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January 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 February 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-29
March 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 April 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30
May 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 June 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30
July 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 August 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31
September 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30 October 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31
November 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30 December 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31

June 22—30

From: Marina et Jean Michel Dufermon
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium muricatum
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Hello
I think this orchid is preparing his next blossom. I'll send picture when
she'll be ready :o). Mine is growing on fern tree in the green house. Here
it's the winter season (fresh :o) ). Most of my orchids are on the cool
period.
I wish you a good weekend all around the world
jm

Cordialement Marina et Jean Michel
Yours faithfully
BP:3859 98846 Nouméa Nouvelle Calédonie
PO Box: 3859 98846 Noumea New Caledonia

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium muricatum
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Norma,
I meant, look at the book, not buy it!!
David

N & T Burgess wrote:

> Allan
> Attached are cultural instructions from a book called Dendrobium
> and its relatives by Bill Lavarak, Wayne Harris & Geoff Stocker -
> not nearly as expensive as Davids £25 or less − it will need to be
> enlarged.

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium muricatum
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Thanks Norma. Seems a good book to have!

--

Boss

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: New Forest hybrid.
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Hi all,

Saw this hybrid Dactytlorhiza yesterday and noticed the very wide lip. Would not mind a few of these growing in my garden. And then I saw the little insect, [gnat] stuck up against the stigmatic surface.

It is surprising how many insects land on the flowers for some 'food' and get stuck, hard and fast. They are not strong enough to escape and fly away.

End of story ????? No, not at all.

A large fly, we call it a 'Horse Fly' actually lands on the flower and eats parts of the tiny insect..........and it is this fly that gets the pollinia stuck to its head, that then flies away to pollinate another flower.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dedication.
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Mornin' to you all,

Went out yesterday searching for Wild Orchids in my native New Forest in the south west corner of Hampshire.

Had a very good day, especially as my friend found the Bog Orchid, and it was a first for him.

You've got to either dedicated or completely insane to be carefully treading around a bog looking for something with a stem as thick as one or two MILLIMETRES in diameter and height of about three to four CENTIMETRES.

We were a bit early, but at least we know where to find them in some days time.

Image number 21 show the location. Just look at the centre of the image and find the leaf with the brown end.

Next photo.....find the leaf again, and to its left.....three Bog Orchids with just a couple of flowers just about open.

Kind regards.......totally crazy, Rocky !!!

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium muricatum
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Hello Marina and Jean Michel in New Caledonia. Thank you for your interest.
I would be grateful for more information such as:
(a) the best temperatures that it will thrive at i.e.degrees Centigrade
(b) what range of humidity does it like
(c) what medium does it prefer to grow in
(d) does it like shade-if so dappled or full
(e) what watering does it prefer in terms of frequency

Best wishes and thanks again for your help.

--

Boss

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Weather New Caledonia
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Alan
The weather conditions for Noumea, New Caledonia
Today Max 27C Min 16C Cloudy
Mon 23 14 Full Sun
Tue 22 14 Cloudy
Wed 25 16 Cloudy
Thur 26 14 Full Sun
David

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] moss poles − hollow and/or solid (what day is it?)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

delspyes

John,
I do not know about the others, but for me your message was stamped
"June 5, 2008
the past, right? : )

Orchidologically, here is a photo of a recent bloomer, Stanhopea Emily
Bush. Very fragrant, and large. Dick Hartley did well with breeding
this one!

Paul

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Weather New Caledonia
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Alan, It's put in all the backspaces!! Today Max 27C min 16C Mon 23C 14C Tue 22C 14C Wed 25C 16C Thur 26C 14C It's also mid winter.
David

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Is anyone keen on masdevallias? mine are coming along and this one is the
best I have ever had. Experts say the watchwords for masds are 'cool, wet
and windy' and thats just what we have had in cheshire so thats maybe why.
Regards, Alex

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: 009, 028, 011, 002 (2), 001, 003
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008

Hello everyone,
Here are a few of my recent flowerings 001 Phal mannii 002 Phal chibae
003 Phal maculata
009 Dendrobium chrysotoxum 011 Phal parishii 028 Phal celebensis
David

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From: Marina et Jean Michel Dufermon
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Weather New Caledonia
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Hello everybody

> Alan
> The weather conditions for Noumea, New Caledonia
I'll send you a scan of this dendrobium. It's a part à the book named
:"Indigeous orchid of NC"
THere's a part written in english :o)).

About the weather: The temp found on the web are good for Nouméa. On Nc
there are plenty of µ weather with t° dropping down during the winter.
T° dropping to 5°celcius in rain forest. Forest where you find this
epiphytic orchid.
Have a good day

jean michel

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Alex, that is lovely!! I'm really keen on them, but it's too hot here for me to grow Masdies, unfortunately.

cheers,
esther

Alex wrote:
> Is anyone keen on masdevallias? mine are coming along and this one is the
> best I have ever had. Experts say the watchwords for masds are 'cool, wet
> and windy' and thats just what we have had in cheshire so thats maybe why.

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From: rudolf günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Hello Alex,

Your Masd. coccinea is a real feast for the eyes. Not only the great red
colour of this species but also the high number of flowers and the plant is
so well grown − way to go.
Once I had a Masd. coccinea for an attempt but it failed and I lost the
plant alas as quickly as I bought it. :-(

Best regards from Germany, rudolf

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: 009, 028, 011, 002 (2), 001, 003
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

The grey and spotted leaf phal is new to me − I suppose it is chibae ?

I find these phal species quite interesting ; I have grown very few of them
indeed. Can anyone suggest sources in UK ?

geof

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] moss poles − hollow and/or solid (what day is it?) and hasn't this thread wandered a long way ....
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

I have heard stories about plants suddenly losing their scent ; I have taken
them with a pinch of salt !

Just consider the genetics etc. Goodness knows how many distinct and
separate plants, all with − presumably − the same genetic code, all having
the same mutation at the same time ? The odds I understand are 100,000:1
for each individual cell division to result in any mutation at all- and this
suggestion is that each and every example of the species has precisely the
same mutation, all at once....which makes it just as likely as the one about
the monkey typing the complete works of Shakespeare , just by chance hitting
keys at random.

But it would be different if an external event could cause one and the same
mutation in every plant , and even the cataclysmic events of geological time
are not suggested to have caused mutations − merely altered the environment
thus favouring/or the converse, different species in different ways.

Now if you had blamed it on JP , that would be different....

The posh expression, better than saying "that's a load of ******* ( insert
your own number of asterisks, or letters )" is, " I think the story is
apocryphal". That's my opinion.

Geoff

John W Stanley wrote:

> Incidentally, talking of scent and flowers; I was once told by the late Alan
> Gemmel (best known on our Gardners' question Time programme) that Mimulus
> lost its scent sometime in the ?50s. I've never been able to confirm his
> story but I remember (sic !) that as a youngster in the mid forties, I used
> to play with my wheel-less (war time) motor cars amongst the garden variety
> known as Monkey Musk. True to the story, the 'Monkey' flower is no longer
> called 'musk' and was without scent even before I lost smell. Can you with
> your infinite botanical experience, add anything to the yarn?

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Weather New Caledonia
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Interesting that my speculation about the temperature is supported by local
experience. Or even more so ! 5 deg C is a bit less than we think of for
"cool house" orchids in UK unless you are a masdevallia fan ( where all
temps have different meanings.)

Geoff

Marina et Jean Michel Dufermon wrote:

> Hello everybody

> About the weather: The temp found on the web are good for Nouméa. On Nc
> there are plenty of µ weather with t° dropping down during the winter.
> T° dropping to 5°celcius in rain forest. Forest where you find this
> epiphytic orchid.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

There are plenty of warm growers Esther − I have got, but can't immediately
find − a couple of slim large ( A4 or thereabouts) books which list "all" of
the species and give guidance in terms of C,I and W − which remember are
about 5 deg lower than the same terms used for pretty well all other orchids
; one I think is by the guy who runs that wonderful species nursery in
Indiana − USA (William something Rhodehamel or some similar name ? ) and
the other I think came from a specialist Society − all many years ago − I
had a greenhouse ( 12 x 10) devoted to them at one time, but lost a lot when
I moved house on the hottest day of the year some 20 years ago, and then
sold the rest to Mansell & Hatcher . If you are interested and can't trace
anything , I will have a dig around.

Geoff

Esther Koh wrote:

> Alex, that is lovely!! I'm really keen on them, but it's too hot here for me
> to grow Masdies, unfortunately.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

By the way I got a silver medal at the 1992 World Orchid Conference for a
Masd. Xanthina − very similar to coccinea − big flowers , plain yellow on
tall stems. My moment of glory !

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdevallias and serendipity
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

By an unusual coincidence, puttoing some books away, I found "A Masdevallia
Cultural Guide" by William Ames Rhodehamel" 2nd edition November 1993 -
there may be a later one. Has various Appendix' − one of which is " Warm
Growing and Easy Species" ( and another of which is "Cool Growing and
Difficult Species".

A good book for those of a suitable mind.

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Peterborough... ?
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Di9dn't anyone go ?

I have not read anything about it , and would be interested to hear.

Personally I was away in Belgium − I passed tantalisingly close to Akerne at
Antwerp ( where I stayed for a couple of nights − but I was on an art study
thing and couldn't get away from the group without causing ructions.

Geoff

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Thanks Rudolf, yes Esther, you are right, they like really cool conditions
especially the high Andes types.
Regards, Alex

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Masdevallias and serendipity
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

On 23 Jun, in article
,
geoff hands wrote:
> By an unusual coincidence, puttoing some books away, I found "A
> Masdevallia Cultural Guide" by William Ames Rhodehamel" 2nd
> edition November 1993 − there may be a later one. Has various
> Appendix' − one of which is " Warm Growing and Easy Species" ( and
> another of which is "Cool Growing and Difficult Species".

Been trying to find a copy for ages − seems they are out of print and
second-hand editions are not readily available.

--

Tricia

The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

I couldn't open Alex's Masdevallia picture, so please could someone
who did manage it send it to me, preferably in a different format?
Perhaps if it has gone through another system it might be OK here. I
tried sending it to www.zamzar.com for online conversion to TIFF
format but they found a problem with it.

Thanks,

--

Tricia

A day without sunshine is like... night.

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] moss poles − hollow and/or solid (what day is it?) and hasn't this thread wandered a long way ....
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Precisely Geoff!
But when, as an undergraduate (as I was in the 50s) and you hear such a
story from a professor of botany, and a geneticist to boot, that such an
inexplicable phenomenon occurred, you can't simply dismiss it!

Gemmel, I know, was mystified by the phenomenon but seemed convinced it had
happened.

Only later in my career did I try to follow it up. I had (and still do)
recall the powerful scent from 'Monkey Musk' my father grew and I can't
locate scented ones any more. An explanation other than a bucket of
fertilizer, must exist.

I go along with all your elegant logic and stats − that's why I'm so
mystified and wonder if there are others who have olfactory memory back to
the 40s. When we geriatrics have all popped our clogs the story will be
apocryphal. As for me, I remember the scent and it ain't there any more . .
or is it . . somewhere? Maybe the fashion for species grown in gardens has
changed?

Personally, I blame it on all that deodorant you you keep fizzing about the
place Geoff!
Cheers
John

"geoff hands" wrote:

>I have heard stories about plants suddenly losing their scent ; I
>have taken them with a pinch of salt !

[Snip]

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From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Hello Alex,
Your masdevallia is absolutely gorgeous. The color is just beautiful. Much
too hot here in southeastern Florida to grown them so thanks for sharing
your photos.
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta

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From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: dacty's
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Help!. advice please from those of you who grow British native orchids in the garden/pots.
I have grown a couple of batches of d.fuchii from seed and some are now ready for life outside of the jars, which should be accomplished before they become dormant again. Can anyone recommend a suitable media mix to plant them out into. What do you use for the adult ones? Seramis? sandy earth? what? The parents grow in the hedgrows near my home...would you recommend including some soil from near them. I don't have problems (well not many) with de-flasking epiphytes but I have little knowledge of the needs of British terrestrials when grown in 'captivity'.
By the way...if anyone is thinking of collecting ripe seed pods from the British natives please offer some to me. :)
many thanks.
Lynda

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paul's Stanhopea.
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Hi Paul,

You sure know how to make people envious.....that sure is a very nice flower.

I only have one Stanhopea, which I hope will bloom for me again this year.

What I especially like about your excellent photograph is this:

It clearly illustrates how the insect/bee/whatever slides down those beautiful white ivory slopes and at its exit has the pollinia fastened to it.

I wonder how many people can see the why it goes under the common name.....The Cuttlefish fish orchid.

Thanks for the photo Paul.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phal species
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008

Geoff,
Sorry if I have confused you, but the grey spotted leaf is Phal celebensis. No 028 I hoped the numbers would be understood
David

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paphiopedilum mix & source
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hi orchid gurrus!

Paphiopedilum mix what do you all use and why? I live in a moist (cloud forrest) location, so I usually need to "tweak" the mix so that it will dry out a little faster than normal, for instance I do not use sphagnum moss at all.

Any Ideas where I can by so paphs seedlings reasonably?

Bueans noches gurrus!

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

JPG to TIFF conversion is not a good idea − TIFF is not a good idea either
for images to be viewed on the web ( best for copies on disc to send to
publishers for fine art reproduction).

However , the obvious way of avoiding difficulties in opening pictures is to
send − and view − as html !

So, herewith -

Geoff

Tricia Garner wrote:

> I couldn't open Alex's Masdevallia picture, so please could someone
> who did manage it send it to me, preferably in a different format?
> Perhaps if it has gone through another system it might be OK here. I
> tried sending it to www.zamzar.com for online conversion to TIFF
> format but they found a problem with it.

> A day without sunshine is like... night.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Thanks Geoff. Your message came with four attachments; the ubiquitous
HTML file, one with the suffix .emz (never heard of it), one .png
(that I do know!) and one .mso, which also means nothing to me...
Fortunately the .png displays properly.

Yes, I do know that JPEG to TIFF is not a good idea, but ZamZar
offered either TIFF or BMP so I chose TIFF as the lesser of the two
evils. Given that every system I tried the file on said it wasn't a
true JPEG anyway I figured I had nothing to lose!

I have to disagree with your statement that sending and viewing as
HTML solves difficulties, especially if you are referring to
embedding images in the HTML file. It can be a pain for those of us
who use plain text for viewing and composing emails. If the images
are standard they shouldn't cause a problem in the first place :-)

--

Tricia

It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Tricia's request.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Mornin' Tricia,

I must admit that I did quite enjoy the banter about the strange times and dates that E-mails arrived, and the intriguing answers.

But when you just said: I couldn't open Alex's Masdevallia picture, so please could someone who did manage it send it to me, preferably in a different format?
Perhaps if it has gone through another system it might be OK here. I tried sending it to www.zamzar.com for online conversion to TIFF format but they found a problem with it.

Well now, that is a surprise as I thought that you could always open a .jpg file. Now I just can't believe what you have said.

Go on tell me that you can open it.........please.

Tongue in cheek, fingers crossed, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paph mix.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hello Jim,

For many years I failed with Paphs until I formulated my own mix which I now use all the time for my Paphs and they grow very well. It drains fast.

I guess you can easily get the same type of ingredients in Costa Rica.

It has three main ingredients: Vermiculite/Grit/A rough compost.

Vermiculite.....easy to obtain.
Grit.....about the size of a pea down to a match head.....something in that size.
Rough compost.....maybe some pieces of small bark mixed with some peat/whatever.

Give it a try, and I feel sure that you will be pleased.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Lynda's Wild Orchids.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Mornin' Linda,

So pleased to hear from a 'New Member', and doubly pleased to hear what you are doing.

You asked about including SOME soil from the hedgerow..........I would use ALL of it, but maybe do a little experimenting also, by using different proportions, but then you know what you are about, I have not grown from seed. That I leave to you, Gordon [Aberdeen] and Max [Australia].

Seed pods of our Native Orchids.....yes I can get some for you. You are third in the queue, ha, ha.

So how about giving me some of your details about where you are in the U.K.,and what you do and grow please, so that I can enter it on our Clubs spreadsheet.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hi,Alex.
A nice specimen of coccinea.I am glad to see that someone else is
interested in masdevallias. I posted some photographs of two unusual
masdevallias some weeks ago and had little response so I assumed that
no-one else grew them. The bulk of my collection are masdevallias (50),
restrepias (25) and pleurothallids (20).Most are species and grow
reasonably well in conditions which you quote.
Best wishes.

--

Boss

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Whatever − did you get to see the picture ? That's the question !

I could have attached a jpg, but since some folk can't read my jpg's, and
you said you wanted to see the pic sending the way I did seemed the logical
answer.

geoff

Tricia Garner wrote:

> Thanks Geoff. Your message came with four attachments; the ubiquitous
> HTML file, one with the suffix .emz (never heard of it), one .png
> (that I do know!) and one .mso, which also means nothing to me...
> Fortunately the .png displays properly.

[Snip]

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum mix & source
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

I don't use sphagnum very much, and not at all for paphs, which in general
want to be dryer than most other orchids, I think. My mix is coconut husk
chunks, cocout fibre, bark ( Douglas Fir bark) and grit/Perlite, plus some
aggro-foam pieces.

Buy paph seedlings cheap ? Not much chance I think. Many pods , if you are
thinking of modern hybrids ( multi-florals. Or novelties for example) have
seed counted in tiny numbers , by orchid standards, and germination is
unpredictable. For example , P.Papa Rohl , 3 ½ years from pollination to
flowering a whole flask full , from memory this is P sukhakali x
fairrieanum .

P.fairieanum , experience over several attempts , approx ten years from
pollination before the last seedling died off, never saw a flower ; and my
experiences are typical of the answers you'll get. Commercial breeders have
to make the easy ones pay for the difficult ones, and sell the difficult
ones for large bags of gold !

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phal species
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Thanks for that − I thought I knew celebensis − but didn't recognise the
flower shown as 28.

geoff.

David Martin wrote:

> Geoff,

> Sorry if I have confused you, but the grey spotted leaf is Phal celebensis.
> No 028 I hoped the numbers would be understood

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

PS to Tricia − when my message came back to me, it did not show any
accompanying files at all − just showed the picture ( and of course, my
pearls of wisdom words ).

I wonder what OS you use, and version ; also what do you use to view your
e-mails ?

geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

On 24 Jun, in article
,
geoff hands wrote:
> Whatever − did you get to see the picture ? That's the question !

> I could have attached a jpg, but since some folk can't read my
> jpg's, and you said you wanted to see the pic sending the way I
> did seemed the logical answer.

Yes, thank you Geoff. I did say the PNG displayed properly. I can
quite see your logic, but thought you might be interested in the
result.

--

Tricia

Torch: A case for holding dead batteries.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

On 24 Jun, in article
,
geoff hands wrote:
> PS to Tricia − when my message came back to me, it did not show
> any accompanying files at all − just showed the picture ( and of
> course, my pearls of wisdom words ).

> I wonder what OS you use, and version ; also what do you use to
> view your e-mails ?

Well, you did ask! I still use RISC OS, although I am currently using
VirtualRPC version 4.39 on an iMac as opposed to the native hardware
I had previously (which Alan is now using). The email client on the
RISC OS side is still Pluto, which has the mailing list server
facility. It always handles HTML files as attachments which are
(usually) easily viewed by double-clicking them and invoking a
browser. Provided there is nothing Microsoft-only in any of the
attachments, HTML or otherwise, they are perfectly viewable one way
or another.

I think Alex's JPEG contained embedded Microsoft specific information
which neither RISC OS nor Mac could understand, which could explain
why you had no problem with it. I did try several Mac programs in an
attempt to view it but all reported it corrupted, as did RISC OS. All
a matter of opinion, I guess!

No doubt the above comes under the heading of too much information :-)

--

Tricia

Why is "abbreviated" such a long word?

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Tricia's request.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

On 24 Jun, in article ,
Roger Grier wrote:
> Mornin' Tricia,

> I must admit that I did quite enjoy the banter about the strange
> times and dates that E-mails arrived, and the intriguing answers.

> But when you just said: I couldn't open Alex's Masdevallia picture,
> so please could someone who did manage it send it to me, preferably
> in a different format? Perhaps if it has gone through another
> system it might be OK here. I tried sending it to www.zamzar.com
> for online conversion to TIFF format but they found a problem with
> it.

> Well now, that is a surprise as I thought that you could always
> open a .jpg file. Now I just can't believe what you have said.

> Go on tell me that you can open it.........please.

> Tongue in cheek, fingers crossed, Rocky.

Still can't open the original, which I suspect contains additional
code not found in 'ordinary' JPEGs. All the graphical viewers I tried
reported the error 'Unsupported marker type 0x80'.

Several other people have sent versions of the picture, which I can
open (many thanks, all!) so it's sorted.

--

Tricia

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hi Alan,
I have been growing a few masdevallias for about a year now and as I am still very much a novice felt that I shouldn't# comment on what I thought were great plants. I#thought that there were growers more able to comment. From my point of view I would like to see as many photos of your plants that you can manage and would appreciate any advice you can give either direct or through the "chat"# Is it mainly the cool growers that you have?
Gordon.

Alan Garner wrote:

> Hi,Alex.
> A nice specimen of coccinea.I am glad to see that someone else is
> interested in masdevallias. I posted some photographs of two unusual
> masdevallias some weeks ago and had little response so I assumed that
> no-one else grew them. The bulk of my collection are masdevallias (50),
> restrepias (25) and pleurothallids (20).Most are species and grow
> reasonably well in conditions which you quote.

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From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Lynda's Wild Orchids.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hello Rocky,
Thankyou for your opinion, I think that I will have to experiment a bit......I have quite a few seedlings to 'play' with.
Third in the queue for pods is fine with me, thankyou. #& I think that you will find that I am already on your spreadsheet.
regards,
Lynda

Roger Grier wrote:

> Mornin' Linda, # So pleased to hear from a 'New Member', and doubly
> pleased to hear what you are doing. # You asked about including
> SOME soil from the hedgerow..........I would use#ALL of it, but
> maybe do a little experimenting also, by using different
> proportions, but then you know what you are about, I have not grown
> from seed.# That I leave to you, Gordon [Aberdeen] and Max
> [Australia]. # Seed pods of our Native Orchids.....yes I can get
> some for you.# You are third in the queue, ha, ha. # So how about
> giving me some of your details about where you are in the U.K.,and
> #what you do and grow please, so that I can enter it on our Clubs
> spreadsheet.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Humour.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hi Tricia,

I did read your posting with reference to why you could not open Alex's original file..........but I did not have any trouble whatsoever!!!

My computer is loaded with Microsoft XP. I use Outlook Express. Just like that; plain and simple.

Then I read your posting again and I see your problem.

I still use RISC OS. Whatever the hell that is.

VirtualRPC version 4.39 on an iMac Faster than Moped ?

The email client on the RISC OS side is still Pluto. Aha !!! There we are. That's your problem. PLUTO.....if you will use these bloody 'Micky Mouse' bits and pieces what else can you expect ???

Regards from a grinning Rocky.

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum mix & source
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

It's very confusing to beginners like myself when the people with all the
experience have conflicting reports of that experience. For example... some
say paphs like to be drier than other orchids, some say paphs like to never
dry out at all! I have no doubt that everyone is reporting their experience
accurately,so my conclusion has to be that either you all have different
paphs (paphs are just my current example of this confusing problem) or that
paphs are highly adaptable and therefore one can treat them in whatever
reasonable manner is convenient, and they'll do fine. Meanwhile, my very
healthy looking, almost constantly growing paph, housed in one version of
the recommended pot and compost, appears very 'content' with it's
situation,but does not bloom. I've heard it wants to be kept warmer and
brighter than a phal. I've also heard it wants to be kept cooler than a
phal, but similar amount of light. I guess I just keep experimenting til it
blooms, and then hope I can replicate whatever is was I was doing that it
liked! Sue B

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008
wrote:

> I don't use sphagnum very much, and not at all for paphs, which in
> general want to be dryer than most other orchids, I think. My mix is
> coconut husk chunks, cocout fibre, bark ( Douglas Fir bark) and
> grit/Perlite, plus some aggro-foam pieces.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdevallias, Strepes etc.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Good evening Alan,

I did read what you said and decided to wait, so here I go. I have always been fascinated by Mas/Restrepias etc, ever since I first clapped my eyes on Restrepia antennifera at Wylde Court many years ago. And I still have a perfect mental image of it in my mind. What a superb piece of 'Mother Nature's' work.

So, tell me if I can grow them/it by explaining what I require. Bearing in mind that I will only use clay pots with slots or holes drilled in them. I do not use any of the so called 'Orchid Composts', and I will only use something to keep the plant from falling over that is totally non rotting or decomposing.

There you have it.

I really do look forward to what you have to say, because as I have now conquered the growing of Paphs I will look forward to conquering Masdevallias and the like.

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Little and Large
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Here is a photograph of two Lycastineae − Anglocaste Augres and Lycaste campbellii both in20 cm. pots. Angulocaste Augres will have leaves 75 cm. long and pseudo bulbulbs 20 cm X 7.5 cm. Lycaste campbellii's leaves will be 30 cms. long and pseudo bulbs 5 cms X 2 cms.
To me they are both very rewarding orchids.
I hope you enjoy them.
From Devon, where today I developed my first sweat this year on mowing the lawn. Dennis

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] moss poles − hollow and/or solid (what day is it?) and hasn't this thread wandered a long way ....
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Further to the alleged loss of scent from Scrophulaiaceae; Mimulus, Musk,
commonly known as Monkey flower. I have grown it in the past, but haven't
had it for more than 40 years when I used to grow in pots in my green house
just for the smell that greeted me when I opened the door,and I am surprised
and curious as well as well sceptical about the apparent loss of scent. Like
John I do recall, as a boy it growing in my parents garden and well recall
the smell when my mother brought stems into the house.There are many
species and colours are from red to yellow and purple as well as spotted
varieties. Propagation is by seed, cuttings and divisions.
The species are grown in various countries and apparently in North America
species can grow up to 4 feet.
This post has aroused my curiosity and I will attempt to obtain seed or
plants so as to ascertain if any have a perfume and will widen the enquiry
to the RHS.
With regard to Moss Poles. I don't see the problem. I haven't seen one and
don't think I will ever need one, but if I did, I don't think it would
create any great difficulties as there are numerous tubes or pipes available
in all sorts of sizes in metal and plastic as well as plenty of materials to
stuff it with.
Perhaps there is more to it than seems apparent.
Ronbow.

"John W Stanley" wrote:

> Precisely Geoff!
> But when, as an undergraduate (as I was in the 50s) and you hear such a
> story from a professor of botany, and a geneticist to boot, that such an
> inexplicable phenomenon occurred, you can't simply dismiss it!
>
> Gemmel, I know, was mystified by the phenomenon but seemed convinced it
> had happened.
>
> Only later in my career did I try to follow it up. I had (and still do)
> recall the powerful scent from 'Monkey Musk' my father grew and I can't
> locate scented ones any more. An explanation other than a bucket of
> fertilizer, must exist.

[Snip]

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Other Masdevallia
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hello Boss! yes I saw them but I donr have many, around 20, mostly
coccinea, amabilis, veitchiana. I would like to get some of the colour
variations of coccinea, I have a white and a lilac but there are quite a lot
apparently.
Regards, Alex

Alan Garner writes:

> Hi,Alex.
> A nice specimen of coccinea.I am glad to see that someone else is
> interested in masdevallias. I posted some photographs of two unusual
> masdevallias some weeks ago and had little response so I assumed that
> no-one else grew them.

[Snip]

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

I got Geoff's html OK on my wifes Mac. The pic was sent by a photoshop type
program called ACDsee from my ancient PC so maybe it did have extra funnies
in it.
Regards, Alex

Tricia Garner writes:

> On 24 Jun, in article
> ,
> geoff hands wrote:
>> PS to Tricia − when my message came back to me, it did not show
>> any accompanying files at all − just showed the picture ( and of
>> course, my pearls of wisdom words ).

[Snip]

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dacty's
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

Hi Lynda,

I grow my terrestrials ( a couple of Dac. fuchsii, Dac. purpurata and an Ophrys apifera) in a mixture of the so-called orchid compost that you can get at any garden centers, to which I add some perlite, vermiculite and a handful of the baked clay pellets (are they called Seramis?). They grow well for me with that, and come back every year!

Regards,

Francis

--- El lun, 23/6/08, Lynda Coles escribió:

> Help!. advice please from those of you who grow British
> native orchids in the garden/pots.

[Snip]

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Tricia's request.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

As I have said − from my travels along the learning curve with gamut
windows, colour temperatures, 14 bit images, embedded profiles, codes,
fractals etc − attempting to get ever better ( I didn't say truer !- because
, surprisingly, that's not what is needed ) colour and definition in my
fairly large prints − A3 usually , sometimes A2, and a few even A1 size − (
approx 60 x 84 cm ) − file formats are surprising things. Anyone ( as long
as they are a lot cleverer than myself) can write a program for compressing
an image − that's what it's all about − compression − and if it fits the
formulae laid down by the "Japanese Photographic Experts Group" − which can
be abbreviated to JPEG or JPG − then that will be the file format. But it
can be very different from the Adobe CS3 jpg, which is different from the
Adobe CS2 jpg, and so on and so on....

When we all have real broadband − 100 Mb , as they do in Tokyo. I'm told ,
we shall send 35Mb TIFF attachments instead of jpgs, as compression will not
be necessary − or will it − how many Terabytes is your hard drive ? I've
been recording several thousand images per year since I went digital in
1998.... Its a good job the earlier ones were only 50kb or I would have no
room even for DVD storage of them all !- the latest ones are 50Mb, and if I
am mad enough to buy the next generation of Nikon or Canon DSLR then the
files are going to be measured in more than a hundred Mb (each). I already
use 8Gb memory cards − which I am told is more than provided on the first
Moon landing vehicle !

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Humour.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

On 24 Jun, in article ,
Roger Grier wrote:
> Hi Tricia,

> I did read your posting with reference to why you could not open
> Alex's original file..........but I did not have any trouble
> whatsoever!!!

I'm very happy for you.

> My computer is loaded with Microsoft XP. I use Outlook Express.
> Just like that; plain and simple.

You may think so − I couldn't possibly comment...

> Then I read your posting again and I see your problem.

> I still use RISC OS. Whatever the hell that is.

I didn't say 'whatever the hell that is'. I *know* what it is! The
leanest, most eco-friendly (in terms of power consumption) operating
system around. Also impervious to any viruses which affect Windows.

> VirtualRPC version 4.39 on an iMac Faster than Moped ?

It's the racehorse where Windows is the carthorse :-)

> The email client on the RISC OS side is still Pluto. Aha !!!
> There we are. That's your problem. PLUTO.....if you will use
> these bloody 'Micky Mouse' bits and pieces what else can you expect
> ???

Mickey Mouse? Mickey Mouse???? When you use that [expletive deleted]
piece of stuff Outlook Express? Ruddy cheek!!

Seriously though, Rocky, this list wouldn't exist if I didn't use
Pluto and RISC OS. Mind you, someone else might be doing it instead
:-)

> Regards from a grinning Rocky.

Regards from an also grinning Tricia,

--

Tricia

The way to a man's heart is through the left ventricle.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Masdevallia coccinea -View as html file !
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

On 24 Jun, in article ,
Alex Scott wrote:
> I got Geoff's html OK on my wifes Mac. The pic was sent by a
> photoshop type program called ACDsee from my ancient PC so maybe
> it did have extra funnies in it.

Ah, I don't currently have Photoshop on the iMac which may be why it
didn't recognise the original file format :-) I'm thinking of getting
PixelMator, which is apparently able to handle Photoshop files − I'll
experiment when I've downloaded the trial version.

I too got Geoff's version on the iMac, and the important bit was OK
on the RISC OS side. No need to worry :-)

Regards,

--

Tricia

Motorcar: a four-wheeled vehicle that runs up hills and down pedestrians.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Tricia's request.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

Hi Geoff,

I agree that TIFF is totally inappropriate for web use, but when I
'sent' the file to ZamZar, being a conversion utility they didn't
offer to convert it to what was allegedly the same format. The only
options were either TIFF or BMP, which turned out to be academic
anyway since they were unable to convert it.

I intended to convert the result to JPEG in house, so to speak, so I
would have a file suitable for the archives. I thought BMP files are
even larger than TIFFs, which is why I mentioned TIFF in my request
to the list.

By the way, I like your tongue-in-cheek definition of JPEG :-)

--

Tricia

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Lynda's Wild Orchids.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

Mornin' Linda,

Already on the 'Spreadsheet' ????? Ahem! Cough, cough, so you are.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid Compost.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

Good morning Francis,

I noted with much interest what you said:

I grow my terrestrials ( a couple of Dac. fuchsii, Dac. purpurata and an Ophrys apifera) in a mixture of the so-called orchid compost that you can get at any garden centers,

I have four non see through plastic bags of 'Orchid Compost' that I have purchased over the years that I show people. They are very different. Can you please either post a photo of the bag, or tell me who the manufacturer is. I will be very obliged to you for this.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum mix & source
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

Does your paph have a name ?

geoff

Sue Brinsko wrote:

> It's very confusing to beginners like myself when the people with all the
> experience have conflicting reports of that experience. For example... some
> say paphs like to be drier than other orchids, some say paphs like to never
> dry out at all!

[Snip]

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] dacty's
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

When I lived in the Cotswolds − on the edge of Minchinhampton Common ( see
the National Trust handbook for details − they own it ) I used to see
several of our native orchids growing wild on the common in various
locations − pyramalis for example grew right at the side of one lane which
went from the common down into the Nailsworth valley, and was at eye level
as you went down the lane in a car ( going down 400feet in a short
distance). The bee orchid grew in the ditches of an old saxon (?) earthwork
on the top of the common , and so on.

But the common spotted orchid used to sow itself in pots of Agapanthus etc.
on my terrace . It didn't grow in my garden ( too weedy for me ) and the
nearest plants I knew about were a couple of hundred yards away − but there
it was. And a neighbour , half a mile down the lane ( meaning at least 300
feet below me) claimed that he had self sown Southern Marsh orchids coming
up in his tubs where he had tulips and summer bedding. Can't be as fussy
about soil and micro-organisms as we are always told , perhaps ?

Geoff

francis quesada pallares wrote:

> Hi Lynda,

> I grow my terrestrials ( a couple of Dac. fuchsii, Dac. purpurata and an
> Ophrys apifera) in a mixture of the so-called orchid compost that you can
> get at any garden centers, to which I add some perlite, vermiculite and a
> handful of the baked clay pellets (are they called Seramis?). They grow well
> for me with that, and come back every year!

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Tricia's request.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

I did know that the J stands for Joint not Japanese, but the way I heard it
, even the Microsoft men on the group talked about going home to Tokyo....

geoff

Tricia Garner wrote:

> By the way, I like your tongue-in-cheek definition of JPEG :-)

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Little and Large
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

I love your little and large pic. The one on the left − or at least what it
will be like when the aspidistra is fully formed , is the reason I don't
grow Lycastes, and the one on the right is the reason why I should !

Geoff

Dennis Read wrote:

> Here is a photograph of two Lycastineae − Anglocaste Augres and Lycaste
> campbellii both in20 cm. pots.

[Snip]

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: masdevallias
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

I have fairly recently started to take an interest in these and have now a
dozen or so − all of them growing on mounts with the exception of M
veitchiana.

I am in the process of dividing my orchid house in two so that I can have a
cool end and I suspect then I will get some more of the cool ones growing
species before long.

I am certainly enjoying the ones I have − here are some pics from the past
year − mixed quality as I have a new camera and I need to read the manual!

Andy

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: local orchids
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

I've been out today to a local orchid site − saw Pyramidal, Fragrant and
Common Spotted a plenty and the odd few Bee. Laast year there were lots
more Bees for some reason. There are 2 other species on this site the Frog
and one other which I can't remember. I have never found them. It is
difficult to "get your eye in" for the first time.

Anyway − a few pics. It was howling a gale so I am pleased I managed tio
get them − none of the C S are clear enough.

Andy

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: orchid baskets
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

I prefer wooden baskets to plastic but does anyone know about suitable
woods? I see they are often said to be "hardwood" − but what and why?

What of oak, walnut or indeen something like pine?

Andy

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] moss poles − hollow and/or solid (what day is it?) and hasn't this thread wandered a long way ....
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:00

Hi Ron,

Thanks for your email which I interpret as an assurance that I've not
completely lost my marbles!
I amanged to find the following URL as well;
http://www.pfaf.org/wiki/index.php/Musk_Monkey_Flower and the following;

Cultivation details
Prefers rather moist places such as damp borders, margins of streams and
boggy spots[1, 111]. Grows well in heavy clay soils. Thrives in full sun so
long as the soil does not dry out[200], otherwise it is best grown in
partial shade[187]. Grows well in shallow water, but it can be
invasive[200]. Hardy to at least -15°c[200]. There are some named
varieties, selected for their ornamental value[200]. All parts of the plant
have a musky scent, though the form naturalized in Britain, and most
cultivars, appear to be scentless[17, 200].

Cheers

John

"Ron Bower" wrote:

> Further to the alleged loss of scent from Scrophulaiaceae; Mimulus,
> Musk, commonly known as Monkey flower. I have grown it in the past,
> but haven't had it for more than 40 years when I used to grow in
> pots in my green house just for the smell that greeted me when I
> opened the door,and I am surprised and curious as well as well
> sceptical about the apparent loss of scent.

[Snip]

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Tricia's request.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

Hi All
Just jumin' in on this bmp,raw,tiff,jpg jpeg etc format issue and the
problems/ease of the opening of files.as attachments.
I wonder how many of us use Irfan view as a utility (freeware). Irfanview
has solved image-format problems for me on maany occasions, even to the
extent of recognising a file (and opening it) with a message to the effect
that it has the wrong format suffix and asking me if I would like it
correcetd.

There are probably other utilities that are similar . . but I don't know of
one.

For anyone confused, bemused or simply drowning in format soup, I recommend
this magical program. It's also a great slide sorting, showing, bulk
altering facility. Does anyone know a better one?

You can download it from
http://www.irfanview.com/
and I can vouch for its safety − spam, virus and adware-wise, a factor
becoming rarer with freeware.

Cheers
John Stanley

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum mix & source
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

Two tags came with it....one reads Paph. Maudiae, the other reads Paph. Red
Shift Paph. Ruby Leopard "Kuo Jiang" SM/TPS Sue B

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008
wrote:

> Does your paph have a name ?

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum climate?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008

Hi all,

What type of climate do you provide for the paphs?

I have some friends that grow them with Cats, the same tmep. light water, mix... and they do very well there. I have always read they like it a little different. what are you alls experience?

Thanks.

Jim

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Compost.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Hi Rocky,

I buy whichever compost they happen to have. At the moment it's a bag of J. Arthur Bowers' Orchid Compost.

Regards,

Francis

--- El mié, 25/6/08, Roger Grier escribió:

> Good morning Francis,
>
> I noted with much interest what you said:
>
> > I grow my terrestrials ( a couple of Dac. fuchsii, Dac.
> > purpurata and an Ophrys apifera) in a mixture of the
> > so-called orchid compost that you can get at any garden
> > centers,
>
> I have four non see through plastic bags of 'Orchid
> Compost' that I have purchased over the years that I
> show people. They are very different. Can you please
> either post a photo of the bag, or tell me who the
> manufacturer is. I will be very obliged to you for this.

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Calypso
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Is it possible to get a Calypso bulbosa anywhere in UK? And how
difficult is it to grow? Guessing from the lack of growers in RHS's
plant database, it would seem to be, as it is a very beautiful orchid.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wild Orchids.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Mornin' all.

What Geoff said about some of our Wild Orchids and their apparent non fussy attitude to different soils is absolutely correct. I am still amazed at some of the soils that I find them growing in.....and completely happy.

If I go past a certain location I will take a photo of a Common Spotted Orchid growing in a fish pond.

Rocky.

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdevallias et seq
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Welcome to my world! I am glad to hear that there are other members of the
apparently exclusive band of cool-growers. When you tell people that you
grow orchids they immediately comment about high temperatures and this is
reflected-albeit unsurprisingly-in the lack of cool growing plants supplied
by the professionals. There are a tremendous number of beautiful and
rewarding cool orchids but you have to search the world for them! I grow
totally cool-Tricia is the hot one in this partnership!

Roger: I am not sure that I can help you because I grow with moss as a
medium because that seems to be best for maintaining the crucial level of
moisture whilst giving space for roots. I do not feed-apart from the very
occasional watering with epsom salts because chemicals and moss do not live
happily together.I use rain water all the time and supply a fairly high
level of air movement.
Keep on trucking!

--

Boss

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Baskets.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Mornin' Andy,

I have a couple of wooden baskets and both are made of wood that does last a very long time. Work on that type and you will not go far wrong. I am sure that one of mine is Cedar, and the other is mahogany ???

Do not use oak. It has some nasty items in it. Don't know exactly what you would call it. Ever hammered a nail into a piece of oak??? And tried to pull it out again ??? And notice the black residue that seeps out.

Hope this helps, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wild orchids.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Hi Andy,

Nice to hear that you have been on a 'Wild Orchid Safari' in your neck of the woods. Yes, it does take a little time to get your eye in as you say.

Frog orchids are very difficult to spot for the first time as they have a very good camouflage.

Any idea why they are named 'Frog Orchid' ???

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdevallias.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Hi Andy,

I was VERY INTERESTED to hear that most of your Masdevallias grow mounted. Please pass on some more information, and let us know how they progress through the year.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] masdevallias
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Nice work Andy − you don't need to apologise for your pictures − or your
plants, they are well grown by anyone's standards.

geoff

Andy wrote:

> I have fairly recently started to take an interest in these and have now a
> dozen or so − all of them growing on mounts with the exception of M
> veitchiana.

> I am in the process of dividing my orchid house in two so that I can have a
> cool end and I suspect then I will get some more of the cool ones growing
> species before long.

> I am certainly enjoying the ones I have − here are some pics from the past
> year − mixed quality as I have a new camera and I need to read the manual!

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] orchid baskets
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

I did some experimenting when I was into trading with Vandas − since the
price of the basket seemed to be more than that of the plant !. The problem
with pine or soft woods is simply that they rot too fast , and re-basketting
is much more difficult than repotting ; or perhaps this was so because I was
- at that time- trying to grow in empty baskets, the way the Thai's do, so
that the roots stuck to the wood. Perhaps that would have happened anyway -
compost or no (?).
I didn't try oak or walnut − hardwoods of that kind tend to be just as
expensive as teak .
I tried using teak laths − so as to keep the right material but use less of
it , but plants did not hang properly unlike the case with baskets where you
get four anchorage points.
I did try less expensive hardwoods − one called Ramonde or something like
that , but I came to the conclusion that the cost of any hardwood plus the
time in making added up to be totally un-commercial , and I went over to
plastic pots with very coarse open compost.

geoff

Andy wrote:

> I prefer wooden baskets to plastic but does anyone know about suitable
> woods? I see they are often said to be "hardwood" − but what and why?

> What of oak, walnut or indeen something like pine?

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum mix & source
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

If you have that many names, all for one plant , then it is anyone's guess.
But the names all suggest the red colour ( what are sometimes called 'vini'
colouring , meaning red wine I suppose − ) and all these red paphs (
complex breeding apart e.g. Winston Churchill ) are Maudiae type , meaning
bred from P.lawrenceae, barbatum and that same group of orchids with spotted
leaves. In fact the good reds all have one or other of two specific
P.callosum clones as parent , 'Jac' is one, I forget the other .

They come from e.g. the Malaya/Thailand peninsular and the adjacent part of
South-East Asia, and although some are found e.g. on the hill at Penang
which is I think a couple of thousand feet high , they are all warmer places
, not high enough to be really cold . They are not found on the higher hills
of Thailand for example.

If your plant is growing well, then it's only a matter of time before it
flowers , if you are getting good clean growths, perhaps getting bigger each
year, and/or multiplying in number, the only other possibility is a low
Nitrogen high Potash/Phosporus boost , like a 7-14-14 when the new growths
are starting to get towards full size.

Good luck

geoff

Sue Brinsko wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum mix & source

> Two tags came with it....one reads Paph. Maudiae, the other reads Paph. Red
> Shift Paph. Ruby Leopard "Kuo Jiang" SM/TPS Sue B

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum climate?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Remember that its a big genus ; if you want to flower say helenae , insigne
, or micranthum − the one with , then its cool you need. The big
multi-florals with roth' blood need it much warmer, and so on....

geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum climate?

> Hi all,

> What type of climate do you provide for the paphs?

> I have some friends that grow them with Cats, the same tmep. light water,
> mix... and they do very well there. I have always read they like it a
> little different. what are you alls experience?

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] off message for Roger...
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Are you into New Forest flora other than orchids , Roger ?

Walking by Highland Water ( near Brock' ) today in a boggy area, I came
across cushions quite well covered with tiny pink flowers- 5mm across, new
to me . I had nothing to use to keep a sample in decent condition until I
got home , but did take a snap ( which I haven't downloaded yet).

Any ideas, or might have if I mailed it ?

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Wild Orchids.

> Mornin' all.

> What Geoff said about some of our Wild Orchids and their apparent non fussy
> attitude to different soils is absolutely correct. I am still amazed at
> some of the soils that I find them growing in.....and completely happy.

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Hi Geoff,

It's all very well for those who are retired and don't know how they
ever had time to work, but having just passed my 65th earlier this month
and still working...(but not for much longer I hope)...we just do not
have time to reduce those photos to a manageable size to sent to the
list.
Anyway I'm fed up with re-writing a chapter for a technical book and
need a break so I'll try to reduce some and send to you!

It was a very pleasant day on the Saturday and the show certainly lived
up to the comments from people who visited last year. My wife and I will
be there next year I'm sure, but we are close enough not to need a hotel
for the night! (Thinking of your comments on the local hostelry!)

It was interesting comparing some pricing aspects. Some continental
vendors simply used the Euro price ticket as the same value in Pounds
sterling, whilst others such as our friends 'Akerne' re-calculated from
Euros into sterling. There was a chinese vendor whos' prices seemed to
be rather excessive and there were not very many customers at their
stall, but on the whole, there was something for everyone!

The displays were enough to turn me green, with some amazing Paphs (see
the picture).......I still cannot get your Paph to flower so avoided
buying any more until I master the art so-to-speak!

The Encyclia profusa won an award of merit and I was very appreciative.
It was on the Akherne stand but they had another plant which had a
flower spike which was about 6or 7 meters long!!! but I forget the name.
They said it was the only one they could disentangle well enough to
bring to the show. I think even your greenhouse would have difficulty
with that one Geoff!

Anyway, as is the case with these shows, we returned home with boosted
enthusiasm and some good ideas. I purchased some 'rockwool cubes' which
I thought would be a good idea with Mr Grier's rocks and with everyone
else's bark and 'pearlite'..........time will tell!

On reflection, I think I spoke to Brenda at the show without realising
who she was! Next year, if I can refuse all the technical writing
requests, I'll be more organised and may meet some more of The Group.

Hope you like the pictures, well, snapshots really and thanks to those
who enthused last year and stimulated me to visit the show this year.

Happy growing!

Tony G
P.S. I'll bore you with some photos of the (probably) most Northerly
colony of Southern Marsh Orchids later this week!

"geoff hands" wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?

> Didn't anyone go ?
>
> I have not read anything about it , and would be interested to hear.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Thanks Tony . I haven't looked at your pics yet − I'm just sneaking a few
minutes e-mail time in intervals of cooking tonight's meal − but I wanted to
jump in about rockwool cubes. Plested used them very successfully ,and I
also saw Ray Bilton growing some plants in them, mixed with Perlite and the
roots system impressed me.
But received wisdom says don't mix rockwool with anything organic − the
reason being that the organic part ( e.g. Bark) will rot down too fast when
it is kept permanently wet , and the pH goes crazy. No personal experience
here − but it seems so likely to me that personally I wouldn't try it.

geoff

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallias.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Rocky,

Mine all do much better mounted. The grow where moss will grow in the shadde on the shouth side of the tree in a dampish location, but the masd like a nice breeze. Here is a photo of a mounted dracula that grow with my Masds.

It is just a big fur ball mounted on tree furn but really whatever you want. just think of the moss growing in the trees.

Jim

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

The one which makes me sit up is the Oncidium. That amazing lip !

Of course my heart bleeds for you poor suckers still working − actually ,
the way things look to me, I should be saying you rich suckers still working
- believe me, a good pension in 1996 is starting to look rather average now,
and I am quite sure that poverty is merely a matter of living long enough on
a fixed income.
Of course, if you happen to be an MP or a Civil Servant , expecting to
retire on an index linked pension then you can laugh all the way to the bank
.... If not I hope you live long and enjoy your retirement the way I am
enjoying mine − and when I'm really poor , next year perhaps, I shall just
have to tell Joyce to sell the diamonds, I'll flog the Rolls Royce, and I
shall have to turn the greenhouse temperature down another lot more
degrees...

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Unidentified flower.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Geoff asked me this question.

Are you into New Forest flora other than orchids , Roger ?

Walking by Highland Water ( near Brock' ) today in a boggy area, I came across cushions quite well covered with tiny pink flowers- 5mm across, new to me . I had nothing to use to keep a sample in decent condition until I got home , but did take a snap ( which I haven't downloaded yet).

Any ideas, or might have if I mailed it ?

To tell you the truth Geoff my friend and I were asking the same question a few days ago. I am fairly sure that it is the Bog Pimpernel, Anagallis tenella. So, please look it up and see if you agree with me as I may be wrong, but I feel sure that it is what we were both looking at.

Have you seen all three Sundews yet ? Or found the Bog Orchid ?

Cheers for now Rodge.

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Lemboglossum cervantesii
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Good evening Rodge,
Point for discussion.

Why do you say no to oak baskets? Many orchids grow on oak trees by
choice.

All my mounted orchids grow on Cork oak bark and my Lemboglossum
cervantesii is growing on a piece of English oak "Quercus robur" that I
picked up in Richmond Park.

Lemboglossum cervantesii grows only on oak trees in montane forest
according to Cribby.

I bought my Lemboglossum in 1984 , see attachment, and it has thrived
although people will tell you that it is very difficult to grow.
Whenever I split it up and give bits to people they seem to lose it very
quickly. Presumably they pot it up in pine bark.

Oak contains tannic acid that's why iron nails go black and stain the
wood. But orchids don't mind tannins, in fact Orchid Ultra made by
Growth technology contains tannins.

We had a talk at OSGB which Martin Motes attended, He reckons that
Dendrobiums grow really well mounted on Oak bark.

So there you are Rodge, sorry to disagree.
David

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From: Sue Brinsko
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum mix & source
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Thank you for the info Geoff. Very interesting. This Paph does have mottled
leaves.I'll try the fertilizer change, as you suggest, when the currently
growing leaf is almost the size of its predecessor. Sue B

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008
wrote:

> If you have that many names, all for one plant , then it is anyone's
> guess.

[Snip]

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008

Good point Geoff.
I remember the man at 'Orchid World' at Terrington St. Clements who
started me growing orchids 20 years ago used only rockwool type medium.I
think I'l mix with the larger perlite granules and see what happens.
Ialso noted your comments on the baskets and vandas. I'm being
successful with rafts and fairly regular feeding at the moment but I
made a hexagonal basket for a Doritis and no added medium but the plant
is looking starved and I'll have to give the roots something to "get
their teeth into"!

2 more pics, one of the Vanda I purchased in Singapore, can't remember
its name and I'm not getting wet going to the greenhouse at this time of
night.....and the second is a Phal 'Tilda Aukland'

Tony

"geoff hands" wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?

> Thanks Tony . I haven't looked at your pics yet − I'm just
> sneaking a few minutes e-mail time in intervals of cooking
> tonight's meal − but I wanted to jump in about rockwool cubes.

[Snip]

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Hi Geoff,

Are there any that will grow and bloom in temperatures between 24 and 33 degrees centrigrade?

cheers,
esther

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Lemboglossum cervantesii
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Mornin' David,

Aha, the tannins, so there we are. Yes, I did suspect that they may cause
harm, but as you say, they are O.K. That was my only reason for saying do
not use oak. As for growing on Cork bark, yes that's O.K. as it is the
bark.

As for buying a few good hardwood baskets about six inches square.....give
Ratcliffe Orchids a ring.....I was over there yesterday and they do have a
few left for sale.

Off out today on yet another Orchid Safari.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdevallias et seq
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Welcome to my world! I am glad to hear that there are other members
of the apparently exclusive band of cool-growers. When you tell
people that you grow orchids they immediately comment about high
temperatures and this is reflected-albeit unsurprisingly-in the lack
of cool growing plants supplied by the professionals. There are a
tremendous number of beautiful and rewarding cool orchids but you
have to search the world for them! I grow totally cool-Tricia is the
hot one in this partnership!

Roger: I am not sure that I can help you because I grow with moss as
a medium because that seems to be best for maintaining the crucial
level of moisture whilst giving space for roots. I do not feed-apart
from the very occasional watering with epsom salts because chemicals
and moss do not live happily together.I use rain water all the time
and supply a fairly high level of air movement.

Keep on trucking!

--

Boss

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Unidentified flower.
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Keble Martin shows just a single strand of the Anagallis − if it could grow
into a cushion , it is certainly a very good possibility.

I looked for the sundews , unsuccessfully , but I was out on a walk ,
recce'ing an 8 mile route for my walking club and wanted to get back home
for lunch so didn't hang about too much .It's so easy to be out all day and
only do a couple of miles if botanising is the interest !

I aim to do the same walk again in the opposite direction as soon as I can (
I had problems crossing the river when I got back to Balmer Lawn − ended up
wading it − should have gone the other way at Bolderford Bridge or detoured
into the town) and I'll try and take Stace and a hand lens and stop for five
minutes to key it out properly.

Geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Rhodehamel says warm conditions (ideal;) 68-80 F ( day) and 53-65 (night).
Sorry that these are Fahrenheit , I haven't time to stop and convert − I
should be at the local P-Y-O farm getting strawberries and raspberries as
family inc grandchildren are arriving tomorrow.

If you can get near those temps ( conversion − subtract 32 , Then divide by
9 and then multiply by 5 to get Centrigade) let me know and I'll make a list
of the ones marked W for you to look up elsewhere − Jay Pfahl for example).

geoff

Esther Koh wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea

> Hi Geoff,

> Are there any that will grow and bloom in temperatures between 24 and 33
> degrees centrigrade?

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallias.
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Hi Rocky

I have been experimenting with growing orchids mounted for the last year or so.

Specifically I moved the first Masdevallia onto a mount because it wasn't doing too well in a pot and it grew some great roots fairly quickly. The second one I moved was M minuta because the whole plant is only about 4cms high (1.5 in) and looks out of proportion in a pot. Now all are on mounts except M veitchiana which is big and floppy and I think is usually terrestrial.

I don't use any moss in attaching the plants − just tie on and spray every day at least once. I will put some photos on soon.

Andy

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] orchid baskets
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Thanks for this Geoff − it is exactly the sort of thing I wanted to know.
It has set me thinking about repotting (rebasketting?) after however long.
I don't think I have ever read anything about that. Maybe I will save the
baskets for something that grows more sedately than the vanda types.

Thanks too for your comments on the Masdevallias.

Andy

(and for your comments about my Masdys).

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: more piccys − and − can you name this Aerides ?
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

In order :-

Aerangis citrata . Produced a couple of branch growths last year ( from the
original single growth , and this year all three are flowering. Flower
colour a little bit creamier than the white which appears on this particular
(uncalibrated) monitor. Flowers 2 cm or so across. Scented at night (only).

Aerides − bought as "Aerides sp. (Mindanao) − suggesting it was collected or
came from seed in the Phillipines. Flowers about 2cm across. Name anyone ?

Dendronbium sanderae is another Phillipines species. Comes I think from 4
different islands, each with a different flower − some larger, some very
much larger, some with a red throat instead of greenish-yellow. This is one
of the smaller ones, but it's not a happy plant and this may be it' swan
song , as no new growth visible, no leaves left , and few canes not going
soft. Will look for replacements.

The encyclia is a lovely thing. Capable of a great many flowers I should
think , although the bulbs are like marbles ( note to friends outside UK -
marbles are small − 15mmm typically, balls, used for childish games , but
also for betting games...) Mendenhall is the name used by the US nursery
Carter & Holmes ( superb cattleyas at horrific prices from the sole UK
importer − but you could maybe buy direct if you make up a big enough order
and cope with the awful paperwork). They give this name to orchids they are
very proud of.

Laelia flava − wonderful flowers, quite small ; correction , thinking of the
next Laelia − very small.

Laelia tenebrosa . I think of this as a macho real character . Big strong
long-lasting wonderful flowers. I can't seem to capture that dark brown
colour − it comes out a bit insipid on film.

Podangis − a tiny sweetie − maybe a 7cm pot you see here.

The Vasco is the best one of the three examples of this plant I have in my
collection . I call it a stunner.

I showed you my Bulbo.lobbii when it had a couple of flowers out , but now
it has about 18 − with still more buds showing − I thought it worth a second
look.

Geoff

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

These ones are warm growing according to Gerritsen:

M anfracta
ayabacana
bennettii
cresenticola
demissa
lata
livingstoneana
martiana
naranjapatae
norae
sprucei
tonduzii
tubuliflora
vieriana

Andy

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea

> Rhodehamel says warm conditions (ideal;) 68-80 F ( day) and 53-65
> (night).

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Saves me a job . I like that !

geoff

Andy wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea

> These ones are warm growing according to Gerritsen:

[Snip]

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Hi Esther,
even the warm growers will not be happy in Singapore, because
they like a drop in temperature during the night to at least
15 deg C. and this you do not have in Singapore.
If you really want to grow them then you have to build an enclosed
cool-house where the temperature can be thermostatically controlled
and this will cost quite something. So, as you said it can't be
done in Singapore.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

I grow Masdevallia striatella as an intermediate plant quite succesfully... In fact, when I first got my cold terrariums for pleurothallidinae and it was moved in, it nearly died, as it started to drop leaves like mad... As soon as it was taken off and put on its old spot, amongs the Phallys, it produced three new leaves.

Francis

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

68 − 80 20 − 26 centigrade
53 − 65 12 − 18 centigrade
This is exactly as I said.

Peter from Bloubergstrand

geoff hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] Masdevallia coccinea

> Rhodehamel says warm conditions (ideal;) 68-80 F ( day) and 53-65
> (night). Sorry that these are Fahrenheit , I haven't time to stop
> and convert

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Friday Wild Orchid Safari
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Hi all,

A good day out and about. Saw, Marsh Helleborines.....Common Marsh.....Frog.....Pyramidal.....Fragrant and a few others.

Images 6 & 11 are of a nice Common Marsh orchid.

48 & 62 of the Frog Orchid.

21 & 25 of the Marsh Helleborine.

Only trouble with today was that it was blowing a hooly.

Cheers, Rocky.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: id help laelia sincorana maybe?
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008

Hi all,

Is the a laelia sincorana?

Thanks,

Jim

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008

The Vanda that you purchased in Singapore, is it Vanda Cindy Banks 'Hilltop' ?

For your Doritis, put some spaghnum moss into the bottom of the basket
and the plant just on top so that the roots are resting on the moist moss.
Peter from Bloubergstrand

"tony garthwaite" wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?

> Good point Geoff.
> I remember the man at 'Orchid World' at Terrington St. Clements who
> started me growing orchids 20 years ago used only rockwool type medium.I
> think I'l mix with the larger perlite granules and see what happens.
> Ialso noted your comments on the baskets and vandas. I'm being
> successful with rafts and fairly regular feeding at the moment but I
> made a hexagonal basket for a Doritis and no added medium but the plant
> is looking starved and I'll have to give the roots something to "get
> their teeth into"!
>
> 2 more pics, one of the Vanda I purchased in Singapore, can't remember
> its name and I'm not getting wet going to the greenhouse at this time of
> night.....and the second is a Phal 'Tilda Aukland'

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008

You will be surprised when you retire then you have less time than you have
now and you will wonder how you managed everything while you were
still working.
Apart from that, it took me about 5 minutes to reduce your pictures to an
acceptable size. Like John W Stanley, I use IRVAN VIEW with my
pictures and it is really easy to use and quite versatile and it can be down-
loaded F R E E from the website.

Peter from Bloubergstrand

"tony garthwaite" wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?

> Hi Geoff,
>
> It's all very well for those who are retired and don't know how they
> ever had time to work, but having just passed my 65th earlier this month
> and still working...(but not for much longer I hope)...we just do not
> have time to reduce those photos to a manageable size to sent to the
> list.

[Snip]

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Name that plant.
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008

Hi all,

Can anyone offer a name for my plant please. I did ask this question when the flower first opened and I think Jim answered it, but I am damned if I can find Jim's reply.

You may remember me telling how it took such a very long time for the sheath to fatten, the buds to emerge, and that I lost three of the four.

Just hope that one of you may recognise it.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] id help laelia sincorana maybe?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008

I believe its the real thing Jim.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Jim's Laelia.
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008

Hi there Jim,

I had my doubts about your plant being Laelia sincorana, so I did a search on the Internet, and then compared your photo with others..........and it looks to me as if your plant is a dead ringer for Cattleya Dayana.

Have a look and see what you think.

The website that I looked at was: www.sborchid.com/plantdisplay.php?ocodeL00000540

It is the Santa Barbara Orchid Estate.

When you see the Laelia sincorana, just scroll down to see similar orchids.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] id help laelia sincorana maybe?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008

Yes, it has a white patch in the throat and five keels
on the lip.

Peter from Bloubergstrand
JIM MATEOSKY wrote re [OrchidTalk] id help laelia sincorana maybe?

> Is the a laelia sincorana?

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Oncidium Sharry Baby
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008

Does anyone have experience of growing Oncidium Sharry Baby? Particularly
minimum night temp. I have just bought one at our club auction and have
heard and seen advice ranging from 10C to 15C. It is a nice plant and I
dont want to ruin it!
Regards, Alex

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Rocky,

It has Laelia purpurata in it. is the plant rather on the large size for cats? I have a few L. purparta x chi lin that look very similar. I have a few in sheaths now, not sure how long it take to produce a flower, that is a question I ask a lot myself.

Jim

Roger Grier wrote re [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.

> Can anyone offer a name for my plant please. I did ask this
> question when the flower first opened and I think Jim answered it,
> but I am damned if I can find Jim's reply.

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

I got this as a small cutting about 2 years ago and it has finally flowered for me. The flower is only 2 by 6mm:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_6729b.jpg

Do you think it is Bulbophyllum membranaceum?

cheers,
esther

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oncidium Sharry Baby
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Alex,
I have grown Sharry Baby at intermediate temps successfully, Min 12degC
David

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Hi Esther,

Although I have never flowered my membranaceum, the leaves on your plant do look like the ones on my plant. The flowers do look very similar to the pictures on Jfahl website, so I guess it is Bulb. membranaceum.

Well done! Although it is a very small growing plant, it looks beautiful, specially when grown as a specimen plant with loads of flowers all over!

Regards,

Francis

--- El dom, 29/6/08, Esther Koh escribió:

> I got this as a small cutting about 2 years ago and it has
> finally flowered for me. The flower is only 2 by 6mm:
> http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_6729b.jpg
>
> Do you think it is Bulbophyllum membranaceum?

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant.
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Roger, I would suggest that you have a primary hybrid between a Catt and Laelia purpurata of which there a number of possibilities.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Masdevallias et seq
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Shortage of cool growing orchids ? It will change...

When I started, we all grew cool. The favourite orchids were cymbidiums
which we grew at winter night temperature of 10 C.

Or we grew odonts − true odontoglossums & odontiodas − not the oncidium
family intergenerics which nowadays pass for odonts − and we grew those down
to 8 deg C as the stat setting.

Cattleyas were for the rich ; Vandas were for the very rich. Phalaenopsis
had not been invented, but we expected that they needed horrific
tempertatures too.

Thirty years of cheap fuel ( remember that after the arab-israeli wars of
the 70's I was still buying heating oil for my boiler at 40 pence per
imperial gallon − about 8p per litre....) and greater affluence all round ,
and we all lost interest in cool growing orchids , we could afford to set
the stat to 16, 18, 20, ... so we grew everything else, and the availability
of orchids changed to meet demand.

But how many of us are going to be saying to dealers now , − what temp. does
that need ... ? really ?... Have you get anything which will grow cooler ?

So it will change back again − but of course that will take time . I don't
suppose I shall live long enough to see the next major display of novelty
cymbidiums , all cool growing , at a trade display at Chelsea , but some of
you young shavers will , I'll bet money on it.

Geoff

Alan Garner wrote re: Masdevallias et seq

> Welcome to my world! I am glad to hear that there are other members of the
> apparently exclusive band of cool-growers. When you tell people that you
> grow orchids they immediately comment about high temperatures and this is
> reflected-albeit unsurprisingly-in the lack of cool growing plants supplied
> by the professionals. There are a tremendous number of beautiful and
> rewarding cool orchids but you have to search the world for them!

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oncidium Sharry Baby
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

The warmer figure is generally agreed to be correct , but I have heard the
cooler one too.

Personally I am not fond of it and have given it away when it has found it's
way into my collection − but each to his own ( or her own ).

Geoff
Alex Scott wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Oncidium Sharry Baby

> Does anyone have experience of growing Oncidium Sharry Baby? Particularly
> minimum night temp. I have just bought one at our club auction and have
> heard and seen advice ranging from 10C to 15C.

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

As a bulbo' fan I checked Jay's site, and his flower pic looks spot on for
your surmise; but you plant looks very different − maybe you are growing it
that much better than the illustrated one, with all you lovely leaves !.
It's one I haven't got, but the flower does not seduce me enough to put it
on my list of wants.

geoff

Esther Koh wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower

> Do you think it is Bulbophyllum membranaceum?

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Hi Peter,

No...it is Vanda Mimi Palmer!

Rather attractive colouring even if the flowers are not quite as large
as some. These are about 3-4cm across.

Thanks for the advice on the Doritis. I'll give it a go!

Regards

Tony G.

"PG Hieke" wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Peterborough... ?

> The Vanda that you purchased in Singapore, is it Vanda Cindy Banks
> 'Hilltop' ?
>
> For your Doritis, put some spaghnum moss into the bottom of the basket
> and the plant just on top so that the roots are resting on the moist
> moss.

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Itsy Bitsy Bulbophyllum flower
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Dear Esther,

No idea about the name but the photo reminds me of parts of the (so
called) cool house in the Orchid Garden in Your Singapore Botanical
Gardens. You know....where the water is pouring down half way along!
It always makes we Northern Europeans smile as the temperature in there
is slightly higher than we call 'hot' on a summers day!
Joking apart, there are some rather fine specimens in there and most
visitors miss many blooms as they are quite small like yours. I'll be
walking through again next time I'm in Singapore!
Regards from a warm Britain.....24 degrees C!

Tony G.

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oncidium Sharry Baby
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Lovely delicate blooms Alex, mine has minimum 15 in summer and 13 in
winter.
Do you have the pink or white form?

Enjoy it!

Tony G

"Alex Scott" wrote re: [OrchidTalk] Oncidium Sharry Baby

> Does anyone have experience of growing Oncidium Sharry Baby?

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Oncidium Sharry Baby
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008

Thank you David, Geoff, Tony − looks like I should keep it a bit warmer than
I had planned. Dont know if its pink or white but It has 2 spikes so I
should know in a while. I like Sharry Baby's scent.
Regards, Alex

tony garthwaite writes:

> Lovely delicate blooms Alex, mine has minimum 15 in summer and 13 in
> winter.
> Do you have the pink or white form?

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From: Marina et Jean Michel Dufermon
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: dendrobium
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008

Hello
As promise.
You'll find 2 scan's of a local dendrobium
Jean Michel
--
Cordialement Marina et Jean Michel
Yours faithfully
BP:3859 98846 Nouméa Nouvelle Calédonie
PO Box: 3859 98846 Noumea New Caledonia

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Intergeneric names
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008

In this periods Orchid Review in the Sandres List addendum there was a note saying that the full list of hybrids could be downloaded. Having found it I pressed Print and walked away.
On my return I was amazed to be in the middle of a 78 page print out.
My stupidity I know, but more to the point SEVENTYEIGHT PAGES.
How many of you know that a Changara is Ada x Brassia xCochlioda x Odontoglossum x Oncidium ? or that Mauriceara is Aganisia x Batemania x Otostylis x Pabstia x Promenia x Zygopetalun x Zygosepalum.
MORE TO THE POINT how many Changara or Mauriceana are registered. If it is only one of each, is this not ''Egging the pudding''
Regards from a sunny (today) Devon Dennis

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From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Masdys for Esther
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008

I happened to stumble across this site which may be of interest for warm tolerant Masdevallias

Andy

http://www.komodaorchids.com/komoda1.htm

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oncidium Sharry Baby
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008

I'm growing Oncidium Sharry Baby for about 10 years and it flowers
every year with sprays of richly scented flowers.
The winter temperature is usually between 12 and 15 º C and on some
nights it drops to 8 º C without any problems for all of my intermediate
growing plants.

Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The Hybrid List.
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008

Hi here Dennis,

Couldn't resist this comment...............................I know a good website for cheap paper.

Regards from a very warm New Forest. Rocky.

P.S. I will tell you of my boob about recording a tape to the computer and burning a CD one day.

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Oncidium Sharry Baby
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008

Thanks Peter − I am going to keep it warmer but good to know I dont have to
worry if the heating goes off!
Regards, Alex

PG Hieke writes:

> I'm growing Oncidium Sharry Baby for about 10 years and it flowers
> every year with sprays of richly scented flowers.
> The winter temperature is usually between 12 and 15 º C and on some
> nights it drops to 8 º C without any problems for all of my intermediate
> growing plants.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: floppy wobbly miltonopsis − weak roots
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008

Hi,

I am sure this answer is obvious to someone, but I am confused as of yet. I have several different flavors of miltonopsis, (roezliis and various hybrids), growing in a mix I use a lot. The mix is 60-70% small ( the long side is 1 cm and smaller) broken pebbles of charcoal and pumas rock ( white and light absorbs water), the rest of the mix is rice husks perlite split evenly. I have a bunch of oncidiums in this as well as more happily growing miltonopsis. A small fraction of these plant are floppy and wobbly and can not stand up on there own. People have said it is the mix, I am not sure I buy it. my hunch is that they are getting over watered, or maybe bugs are eating the roots, but I am not sure.

Getting around to my question..... What kind of culture do you treat the miltonopsis to? Do you let them dry out? What kind of potting mix are they in? I am kind of confused at this point. Has anyone every had the floppy plant syndrome?

Jim

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