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1—7 August

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wild flowers and wild orchids.
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008

Mornin' Sue,

I am not one bit surprised to hear that you think you may have an orchid in your sights..........many years ago my friends and I were often stopped in our tracks by a Wild Flower that looked something like an orchid. In fact many people still think that they have seen a Bird's Nest Orchid, when in fact it is one of the Broomrapes. And there are some Wild Flowers that do resemble orchids.

It's not that easy is it !!!

Your photos show the 'Common Toadflax' [ Linaria vulgaris ]. A very pretty flower.

Do you have any wild Balsam in your area ???

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] are these orchids or not
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008

Toadflax − not an orchid − a relative of the snapdragons (once) so beloved
of Parks Departments.

Latin name Linaria vulgaris − family is now Scrophularia ( which always
sounds so scandalous , although "scrophulous" is actually a medical term)
but it was Plantaginacea at one time, when Adam was a lad.

If you are not into native orchids, or orchid taxonomy, they can be so
difficult. I remember as a 7 or maybe 8 year old collecting wild flowers to
press for my "naturalist" badge in the Wolf Cubs ( boy scouts − junior
version) and I came across some flowers growing on the mud at the side of
the River Rea in Birmingham − couldn't find them in my first and only flora
- "The Observers Book of Wild Flower" − as I remember....

( I had no helpful adults, my contemporaries were only interested in
playing tag or hopscotch or whatever, and I had not then learnt to access
libraries − I had difficulty enough getting the fiction I wanted to read
instead of being foisted off with infant literature by "helpful" librarians
).

I decided that these flowers must be very rare, and therefore must be
orchids.

Actually they were Indian Balsam − Impatiens glandulifura , but I have to
say that I have some South American orchid species which are not unlike
balsam in their flowers .

Geoff

Sue Brinsko wrote re: [OrchidTalk] are these orchids or not

> On my "looking for native orchids" walks, I keep seeing these tiny yellow
> flowers. At first I concluded they are not orchids (the "parts'" don't look
> exactly right), but the parts are so fused looking I'm not sure. what do you
> think? (I hope the pics are clear enough). Sue B

|| Note from Tricia: I reduced the pics to one quarter size, which made them
||a bit sharper. They look more like snapdragons than orchids to me, but I
||could very well be wrong!

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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] are these orchids or not
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008

No! Not orchids

Tony

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Pollination.
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008

Hi all,

On Wednesday last, I spent a very enjoyable hour or so wandering around a lovely little wood. The wood was of mixed trees and stinging nettles, plus a few other plants. It was very shady, but the sun did get through now and again.

The beauty of this wood is that it is so silent. Just the noise of an aircraft now and then, and if the wind is in the correct direction, the sound of the traffic on the M27.

Just me creeping around taking many, many images of Helleborines.

Images 74 and 76 give you some idea of the habitat.

Image 84 is of a Broad-leaved Helleborine.....just 12 millimetres across.

Image 87 shows the pollinia that I removed with a very tiny stick.

Image 90 shows the two hollow depressions after the removal of the pollinia.

Image 93 shows the grains of pollen stuck to the stigma after I had 'dabbed' the pollinia on it.

The result being 'Pollination'.

It was an hour well spent, especially as there are so many hybrids in that wood, and many questions to be answered.

I will no doubt pay another visit in the very near future.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: 001, Phalaenopsis parishii
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008

Hello All,
Here are two photographs of the same plant. The multiflowered one is my
first attempt at using a scanner from a 35 mm picture taken in June
2005. The other one is the same plant this year taken on my digital
camera. Unfortunately the centre of the plant died during this last
winter, but the few flowers it has produced are much bigger. It's
growing strongly again so hope it will produce another good crop of
flowers next year.
David

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wild flowers and wild orchids.
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

Hello Rocky The Pollinator, I've been trying to research as to where to look
for wild orchids and which wild orchids I might expect to find. So far the
only useful fact I've found is that the season is almost over so I'd better
look fast! I've contacted a good friend whose DH works for the DNR
(Department of Natural Resources.....the folks in charge of the state
forests here) in the hopes that he could save me some time, but so far I
haven't heard from him. Of course that has not stopped me from stomping
along the trails on my own, counting the various parts of the various
plants, having a whale of a good time, and probably learning a lot
regardless of finding nothing that is Clearly an orchid. VBG Any excuse to
go into the forest is a good excuse in my book. Sue B

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: E-bay.
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

Mornin' all,

I have been looking at E-bay's U.K. site and I see orchids for sale, especially from two 'Sellers'. One is from Thailand, and so I E-mailed the seller asking about paperwork/CITES etc. The answer came back very quickly, but I was not sure that I understood what was said.....a little bit confusing, but I think that the seller meant, 'No problem'. Question is, have any of you either purchased from 'Thailand' and can give any information please.

Another U.K. 'Seller' named 'Paphsrus' offers some very good looking plants. I E-mailed the seller asking if the plants were flowering size.......as yet no reply. Any offers of information regarding this seller please.

Thank you.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wild flowers and wild orchids.
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

Hi there Sue,

Keep at it and I feel sure that you will be rewarded in the end. I spent many years stomping around the countryside and enjoyed every minute of it. Have many tales to tell !!!!!

When you do get successful, please let us know.

Best wishes, and lots of luck, Rocky.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

Rocky normaly they have photo of actual plant for sale,scroll to bottom and
they show what flower looks like and actual size of plant
tom

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From: Nathaniel Green
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

Hi Roger,

I have bought orchid from ebay many times and a couple of times they were
from abroad and once from Paphsrus; I think some dendrobiums; and in my
experience they all have ruffle the same line that is it is down to the
buyer to get the paperwork, or that if customs confiscates them then they
are not liable. I have not had any problems as yet, the plants were fine.

Nat

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

Roger, Two proverbs come to mind
1. When you sup with the devil, use a long spoon
and
2. Let your eyes be your guide and your money the last thing you part with
Sorry 3
3. Afool and his money are easily parted.
I follow your investigation with interest
Dennis

Roger Grier wrote:
Mornin' all,

> I have been looking at E-bay's U.K. site and I see orchids for
> sale, especially from two 'Sellers'. One is from Thailand, and so
> I E-mailed the seller asking about paperwork/CITES etc. The answer
> came back very quickly, but I was not sure that I understood what
> was said.....a little bit confusing, but I think that the seller
> meant, 'No problem'. Question is, have any of you either purchased
> from 'Thailand' and can give any information please.
>
> Another U.K. 'Seller' named 'Paphsrus' offers some very good
> looking plants. I E-mailed the seller asking if the plants were
> flowering size.......as yet no reply. Any offers of information
> regarding this seller please.
>

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

How about − 4 -

If it seems too good to be true,......

geoff

Dennis Read wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.

> Roger, Two proverbs come to mind..
[Snip]

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: and on the subject of CITES...
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008

A little story ( thanks to OSGB Journal)...

It seems that the 'official' ( at Kew) plant press, used by botanists to
press flowers for herbariums is made of ramin wood.

A CITES permit is needed for the export or import of ramin wood.

So the Kew botanist goes to Peru to do some research, takes the press (
maybe intending to press a few flowers − of species which are not included
in the CITES lists) . The equivalent of a Peruvian botanist coming to
England and pressing a few dandelions or cow parsley , they will be great
curiosities in Peru I shouldn't wonder !

HO ho.... The paperwork needed for the press , not the flowers ..1. Export
permit (CITES) for Ramin wood from UK. 2. Import permit (CITES) from UK
into Peru. Then the chap wants to bring the press back with him ( Kew is a
Govt. Dept. , if he loses the press , it's a black mark on his record ).

So 3. Export (CITES) permit from Peru. 4. Import (CITES) permit into UK., 5.
Phytosanitary certificate.....

How can you take all this nonsense seriously ?

But suppose you don't, and you actually meet a Customs Officer ( the last
time I came in with two very large boxes of plants , they were all at lunch
and I strolled through...) − but suppose you do, and suppose he is officious
( had a bad lunch, maybe). No CITES ? Seize the lot, probably arrest you (
maybe under the Terrorism Act which is now an excuse for doing anything to
innocent people especially), unsympathetic magistrate, maximum penalty is a
jail sentence, but previously of good repute so, but wait a minute , didn't
you write a letter to the newspapers criticising the Govt ? better make an
example of you then. 6 months, £1000 fine, pay costs, go to jail, do not
pass go., do not collect £200..

Geoff

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From: suzanne sadler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008

i bought from paphrus and ended up with spider mite infestation but that could have been a coincidence.

"Roger Grier" wrote re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.

> Mornin' all,
>
> I have been looking at E-bay's U.K. site and I see orchids for
> sale, especially from two 'Sellers'. One is from Thailand, and so
> I E-mailed the seller asking about paperwork/CITES etc. The answer
> came back very quickly, but I was not sure that I understood what
> was said.....a little bit confusing, but I think that the seller
> meant, 'No problem'. Question is, have any of you either purchased
> from 'Thailand' and can give any information please.
>
> Another U.K. 'Seller' named 'Paphsrus' offers some very good
> looking plants. I E-mailed the seller asking if the plants were
> flowering size.......as yet no reply. Any offers of information
> regarding this seller please.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Phalaenopsis appendiculata, Phalaenopsis appendiculata (4), Phalaenopsis appendiculata (6)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008

Hello all,
Here are some pictures taken today. It's one of the smallest
Phalaenopsis, with flowers 1cm across. My plant measures 13cm leaf tip
to leaf tip. I think only chibbae has smaller flowers, and my plant is
marginally smaller at 10cm across.
David

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008

Come come ; you got more than you paid for ? How can you complain about that ? ( joke)

I have occasionally, ( correction) rarely − had a bargain on e-bay. But the chance of being ripped off is so high that I wonder at the apparent success of that site. It does prove the old adage that there is one borne every minute.

I wouldn't even waste my time looking.

Geoff

suzanne sadler wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] E-bay.

> i bought from paphrus and ended up with spider mite infestation but
> that could have been a coincidence.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Ramin wood and CITES.
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008

Hi Geoff,

What a truly wonderful and humorous story, especially on a Sunday afternoon. What you wrote: How can you take all this nonsense seriously ? It is absolutely true, how can we take it seriously.

I suppose we just laugh at it because anyone who does take it seriously will end up in an asylum.

One question for you and all the other Members, and it is one that I have asked before, but relying on what you wrote, can I just ask, why is a permit required [using common sense] for Laboratory raised hybrids.

And no going of on a side track, just answer the question, ha, ha. Because a Customs Official should go by the book..........and the book does not cover HYBRIDS. There, that's another way of looking at it.

Muggy here today, followed by Toogy Weggy and Thuggy.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis appendiculata, Phalaenopsis appendiculata (4), Phalaenopsis appendiculata (6)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008

That is a plant in beautiful condition. One new to me , too.

Congrats.

Geoff

David Martin wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis appendiculata, Phalaenopsis appendiculata (6)

> Hello all,
> Here are some pictures taken today. It's one of the smallest Phalaenopsis,
> with flowers 1cm across. My plant measures 13cm leaf tip to leaf tip. I
> think only chibbae has smaller flowers, and my plant is marginally smaller
> at 10cm across.
> David

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: David's Phalaeopsis.jpg
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008

Hi David,

And yet another little beauty, I know you will be highly chuffed.

What interests me is that the tiny flower has such diverse markings.....stripes, blotches, etc. and the yellowish brown portions that make up the parts that I suppose attract the insects.

Then there is the very long anther cap area, [see arrow] where the underside is coated with glue. I have noticed that there are others in the Phalaenopsis Genus that also have this very long part, whereas others are quite short.

All in all a very interesting Phalaenopsis.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cattleya Forbesii alba.
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008

Hi all,

I purchased this plant at Southsea in the Spring of 2007 from Andreas Stockelbusch and I am very pleased with it.

Only point that I would like to make is to the name 'alba'.

As Geoff pointed out, an alba flower should be all white, and I agree with him on this issue.

So what do you all have to say ???

The flower will hopefully always be as shown, so whatever the correct name I sure do like it.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya Forbesii alba.
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008

Here is an Enc. tampensis alba and it's a very important orchid for Floridians. All of the red is gone and that's good enough for use. It is more green then white but there is no 'verdi' to name. And 'albescens' means some purple.

Here is another green alba. C. bicolor alba

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya Forbesii alba.
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008

Roger, had a search through the system and what I come up with is that the forbesii alba you picture IS the correct name. I find no record of a white forbesii. The alba name is misleading but all the records I found use this name.
#
#
Roy.

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis appendiculata, Phalaenopsis appendiculata (4), Phalaenopsis appendiculata (6)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008

Wow, that is beautiful!! I had one of these, but it was a sickly plant and eventually lost all its leaves and died. I'll have to look for a replacement.

David Martin wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Phalaenopsis appendiculata, Phalaenopsis appendiculata (4), Phalaenopsis appendiculata (6)
>
> Hello all,
> Here are some pictures taken today. It's one of the smallest
> Phalaenopsis, with flowers 1cm across. My plant measures 13cm leaf tip
> to leaf tip. I think only chibbae has smaller flowers, and my plant is
> marginally smaller at 10cm across.
> David

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Bulbophyllum hybrid?
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008

I bought this recently and the flower (5x6cm) opened 2 days ago.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_6795b.jpg

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