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8—14 July

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Three items.
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008

Mornin' David,

Thanks for the very informative photos of your 'Show-an-orchis'. That mass of flowers must be a positive lure from some insect that happens to be in the area.....meaning in its natural habitat.

Thanks to those that replied about 'Orchid Jacky'. I still have not had a reply from them.....fingers crossed !!!

Geoff's 'Hard-bulbed' [Epidendrum nemorale] as John names it, which is where I come in. I had a couple of such plants some years ago, but they refused to throw up a new growth and just dwindled away. Maybe after reading what Geoff said I will have another go at them. They sure are worth the effort.

Water butts are overflowing !!!!!

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Images.
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008

Hi Rocky, I tried that website and find that most of them don't connect but for some reason the third one does. I didn't try more than about 5 so maybe some of the others will connect too − Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Devizes Marsh Orchids.
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008

Mornin' Gavin,

That sure is some site, and as you said, it does at first seem strange to find so many on such a 'dry' type site. Must book this for a visit next year.

As to the ant visitor.....I have slides showing several different 'visitors' and it does add weight to the fact that whatever it is that the orchid offers as a lure to the pollinator, it sure must be tasty.

More needs to be done about the different pollinators, as well as the completely different types of terrain that the same orchid will grow quite happily in.

If only we could all see actual photos/images of orchids where they actually grow, i.e. Central and South America/Asia/Australia etc.

Isle Of Wight Helleborine still not open.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hopefully the Isle Of Wight helleborine
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008

Hi all,

Being just a few minutes drive away from where these orchids grow, gives me the ample opportunity to describe their habitat.

They grow at the base of a very large old willow tree, surrounded by brambles and other vegetation.

This evening, about 18:00 hours this tidal stretch of the river Test was at one of its highest marks. The orchids feet were almost standing in water. In fact, a few years ago I did see some that were under water at the highest tide marks.

As I remarked earlier, those who are not accustomed to seeing the Helleborines will expect the buds to open in a few days or maybe a week..........don't be fooled, they can often stay that way for weeks, as my photos show.

When the flowers do open I will strive to get some really good shots to show the many identification points.

Cheers for now Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Broad leaved Helleborine.
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008

Hi all,

Of the eight or so Helleborines that are growing in my garden, which just appeared a few years ago, there does seem to be one or two different types. Hell $%^*&&)(*($$%)*)_(

The two photos are of one plant that has opened it's flowers long before the others. At first glance it would say to the observer: "I am a Broad-leaved Helleborine". But, what makes me sceptical is the fact that the flowers are so pendulous ?????

Admittedly, those two shots were taken just now with rain almost starting and me on my knees, with no tripod. But, to all admirers of our Native Orchids, you can now see what makes them so intriguing. I will wait for some good weather and then take many photos of this plant to show you.

One other baffling, annoying, interesting point is this. Of the five or is it six Helleborines in a space about five foot square, one of them has a purple stem..........the others are green. !!!!

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Not Masdevallias
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008

Not Masdevallias or Pleuros this time , but a very pleasing Gongora
gelata − it's the most flowers it has ever produced. A count of five
spikes, even if one does only have a single flower on it! As a bonus
it also has a delicate perfume.

--

Boss

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

On Jul 8, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Roger Grier wrote:

> If only we could all see actual photos/images of orchids where they
> actually grow, i.e. Central and South America/Asia/Australia etc.
>

Roger,
Okay, here you go. Attached are some photos of Calypso bulbosa taken
in the forest behind a campground from which my wife and I stayed in
the Big Horn Mountains of north-central Wyoming. We returned Monday
evening, as it was a mere 10 hr drive. Regrettably, the season was
still early and the Calypso was the only orchid species found in
bloom. The Platanthera, Coeloglossum, Goodyera, and others were not
yet spiked. However, the montane meadows were loaded with massive
floral displays representing many families.

cheers,

Paul

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Alan's Gongora.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Mornin' Alan,

No wonder you are pleased, as it has done very well for you. I have often wondered about what is the best type of 'container' to grow a Gongora.

It does seem as though the higher up the plant grows the better; to enable the flower spikes to hang out over the side. Maybe some of our 'Members' can tell of the different methods that this lovely plant grows in/attached to.

Water Butts overflowing yet again !!!!!

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Calypso bulbosa.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Good morning Paul,

What a lovely surprise. I feel quite sure, that after seeing your excellent shots of this orchid growing in its natural environment, many of us will want to buy a few plants and hopefully naturalise them in our gardens.................feed back anyone !!!!

It sure is a most wonderful plant with many points of interest for me.

What intrigues me is what you said about the other Genus that were not yet in flower, Platanthera, Coeloglossum and Goodyera. So I looked at your Latitude and then mine. A difference of a few hundred miles. My guess is that these plants were not yet in flower due to your climate, i.e. always the very cold Winter, am I on the right path ???

As to your mention of the 'mere ten hour drive'..........I for one always try to remember just how big other Countries are. U.K. North to South, say 500 miles.....distance across your State, 380 miles.

Going back to the Bulbosa, I will ask around as to where to buy this lovely plant.

Cheers mate, Rodge.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish and some deep thoughts on orchid chemistry
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

If it's that near Paul, you can pop out again before breakfast next week...
(joke).

However , the reason for sending this message was not just to joke, but to
make a point and ask a question.

The calypso is something which is merely a name to me, but the thought it
triggers in my mind is about the pink/purple colour. It is sometimes called
orchid pink, and it is a colour one sees in so many different genera − the
cattleya alliance, pleiones, dendrobiums − to name but three ( well,
actually I can't think of any others immediately). But it's a colour not
very common elsewhere in flowers , and again, off the cuff I can't think of
it anywhere in any of the things I grow in my garden.

All of which is interesting and curious. Another unique thing about orchids
? What creates that colour I wonder ( like the way delphinase creates that
blue in delphiniums, and so on ) ?

Geoff

Paul Johnson wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish

> Roger,

> Okay, here you go. Attached are some photos of Calypso bulbosa taken in the
> forest behind a campground from which my wife and I stayed in the Big Horn
> Mountains of north-central Wyoming.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Calypso bulbosa.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Paul,

I forgot to ask about the height of the plants in your photo.........I'll have a guess, four inches ???

Thanks, Rodge.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roger's wish
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Beautiful orchids and first class photos Paul − a wonderful sight on another day of torrential rain here in U.K.! − Jean

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From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: 001, Phalaenopsis corningiana (2), Schoenorchis fragrans, Phalaenopsis inscriptiosinensis (2)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Hello David,

may I ask you where you got your corningiana, and in which conditions you keep
your Schoenorchis?

Cheers

Silvio

> Hello All
> Here are three plants in flower this week. Two of my Phal species and a
> tiny Schoenorchis , small enough for a button hole.
> David

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From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk]
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

I would like to go no mail until the 18th of July but am not familiar with how to accomplish this. Help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Calypso bulbosa.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Hi Paul and other interested Members,

I got this image from the Internet to illustrate what I think is the two pronged lower end of the hollow lip.

Apart from the wonderful bristles on the front of the lip, there are so many other features that we could discuss, but may bore some Members.

So, does the lower end of the lip divide into the two pointed ends ???

Does the hollow lip contain any nectar or something for the pollinator ?

Still raining !!!!

Cheers Rodge.

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans, 002 (2), 003, 004
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Hi David,

Your S. fragrans is magnificent! Mine is puny compared to yours. Do you have a photo showing the side-view of the flowers? Mine has a rather elongated lip and I want to see if it is the norm.

cheers,
esther

david martin wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans, 002 (2), 003, 004

> Hi Rodge,
> These pictures look better. Can't get them any bigger because the
> flowers are only 2mm across. It's two growths, one in front of the
> other, and that is another spike, as you can now see. The roots attached
> to the bark are smooth unlike the ones waving about in fresh air.
> David

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Three items.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Afternoon Rocky,
Same situation here, Water butts are overflowing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards
Peter

[Snip]

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk]
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

On 09 Jul, in article ,
Janet Fabricant wrote:
> I would like to go no mail until the 18th of July but am not
> familiar with how to accomplish this. Help would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.

Two ways:

1. To trigger the list software to do it automagically, send a
message addressed to the list with the word 'unsubscribe' or
'signoff' (without quotes) in the subject line, and then send
'subscribe' or 'signon' when you return.

2. To trigger the list firmware (me!) to do it, just drop me a
message with the details of dates. If you don't want to broadcast the
fact you will be away simply address your message to
admin@orchid-talk.co.uk or webmaster@orchid-talk.co.uk − either way
will work.

I will suspend mail for you until 18th.

Hope that helps :-)

--

Tricia

A day without sunshine is like... night.

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From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk]
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Thank you Tricia
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Wow! Very lovely. Paul, you've inspired me. I live right on the edge of a
large state owned forest (my favorite place to be). I'm going to find out if
it contains any Wisconsin native orchids I can search for and share in pics.
Sue B

> Roger,
> Okay, here you go. Attached are some photos of Calypso bulbosa taken in
> the forest behind a campground from which my wife and I stayed in the Big
> Horn Mountains of north-central Wyoming.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Calypso bulbosa.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Roger what an interesting orchid. Here is a page from the web and the orchid doesn't appear to have that little divided 'beard' that yours has. − Jean

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Calypso bulbosa.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Roger said:-

U.K. North to South, say 500 miles

Uk is not quite that small, unless it's shrunk in all this rain.

Windermere is said to be half way between Lands End & John O 'Groats − and
its 434 miles each way 868 miles.

Geoff

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Calypso bulbosa.
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Hello Roger,
It is lunchtime here, with a few minutes to read e-mail. On to your
various questions:

Height? These plants were closer to about 5-6 inches high. The
shorter inflorescences, i.e. without flowers, became nibbles for one
or more of the local deer. The beggars were walking through our camp
site, maybe knowing that it is still three months to hunting season!

Latitude will not help a whole lot on this instance as you still need
to adjust the elevation about 8000 ft upward. The Big Horn Mts are
about midway across Wyoming and extend slightly across the Montana
border. The main peak exceeds 13,000 ft. As a thrust/fault uplift
there is approximately a 10,000 ft difference in extremes from the
base of the range on the east side to the top of Cloud Peak, the high
point. We were camping at 7700 ft and the winter and spring snow
accumulation had only melted from the area about 10 days previous to
our arrival. So, still a bit early, phenologically speaking.

Yes, South Dakota is a bit longish on its latitudinal axis, so by
adding the additional distance halfway across Wyoming, we probably
exceeded the length of the U.K. by a few miles. Then, up.

As to the spurs under the lip of Calypso, I will have to defer to
others to answer that one. You shall force me to the gory details of
Calypso morphology to find information on those structures. My
understanding is that the North American varieties of this species do
not have nectar and attract bumblebee pollinators by deceit. Is the
Eurasian variety different in this regard?

Please send some rain. : ) Although the meteorologists say that
June was a wet month for us and that we will likely exceed our average
annual amount. But, so far July has been hot and dry in our area −
need to breakout the garden sprinklers!

chat later,

Paul

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish and some deep thoughts on orchid chemistry
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Hi Geoff,

Did not floral colors get discussed in one of Arditti's compilations
on orchid biology? I will try to take a look through some of his tomes.

Paul

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: 001, Phalaenopsis corningiana (2), Schoenorchis fragrans, Phalaenopsis inscriptiosinensis (2)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008

Hello Silvio,
A friend brought it back from Germany when he visited his daughter, so I
don't know where it came from. He visits any available nurseries and brings
me back plants I may not have.
The Schoenorchis is grown in the same greenhouse as my Phal species. Right
up in the apex, quite bright, high humidity, Min 21deg C Max up to 35 Deg C
according to the sun. I spray the roots every morning with weak fertilizer,
150-200 microsiemens with plain water sprays occasionally.
David

"Silvio a Beccara" wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: 001, Phalaenopsis corningiana (2),
Schoenorchis fragrans, Phalaenopsis inscriptiosinensis (2)

> Hello David,
>
> may I ask you where you got your corningiana, and in which conditions you
> keep your Schoenorchis?

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Mornings chat.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Hi to you all,

So Sue is off to the dark interior of Wisconsin to look for wild orchids. At least our 'Club' does work in many mysterious ways, and Sue, do please tell and show us what you find. Maybe John in New York State will also be lucky.....what say you John.???

As to the odd weather pattern this year, Peter from South Africa also has his water butts overflowing, but Paul still needs some rain.

And thanks Paul for all of the information regarding the orchid, the area, and the climate.....very interesting.

Jean, it appears that you also have a touch of the 'Old Codgers' disease.......so where is the website ???

Geoff, I was speaking 'As the Crow Fly's, so it is about 500 miles save a few.

Rocky.

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From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: 001, Phalaenopsis corningiana (2), Schoenorchis fragrans, Phalaenopsis inscriptiosinensis (2)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Hello David,

thanks for the information, you are lucky to have such a friend...

As for the Schoenorchis, yours are more or less the same conditions I keep

mine, so I hope it will bloom sometime :-) ...

Silvio

mercoledC3AC 9 luglio 2008
> Hello Silvio,
> A friend brought it back from Germany when he visited his daughter, so I
> don't know where it came from. He visits any available nurseries and brin
gs
> me back plants I may not have.
> The Schoenorchis is grown in the same greenhouse as my Phal species. Right
> up in the apex, quite bright, high humidity, Min 21deg C Max up to 35 Deg
C
> according to the sun. I spray the roots every morning with weak fertilize
r,
> 150-200 microsiemens with plain water sprays occasionally.
> David

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Wow, this is a beautiful orchid!! Are the flowers fragrant?

esther

elater wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish

> Roger,Okay, here you go. Attached are some photos of Calypso
> bulbosa taken in the forest behind a campground from which my wife
> and I stayed in the Big Horn Mountains of north-central Wyoming...

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] ants on orchids
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

delspyes

On Jul 8, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Roger Grier wrote:

> As to the ant visitor.....I have slides showing several different
> 'visitors' and it does add weight to the fact that whatever it is
> that the orchid offers as a lure to the pollinator, it sure must be
> tasty.

Roger,

Most ants, especially the weedy species that hang around us and our
abodes, are great omnivores. If it is edible, ants will find it.
They particularly like sugars. Orchids are like other plants in that
they exude fluids, particularly from inflorescences, and these are
carbohydrate-rich, but some have more exudate than others and under
slightly differing conditions. Ants love these exudates. As an
example, the various Stanhopea and Gongora that are presently spiking
or blooming are consistently visited, almost continuously, my small
ants nest elsewhere, away from the plants, but are finding their was
to the hanging plants where they are lapping the thin layer of carb's
coating portions of the developing buds. Many plants produce the
exudates through specialized hair-like structures called glandular
trichomes. It can be rather fun to watch ants and other insects run
their mouthparts up and down these trichomes to remove the carbs; sort
of like us chewing on a barbecued rib or corn cob. Another note, is
that the small drops of fluid that develop on growing tissues are
exudates being purged by the plants usually under increased turgor, a
process called guttation. These droplets are immediately attractive
to ants such that it is almost impossible to find guttation droplets
when ants are around, and it is most interesting to watch them
surround a developing droplet like Serengeti Wildebeest at a rare
watering hole.

BTW, for those that do not care for the ants, these carb exudates are
water soluble. Frequent overhead watering will wash the exudates from
the plant parts and the ants will leave.

ciao,

Paul

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Mornings chat.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Roger I must have it badly because I'm not sure which website you are referring to? − Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Two new flowers for me.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Hi all,

I recently purchased some more plants from our 'Italian Friends', and two of them are just into bloom.

The 'White' one is: Odontoglossum Anna Clair, and the 'Red' one is: Vuylstekeara Yokara Perfection x Oncidium leucochilum.

What I like about the Odont is the fact that the dark reddish-brown centre offsets the yellow 'teeth.

The Vuylstekeara I am very pleased with.

Have shot them with a black and a grey background to see what you think.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Odonts
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

They look particularly good Roger. I am just getting interested in the Odont. alliance so could you repeat the italian web site.
The flags are out. The sun shone today ! Dennis

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mornings chat.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Hi Jean,

You are not the only one !!!!! What I was referring to was the fact that you did not say which one, i.e. give the actual website.

Rodge.

Jean Lewis wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Mornings chat.

> Roger I must have it badly because I'm not sure which website you
> are referring to? − Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Plant sugars.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Hello Paul,

Thanks for the fabulous information, which I will store in my overflowing brain, which unfortunately does not have an external Hard Drive of 500 Gb's.

Exudates, and guttation. I will tell Mary about this because as she is a Fuchsia fan she will now know what the droplets are that form on the outer edges of the leaves, especially on one or two plants, more so than on others.

As you said, it is so nice to sit and watch the different insects visit the flowers. I once sat beside a Broad-leaved Helleborine for fifty minutes, watching a wasp crawl/move from flower to flower. It eventually dropped to the ground, being well drunk and then after about five minutes or so got up and flew away.

If only our hangovers were so short lived, ha, ha.

Cheers mate, Rodge.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Two new flowers for me.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

I think your photography is not bad Roger ( although a darker shade of black
needed on one ) but your staking or perhaps that of your Italian friends
needs a bit of a refresher course !

Geoff

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Esther,
Here are a couple of side views as requested. The lip is about 3mm long.
David

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mornings chat.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

"Who's on first" Sue B

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008
wrote:

> Hi Jean,
>
> You are not the only one !!!!! What I was referring to was the fact that
> you did not say which one, i.e. give the actual website.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roger Mornings chat.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Hi Roger, yes I realized that but I can't remember what we were talking about and which website it was!lol Less confusing to forget it I suppose:) Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Two new flowers for me.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Roger stunning orchids and excellent photographs. It seems difficult to beat the quality of the Narodotto orchids. We have always been pleased with them when we order for our local society. − Jean

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Plant sugars.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Roger said

If only our hangovers were so short lived

Perhaps they are, in terms of life-span ? If a worker wasp lives for 3
months, and we live say 280 times as long ( 70 years) then a 5 minute
hang-over for a wasp a 24 hour hang-over for some wild reckless
binge-drinking teenager . And there are none of them in this group, I'd bet
money.

Serve's 'em right too.

geoff

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Esther,

Yes, Calypso bulbusa is fragrant as is needed to attract the bumblebee
pollinators from long distances. To me it is mild and slightly musty;
my wife says that it is sweet; the dog just found them curious.

Paul

On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:35 AM, Esther Koh wrote:

> Wow, this is a beautiful orchid!! Are the flowers fragrant?
>
> esther

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Hi David,

Here's a couple of pictures of mine when it last bloomed.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_5372b.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_5358b.jpg

Clearly not as showy as yours :)

esther

david martin wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans

> Esther,
> Here are a couple of side views as requested. The lip is about 3mm long.

http://www.get.live.com/wl/all

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Roger Mornings chat.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

On 11 Jul, in article ,
Jean Lewis wrote:
> Hi Roger, yes I realized that but I can't remember what we were
> talking about and which website it was!lol Less confusing to forget
> it I suppose:) Jean

Jean, I think this was the message, about Calypso bulbosa, that
started the kerfuffle:

Jean Lewis wrote re: Calypso bulbosa.

> Roger what an interesting orchid. Here is a page from the web and the
> orchid doesn't appear to have that little divided 'beard' that yours
> has. − Jean

--

Tricia

For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Roger Mornings chat.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Roger this is the website with the Calypso bulbosa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calypso_orchid − Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Roger Mornings chat.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Thank you Tricia!lol I'd better try and find it again and include the url
this time − Jean

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger Mornings chat.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Jean − this is what I was talking about when I asked everyone sending a
message to include part of the message they are replying to.( Unless of
course it's a brand new subject) . This create a thread, which is meaningful
!.

Just saying "yes" without quoting the question, is meaningless !.

Geoff

Jean Lewis wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Roger Mornings chat.

> Hi Roger, yes I realized that but I can't remember what we were talking
> about and which website it was!lol Less confusing to forget it I suppose:)
> Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Odonts
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Evenin' Dennis,

Sorry about the late reply but life has been rather hectic here.

Their website is: www.nardottoecapello.it

Hope you find them as good as I always say they are.

Bit drier today but this evening it has just bucketed down.

Cheers Rodge.

Dennis Read wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Odonts

> They look particularly good Roger. I am just getting interested in
> the Odont. alliance so could you repeat the italian web site. The
> flags are out. The sun shone today ! Dennis

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008

Hi Esther,
Not many flowers, but they look bigger, and the lip looks different. Do you grow it as warm as me? Min 19 Deg C in the winter Min 21 Deg in the Summer. I raise the temp to about 23 Deg in the Winter on some days. My book says, grow at Intermediate to Warm temps, so it must be about right.
That may not be the answer, may just be the individual clone.
David

Esther Koh wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans

> Hi David,

> Here's a couple of pictures of mine when it last bloomed.

> http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_5372b.jpg
> http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_5358b.jpg

> Clearly not as showy as yours :)

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008

Hi David,

I grow mine much warmer, from 24 to 33 degrees C − I live one degree north of the equator!
Maybe that is why it has so few flowers. Each flower is about 3 by 5mm when viewed directly from the front.

Yours is obviously doing very well under your care. I hope mine will eventually produce more flowers.

cheers,
esther

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008

Hi Paul,

Funny how the same thing smells different to each person. I see from the Wiki link that these are cool-growing plants. Means I can forget about growing them.

cheers,
esther

elater wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's wish

> Esther,
> Yes, Calypso bulbusa is fragrant as is needed to attract
> the bumblebee pollinators from long distances. To me it is mild
> and slightly musty; my wife says that it is sweet; the dog just
> found them curious. Paul

http://www.get.live.com/wl/all

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008

Hello Esther,
I have an Encyclia microbulbon, which I kept in the warm greenhouse, as I didn't know what conditions it required. After a couple of years without flowers I got fed up with it and stuck it in the cool greenhouse. It has flowered profusely ever since.
David

Esther Koh wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans (2), Schoenorchis fragrans

> Hi David,

> I grow mine much warmer, from 24 to 33 degrees C − I live one
> degree north of the equator! Maybe that is why it has so few
> flowers. Each flower is about 3 by 5mm when viewed directly from
> the front.

> Yours is obviously doing very well under your care. I hope mine
> will eventually produce more flowers.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: David's Enclia microbulbon.
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008

Mornin' David,

I have two Meteorological books that refer to 'Asia' and 'Central & South America, the West Indies and Bermuda'. Both are titled: Tables of Temperature, relative humidity and precipitation for the World.

Unfortunately Mexico is just above the 'Cut off line', however, I easily looked up Towns/Cities in the area with the nearest corresponding altitude that your plant grows at.

It states that it grows in the Chiapas region of Mexico at between, [roughly] 4,000 feet and 7,000 feet.

I have looked at some figures in this book and the temperatures that are shown for the coldest nights are between the low forties Fahrenheit and the mid fifties.

So there we are David, that shows that you were correct.

If anyone would like me to ever look the figures for a certain area then just give me a try.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paph. Pinochio.
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008

Mornin' to you all,

My Paph Pinocchio sure is a very good plant. Must have had flowers now for many months, and I look forward to having flowers for months to come.

I normally bring the orchids that are in flower into our conservatory..........might as well enjoy them for much of the day, rather than just sat in the greenhouse. And it was while I was gazing at them yesterday that I noticed something humorous.

The photo of the two blooms reminded me of a couple of athletes doing the 100 metres dash and are dipping their heads, with arms outstretched behind them just as they are about to break the tape.

The other photo is from the other of the two spikes.

A bonus plant in more ways than one !!!

Regards, Rocky.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Not Masdevallias
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008

Alan,

Nice gongora! Glad to see I am not the only one gowing these! Are you gowing these in a greenhouse? what kind of conditions?

By The Way (BTW) who make the container, I would love to get some I have only seen very small ones like that.

Thanks,

Jim

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Alan Garner wrote:

> Not Masdevallias or Pleuros this time , but a very pleasing Gongora
> gelata − it's the most flowers it has ever produced. A count of five
> spikes, even if one does only have a single flower on it! As a bonus
> it also has a delicate perfume.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk]The ( or strictly an) anomalous Laelia − but now an Encyclia.
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008

Interesting, I thought it was a barkeria.

Jim

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, geoff hands wrote:

> I first saw this species decorating the verandah outside a
> bar at the side of the Pan-American Highway, in Costa Rica when on a holiday
> tour of that country many years ago.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: 031 Encyclia microbulbon
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008

Hello Rocky,
Thanks for the information about Encyclia microbulbon. I now keep it
with my Cymbidiums.
Thought I would send you a picture. It has a very sweet smell, fills the
whole greenhouse on a warm day.
David

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Not masdevallias
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008

Jim,hi!
I grow in a shaded greenhouse in Southern England and I keep the
temperatures between 10C and 16C. They grow in moss and are watered almost
everyday because the container allows very free drainage. The container is
a large sized pond plant container readily available in England at any
water garden specialists.
best wishes!

--

Boss

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: 031 Encyclia microbulbon
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008

This is not as I remember E.microbulbon ( which is not currently in my
collection − my memory is based on plants I had years ago) -although it does
resemble another Encyc. I have in my collection at present. Can you send a
pic of the plant ?

Geoff

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From: N & T Burgess
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Davids Enc microbulbon
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008

Having looked up this plant on IOSPE Photos it looks very similar to the picture of Alba Flower − the references are to the left under the picture and above the growing information (for David's benefit
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Little and Large 2
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008

This is another Little and Large picture.The little is Coel. prolifera ( I think) as this is it's last given name and the large is Coel. mooreana 'Westonbirt'.
The C. prolifera flower spike continues flowering each year for at least 4 years. Unfortunately the flower is only 0.8 cm wide but a perfect coelogyne in shape and a fine yellow.
Coel. mooreana is possibly the largest specie coelogyne and has the Westonbirt name.
Paul, did you get to the full story of C. mooreana 'Brockhurst' and its awarded FCC RHS. As far as I can find in RHS published records only 'Westonbirt' 1906 -1908 and 'Magnifcat' 1930 have been the awarded names.
Did the Orchid Digest or Cynthia Hill ever respond to comment that Coel. moorean 'Brockhurst' has never been awarded an FCC RHS (at least under that name)?
The article on coelogynes in the A/M/J issuewas great except for this anomally.
Regards from a Devon that can't make up it's mind whether to rain or shine. Dennis

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: 008 (3), 009 (2) Encyclia microbulbon
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008

Geoff,
Here are a couple of pictures you asked for. Seems there is some doubt
as to it's name. The leaves are 16cm long by 1 cm wide. The pseudobulbs
are the size of cherries.
Other people at the OSGB seem to think it is correctly named.
David

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Davids Enc microbulbon
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008

Norma,
My plant colour is the same as the picture you sent. It just turns yellow as it gets old.
David

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