure' that attracts the insect.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Stanhopea
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

My Stanhopea just opened this morning, and as usual what a fantastic perfume. Quite overpowering. Thing is, although I bought it from Madeira some fourteen years ago, I do not have a name for it.

I have E-mailed Dick Hartley asking him if he knows, but if any of you do, then please sing out.

I have many more photos of it, so if anyone is interested I can always put up a few more photos...close ups etc.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Three new ones.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Hi all,

Three first time flowerings for me.

The 'Red one' I like as the colouring is different from the normal type.

The 'Upside down' chappie does not seem to know which way to face!!!!! A second large spike will soon open its flowers so I will see what it produces. This is a large plant with more new growths and I am very happy with it.

The 'Cattleya' type thing, like the others came from a 'Garden Centre' at a very good price. If you look at the right hand sepal you can see a sort of colour break.....maybe a touch of virus, but it is a nice flower, and again the plant is growing very well.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Real crackers
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Congrats Roger the flowers are real beauties. (says he green with envy)
Gordon.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Hello All,
Here's another Phal species, Very odd one with three different flowers
on the same plant. Spots on two petals, spots on a sepal and petal and a
completely white one on another spike.
David.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Three new ones.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Your "red one" − name hovering on the back of my tongue − Odtna Nellie
Morley ? is a bit variable according to culture I have found. It is a
favourite of mine. I had one which was rather like yours, and I showed it to
some of the RHS committee members at a meeting I was attending ( I didn't
put the plant up for an award, it was not eligible for technical reasons,
e.g. I had only bought it in flower a week or so before the meeting ). It
was agreed that it was different from the norm, and the advice was to see
what happened at the next flowering , before getting too excited. Sure
enough it flowered in the normal solid red ( equally nice, maybe even nicer
) the next time.

Of course if we knew what conditions produced this, it would be useful

, but perhaps the thing to do is − enjoy!

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Three new ones.

> Hi all,

> Three first time flowerings for me.

> The 'Red one' I like as the colouring is different from the normal type.

> The 'Upside down' chappie does not seem to know which way to face!!!!! A
> second large spike will soon open its flowers so I will see what it
> produces. This is a large plant with more new growths and I am very happy
> with it.

> The 'Cattleya' type thing, like the others came from a 'Garden Centre' at a
> very good price. If you look at the right hand sepal you can see a sort of
> colour break.....maybe a touch of virus, but it is a nice flower, and again
> the plant is growing very well.

> Cheers for now, Rocky.

ORCHID TALK - Digest 2008, Volume 87
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1 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Paph.
2 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Not so chuffed.
3 Subject: Trip Report − Finca Dracula ------------>WOW
4 Subject: Oh No! Problem paph again
5 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
6 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
7 Subject: Sue's problems.
8 Subject: FW: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
9 Subject: What's in a word.
10 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] What's in a word.
11 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sue's problems.
12 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
13 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
14 Subject: Wildflowers
15 Subject: Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
16 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
17 Subject: Calling Rocky and others − native orchid identification request
18 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
19 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
20 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
21 Subject: cymbidium questions − when to repot?
22 Subject: Cymbidium bulb rot − preventive ideas − fungicide?
23 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
24 Subject: Shows...
25 Subject: Roots.
26 Subject: Silver Birch bark.
27 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
28 Subject: cymbidium questions − when to repot? − forgot fotos 1st time
29 Subject: softcane dendrobiums − nobile and the likes
30 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
31 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Highly Chuffed.
32 Subject: Oncidium nubigenum.
33 Subject: Stanhopea
34 Subject: Three new ones.
35 Subject: Real crackers
36 Subject: Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
37 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Three new ones.


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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Paph.
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008

Roger said ... The leaves look lovely...................

The Paph Society used to have a competition , or shall we say a class, for
the plant with the best ( prettiest ? ) leaves . My memory records the
interesting fact that most of the entries were of the same hybrid but the
interesting thing was that a careful inspection of the plants − sometimes
really filling large pots − gave the distinct impression that they had
never flowered at all. Which may go to show that a plant can be worth
keeping even if you decide that you don't like the flowers. Maybe even take
them off !.

Sorry I can't remember the name of the non-flowering plants − usually, but
not invariably , I grow plants for the flowers and would not go out of my
way to acquire hybrids difficult or impossible to flower.

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Not so chuffed.
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008

Hi there John,

I just loved the 'Earwig 'o again'. I would never throw it out, and in fact the next flower which id part open has a better looking lip.

As they say.....we will 'Watch this space'.

Rocky.

John Stanley wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Not so chuffed.

> Geoff, Rocky,

> Identification/labelling; Earwig 'o again!

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Trip Report − Finca Dracula ------------>WOW
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008

Hi All,

I just got back from the northern part of Panama, a very very beautiful part of Central America, Had a Swiss feeling to it, it was at 2000 meters, kind of out of the way very nice roads but 8+ hours from The capital city.

If there are any miniature orchid enthusiasts out there this is the place for you, masdevalias like you can not imagine, Pleurothallis everywhere, and of course Draculas. Lots of cool growing Pescatoreas, Acienetas, Bolleas, Huntleyas, Sophriantis, encylias, epidendriums, lots more. Basically it is Andrews private collection of 100,000 plants. It is truely amazing! Just looking at his library is worth the trip. If anyone wants more info I'd be happy to elaborate more.

I took a lot of photos but the names are in my notes and need to do some translating....(of my handwriting).

Jim Mateosky
Costa Rica

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Oh No! Problem paph again
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008

Sad (or is it "dischuffed") to report that yesterday I discovered a new
symptom in the non- blooming paph I've repeatedly asked for advice on. Its
youngest leaf had stopped growing a month or so ago and is significantly
undersized, and 3 of the oldest leaves had gradually become odd textured
(leathery) and eventually lost color... so I decided to investigate
further... good thing I did... the last 2 times I had this plant out of its
pot it had 2 long thick healthy roots and 3 skinny little treadlike ones.
Now the healthy part of the 2 thick ones is only about 1/4 to 1/3 as long as
it used to be and only one of the threadlike ones are alive. The plant has 2
other spots where rooty looking bumps are forming.... the most distal spot
has dozens of them, so I repotted it (minus the dead roots, of course) in
such a way that all 3 of these areas are in/under the compost. then I
lightly sprayed the leaves with plain water and covered the whole pot and
plant with a vented clear plastic bag. The culprit was probably a compost
change....I had used plain fir bark until the last time I repotted it, when
I switched to somebody's recommended vermiculite, gravel, and bark
mixture...which appeares to have stayed too wet. Unfortunately I was unable
to find any plain fir bark yesterday and had to settle for a course horrid
mixture of giant chunks of charcoal, bark, and rock sold locally as "Schultz
Orchid Mix". Any comments? Sue B

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

Dear Sue,

Paphs are not the easiest of orchids to grow − I think that it took me the
first 25 years of my orchid growing life before I hit it right, and then,
quite suddenly , I could actually see them growing.

Before then, every re-pot meant a smaller pot − whatever I grew them in,
however I tried. Afterwards, I could be away for 2 weeks and come back and
see that leaves had doubled in length.

If you have never seen them grown well, it's hard to believe, but just
consider that in the wild, a healthy plant can grow a complete fan of leaves
and produce a flower spike in just one season . If you calculate it, say 6
leaves, average 6 inches ( one of the callosum group for example) that is 36
inches of leaf growth in 6 months − its at least an inch and a half a
week....

My "road to damascus " conversion came when I stopped poisoning the plants.
I changed from tap water ( my greenhouse at that time was not designed to
collect rainwater, and the main house roof was cement tiles, so that was
useless for rain-water too). I bought an Reverse Osmosis plant , stripped
out all the dissolved stuff from the tap water down to EC 005 , and then
added back a (weak) cocktail of Calcium Nitrate, "balanced fertiliser" and
sea-weed based Maxicrop, giving a total EC of 300 ( I get confused between
micro and milli and all the other d**** units of Siemens) − but most meters
read in two figures and tell you to add one zero.

As to composts − when my collection became the UK National Collection , I
had to be inspected by a high-powered lot of folk, who mostly knew nothing
at all ( in our terms) about orchids, but they knew their plants − mostly
Royal Botanic Gardens − Kew, or Royal Horticultural Society − Wisley
trained people, and they could spot a blemished leaf or a limp growth a mile
away... and my plants sailed through − no "provisional status" or anything
like that. I grew then in bark ( Douglas fir bark, pieces the size of a
largeish finger-nail) plus charcoal plus Perlite − 6:1:1. Many years of
messing about with other composts getting "wonderful results" for a few
weeks, but then downhill all the way... lead me to go back to that at my
next major repotting, but do remember that every compost change probably
means that you have go to grow a complete new set of roots ; root structure
forms to suit the compost , and when formed, can't be changed ( on that
root).

My advice is don't mix chalk and cheese − by which I mean gravel and bark.
I know that some folk get good results in gravel − Roger does − but I'm not
clear how long he has been growing paphs in it , in fact now I think again,
he doesn't − he uses an organic mix − I'm sure he will chime in and tell you
if I'm wrong. And there is a difference between good results this week,
and good results from plants which have been grown in the same media for
several years and haves consistently got bigger and better all that time.
Good paphs can be divided into two equal parts after 3 years, each bigger
than at the start point ! That's a pretty good test of growing quality. And
of course, all this is a generalisation, or two (!)- and there are always
exceptions − but don't take one exception − one particular example of one
particular species in one particular collection , and generalise out from it
!.

Best of luck − paphs are worth persevering with. Orchids of character, not
necessarily beauty . I'll settle for character any day, anywhere.

Geoff

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

Hi Sue,

I have never been very good with Paphs, so my advice is to be taken with some caution.

I have lately managed to get some (not all) of my paphs to flower, though, so I can't be doing all that wrong.

My compost for paphs is the usual 'orchid compost' that you can get at any garden centers, to which I add plenty of perlite to keep the compost open. They seem to like it, as they grow rather well (well, bigger leaves than the older ones), and I have managed to flower 3 of my 5 paphs so far!

Maybe you need to try and keep your compost more open?

Francis

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sue's problems.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

Good morning Sue,..... how do you do.....could not resist it.

Sue, you wrote; I had used plain fir bark until the last time I repotted it, when I switched to somebody's recommended vermiculite, gravel, and bark mixture...which appears to have stayed too wet.

So, let me take you up on the "Which appears to have stayed too wet". You obviously now know how much water/moisture to give it, and when not to water again until it needs it.

I can assure you that this mix works very well for quite a few people, especially those that have changed over to it.

Please just try it for a little longer and to not water until it requires more moisture.

I was once as you know, definitely not a Paph lover, but I now have about twelve of them.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: FW: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

Post-script to my message below − I got hauled off to take my wife to do our
shopping , and had one or two thoughts left unsaid -

The exact compost is unimportant , but certainly an organic base . Must be
very, very, very free-draining . This probably means using a sieve to get
rid of anything smaller than pea size bits, so as to give lots of free
space.

Watering is to get the plants soaking, and then let them dry out thoroughly
; of course frequency varies with other matters, but I kept my paph house at
15 degrees winter night temp, had constant-running fans, high humidity, and
watered by immersion of the pots, individually, in a bucket of
water/nutrient mix ( at every watering). I can't repeat too often, let them
dry out − but you will then see them start to flop − the newer less rigid
leaves − and that's the ideal time to water again ; they will be stiff and
erect the following day.

My watering frequency in the summer came down to every 10days and went up to
every 3 weeks in the winter. This for the small and normal sized pots -
seedlings approaching first flowering in say 9cm pots , mature hybrids up
to 18cm pots and then divided , species grown into as large specimens as
possible − even then say P.callosum with ten flowering growths hardly needed
anything bigger than 18cm, and my best ever charlesworthii with 15 flowering
growths was in a 15cm pan as I recall . Very large pots ( usually the
multi-florals based on say P.rothchildianum, which I also kept undivided,
got up to 30 cm pots ( the bottom half full of crocks or an upturned pot ,
so as to minimise the amount of compost ) and the frequency came down even
less , say 3 or 4 weeks in summer, maybe 6 weeks in winter.

If using lower temperatures − I have tried growing some species down to 7
or 8 degrees C for several months − then watering frequency came down to
6-8 weeks .

Nutrient specification is unimportant too − I just mentioned what I happened
to use, but whatever you do, mix it up a bit − a cocktail seems to work best
in so many things from antiviral drugs against Aids, to pre-dinner drinks !
( do you know the American poet Ogden Nash ? " Candy is dandy, but liquor is
quicker" − sorry, my sense of humour intrudes at times...a digression ! )

But nutrient value amount is important. These are low feeders . I have
seen them growing in mud made from decomposing sandstone and tropical rain
in the wild, and also in crevices in Karst ( very hard limestone almost like
marble) and the available humus and nutrients in both can't be very high.
Too rich a diet and they just plain sulk ( indigestion ? ).

Hope this helps

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: What's in a word.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

Hi all,

I am still searching for a definition of the words 'Loog Tone', as in my Laeliocattleya Loog Tone 'African Beauty'.

It is, as some of us thought, possibly.....Long Tone, but as this cross was made by a Thai person, I have at least found out that the word 'Loog' means something to do with Children/Offspring.

Hope to have more details in a few days.

Cheers Rocky.

"Bloody weather is awful".

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] What's in a word.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

I have it in bud too , I discovered whilst out watering , just now − same
source, no doubt.

So I looked it up in Wildcatt :-

Answer − its now a GsL ( whatever that means − didn't stop to look that up !
)

Cross is Gsl Netrasiri Doll ( I grew that many years ago − tall multifloral
two leafed job with shiny dark flowers, as I recall ) x C. Thospol spot.

So no mistake − Loog Tone is what it is . Registered by a Thai sounding
name − Thongprasit, T in 1987. This may be T orchids in Bangkok ?

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] What's in a word.

> Hi all,
>
> I am still searching for a definition of the words 'Loog Tone', as in my
> Laeliocattleya Loog Tone 'African Beauty'.

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sue's problems.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

Rocky, to be fair, I should not have said the problem was the compost
itself, but that in changing the compost and continuing to water the plant
the same way I had watered it on the previous compost I apparently watered
it more than it needed in this compost... or more than it could drink with
"no' roots at some point. Sad but true. Sue B

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008

> Good morning Sue,..... how do you do.....could not resist it.
>
> Sue, you wrote; I had used plain fir bark until the last time I repotted
> it, when I switched to somebody's recommended vermiculite, gravel, and bark
> mixture...which appears to have stayed too wet.
>
> So, let me take you up on the "Which appears to have stayed too wet". You
> obviously now know how much water/moisture to give it, and when not to water
> again until it needs it.
>
> I can assure you that this mix works very well for quite a few people,
> especially those that have changed over to it.
>
> Please just try it for a little longer and to not water until it requires
> more moisture.
>
> I was once as you know, definitely not a Paph lover, but I now have about
> twelve of them.
>
> Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

Perseverance! I'm going to leave the poor thing alone in it's little
bag/greenhouse for at least a month unless it tells me otherwise. at least
it's still green and looks alert.How it can possibly survive with so little
root is beyond me. thanks for the encouragement and ideas for me to sort
through. Sue B

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008

> Dear Sue,
>
> Paphs are not the easiest of orchids to grow , I think that it took me the
> first 25 years of my orchid growing life before I hit it right, and then,
> quite suddenly , I could actually see them growing.
>
> Before then, every re-pot meant a smaller pot , whatever I grew them in,
> however I tried. Afterwards, I could be away for 2 weeks and come back and
> see that leaves had doubled in length.
>
> If you have never seen them grown well, it's hard to believe, but just
> consider that in the wild, a healthy plant can grow a complete fan of leaves
> and produce a flower spike in just one season . If you calculate it, say 6
> leaves, average 6 inches ( one of the callosum group for example) that is 36
> inches of leaf growth in 6 months , its at least an inch and a half a
> week....

[Snip]

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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

There is an excellent article re growing new roots on Paphs in the latest Orchid Digest. I had a club copy until yesterday when I handed it back so can't scan it for you at this stage.

Tony

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wildflowers
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008

If you are not interested in native orchids look away now :-)

A member of a computer group to which I belong has made a very
interesting website http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ which lists a
huge variety of British wildflowers, including photos of several
orchids. You need to expand the width of your browser window to fit
all the page in, but it is well worth a look.

--

Tricia

These taglines aren't always all that interesting...

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008

Hello All,
Here's another one of my Phal species. Not such a pretty colour. I think
it would rather be outside the pot, most of the roots are.
David

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oh No! Problem paph again
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008

Thanks Tony. I'll see if I can find one. Sue B

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008

> There is an excellent article re growing new roots on Paphs in the latest
> Orchid Digest. I had a club copy until yesterday when I handed it back so
> can't scan it for you at this stage.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Calling Rocky and others − native orchid identification request
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008

Further to my message about http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ the
site's author, Roger Darlington, has asked if our members could help
identify the orchid featured under '???' "What's This" [click on the
'???' link at the top of the first column of the main page, then
click on 'Enigma No. 1' link in the second column]. Also if you spot
any mis-identified orchids please let him know. Contact details are
on the site.

--

Tricia

Torch: A case for holding dead batteries.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008

Another little beauty David. I notice your mix looks fairly open. What is the make-up Please? Would you consider mounting and if so on what?
Gordon.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008

Hello Gordon,
The compost is chopped up wine corks, sponge rock, few bits of Dynarock or perlag and about a fifth New Zealand sphagnum moss. I vary it according to which plant it is.
I would consider mounting venosa except for the fact that I have so many mounted, and finding somewhere that doesn't drip on plants below is getting difficult. Also it's one of the medium sized ones and mounting them leads to a root explosion. I tried an experiment with Phal phillipinensis this Spring. I mounted it on a piece of cork bark that is 2 ft long by 5 inches wide. The roots have grown right up to the top and half way back down again, much more that would be expected in a pot. An odd thing is that one of the roots I tied on initially has a quarter inch piece missing, only the wiry centre is there and I thought it would die off. It's growing just as strongly as the others, so it's obviously passing food back to the plant, or is it just staying alive on it's own?
I normally use Cork bark to mount plants but have used Oak bark and Silver birch successfully.
David

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008

Hi David,
Now I see why the leaves and flowers have that#"gleam"#!!!.

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,

> Hello Gordon,
> The compost is chopped up wine corks...

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: cymbidium questions − when to repot?
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008

Hi Orchid gurus!

I bought a bunch of cymbidium "plugs" 6 months ago and they are growing like weeds. I thought I put them in a plently big pot but.... Should these be repotted? or maybe can some one provide some Ideas of when to repot, For instance Oncidiums and Catleyas "when you see the roots climbing out of the pot it is time to repot".

Thanks a bunch!

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cymbidium bulb rot − preventive ideas − fungicide?
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008

Hi,
Any Ideas of what to do about cymbidium bulb rot. It is raining a lot here every day. Can bulb rot be treated with fungicide?

Thanks,

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Way back before meristemming was invented ( mid #60s) we all #knew# that you just couldn#t propagate orchids by cuttings of any kind. Unlike other plants which can be propagated from bits of leaf (begonias) bits of stem (chrysanthemums) bits of root ( some primulas) etc.

So when meristemming came along , lots of people said # hey, maybe that#s all an old wives tale. And started experimenting.

Lo and behold # if you culture cattleya leaf bits the right way you can grow them # but you can#t produce roots or flowers, only leaf.

And it was also discovered that if you take a live piece of phal root and culture it, you can grow more phal root # but no leaves or flowers.

I take this to mean that a piece of live root which continues growing is not necessarily passing nutrient back to the rest of the plant.

And if its only connected by the wiry core # which I understand to be merely the physical attachment with no equivalent of cambium cells ( maybe they are still called that) then it is useless to the plant. So I cut them off, in such circumstances.

Geoff

David Martin wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,

> Hello Gordon,

> The compost is chopped up wine corks, sponge rock, few bits of
> Dynarock or perlag and about a fifth New Zealand sphagnum moss. I
> vary it according to which plant it is.

> I would consider mounting venosa except for the fact that I have so
> many mounted, and finding somewhere that doesn't drip on plants
> below is getting difficult. Also it's one of the medium sized ones
> and mounting them leads to a root explosion. I tried an experiment
> with Phal phillipinensis this Spring. I mounted it on a piece of
> cork bark that is 2 ft long by 5 inches wide. The roots have grown
> right up to the top and half way back down again, much more that
> would be expected in a pot. An odd thing is that one of the roots I
> tied on initially has a quarter inch piece missing, only the wiry
> centre is there and I thought it would die off. It's growing just
> as strongly as the others, so it's obviously passing food back to
> the plant, or is it just staying alive on it's own?

> I normally use Cork bark to mount plants but have used Oak bark and
> Silver birch successfully.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shows...
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Anyone interested in the BOGA Orchid Fayre, later this month, at Dinton
Pastures ( which can be found by googling − rather than using maps ) may be
interested to have full details including list of exhibitors − here is a
link to the web-page with all these details.

http://www.boga.org.uk/index.html

If anyone knows any similar details of the BOC Congress which is a month
later, I shall be pleased to know .

I registered for the BOC event when it was announced − in fact I was sent
an invitation ( never had that before ) − but have heard nothing more about
it, and after spending some time searching the BOC references on the
internet still can't find anything . Maybe something has gone wrong, in
these days of economic gloom, and it will be cancelled.

I cancelled my hotel booking some time ago ; I have a lot of demands on my
time and money and can't do everything . If it seems worthwhile for me I
shall perhaps go and just stay one night, find a B & B somewhere.

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roots.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

I agree with Geoff about cutting off the piece of root that LOOKS to be alright, but I do not chance it, especially if it does start to deteriorate.

Also, the remaining part of the root often sends out more that one replacement.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Silver Birch bark.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

David mentioned the use of Silver Birch bark and I am guessing that some of you may be rather puzzled at this, especially when you may have seen photographs of a Silver Birch, or even stood next to 'young' trees.

A Silver Birch tree conjures up imaginations of a silver bark, paper thin, but when you do encounter a very old Silver Birch and look at the lowest part of the trunk................wow, what a deeply furrowed bark it has. And don't ever stumble or fall on to it !!!!!

It makes an excellent perch for an orchid.

Rocky.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Hello Geoff,
I wondered how the root could still be alive. I have snipped the wiry core in half and see what happens. I did read somewhere that Phal stuartiana is one of the only ones to produce plants from a broken off root. I have been searching through Christenson's book but can't find it now.
David

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: cymbidium questions − when to repot? − forgot fotos 1st time
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Hi Orchid gurus!

I bought a bunch of cymbidium "plugs" 6 months
ago and they are growing like weeds. I thought I put them in a plently
big pot but.... Should these be repotted? or maybe can some one
provide some Ideas of when to repot, For instance Oncidiums and
Catleyas "when you see the roots climbing out of the pot it is time to
repot".

Thanks a bunch!

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: softcane dendrobiums − nobile and the likes
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

Hi,

I have a several softcane dendrobiums ( dendrobium nobile, Dendrobium albosanguineum, and many similar funky named hybrids). Some grow strait up and fairly rigid fairly sturdy, and some ( of the same species ) seem to be droopy, can't hold themselves up. They seem to flower similarly nice. What is the deal? Why do some fall, or never grow upwards? someone said it was light stong light makes them reach upwards. When there is low to mediem light seem to sag or be droopy.

Any Insight would be much appreciated.

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008

That is a new one to me # could be useful #P, stuartiana is a plant I love, and have bought and lost so many times !. I wish I could believe it, though !

Geoff

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis venosa,ROOTS GROWING....

> Hello Geoff,

> I wondered how the root could still be alive. I have snipped the
> wiry core in half and see what happens. I did read somewhere that
> Phal stuartiana is one of the only ones to produce plants from a
> broken off root. I have been searching through Christenson's book
> but can't find it now.

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From: Anguel Iordanov
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Highly Chuffed.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Hi There. Can you please give me the web address for this supplier. This
plant is beatiful.

Thanks,

Anguel

Roger Grier wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Highly Chuffed.

> Hi all,

> Yes, I am 'Highly Chuffed', as my plant of L.C. Loog Tone 'African beauty'
> is in bloom. I purchased this plant earlier this year from 'Our Italian
> Friend's.....Azienda Agricola Nardotto e Capello. As always their plants
> are excellent.

[Snip]

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Oncidium nubigenum.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

This little orchid was purchased at this year's London Orchid Show from 'Peru Orchids'. The flowers are only about as big as the finger nail on my little finger.

It does seem, after looking at photos of this species on the Internet that it has many different colour forms.

I sure do like the flowers on my plant, and if you look carefully you can see the bottom of the two sepals just showing at the base of the lip.

I also like the yellow 'lure' that attracts the insect.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Stanhopea
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

My Stanhopea just opened this morning, and as usual what a fantastic perfume. Quite overpowering. Thing is, although I bought it from Madeira some fourteen years ago, I do not have a name for it.

I have E-mailed Dick Hartley asking him if he knows, but if any of you do, then please sing out.

I have many more photos of it, so if anyone is interested I can always put up a few more photos...close ups etc.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Three new ones.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Hi all,

Three first time flowerings for me.

The 'Red one' I like as the colouring is different from the normal type.

The 'Upside down' chappie does not seem to know which way to face!!!!! A second large spike will soon open its flowers so I will see what it produces. This is a large plant with more new growths and I am very happy with it.

The 'Cattleya' type thing, like the others came from a 'Garden Centre' at a very good price. If you look at the right hand sepal you can see a sort of colour break.....maybe a touch of virus, but it is a nice flower, and again the plant is growing very well.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Real crackers
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Congrats Roger the flowers are real beauties. (says he green with envy)
Gordon.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

Hello All,
Here's another Phal species, Very odd one with three different flowers
on the same plant. Spots on two petals, spots on a sepal and petal and a
completely white one on another spike.
David.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Three new ones.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Your "red one" − name hovering on the back of my tongue − Odtna Nellie
Morley ? is a bit variable according to culture I have found. It is a
favourite of mine. I had one which was rather like yours, and I showed it to
some of the RHS committee members at a meeting I was attending ( I didn't
put the plant up for an award, it was not eligible for technical reasons,
e.g. I had only bought it in flower a week or so before the meeting ). It
was agreed that it was different from the norm, and the advice was to see
what happened at the next flowering , before getting too excited. Sure
enough it flowered in the normal solid red ( equally nice, maybe even nicer
) the next time.

Of course if we knew what conditions produced this, it would be useful

, but perhaps the thing to do is − enjoy!

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Three new ones.

> Hi all,

> Three first time flowerings for me.

> The 'Red one' I like as the colouring is different from the normal type.

> The 'Upside down' chappie does not seem to know which way to face!!!!! A
> second large spike will soon open its flowers so I will see what it
> produces. This is a large plant with more new growths and I am very happy
> with it.

> The 'Cattleya' type thing, like the others came from a 'Garden Centre' at a
> very good price. If you look at the right hand sepal you can see a sort of
> colour break.....maybe a touch of virus, but it is a nice flower, and again
> the plant is growing very well.

> Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Highly Chuffed.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Good morning Anguel,

Here is their website: www.nardottoecapello.it

I have always found that their plants are very good, so is the price and the way that they package their plants.

Please let me know how you get on.

Best wishes, Roger.

Anguel Iordanov wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Highly Chuffed.

> Hi There. Can you please give me the web address for this supplier.
> This plant is beatiful.

> Roger Grier wrote I am 'Highly Chuffed', as my plant of L.C. Loog
> Tone 'African beauty' is in bloom. I purchased this plant earlier
> this year from 'Our Italian Friend's.....Azienda Agricola Nardotto
> e Capello. As always their plants are excellent.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Three new ones.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Mornin' Geoff,

I will watch out for it next year, but in the meantime I will also be on the lookout for the same type of flowers.

Will have a look at Odtna Nellie Morley.

Cheers, Rodge.

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Three new ones.

> Your "red one" − name hovering on the back of my tongue − Odtna
> Nellie Morley ? is a bit variable according to culture I have
> found. It is a favourite of mine. I had one which was rather like
> yours, and I showed it to some of the RHS committee members at a
> meeting I was attending ( I didn't put the plant up for an award,
> it was not eligible for technical reasons, e.g. I had only bought
> it in flower a week or so before the meeting ). It was agreed that
> it was different from the norm, and the advice was to see what
> happened at the next flowering , before getting too excited. Sure
> enough it flowered in the normal solid red ( equally nice, maybe
> even nicer ) the next time.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] softcane dendrobiums − nobile and the likes
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Hi Jim,

As I expect you know, the Genus Dendrobium has very many species, from a very large area, and so it is no surprise that they have many different bulb shapes etc.

Some of them do hang their 'canes',bulbs and some are very long.

I am sure that if you look them up on the Internet your question will be answered very well.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

JIM MATEOSKY wrote [OrchidTalk] softcane dendrobiums − nobile and the likes

> I have a several softcane dendrobiums ( dendrobium nobile,
> Dendrobium albosanguineum, and many similar funky named hybrids).
> Some grow strait up and fairly rigid fairly sturdy, and some ( of
> the same species ) seem to be droopy, can't hold themselves up.
> They seem to flower similarly nice. What is the deal? Why do some
> fall, or never grow upwards? someone said it was light stong
> light makes them reach upwards. When there is low to mediem light
> seem to sag or be droopy.

> Any Insight would be much appreciated.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] cymbidium questions − when to repot? − forgot fotos 1st time
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Mornin' Jim,

Your Cymbidium roots look wonderful.

The plants look very well.

The pot size is O.K. for a year or so.

A few remarks that might help you:

1. Place the plant in the pot with the oldest bulb at the back, as per normal for many orchids.
2. Place the plant in the 'compost' so that the bottom of the bulb is just at compost level. Do not bury part of the bulb.
3. Always try to keep the bulb size the same as the previous year, or try to make it bigger.
4. In the growing season, I always fed and watered like hell.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Rocky.

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: [OrchidTalk] cymbidium questions − when to repot? − forgot fotos 1st time

> Hi Orchid gurus!

> I bought a bunch of cymbidium "plugs" 6 months ago and they are
> growing like weeds. I thought I put them in a plently big pot
> but.... Should these be repotted? or maybe can some one provide
> some Ideas of when to repot, For instance Oncidiums and Catleyas
> "when you see the roots climbing out of the pot it is time to
> repot".

> Thanks a bunch!

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Spots often wander about − i.e. appear in different places on different
flowers , and in different years too , on other orchid flowers. Miltoniopsis
come immediately to mind for this, and some dendrobiums in the nobile
section ( esp. The hybrids) too.

So nothing remarkable there.

But your collection of phal species is remarkable, and all so well grown (
I assume you are not showing us plants you bought last week ! ). You are to
be congratulated.

Have you thought of National Collection status ? e-mail me privately if you
want any background info on that.

More − you are rather converting me to the idea of browsing for a few − if
and when I can reduce the enormous slug and snail population ( yes, I know
its the weather over the last few cool and wet summers, but that is no
consolation ) and it is so disheartening to go into the greenhouse and see
flower spikes decimated, flowers damaged, new growths nibbled. Currently I
aim to visit the greenhouse with a torch and slug/snail destroyer a.k.a.
pliers, before bed every night ; my count is never less than a dozen slugs
or snails found and destroyed each night in the greenhouse, and sometimes
twice as many on the garden paths on the way there and back; and I know hey
don't go to bed after the 10 o'clock news − they keep coming.... But I can't
be there every minute or even every night.
Maybe I should give up and try cactus instead ?

Geoff

David Martin wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),

> Hello All,
> Here's another Phal species, Very odd one with three different flowers on
> the same plant. Spots on two petals, spots on a sepal and petal and a
> completely white one on another spike.
> David.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: David's Phally.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Hi David,

Very strange but what a most desirable plant to have. The oddly marked flowers are still perfectly shaped, and the markings are by no means ugly. I would call it a real 'Gem'.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

David,

That is gorgeous!!! You seem to have all the Phalaenopsis species that I like. I have had my eye on this one for a looooong time but I've yet to find a plant that I can afford.

cheers,
esther

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Slugs.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

Evenin' Geoff,

And yet another lousy day. Maybe I can help you eradicate the slugs.

I had a similar heartbreaking tale to tell a few years ago......damned slugs were everywhere.

But not now.....I hardly see one at all.

My method is simple. I throw those little blue slug pellets everywhere. Especially on the floor under the benches. Maybe after a while, seemingly when all signs of the pellets has disappeared, there is still a trace hanging around that keeps the critters at bay.

It sure works for me, so why not give it a try.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] softcane dendrobiums − nobile and the likes
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

It occurred to me that the way Wildcatt is organised makes it very easy to
find the right name, given an approximation.

So I looked, and came up with :-

Burrageara Nelly Isler

( well I was almost right first time ? )

Geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: [OrchidTalk] softcane dendrobiums − nobile and the likes

> Hi,

> I have a several softcane dendrobiums ( dendrobium nobile, Dendrobium
> albosanguineum, and many similar funky named hybrids). Some grow strait up
> and fairly rigid fairly sturdy, and some ( of the same species ) seem to be
> droopy, can't hold themselves up. They seem to flower similarly nice. What
> is the deal? Why do some fall, or never grow upwards? someone said it was
> light stong light makes them reach upwards. When there is low to mediem
> light seem to sag or be droopy.

> Any Insight would be much appreciated.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),Hello Geoff,
I have been collecting and growing Phal species for a few years now, the last four I bought 12 months ago. they were all in sphagnum moss. I am slowly moving them into my own mix after flowering. Phal tetraspis was bought in August last year. I am pleased that the new leaves are much bigger and shinier than previously. One of my best ones is just coming into flower now, Phal mariae. It had two large pock marked leaves when I got it, but now it has some nice shiny unmarked ones. Will show the photo's when all the flowers are open.
David

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),

> Spots often wander about − i.e. appear in different places on
> different flowers , and in different years too , on other orchid
> flowers. Miltoniopsis come immediately to mind for this, and some
> dendrobiums in the nobile section ( esp. The hybrids) too.

> So nothing remarkable there.

> But your collection of phal species is remarkable, and all so well
> grown ( I assume you are not showing us plants you bought last
> week ! ). You are to be congratulated.

> Have you thought of National Collection status ? e-mail me
> privately if you want any background info on that.

> More − you are rather converting me to the idea of browsing for a
> few − if and when I can reduce the enormous slug and snail
> population ( yes, I know its the weather over the last few cool and
> wet summers, but that is no consolation ) and it is so
> disheartening to go into the greenhouse and see flower spikes
> decimated, flowers damaged, new growths nibbled. Currently I aim to
> visit the greenhouse with a torch and slug/snail destroyer a.k.a.
> pliers, before bed every night ; my count is never less than a
> dozen slugs or snails found and destroyed each night in the
> greenhouse, and sometimes twice as many on the garden paths on the
> way there and back; and I know hey don't go to bed after the 10
> o'clock news − they keep coming.... But I can't be there every
> minute or even every night.

> Maybe I should give up and try cactus instead ?

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slugs. . . . . . not forgetting ants and frogs!
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008

Roger,

They also see off unwary frogs! Personally, I'd avoid anything as toxic as blue pellets.
But, then, you may not be fortunate enough to have friendly pet frogs camping out in your greenhouse like we do. They do a grand job of pest control even if they do squash a few leaves down now and again!

Also re pests; Ants we find harmless enough as far as the plants are concerned (OK, so they may spread aphids around) except that they nest under the flags in the sand base of our orchid house. I could forgive them for that if they didn't excavate so much sand that the floor then collapses. So far, the only solution is to drill through a flag and inject pressure-canned polyurethane foam which the ants don't like, which supports the flag(s) and which also provides underfloor insulation − eventually!

Moral for those thinking of a new greenhouse base on flags; think ahead and make sure there's an ant-proof foundation!

Cheers everyone
John

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Slugs.

> Evenin' Geoff,

> And yet another lousy day. Maybe I can help you eradicate the
> slugs.

> I had a similar heartbreaking tale to tell a few years
> ago......damned slugs were everywhere.

> But not now.....I hardly see one at all.

> My method is simple. I throw those little blue slug pellets
> everywhere. Especially on the floor under the benches. Maybe
> after a while, seemingly when all signs of the pellets has
> disappeared, there is still a trace hanging around that keeps the
> critters at bay.

> It sure works for me, so why not give it a try.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008

RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),Hello Geoff
I have been using "SLUG CLEAR" made by Scotts. It's a liquid concentrate of metaldehyde, same as in the blue pellets. Cost £5.99 and will make 75 litres. I use a pressure sprayer and mist all over the inside of the greenhouse, under and on the staging and on the plants as well. It makes little water marks on the leaves but it wipes off easily. I also spray the outside of the glass and along the ground about a foot wide beside the greenhouse. It seems very effective. If they try and open the door to get in, they don't have to hunt for the little blue pellets, it gets them first.
David

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),

> ...More − you are rather converting me to the idea of browsing for
> a few − if and when I can reduce the enormous slug and snail
> population ( yes, I know its the weather over the last few cool and
> wet summers, but that is no consolation ) and it is so
> disheartening to go into the greenhouse and see flower spikes
> decimated, flowers damaged, new growths nibbled. Currently I aim to
> visit the greenhouse with a torch and slug/snail destroyer a.k.a.
> pliers, before bed every night ; my count is never less than a
> dozen slugs or snails found and destroyed each night in the
> greenhouse, and sometimes twice as many on the garden paths on the
> way there and back; and I know hey don't go to bed after the 10
> o'clock news − they keep coming.... But I can't be there every
> minute or even every night.

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From: Orchids
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Newsletters
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008

Can anyone point me to where i may find Electronic orchid newsletters or be
able to send me some i like reading about orchids from around the world.

Many Thanks for any assistance
Les.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

I am surprised that you can pressure spray the Scotts product ; I believed
that it would clog fine jets, it is not colloidal I think , the need to
shake the bottle all the time suggests not (?)

I had thought of just using a watering can, but the large volume needed for
my greenhouse which measures 35 x 15 feet, and the impossibility of
reaching all of the needed areas ( because of the boiler , my neighbours
wall, etc etc) has deterred me , I guess that I would need to buy 2 dozen
bottles of it to be sure that I had not run out before I had finished !

However, the pressure sprayer would certainly make a little go a long way ,
using my 1/2 hp pump and lance and sprayer I can do all the plants in the
greenhouse with maybe 50 litres .

I shall look for this , I think I still have a few bottles of it in my
store, and try it out − at the mere expense of a replacement nozzle for the
pump system if it goes wrong.

I have also adopted Roger's suggestion and gone mad , walking along flinging
handfuls of pellets every where, like some crazy biblical seed sower , got
through 2 of the large (2 litre ? ) bottles of pellets.

However, take note ; whilst blue pellets will kill slugs and snails, and
woodlice too ( although they are not a problem here) they will also kill
plants if left to lie on orchid leaves ( Phillip Cribb mentions this in
one of the editions of his Paphiopedilum classic in the Kew Monologues
series , whatever they are called ) so I need to go through all the
collection and brush any pellets on to the compost , as a fairly urgent
follow-up.

I did that throwing pellets around as soon as I read Roger's message, BTW ,
but at 10.30 I still found a slug boring its way through two new cattleya
buds which had just popped out of the sheath that day.....of course the
pellets will continue to have effect , and maybe that particular slug was
hiding in the pot and missed my offered amuse bouche on its way to lunch.
Also I can say that I only found three in all last night , a considerable
reduction on the numbers caught every day in the previous week.

For a wooden greenhouse, I can make another suggestion, which came to me
whilst planning my new raised bed strawberry plot in my garden , using six
inch boards resting on the old lawn, and containing the soil and plants etc.
I planned to tack copper tape ( sold under a name like 'slug barrier') to
the boards, all the way round the bed. Slugs won't cross copper , they get
electrocuted if they do , but I found the cost of doing all my raised beds
amounted to sixty or so pounds ( probably plus VAT and postage etc) so I
have been and bought a coil of electrical cable containing two strands of
copper in a rubber type sheath , from B & which should do the trick when I
have stripped the sheath off. The same system would work well with an
Alton wooden greenhouse I think , unfortunately mine is not wooden so its
not a practical idea for me.

Geoff

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slugs. . . . . . not forgetting ants and frogs!
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

Hi John,
I am told that water flowing#from mint roots which have been soaked#(heavily watered) can in some cases "persuade" ants to move to pastures new.
Gordon

John Stanley wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Slugs. . . . . . not forgetting ants and frogs!

> Roger, They also see off unwary frogs! Personally, I'd avoid
> anything as toxic as blue pellets. But, then, you may not be
> fortunate enough to have#friendly pet frogs camping out in your
> greenhouse like we do. They do a grand job of pest control even if
> they do squash a few leaves down now and again! # Also re pests;
> Ants we find harmless enough as far as the plants are concerned
> (OK, so they may spread aphids around) except that they nest under
> the flags in the sand base of our orchid house. I could forgive
> them for that if they didn't excavate so much sand that the floor
> then#collapses. So far, the only solution is to drill through a
> flag and inject#pressure-canned polyurethane foam which the ants
> don't like, which supports the flag(s) and which also provides
> underfloor insulation − eventually! Moral for those thinking of a
> new greenhouse base on flags; think ahead and make sure there's an
> ant-proof foundation!

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Slug prevention.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

I like David's method of spraying with 'Slug Clear' which I will investigate shortly. But I would not spray my plants with it. As my 'compost' of rock/chippings/pieces is in no way similar to the 'conventional' compost that most people use, I would just spray the top of the pot and let the liquid trickle down. I will also, when I do buy this product, take David's advice and spray under the benches etc. etc.

As I have capillary matting on my benches, if I soak that with the liquid, then I hope that it will deter any 'critters'.

Message for Geoff. If you place a few plastic saucers upside down on your staging and place the slug pellets on the top of the saucer then the slugs will crawl to that saucer and then die. Or, maybe you have some other alternative receptacle [another big word for a New Forest lad] on which to place the pellets.

Best of luck, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Slucs and snails
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

To water my green house I use pond pumps to water the plants. I have just covered my plants with Sluggit by making up 3 gallons in a bucket, moving the pond pump from from my watering tank, fitting a watering can rose on the end of the discharge hose and dosing the plants, bench and floor.
As far as pellets go, I find they only attract the large beasts whereas the main damage is caused by the juveniles.
So far this year I have seen no absailing beasts!
Regards fron a p o d orchid grower in a sodden Devon
Dennis

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From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya Forbesii alba.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

Hi,

I personally would call it 'flava', since it is more yellowish than white.
This convention is used for Phalaenopsis species and primaries.

Silvio

> Hi all,
>
> I purchased this plant at Southsea in the Spring of 2007 from Andreas
> Stockelbusch and I am very pleased with it.
>
> Only point that I would like to make is to the name 'alba'.
>
> As Geoff pointed out, an alba flower should be all white, and I agree with
> him on this issue.
>
> So what do you all have to say ???
>
> The flower will hopefully always be as shown, so whatever the correct name
> I sure do like it.
>
> Cheers Rocky.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: After the storm
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

Fay was just a tropical storm in the Miami area. We had some wind, but no damage. But we did have two very wet days. While cleaning up the garden I found this orchid hiding in the palm leaves.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UwGkeJ84ueM/SKwkPeQW3OI/AAAAAAAABgo/yyO49iSnw1o/s1600/xDavid%2BSanders.JPG

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Another bargain.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

Hi all,

Yesterday, Tuesday, Mary and I went to the R.H.S. Wisley Gardens with our Fuchsia Club. We had all thought that the weather would be quite bad, but we did not have a drop of rain, and the sun did shine. I looked up the definition in Wikipedea of the word 'sun' and it said something about a bright globe in the sky which brought warmth and light.....................................

Anyhow on with my story.

In the Wisley Sales area there is just about everything that a gardener would want, plus those things that a gardener would not want that Wisley hope to sell.

They had quite a few nice orchids there and so I had a good look at them. A few pounds more expensive than most Garden Centres, but then Wisley is near to London.

And so we left the Sales area to wander around the grounds. Mary liked it especially as there was a Fuchsia display there.

After an excellent lunch in the restaurant which was very well priced we continued are walk around.

Nice orchids to look at in the very large glasshouse structure.

And so it was almost time to board our coach, but enough time to look around the Sales area one more time.

Well now.....the observant Rocky spied two orchids with a 'Sale 50% off' ticket. One was a plain leaved Paph, and the other was quite a large Brassia. I got the two of them for £12.

The Paph had EIGHT new growths on it, so I de-potted it this morning and it fell into two pieces, so I now have two Paphs, each with four new growths.....not bad for £3 each.

The Brassia took quite a while to de-pot. teasing all of the bark and Palm oil nut shell from the mass of roots took some time, but again I ended up with two plants.....£3 each.

Now that's what I call a bargain.

It 'Pays' to keep ones eyes open. Sorry about the pun, ha, ha.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] After the storm
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

Nice to hear from you again Jordan , and glad to hear you are still
surviving the weather.

We have had a lot of wind lately and its been a wet summer ( my rain gauge
shows 1600mm − more than 5 feet of rain in the past 6 months , and we are
only supposed to have 800 mm in the whole year, on average ! ) .

As to the wind we had half a gale and more a few days ago, which is nothing
compared to your tropical storms, but then we ain't tropics ! I live a mile
or two from the English Channel ( the sea between England and France) which
is fairly notorious for storms , but we are supposed to have them around the
time of the equinoxes − March and October − for reasons which I have long
forgotten.

Our weather forecasters keep saying "most unseasonal for August". At least
they have stopped saying its all global warming , since the global warming
thing was supposed to lead to drought in the summer, and all the rain in the
winter!

I like your orchid waif; do you know what it is ? some Florida native or one
of your hybrids escaped ?

Geoff

jns tropic wrote re: [OrchidTalk] After the storm

> Fay was just a tropical storm in the Miami area. We had some wind, but no
> damage. But we did have two very wet days. While cleaning up the garden I
> found this orchid hiding in the palm leaves.


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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: After the storm.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

Hi 'Tropic',

You sure know how to break peoples hearts.......

> While cleaning up the garden I found this orchid hiding in the palm leaves.

Well, that sure is a nice surprise and a very pretty plant.

Best of luck, Rocky.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),Hello Geoff,
Having sent you that email about Scotts Slug Clear, I was reminded to have a go myself. I only misted the plants lightly. This morning there were many corpses outside the greenhouse, long trails of slime. I had also sprayed under my Cymbidiums on the garden path, not very much as the sprayer had run out, but there were still a few large orange ones dead.
It's interesting to hear that pellets can kill orchids. I wonder if Phillip meant Paphs? They are his favourite. I have balanced pellets on my Phal leaves when under attack and no plants have died. Maybe the mould is what attacks orchids as the pellets soon start to go mouldy when damp. I don't leave them on that long.
I was using a hand held Killaspray by Hozelock and have not experienced any clogging of the jet, although I occasionally shake the sprayer. The particles in suspension are much smaller than the jet hole. I hope your old bottles are the same formula as the new ones I am using.
David

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),

> I am surprised that you can pressure spray the Scotts product ; I
> believed that it would clog fine jets, it is not colloidal I
> think − the need to shake the bottle all the time suggests not (?)

[Snip]

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slug prevention.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008

What is the "correct" way to use these blue "little bastard" killers?
Slug pellets keep dry or wet? ( I have heard both )
In pots or outside pots? Someone told me it is harmful to the plants.

Jim

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From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Hello all,
re:- slug killing...as an alternative to the pesticide metaldehyde (which is toxic to pets, wildlife and people...including the wildlife that eat the poisened slugs and snails)
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Actives/Metaldeh.htm
try the nematodes (nemaslug)..effective, natural predator easy to apply and non toxic.
Lynda

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Yes, the remark by Cribb was in the paph book where paphs are the only
orchids ! , and yes maybe it is the mould , whatever , I certainly had some
unhappy plants with blue pellets on their leaves, years ago and before
reading Cribb , but then not all my plants are happy today without any blue
pellets.....

Geoff

David Martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),

> Hello Geoff,

> Having sent you that email about Scotts Slug Clear, I was reminded to have a
> go myself. I only misted the plants lightly. This morning there were many
> corpses outside the greenhouse, long trails of slime. I had also sprayed
> under my Cymbidiums on the garden path, not very much as the sprayer had run
> out, but there were still a few large orange ones dead.

> It's interesting to hear that pellets can kill orchids. I wonder if Phillip
> meant Paphs? They are his favourite. I have balanced pellets on my Phal
> leaves when under attack and no plants have died. Maybe the mould is what
> attacks orchids as the pellets soon start to go mouldy when damp. I don't
> leave them on that long.

> I was using a hand held Killaspray by Hozelock and have not experienced any
> clogging of the jet, although I occasionally shake the sprayer. The
> particles in suspension are much smaller than the jet hole. I hope your old
> bottles are the same formula as the new ones I am using.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another bargain.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

I had that down in my diary to go yesterday − the Wisley Flower Show it was
called in the RHS book , a 3 day event but the other 2 days were impossible
for me for other reasons.

I was hoping to go and find a dahlia display so as to choose a particular
colour and shape I want for one place in my garden ( where at present I have
a colour clash which sets my teeth on edge ) but searching the RHS web-site
I couldn't find out anything about the show , unlike all the other RHS
shows, so decided it must be a bit low key.

And as Joyce was telling me just how far it is, a long drive, lots of
expensive diesel etc ( actually about 90 minutes from here with a fair wind
), and then in the end we were invited to lunch at a what turned out to be a
restaurant with a Michelin starred chef , on the opposite side of the forest
to you ( near Fordingbridge) so went there instead.

Another year, perhaps.

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Another bargain.

> Hi all,

> Yesterday, Tuesday, Mary and I went to the R.H.S. Wisley Gardens with our
> Fuchsia Club. We had all thought that the weather would be quite bad, but
> we did not have a drop of rain, and the sun did shine. I looked up the
> definition in Wikipedea of the word 'sun' and it said something about a
> bright globe in the sky which brought warmth and
> light.....................................

[Snip]

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Slug killer.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Mornin' David,

We sure had some rain overnight.....

Before I go and buy the Slug Killer that is sprayed everywhere, I may just have a go at putting some of the slug pellets in some boiling water to dissolve them and see what the solution looks like. Then if it looks O.K. I will spray it in some places and make notes.

I wonder what the labels say about the contents on both the slug pellet and slug spray containers?

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Problems with Schwerter
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Dear friends,

recently I've had some trouble with Schwerter. I've ordered five times from

them, and the first few times everything was flawless. A couple of months
ago, though, they sent me a plant with crown rot problems (it died after a

month), and they refused to replace it.

Last time they took E282AC 29,90 for the shipping, but their cost was on
ly E282AC 16,34
(it's written on the shipping papers), and again they refused to give the
difference back.

Did you experience problems, too?

Silvio

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slug prevention.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Mornin' Jim,

I have been using those small blue slug pellets for years, and I still regards them as the best and easiest things to use.

I scatter them on the floor of my greenhouse [8' x 12'] that is, under the benches. My floor is made up of paving slabs. I also scatter them on the capillary matting which all of my pots stand on, but, all pots stand on inverted plastic saucers.

I do not scatter that many.....just enough.

This mornings 'Slug Patrol' found just two slugs, which although dying were given the ultimate 'Weight Test'..........a size ten shoe carrying about 180 pound.

I very rarely place the pellets on the compost in the pot. Hopefully the critters never get that far.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Rocky.

JIM MATEOSKY wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Slug prevention.

> What is the "correct" way to use these blue "little bastard"
> killers? Slug pellets keep dry or wet? ( I have heard both ) In
> pots or outside pots? Someone told me it is harmful to the
> plants.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Persistancy pays off.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

For any of you, or anyone you might just know that says the word 'Loog' in the orchid hybrid L.C. Loog Tone should read LONG, then just have a read.

Dear Mr. Roger
You are correctly registered name is Lc. Loog Tone.
This cross our cousin Mr. Tawee Thongprasit have the name belong to his son, Loog means Child and Tone means nickname of this son.
Best regards,
Somsak

One up for me.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Tuesday's bargains.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

Thought you might like to see why I was so chuffed with my bargains.

The two Paphs leaf span are about ten to twelve inches.

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another bargain.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Hi there Geoff,

Hope you enjoyed your meal, but I dare say you were both 'Tired' when you got home............could just not resist that one.

Cheers, Rocky.

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Another bargain.

> I had that down in my diary to go yesterday − the Wisley Flower
> Show it was called in the RHS book − a 3 day event but the other 2
> days were impossible for me for other reasons.

[Snip]

> And as Joyce was telling me just how far it is, a long drive, lots
> of expensive diesel etc ( actually about 90 minutes from here with
> a fair wind ), and then in the end we were invited to lunch at a
> what turned out to be a restaurant with a Michelin starred chef -
> on the opposite side of the forest to you ( near Fordingbridge) so
> went there instead.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slug killer.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Hello Rocky and Geoff,
Just looked at the box of slug killer. It says it can be sprayed on all flowering and ornamental plants. I must stress that I only flash the sprayer over the plants on the bench, nothing gets wet , just a few spots on top leaves. If they manage to get their feet on the plants it seems to be absorbed through the slime. Loads more this morning around the greenhouse outside even after last nights rain.
David.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slug killer.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Hello Rocky,
On second thoughts, you will still have the filler from the pellets that goes mouldy, only it will be a fine film everywhere.
David

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slug killer.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

According to theory it won't dissolve to give a metaldehyde solution, but
will break down to give CO2 _ harmful emissions − ( big joke !) plus water.
You may be left with a blue liquid, since the blue is a dye. But water is
not likely to do much harm to slugs . The stuff used in the "sluggit" or
Scotts' equivalent is a different thing.

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

I looked at the nematode possibility some years ago # such an elegant solution. But the expense for a mere square metre x the area I had to do, was a major turn-off. I doubt if its very different now. All biological controls seem to be expensive ways of doing things.

Geoff

Lynda Coles wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis tetraspis (3),

> Hello all,

> re:- slug killing...as an alternative to the pesticide metaldehyde
> (which is toxic to pets, wildlife and people...including the
> wildlife that eat the poisened slugs and snails)

> http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Actives/Metaldeh.htm

> try the nematodes (nemaslug)..effective, natural predator easy to
> apply and non toxic.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Slug killer.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Hi David,

Good point about the 'filler'. I may just try a small amount and see what happens.

Cheers Rocky.

P.S. Just so as my memory has not forgotten everything, was it Phil Cribb that once worked at McBeans and had that Orchid Nursery south of Chichester, or was it another fellow that I get him mixed up with.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: more mix questions − miltonopsis use Paph mix?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008

Hi,

One of my favorite orchids is miltonopsis, they grow great here but several (more than I want to admit to ) are really weak at the base, the roots are not so good.

I am looking for advice on what mix to use and water and light suggestions. I have been using a finer catleya mix ( small charcoal, small pumus stone, small is .5 − .25 cm ) I think it needs to be finer. The roots seem to like coconut husks but I do not they tend to never dry out for me.

Light floricultura said 2000-3000 lux I am not sure exactly what this is cattleya light or less? I have it in a slightly shadier spot than the cats, the leaves seam on the lighter shade of light green.

Thanks,

Jim

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