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July 1—7

From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Anybody know how to grow Psychopsis krameriana (mariposa)?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Hi all,

Anyone know how to grow Psychopsis krameriana ( butterfly) orchids. It seems like I kill more than survive, that number is top secret it is way way to large for it to get out. It is the coolest looking flower but I am not having much luck. I would love to hear from someone on some tips of what to do or not to do....

Thanks,

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: stellis maybe? id help
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Hi all,

I was cleaning out a part of my green house and found this plant (see picts). I think it is a stellis? Any Pleurothalis alliance folks out there? I have a lot of Pleurothalis alliance plants that are still in the I have no Idea category, I'd like to make some contacts of some folks that could help me Id these.

Thanks,

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Intergeneric names
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Dennis said, "If it is only one of each, is this not ''Egging the pudding''
(?)

But that would have been true of the first Brassocattleya, the first
Wilsonara, etc. Etc...!

How else would you have them described, e/g/ as Ada x Brassia x
Cochlioda.... etc... ? Isn't Changara easier, even if we have to look it up
?

geoff

Dennis Read wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Intergeneric names

> In this periods Orchid Review in the Sandres List addendum there was a note
> saying that the full list of hybrids could be downloaded. Having found it I
> pressed Print and walked away.

> On my return I was amazed to be in the middle of a 78 page print out.

> My stupidity I know, but more to the point SEVENTYEIGHT PAGES.

> How many of you know that a Changara is Ada x Brassia xCochlioda x
> Odontoglossum x Oncidium ? or that Mauriceara is Aganisia x Batemania x
> Otostylis x Pabstia x Promenia x Zygopetalun x Zygosepalum.

> MORE TO THE POINT how many Changara or Mauriceana are registered. If it is
> only one of each, is this not ''Egging the pudding''

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Anybody know how to grow Psychopsis krameriana (mariposa)?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

You know they need a lot of light, of course. They don't seem to like being
watered either.

An old friend,( perhaps known to some here ? Dr. Agar ) now departed, grew
a big plant which had over a dozen flower spikes on it ; he kept it hanging
up with his Vandas ( which he also grew well) and which were sprayed rather
than watered.

Geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Anybody know how to grow Psychopsis krameriana
(mariposa)?

> Hi all,

> Anyone know how to grow Psychopsis krameriana ( butterfly) orchids. It
> seems like I kill more than survive, that number is top secret it is way way
> to large for it to get out. It is the coolest looking flower but I am not
> having much luck. I would love to hear from someone on some tips of what to
> do or not to do....

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] stellis maybe? id help
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Have you thought of joining the International Peurothallid Alliance ?

If I lived where you do − with your plant possibilities -I'd being growing a
lot of them, but European dealers seem to sell bits and pieces of a very
small selection, only. And there are plenty of things which are rather more
freely available − and besides that, they are not plants which are happy to
be neglected whilst I am away for weeks at a time.

geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: [OrchidTalk] stellis maybe? id help

> Hi all,

> I was cleaning out a part of my green house and found this plant (see
> picts). I think it is a stellis? Any Pleurothalis alliance folks out
> there? I have a lot of Pleurothalis alliance plants that are still in the I
> have no Idea category, I'd like to make some contacts of some folks that
> could help me Id these.

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdys for Esther
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Hi all,

Thanks for your various comments on warm tolerant Masdevallias. As far as I know, Masdie growers in Singapore keep them in a temperature controlled enclosure. I considered keeping them in a wine chiller, but I never got round to setting that up.

cheers,
esther

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Hi Tony,

Hahaha...I just watered my plant before I photographed it. The flower only lasted slightly more than a day. Hopefully, one day I will get a better display with more flowers.

The cool house is nice − I get to see many plants that would not survive in our hot and humid climate. Will you be in Singapore for the Garden Festival?

regards,
esther

Tony Garthwaite wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower

> Dear Esther,
>
> No idea about the name but the photo reminds me of parts of the (so
> called) cool house in the Orchid Garden in Your Singapore Botanical
> Gardens. You know....where the water is pouring down half way along!
> It always makes we Northern Europeans smile as the temperature in there
> is slightly higher than we call 'hot' on a summers day!
> Joking apart, there are some rather fine specimens in there and most
> visitors miss many blooms as they are quite small like yours. I'll be
> walking through again next time I'm in Singapore!

http://get.live.com/photogallery/overview

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Geoff and Francis, thanks for your confirmations of the ID. I like it that is small − great for someone who lives in a flat :)

esther

Geoff Hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower

> As a bulbo' fan I checked Jay's site, and his flower pic looks spot on for
> your surmise; but you plant looks very different − maybe you are growing it
> that much better than the illustrated one, with all you lovely leaves !.
> It's one I haven't got, but the flower does not seduce me enough to put it
> on my list of wants.

http://www.get.live.com/wl/all

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Hi all,

Me again, Am I a pain or what? This plant was mislabeled, and it is simply a WOW plant, it is really gorgeous. I looked and looked on the net and in my 25 different books but I couldn't find anything close to it, maybe it isn't a dendrobium....?

Any Ideas, I want to get more of this plant.

Thanks as always.

Jim

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: stellis maybe? id help
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

On 01 Jul, in article ,
JIM MATEOSKY wrote:

> Any Pleurothalis alliance folks out there?

Well, for starters there's Alan, Dennis, Francis... :-)

--

Tricia

Do wizards use spell-checkers?

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Maybe wrong, but it looks like thyrsiflorum to me!

Francis

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Jim,
Looks like Dendrobium thyrsiflorum.
David

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] stellis maybe? id help
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

I am not a pleuro. expert but it looks very similar to my Pleurothalis restrepioides.
Regards Dennis

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Dendrobium. Yes. Section − densiflora ( used to be called callista) . Type
is D. Densiflorum. Others well known are thyrsiflorum , albiflorum,
farmeri, griffithianum etc.

If the lip is slightly hairy over the whole surface I'd go for the latter
(griffithianum). If more glabrous, then the penultimate (farmeri). The
colour − assuming your pic is good − is wrong for the first mentioned.

But there are certainly others in the section, perhaps unknown to me − or
forgotten ! Its a long, long time since I used to unpack boxes of jungle
collected dendrobes from India and points east.

geoff

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: photos
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

These are some of what is pleasing me at the moment in the orchid house:

Dendrobium thyrsiflorum. I have written before about how I get this one to
flower − chilling it in the autumn etc. However last year I forgot about it
and this is what has happened anyway. Nowhere near any shows of course. If
I knew beforehand how short lived the flowers were I probably would not have
bought it but I am glad I did.

Den Frosty Dawn I love these Formosa section (is it?) dens and this one is
such a good doer. 30something flowers and it will go on and on...

Den scabrilingue I have been trying to grow this for some time and it is
finally taking off. Small flowers -2cms − and with an exquisite perfume.

Den wattii This is a first flowering for me. I really like it flowers not
too large, about 5 or 6 cms across.

Pleuro grobyi On the very tiny end of the scale, flowers only a few mms
long. One of those you need a hand lens for but rather fine.

Andy

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From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Is this the same plant? Dendrobium aggragatum.
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta

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From: Martina Larsson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Hi Jim!

It looks a lot like a Dendrobium farmeri to me. :o) It's absolutley
gorgeous! I'm not sure if it's a farmeri but it is definetly a Dendrobium!

// Martina

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From: Martina Larsson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

I forgot the link. Here it is:
http://www.orchidspecies.com/dendrobiumfarmerii.htm

It looks a bit like it...

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] stellis maybe? id help
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Thanks, Can you recomend any good web sites or books, as I have a bunch of who knows what minitures that I spend a lot of time trying to figure out there names...

Thanks,

Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: cymbidiums − "how do they work?"
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Hi all,

Cymbidiums, I have a bunch and the old bulbs seem to die off and look ugly, the all have new growth, the roots are nice, is this normal?

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] photos
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Great stuff Andy − keep it up . Show us what good orchids look like !.

geoff

Andy wrote re: [OrchidTalk] photos

> These are some of what is pleasing me at the moment in the orchid house:

[Snip]

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008

Dendrobium densiflorum

Peter from Bloubergstrand

JIM MATEOSKY wrote re: [OrchidTalk] dendrobium which?

> Hi all,

> Me again, Am I a pain or what? This plant was mislabeled, and it
> is simply a WOW plant, it is really gorgeous. I looked and looked
> on the net and in my 25 different books but I couldn't find
> anything close to it, maybe it isn't a dendrobium....?

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Three in flower.
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Hi all,

No. 1. Is of my plant of what I call an 'Aussie Dendrobe' It is Dendrobium Colonial Stardust. And here is a question for serious camera buffs. Has the fact that I never seem to get a first class shot of this flower something to do with the different coloration/contrast??? My good friend who taught me much about photography did tell me that sometimes the camera can be fooled, and he preferred a grey background to black because he said that grey was a neutral colour and that black did fool the light meter to some extent.

Nos. 12 and 16 are of two of my Garden Centre cheap buys.

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] cymbidiums − "how do they work?"
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Jim, number one, the plants you have dont like the mix they are in. I'd say if you pull them out of the pot most of the roots will be rotten. The only good roots will be on the new growths. The moss growing around the plants indicate a major pH problem as well.
I suggest that a complete repot into a good fresh mix and removal of the dead husks from the bulbs will help a lot. The new growths are basically growing from the reserves in the old bulbs plus whatever the new roots can gather. If the pH is wrong as I think, any food you give the plant will not be available to the plant, they are effectively locked out.

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From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] [OrchidTalk] Three in flower.
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Rocky,

I have had trouble getting good focus shots of red flowers. I was told
that that this was due to the red absorbing the light emitted from the
camera to set the focus, and not enough light reflecting for the camera
to make a good adjustment. The suggestion was to hold a white card
directly in front of the flower to get the camera reading, half
depressing the camera shutter button, removing the card and finishing
the picture. This is not a problem if you are an octopus with
sufficient arms to hold everything. By having the camera on a tripod,
this method did work for closeups shots, but not for anything out of arm
reach.

Another method which has also done quite well for me has been to set the
aperature reading as high as possible for the maximum depth of focus.
Or, have a slow shutter speed, which may give a high aperature setting.
With automatic cameras, especially the small point and shoot, a slow
shutter speed just changes the ISO, film speed, rather than the aperature.

I hope this helps.

John R

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: 1. What am I doing wrong with my Thunia 2. The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Pic 1 is my Thunia Bensoniae- one of the few hybrids in the genus.
Incidentally I tried to look up the parentage on my new Wildcatt ( all
hybrids up to March 2008) but can't find Thunia . It hasn't had its name
changed has it ?

Now, what is wrong with my cu;lture − or how should it be grown ? The point
is that, nice though it is , it never gets any bigger. It has been this good
for years and years. I used to grow Thunias donkey's years ago , and when
well grown they gave 2 growths the following year − so much so that I used
to take spare plants to Mansell's and strade them for something different.
Can't do that now.

Any suggestions ?

Pic 2 is Coelogyne lawrenceae. When taking close ups, I kept seeing
something green and spherical winking at me . Eventually I discovered that
was a dead beetle − about 1 cm long.It was the iridescent wing cases of the
beetle, reflecting light . I took a close-up after examining it through a
hand lens, and attach a picture. It was in the lip, towards the pollinia as
though it was attempting to feed − but it looks as though it is wrapped in a
spiders web ? The flowers have been open a few days only, and if I'm right
, in that space of time an opportunistic spider has spun a web, and caught a
beetle ! ( Couldn't find any trace of spider or web...)

Any entomologists out there ?

Comments ?

geoff

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: musk orchid
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

Hi All, today i spent a day on noar hill near selborne, it was unbeleivable the amount of musk orchids and frog orchids at this site, you would not beleive that the musk orchid is now ranked as nationally scarce if you went to this site;there are hundreds!Not one of the prettiest or most impressive to look at,but still part of are national flora; the same could be said of the frog orchid;not quite as uncommon as the musk but just as fascinating.Here are a couple photo's for your pleasure!Happy growing!Gavin

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From: MARK GRIFFITHS
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 1. What am I doing wrong with my Thunia 2. The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

It's a green bottle fly. Like a blue bottle but smaller more attractive but with equally disgusting life cycle. Adults often go to flowers. Mark

geoff hands wrote re: ...The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.

[Snip]

> Pic 2 is Coelogyne lawrenceae. When taking close ups, I kept seeing
> something green and spherical winking at me . Eventually I
> discovered that was a dead beetle # about 1 cm long.It was the
> iridescent wing cases of the beetle, reflecting light .# I took a
> close-up after examining it through a hand lens, #and attach a
> picture. It was in the lip, towards the pollinia as though it was
> attempting to feed # but it looks as though it is wrapped in a
> spiders web ?# The flowers have been open a few days only, #and if
> I#m right , in that space of time an opportunistic spider has spun
> a web, and caught a beetle ! ( Couldn#t find any trace of spider or
> web...)# #
> Any entomologists out there ?
> #
> Comments ?

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 1. What am I doing wrong with my Thunia 2. The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008

My blog has a Coelogyne pandurata on June 30. Take a look: http://togofcoralgables.blogspot.com/
It bloomed late in March an a cold snap killed the flowers that had just started to open. Strangely it put up a spike in June.
Your Thunia hybrid is the first time that I have seen a Thunia worth growing.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 1. What am I doing wrong with my Thunia 2. The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008

Thanks for that ; one step forward.

But how about the spiders web # if that is what it is ?

geoff

MARK GRIFFITHS wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] ...The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.

> It's a green bottle fly. Like a blue bottle but smaller more attractive but with equally disgusting life cycle. Adults often go to flowers. Mark

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 1. What am I doing wrong with my Thunia 2. The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008

Nice Coelogyne, Jordan − pity they are so big ( distance between new
growths) I know that by the time I am up to 3 or 4 leads my C.lawrenceae
will be in a 12 inch pan, and needing a space half a metre x half a metre,
and for 11 months of the year I shall be wondering if it is worth keeping .

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] [OrchidTalk] Three in flower.
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008

Hi John,

Thanks for your input. As you say, it is not so easy with the small automatic cameras. I am going to buy myself.................................steady everyone, not a SLR Digital camera, but a couple of grey cards to use as backing sheets. Different types of grey to just see what they produce.

I will post some photos later this week, after first checking my bank account.

Regards, Rocky 'Jock' Grier......great, great, great grandson of Rob Roy.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wildcatt
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008

Geoff, I have been trying to update my Wildcatt but I keep getting advised that it's licence has been withdrawn. Which web site did you use?
Regards Dennis

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Photography
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008

The difficulty in photography of small things, close-up ( and even a
complete large orchid is small, as compared to taking a picture of
Buckingham Palace, or the Malvern Hills ! )is "depth of field" − meaning
that if you get one part of the picture sharp, other parts will be out of
focus. Some improvement can be made using small apertures stops, but even
with a very sophisticated and expensive camera lens, there is a limit here ,
and arguably, above a certain point ( about f22 , at least with one
particular Sigma macro lens − according to Sigma ) there is a loss elsewhere
for reasons too complex to be explained here. And anyway, small stops mean
long exposure, and that can bring about loss of quality either with film or
digital for further different complex reasons.

So here is a way out.

I take a series of pictures of the same subject , with the camera on a
tripod and using a remote release , with the camera controls all set to
manual ( auto-focus, auto-exposure, both disabled ). The first in the series
focuses on the point nearest to the camera, the second focuses on a point a
bit further away, and so on until the last in the series is focussing on the
furthest point ( of interest) in the picture. Then I marry them with
software , which selects the sharpest bit from each and combines all into a
single image. It's a bit more complex than that, involving tone-mapping to
get the right effect , but who cares, the computer does all the tricky stuff
- although I get to fine tune the parameters here and there.

In this case I took 7 pictures, and incidentally, all at f2.8 !

The first − left hand file in the list , shows the finished picture.

The second picture shows the first of these 7 images, when I focused on the
rear part of the rear flower, getting it as sharp as possible although the
front flower was out of focus ( "o.o.f")

The third picture was the last of the seven when I focused on the front
flower, front part again getting it as sharp as possible although now the
rear flower is o.o.f The other five were taken , shifting the focus point
in stages from the front flower to the rear one.

This should really come into it's own when I get to take a really small
flower, as the problem gets worse as the size goes down although I justified
the expense to myself ( of the software) because I will use it for
photomicrography − the problem is even more acute there because the size
has gone down a few more stages.

Geoff

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From: Laura Peppiatt
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008

Geoff,

I am stunned.
Complete picture is so beautiful and your advice on the technique is
invaluable. Which software and camera do you use?

Regards,
Laura

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] [OrchidTalk] Three in flower.
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008

Hi Rocky,
What is wrong with a SLR Digital camera?????????????????

Instead of grey cards, try to get a piece of medium to dark grey flannel.
I'm using black flannel and I'm happy with it. It absorbs the light and
gives a good contrast. You can use any other grey cloth, as long as it is
not shiny. It must be dull to absorb the light.
Just a point to consider.
Regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

Roger Grier wrote Re: [?? Probable Spam] [OrchidTalk] Three in flower.

> Hi John,

> Thanks for your input. As you say, it is not so easy with the
> small automatic cameras. I am going to buy
> myself.................................steady everyone, not a SLR
> Digital camera, but a couple of grey cards to use as backing
> sheets. Different types of grey to just see what they produce.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: U.K. Wild Orchids
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008

Hi all, especially Helleborine fans.

The Isle of Wight Helleborine, also known as, Epipactis Vectensis.

First photo shows the habitat. I counted eight hiding in there.

Second photo shows why they are difficult to find, which often helps as they are then not seen by those who do not respect them.

One further matter. They are often seen in bud and the onlooker will think that in another week the flowers will open. Completely wrong.....it could be weeks yet.

When they are in flower, I will hopefully take some very good close ups.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 1. What am I doing wrong with my Thunia 2. The curious case of the iridescent green beetle.
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008

Geoff, Just got round to looking for Thunia bensoneae. This is a species and was awarded back in the 1890 s. Dennis

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From: jeff parkes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008

Geoff
Are you using Helicon Focus software for that image manipulation?
Combine Z is another similar programme and is FREE... They are both rather time consuming and
it is of course easy to stop right down and then just move up the ISO sensitivity to reduce exposure time . Sensors are improving rapidly and an iso of 6400 is common with boosts up to 25,600. A lot of course also depends on the lens you use. I prefer a long focal length macro ( eg 105mm) which gives you room to get in some additional lighting and so more opportunity to stop right down.
Jeff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008

Helicon Focus , yes. That's what I am using. But increasing sensitivity
reduces quality , I am interested in exhibition prints.

Actually I find no loss up to 800 ISO with my current Nikon, but the 3200
max generates a lot of noise which is fine if it is street photography,
especially monochrome , the gritty look helps .

I see that the new Nikon D700 does go up to 25000 ISO ,and will be better
because of the large sensor FX not DX), but the price tag − £2000 for the
body only puts it out of my league. They will come down of course, but not
yet. Where will they stop I wonder ?

My pics were taken with the 150mm Sigma macro, btw.

geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008

Geoff, Thanks for your ideas. What programme do you use for editing.
My C. lawrenceana is a yellowy brown coloured flower as on most internet pictures. Yours is more like C. pandyrata or a hybrid using it. Perhaps you have been caught by the Coelogyne mis-naming bug.
Dennis

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] [OrchidTalk] Three in flower.
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008

Good morning Peter,

You asked, what is wrong with a SLR Digital camera. Nothing my friend, but as I have two old 35mm SLR's and my very nice little digital camera, I am not going to pay out for something that I do not require.

Your reference to the dull material to absorb the light against a shiny material is of course absolutely correct. If only some people who get behind a lens would just have a little think from time to time.

When I think back to the very interesting years spent with three or four of my good friend taking slides of our Wild Orchids, I always remember the tips etc that we were told and picked up.

As I have said before, when you have been laying full length for quite some minutes with thorns under your knees, a piece of grass poking up your nose and an annoying wind.....to name just a few of the items that we had to put up with.....you begin to realise what a wonderful hobby it is. !!!!! Sure it is.....we had such fun.

I'm sure you have some great moments to tell.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008

I decided to drop the plant into a larger pot , and a label emerged as I did
so − the name I gave was an imperfect (?) one from memory. The label clearly
says C. Pan.... the rest being too faint to read, so pandurata indeed. I
used to grow a hybrid C.Burfordensis ? which I understood to be pandurata x
lawrenceae, but it was in fact − again my memory (?) very similar tow what I
have shown. I shall retreat to the bard − a rose by any other name...

I use Photoshop CS3 for my normal editing , but the merging I talked about
is a special programme called Helicon Focus. In practical terms, varying the
focus of a lens over a 4 inch difference is almost impossible using the
normal focussing movement of the lens − for example I turn the whole lens
through half a revolution in going from 1ft distance to infinity. So what I
do is mount the camera on a focussing stage which can be advanced a distance
of about 6 inches in 4 complete turns of the focussing knob, and I have
fixed a cocktail stick to the knob, and made a scale ( actually a CD disc)
surrounding the spindle with its rim graduated at regular intervals so that
as I move the knob, the pointer ( the cocktail stick) moves around the
scale. This enables me to get tiny regular movements of the whole camera
towards the flowers − hence giving me focussing adjustments equivalent to
half an inch at a time ( in this case).

I hope this explanation is clear !

geoff

Dennis Read wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography

> Geoff, Thanks for youp ideas. What programme do you use for editing.

> My C. lawrenceana is a yellowy brown coloured flower as on most internet
> pictures. Yours is more like C. pandyrata or a hybrid using it. Perhaps you
> have been caught by the Coelogyne mis-naming bug.

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From: jeff parkes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008

My Nikon d300 gives hardly any noise at 6400 and correctable using software and the d3 is even better of course.One of the problems with CombineZ and Helicon is making sure that the object to photograph does not move ( difficult outdoors) . . Others report a lot of edginess and I see that on your combined image. I presume that you then remove this
Jeff

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Photography

> Helicon Focus − yes. That's what I am using. But increasing
> sensitivity reduces quality − I am interested in exhibition prints.

> Actually I find no loss up to 800 ISO with my current Nikon, but
> the 3200 max generates a lot of noise which is fine if it is street
> photography, especially monochrome − the gritty look helps .

[Snip]

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From: Bill Haldane
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A Beautiful Anguloa Hybrid
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

Dear All,
I could not resist sending you the attached photos just taken of Anguloa Virginalis x Clowesii x A. Rolfeii x Clowesii.The plant was purchased from Dick Hartley at the Newbury Show three years ago and is a first flowering for me.
The photo background is a black velvet sheet draped over a chair.
Regards Bill Haldane
You have been sent 2 pictures.

P1010003.JPG
P1010001.JPG

These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google.
Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

I did not do any fine tuning at all on the image I showed ( using
Helicon).

As to Noise , my current main camera is also a D300.

Image problems also depend on lens , of course , maybe not for noise, but
certainly for other matters. I have one fairly recent Nikkor which is really
a pain for chromatic aberration , to make a decent exhibition A3 print I
have to spend hours going around shapes, at 700% enlargement , and painting
out the colour strips, even after using CS3 lens correction filter. Those
working at less exacting standards will not notice it. Anyone interested in
buying a 12-24mm zoom Nikkor at say only ½ list price, hardly used ... ?

Geoff

jeff parkes wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Photography

> My Nikon d300 gives hardly any noise at 6400 and correctable using
> software and the d3 is even better of course.One of the problems with
> CombineZ and Helicon is making sure that the object to photograph does not
> move ( difficult outdoors) . . Others report a lot of edginess and I see
> that on your combined image. I presume that you then remove this

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: A Beautiful Anguloa Hybrid
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

Its like a lot of little birds in a nest with their beaks open waiting for
worms...but very prett6y too !

Geoff

Bill Haldane wrote re: A Beautiful Anguloa Hybrid

Dear All,

> I could not resist sending you the attached photos just taken of Anguloa
> Virginalis x Clowesii x A. Rolfeii x Clowesii.The plant was purchased from
> Dick Hartley at the Newbury Show three years ago and is a first flowering
> for me.

> The photo background is a black velvet sheet draped over a chair.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: A Beautiful Anguloa Hybrid
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

What a superb orchid Bill you must be delighted with it. I miss the Newbury Show very much as I bought some wonderful orchids there over the years. Petersborough is just a step too far for me unfortunately- regards − Jean

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From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: A Beautiful Anguloa Hybrid
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

Bill, your plant is just lovely.
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: 001, Phalaenopsis corningiana (2), Schoenorchis fragrans, Phalaenopsis inscriptiosinensis (2)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

Hello All
Here are three plants in flower this week. Two of my Phal species and a
tiny Schoenorchis , small enough for a button hole.
David

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Marsh Helleborine
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

Hi all,

Yesterday, I got a phone call from our mutual friend Gavin and he 'enticed' me out to go look for some Marsh Helleborines. We got to a very nice site at 'Tiptoe' in the New Forest where orchids grew in abundance. If my memory is still fairly good, here are the different types that can be found at this site.

Heath Spotted / Marsh Helleborine / Lesser Butterfly / Heath Fragrant / Probably Earl Marsh. Not bad eh !

At least it was a clear blue sky for most of our visit, but the wind was at gale force, so photography was almost out of the question.

However, we did manage to get a few respectable shots, and I suspect that Gavin's camera did better than mine.

I guess we were both pleased with our results, especially as the wind was so troublesome, and standing in a bog with the surrounding area quaking under our feet is not the most encouraging when you are crouching down under aching limbs !!!!!

At least Gavin is lucky.........he didn't quite loose a boot !!!!

This Marsh Helleborine sure is a beautiful flower with many talking points, but before I get carried away, I will wait until I can get some very up close shots.

You can see that the flower is quite large. The ovary is also large.....thinning down to almost nothing where it joins the main stem. So just a puff of wind starts the whole flower moving about.

The joys of photography out in the field.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bill's Anguloa.
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

Hi Bill,

Superb plant, and I know that you will be highly chuffed, especially after waiting three years.....well done mate.

When are you going to send some decent weather this way ???

Could not resist this, as the weather has put a dampener on most things, but you wrote:

The photo background is a black velvet sheet draped over a chair.

What kind of chair ?

Cheers Bill, Rodge.

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: A Beautiful Anguloa Hybrid
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008

Very attractive flowers Bill. I havent seen many anguloa and never such a
good pink one.
Regards, Alex

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: A Beautiful Anguloa Hybrid
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

As we say up here#a "bonnie floorie"
Gordon.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: 001, Phalaenopsis corningiana (2), Schoenorchis fragrans, Phalaenopsis inscriptiosinensis (2)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

David what beautiful orchids especially the Schoenorchis! Anything that
small receives the kiss of death in my greenhouse I'm afraid − it's the
humidity and watring I find a problem with small orchids but this is a
beauty. − regards − Jean

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bill's Anguloa.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Roger,
I am intrigued, Why do you want to know the kind of chair. Would it matter whether it was a deck chair, an arm chair, a dining chair or even a pushchair.
Ronbow.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The ( or strictly an) anomalous Laelia − but now an Encyclia.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

I first saw this species decorating the verandah outside a bar at the side
of the Pan-American Highway, in Costa Rica when on a holiday tour of that
country many years ago.

In my poor Spanish , and with their complete absence of English, I got as
far as learning that the plants had been collected from the "bosque"
woods/forest − with much pointing up towards the mountain ridge behind the
bar − which is the Continental divide . I think we were at that point on the
Pacific side. I was dragged away by Joyce worried that the bus would go
without us − we were on our way to a resort called Tamarind beach as I
recall things − it is probably 20 years ago.

I could not place the plant at all. The flowers like some very superior
Barkeria perhaps − and central America suggests Laeliniae (or Oncidiniae)
anyway − but 3-4 inch flowers, on 3 foot stems, coming from small
pseudobulbs less than the size of a plum ?

That far back we did not know anything about Encyclias . If you had asked
even a species specialist nursery ( of which there were a few about in UK)
for Encyclias, you would have heard that they were boring little botanicals,
impossible to grow, and also impossible to get . The ones we saw fairly
frequently . e.g. E.vitellinum , were still called Epidendrums, and the
hard-bulbed ones like cordigera were quite unknown.

When Carl Withner started to produce his great series of books "The
Cattleyas and their Relatives" there seemed to be a lot of plants I wanted
to grow but I had to ask a central American dealer to bring my first
E.cordigera for me as a special order, when he came to one of the major
shows expecting to sell his cattleya hybrids − he was surprised to be asked
for orchid species other than perhaps, cattleyas.

Eventually I sent some pictures to Jack Wubben who identified it as Laelia
nemorosa − as it was then called. There were I think three species of
laelias (sic) found in central America all a few thousand miles away from
all the other Laelias, with nothing in between. And whilst the flowers may
look a bit laelia-ish, the plants do not − nothing like the usual cattleya
cane/bulb. That's why they were called the anomalous laelias − they just
didn't fit. When I started to learn about Encyclias, those with hard shiny
often fig-shaped bulbs , it made a lot of sense that the name should be
changed to. E nemorosa

Of course I looked for plants of this species, and bought on a few
occasions, but never got a good one or did very well, until this plant and
now. This is my first flowering. I'm very pleased with it. 20 year's I've
waited....

Culture for all these hard bulbed Encyclias (in UK) is water when you see
the new growth and keep on watering until the bulb is made up , then hang it
up and resist temptation to water it at all − and then after a few months
you will see the spike − if the plants is big enough. It has taken me three
years − getting better bulbs each year − to get this far, but now the most
recent bulb carries the flowers ( from the tip of the bulb like most
cattleyas) and the previous year's bulb has produced a growth − so maybe I
am also up to two leads now.

Shall be interested to read Jim's comments on this ?

Enjoy

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: p.s re Encyclia nemorosa
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Whilst I have been sitting here in my study , waiting for another rainstorm
to go away so that I can take the plant back to the greenhouse, I have
become aware of a light delicious perfume stealing across me − it's from
this Laelia/Encyclia...

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: David's Shoenorchis.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi David,

Splendid plant, and so well grown. I have often wondered why this orchid has such seemingly ruffled roots. Not the smooth type of root that we expect to see.

Can I please ask for a closer shot of the plant, as I would like to see the flowers up close.....and is that another flower spike that I see ???

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Images.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi to all of you,

When I look at the website of Jacky Orchids of Belgium and I open their 'Catalogue' there is a small image of a camera which, if clicked, should let me see a photo of the plant, but no go.....just an error message.

Can any of you please try their website orchidjacky.be and see if you have the same problem.

It would seem that I may have to download something named 'VHCS'.

Any help would be much appreciated as they are a cracking good nursery, and I want to buy some plants from them.

Many thanks, Rocky.

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From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Images.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi Rocky,
I get the same error message. Sorry.
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta

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From: Tony Garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Images.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Same problem!
Also, in their 'Gallery' you can bring up a picture of the first picture
you 'click' on but subsequently, there is an error!

Tony G.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Images.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Some of the links work − e.g. Angraecum eburneum and A. Elephantinum ( which
I grow and have in flower now, label led A.didieri.)

I guess they put the icon against every entry with the intention of adding a
piccy when they get round to it.

You will need to give permission to ActionControl and have it installed on
your computer − it is rather a bore, but it is a security thing !.

geoff

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From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] [OrchidTalk] Images.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Rocky,

I cannot see any pictures either. I get an error message 404. This
indicates a communication error on their server. I suspect they have
either moved the directory containing the images or have coding error on
their web page. I really don't think you need to download anything.
This is their problem.

John R

Roger Grier wrote:

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From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] [OrchidTalk]The ( or strictly an) anomalous Laelia − but now an Encyclia.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi Geoff,

I have had a plant very much like yours several times, the first time an
alba form with an absolutely delightful fragrance. Unfortunately, it
eventually went to orchid heaven. I will try to find the old picture and
scan it, but the pseudobulbs and the inflorescence from the top of the
pseudobulb were exactly as in your photo.

I almost forgot to mention the name I had it under was Epidendrum
nemorale, changed to Encyclia nemorale, and I believe it was most
recently as a synonym of Encyclia adenocaula.

I hope this helps.

John R

geoff hands wrote:
>
> I first saw this species decorating the verandah outside a bar at the
> side of the Pan-American Highway, in Costa Rica when on a holiday tour
> of that country many years ago.

[Snip]

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] David's Shoenorchis.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hello Rodge,
I will try tomorrow if I don't get taken shopping!!!! It's too wet at the moment, thunder and rain coming down like stair rods.
By the way, I put my black cloth on top of the wheely bin. Do you mind which one, dark green or light green??????? Ha Ha.
David

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] David's Shoenorchis.

> Hi David,

> Splendid plant, and so well grown. I have often wondered why this
> orchid has such seemingly ruffled roots. Not the smooth type of
> root that we expect to see.

> Can I please ask for a closer shot of the plant, as I would like to
> see the flowers up close.....and is that another flower spike that
> I see ???

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Schoenorchis fragrans, 002 (2), 003, 004
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi Rodge,
These pictures look better. Can't get them any bigger because the
flowers are only 2mm across. It's two growths, one in front of the
other, and that is another spike, as you can now see. The roots attached
to the bark are smooth unlike the ones waving about in fresh air.
David

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: BOGA Fantastic Summer Orchid Fayre.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi all,

In front of me I have the A4 size poster for the BOGA Orchid Fayre at Dinton Pastures on August 23/24.

I took note of one item: A full list of exhibitors will be available from 1st July on this web site.

So where the hell is the list ?????

It took a hell of a lot of moaning to be able to see 'The List' from the RHS reference the Spring Show earlier this year, so I thought that the BOGA List would be there for all to see.

Am I complaining....you're bloody right I am. If I was not on the ball when I was at work.....I would soon hear about it.

There are enough mistakes and rubbish items in BOGA's 'Yellow Book', so if anyone is out there, do try and get on the ball.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phalaenopsis corningiana.
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi David,

I must say that your Phalaenopsis corningiana is one of the nicest patterned types that I have seen.

What always intrigues me is the bristles on the lip. Mother Nature sure has some bizarre and fascinating lures for the pollinating insects, but this one sure is wonderful.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: marsh helloborines all over the place
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008

Hi all, yes Rocky is correct we did have a smashing time looking at the helloborines at Tiptoe in the New Forest; though it was boggy!'thanks Rocky'.Well here is a site i visited today where no boots of any description are required to see the wonderful marsh helloborine.Today i went to 'Morgans Hill' at Devizes to see the frog orchids; and to my astonishment it was absolutely plastered in marsh helloborine's.Now what you need to understand is this is a dry chalk grassland, and the actual position of the orchids is over a old quarry! So Marsh helloborine seems a odd name; though it is known in grassland;but only on very few sites.So if you want to experience a wonder of the helloborine world go soon and see this site! i estimate there are hundreds and hundreds possibly thousands.Ive posted a few piccy's for you but this by no means shows the true amount of flowers,enjoy!Happy growing!Gavinp.s. if you look in a flower at the top in the photo you can see a Ant which is one of the known pollinators of the marsh helloborine.Roger, i look forward to our next safari!

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