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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Lycaste.
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

Moss and perlite mix ed 50/50 and tomorite each week. Regards Dennis

Roger Grier wrote:

> What's this 15cm stuff !!!! Six inches across, wow, that sure is a
> nice flower.
>
> What do you grow it in please?

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Areas to visit.
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

South west hampshire you say, dont want to go there ,to many weirdo's down that way.(only joking rocky) can you name an area or village to aim for.Sorry, but i am not at all familiar with this side of England.Happy growing!
Gavin

Roger Grier wrote:

> Hi Gavin,
>
> You wrote,

> > If anyone has any places they think i could visit to
> > see orchids in the Wiltshire-Dorset-Somerset area I'd be most
> > grateful, being only a novice and fairly new to wilts im short of
> > ideas.I look forward to your response eagerly everyone.happy
> > growing!

> So what's wrong with the South West corner of Hampshire.....known
> as 'The New Forest' ????? Or have you not got your visa cleared
> yet ???

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fertiliser.
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

Hi to you all, wherever you are on this planet of ours and no matter how and where you grow your orchids.

My question is this: Can anyone say for absolute certain that one brand of fertiliser, no matter what ratio the Nitrogen/Phosphate/Potash/and other bits are to each other, and if it is granular or liquid.......definitely makes your plants grow better in one year or two than they have ever been?????

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertiliser. Why not cisterns to save rainwater?
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

Roger,

I use peters ( various mixtures ) with Epsom salts. But with that said. Rain, Sun and a nice breeze is much much much better than our simulated environment. My recommendation for the group is cisterns to save rainwater...... A la one of the princes favorite spots: Bermuda.

Jim

Roger Grier wrote:

> Hi to you all, wherever you are on this planet of ours and no
> matter how and where you grow your orchids. My question is this:
> Can anyone say for absolute certain that one brand of fertiliser,
> no matter what ratio the Nitrogen/Phosphate/Potash/and other bits
> are to each other, and if it is granular or liquid.......definitely
> makes your plants grow better in one year or two than they have
> ever been?????

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Village or place to aim for.
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

Hi Gavin,

As to a Village or place to aim for......................it's like saying to someone, "The orchids that you want to see are near Birmingham".

And believe it, as it did happen to me. Many years ago, at the end of one of my 'Orchid Chats' an elderly lady came up to me and said...."Mr Grier, the Marsh Helleborine that you are looking for can be found growing near Sway". And that is almost as bad as the Brum message.

I eventually did find them thanks to some other nice people, but what I am getting at is that you will need very precise information, or, better still get some nutter to show you. The 'nutter' being yours truly.

A friend of mine said recently that at our age we are fortunate to have our health and sanity..........the latter being somewhat doubtful, ha, ha. Humour keeps the world sane.

I'll get in touch in a few weeks time and we can have a damned good day out.

Cheers for now Rocky.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: some more Costa Rican species, gongoras
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

A few gongoras this is kind of an un-appreciated species, I really like it though.
Still working on some of the names

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: any ideas what this is?
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

Hi,
All any Ideas what this is?
Jim

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: another under appriciated species
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

Hi,
This is one of my favorites. Pescatoras..... whis I had some of the others.
Jim

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From: Brenda Beale
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Jim's Cattleya
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

I think it is Cattleya jenmanii

Brenda

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertiliser.
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

When I started growing orchids the genus that interested me was Lycaste. At the Bournemouth BOC Congress I met Henry Oakeley and visited his National Collection. When questioned about ferrtiliser hr advised he used Tomorite as it was the cheapest at his nearest garden centre. Lycastes are a greedy tough orchid and accept this fertiliser but as I am lazy all my orchids get fed it . In the main they seem to survive other than the Pleurophallid alliance plants that seem to prefer no fertilizer. I am starting to use the new Orchid Focus but the jury is still out.
Regards from a changeable Devon. Dennis

Roger Grier wrote:

> Can anyone say for absolute certain that one brand of fertiliser,
> no matter what ratio the Nitrogen/Phosphate/Potash/and other bits
> are to each other, and if it is granular or liquid.......definitely
> makes your plants grow better in one year or two than they have
> ever been?????

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phalaenopsis
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008

Here is another Phal. that they were trying to sell at the WOC. I think that it's wrong to sell plants like this.

'What lovely photographs and wonderful Phals jns. I like these vibrant colours in a Phal. I'll look at your website later to see more of them.' Jean

I have put together the phals that I saw at the WOC. Go to my site: www.togofcoralgables.com and open the 'movie clips' page. I have 3 movies about the WOC. The 2 about Phal. plants were mostly for sale.

This is the shorter Phal. movie. The direct address is:
http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_idWYmRb0hOM4o&rel1&eurlhttp%3A//togofcoralgables.com/MovieClips.aspx&iurlhttp%3A//i.ytimg.com/vi/WYmRb0hOM4o/default.jpg&tOEgsToPDskLbiFlOzU8FsAKNl5mUgtID

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Off subject.
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Hi Folks,
Is anyone out there in the big wide orchid world using Skype free to talk
system?
If so please let me know your skype name etc, off line so that I can contact
you if required.
Max Redman.
Sydney Australia.

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] any ideas what this is?
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Jim,
Is that spike coming from the plant in the basket? It looks very much like Epidendrum pseudepidendrum which normally has a very bright red lip , but I have one here which is a very pale colour similar to what your flower looks like. Mine grows quite tall however whereas yours does not seem to very big.
Your Cattleya could be any number of types but I am more inclined to look at perhaps Catt.harrisianum.
Max.
Sydney Australia.

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] any ideas what this is?
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Jim,
Just a follow on from previous. Read the description of the various Catts. especially the flowering both numbers and time of the year. Also the description of the shape of the pseudo-bulbs and whether it is unifoliate or bifoliate. Then check the write ups of the original description.
Hope that this helps.
Max.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Horrible Phallys.
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Mornin' Tropic,

I think that you and I may be top of the list for hating such horrible flowers. Here in England we sometimes see those horrible Phallys that have tried to grow another lip on each of the sepals.

They should have never left the place that grew them...............just put in the trash bin.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Jim's Cattleya
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Mornin' Brenda,

Cattleya Jenmanii...........mmmmmmmmmmm! I have had a look at quite a few similar Cattleyas and I don't see any yellow patches in the throat of the lip on Jenmanii. Do you think that would be a good reference point to distinguish the plant ?????

Kind regards, Rocky.

Brenda Beale wrote:

> I think it is Cattleya jenmanii

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: skype
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Max I'm on Skype, my user name is Jean Lewis and my email aeranthes@yahoo.com − Jean

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Feriliser
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

There are some fertilisers that are better for Orchids than other in their make-up. Some are in chemical form and others in Organic. Liquid or granual, it doesn't really matter as you will find one or more will work better in your conditions or the type of orchid.
The biggest thing about fertiliser is that if you speak to the average hobbiest and ask about fertilising most are usually sketchy about their usage. If you are a successful grower and well known and recommend a particular fertiliser as a great product to those hobby growers like you questioned earlier, in twelves months time you question them again you will find that they have had the best flowering and plants they have ever had.
It wasn't because of the fertiliser, its because they have actually used the fertiliser for the 12 months on a regular basis.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: local photos
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Hi Gavin and everyone else. We managed to take some photographs this afternoon of orchids in Porthkerry Country Park here in Barry. There are quite a number of white ones in flower and probably about to finish flowering I would think. There are no signs of any purple ones here although I felt sure I'd seen some a few years ago. They have let the verges grow a bit but the orchids seem not to mind. I'll attach a couple of reduced size ones but if anyone wants to see about 6 − 8 of them I can put them in a zip at almost full size. It's best for a largish zip if you have Broadband or some kind of fast connection. Just let me have your email address if you are interested in seeing them and the area they grow in − regards − Jean

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From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid feed
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Hello Rocky,
I always used to use Chempak Orchid Fertilizer, but this year I have started using Peters 20-20-20. that's because I used all the Chempak up and I had the Peters given to me. I thought I would experiment a bit and am using 10 parts Peters added to 2.5 parts calcium nitrate and 2.5 parts magnesium sulphate. I seem to be getting more flower spikes, but it may not be due to the feed.
I would like to try the fertilizer from Michigan State University that was shown in the American Orchid Society magazine in the June 2003 issue.
You can find this if you Google "Michigan State University Orchid Fertilizer" and look under the heading AOS\without high phosphorus-a new fertilizer proves itself.
Regards David.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: fertilizer
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

On the subject of fertilizers I see that Baby Bio has brought out one of their little bottles of fertilizer − a bright pink coloured orchid feed. I bought a bottle to try it but it could work out expensive with 8 − 10 drops to a litre. I dread to think how many litre jugs I would use on my orchids per week − will keep you posted on any visible progress − Jean

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dactylorchis incarnata?early marsh orchid
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Hi Rocky, i look forward to a day out on safari with you! meanwhile, yesterday i had a succesful day of my own, i read a little information on orchid habitat (which may i add is very general at best; like asking directions to orchid sites via village names)and put what i know of salisbury into context and found a early marsh orchid site with a few plants out, (1 mile from the city center)well thats the best identification i could make. Please find attached a couple piccys.I hope to have some more piccy's for you all the weekend as ive got a trip planned to a site where im told there are 12 species growing, i just hope some of them are out!Please correct my naming if its wrong!shouldn't be a problem soon though as ive ordered the collins "Wild orchids of Britain"book.happy growing!
Gavin

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] some more Costa Rican species, gongoras
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Hi Jim, love the Gongora piccys, these are one of my favourite speceis i just wish i could grow more of them. Ive got a Gongora Truncata with a white body and purple spots. I haven't had it more than a year and a half, i got it into spike with a 2foot spike, but unfortunately i had to move it and it sulked and lost all the buds, ive also got a quinquinervis on order from peterborough which i cant wait for.One thing that does come to mind is the thought that all the orchids with the most weird and wonderful flowers have short lived flower sets ie stanhopea,coryanthes,gongoraetc just makes you keener to own more so you can have one in flower all the time.Happy growing!
Gav

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] local photos
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

Hi Jean, thanks for the photos, i hope i will see some like those this weekend, are those pictured the lady's tresses orchids you mentioned previously?Please can you send me some enlarged piccys so i can look them up my e-mail is gjhorne64@hotmail.co.uk .happy growing!
Gavin

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From: Alex Scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Dactylorchis incarnata?early marsh orchid
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008

You will have lots of discussion about the names Gavin and interesting to
hear what the Colins book says. IOSPE has dactylorhiza incarnata as a
synonym for D. fuchsii which has spotted leaves whereas yours are a clear
green. They all seem very variable in size and flower colour.
Regards, Alex

gavin horne writes:

>
> Hi Rocky, i look forward to a day out on safari with you! meanwhile, yesterday i had a succesful day of my own, i read a little information on orchid habitat (which may i add is very general at best; like asking directions to orchid sites via village names)and put what i know of salisbury into context and found a early marsh orchid site with a few plants out, (1 mile from the city center)well thats the best identification i could make. Please find attached a couple piccys.I hope to have some more piccy's for you all the weekend as ive got a trip planned to a site where im told there are 12 species growing, i just hope some of them are out!Please correct my naming if its wrong!shouldn't be a problem soon though as ive ordered the collins "Wild orchids of Britain"book.happy growing!

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] any ideas what this is?
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

It could be Epidendrum coronatum. It is definitely not E. pseudoepidendrum.
The shape of the lip is not right.

Peter from Bloubergstrand

JIM MATEOSKY wrote:

> All any Ideas what this is?

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: U.K. Orchids.
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

Mornin' Jean and Gavin and all other interested members.

Jean, can you please send a large photo of the 'Butterfly Orchid' so that I can see the flower enlarged. This is because although I am fairly sure that it is the 'Greater Butterfly Orchid', the position of the pollinia will tell for sure.

The Greater Butterfly Orchid has its pollinia sloping inwards at the top, while the Lesser Butterfly Orchid has its pollinia absolutely parallel. Also, the GBO tends not to like chalky soil, whereas the LBO grows in the New Forest type soil.

Next time you kneel down beside one have a good look/observation at many of the characteristics of the plant. Have a good look at the spur and see that the liquid is only in the bottom of the tube.........then try to fathom out why???

Gavin, nice photos. Yes matey, that's the Early marsh Orchid, and a very nice colour form.

Identification points are as follows:

Nearly always that sickly yellowish green colour. Leaves almost hug the main stem. Stem is hollow just like a drinking straw. Lip shape is different than its cousin the Common Marsh Orchid. Has just a couple of complete lines....no spots or dashes...that is normally.

Some very nice variations out there.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya gurus which is it?
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

It doesn't look like Cat. warneri. It is Cat. warneri.

Peter from Bloubergstrand

JIM MATEOSKY wrote:

> It looks like a Cat. warneri, But it also looks like labiata,
> trianaei, jenmanii , mossiae, and there are others. Which is t
> anyone know?

> If you look here http://www.chadwickorchids.com/Cattleya/index.htm

> Art wrote a bunch of wonderful articles I refer to a lot!

> But I am not sure which it is. When the ticket disapears on my
> plants my helper always says just wait till it flowers, but he was
> no help here either.

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertiliser.
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

No one will ever be able to say that any brand of fertiliser is better than
any other for orchids.
How does one know whether high or medium or low nitrogen is better at which
time of the year for which orchid? Impossible to tell. The variables are too
many to make a prediction. And what about all the other components at what
ratio should they be mixed
Furthermore, what is good for group 'A' is possibly not the right choice for
group 'B' and probably wrong for group 'C'.
The best choice is, to ask around with fellow growers, at club meetings or
at shows, but never ask a manufacturer because he wants to sell his product.
It is good to speak with nursery people because it is their business to grow
them as best as possible and they have experimented with certain fertilisers
over the years.

Regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

Roger Grier wrote:

> Can anyone say for absolute certain that one brand of fertiliser,
> no matter what ratio the Nitrogen/Phosphate/Potash/and other bits
> are to each other, and if it is granular or liquid.......definitely
> makes your plants grow better in one year or two than they have
> ever been?????

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: photos
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

What a beautiful orchid and what good photos Gavin − it sounds as though you had a great day! − Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: white orchid
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

Roger what is your current email address please. I can't attach such a large photo to 'the list'. It's all ready to send as soon as I have your email address − cheers − Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: gavin
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

No Gavin, I not really sure what it is. I did identify it (I think) some years back but have lost any notes I made on it. I'm hoping for a short cut here in letting Rocky identify it!lol − Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Gavin
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

Hi Gavin
No not really. I did a few years back but I can't remember exactly what it is!lol I'm hoping to take a short cut here and let Rocky identify it for me − Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] white orchid
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

Hello Jean,

My E-mail address is as follows: theorchid.man@virgin.net

Cheers Rodge.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: United Kingdom Wild Orchids.
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008

Evenin' Alex,

Jay Pfahl's Internet site is excellent and so good when we all need to have a look at this and that, but the mix up with Dactylorhiza incarnata and Fuchsii is just not on.

I do not expect Jay is aware of the difference between these orchids of ours.

The two 'Marsh Orchids' that grow abundantly near my home are so easy to find and to have a damned good look at.

Both of them NEVER have any markings on their leaves. I was once shown a few growing in a group which had some very small spots on their leaf ends..........this bloke called them the 'Northern Marsh orchid'..........I was not interested at all.

Dactylorhiza Fuchsii, the 'Common Spotted Orchid', and the 'Heath Spotted Orchid' both always have markings on their leaves. The markings on the leaves of the Common Spotted are nearly always sausage shaped, whereas the markings on the Heath Spotted Orchid are more circular.

The Heath Spotted Orchid which grows just about everywhere in the New Forest has puzzled me for the best part of forty years to such an extent that I am still not sure that it is a firm species. Anyone could take fifty photos of this plant and they would all be different...............in the space of a few yards.

To make matters worse, these 'Fab Four' have a very sexy lifestyle and the resulting offspring are not only sometimes wonderful to look at, but also baffle the onlooker who may to try to state the parentage.

To end up, I would be very thrilled to see images of other Members orchids that are native to their own Country, especially the Australian ones. Yes, it's a six month difference, but I would like to see some of the Thelymitras and the Caledenias.

Cheers for now, Rocky.

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: unidentified bulbo
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

Hi all, is there anyone out there that can help identify this bulbophyllum,i got it two years ago as briennianum which it obviously is not. To be fair The vendor did say at the time she was sure it wasn't, also ive attached a few more for your viewing pleasure!happy growing!Gavin

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: uk orchids
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

Hi Rocky, i spent a few hours wondering the woods and plains around downton yesterday, but unfortunately i didn't see a thing not even a rosette, what i did notice is there where alot of gorse and rhoddodendron bushes meaning the soil is neutral to acid.would this be why i did not see much;the soil being acid?happy growing!
Gavin

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Something to brighten my day up !!!
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

Hi all,

Photos 1 and 4 are of a little Phalaenopsis that I treasure quite a lot. It may not be the biggest flower in the world, but it sure makes up for it as it is so smart.

Photo 6 is of L.C. Puppy Love 'True Love' that I showed on April 25th. That's one month ago, and it had already been in flower for a week or so then. The perfume is still there and the flower has not deteriorated one bit. It sure is a plant that I feel many people would like in their collection.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Italian Orchid pots
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

Hello Sue,

Nice to hear that you are still looking for them. I keep looking but as yet no luck.

I did have a chat with a man at my local Orchid Society who told me that he was in the 'Import Business', so, if anyone finds these type of clay pots please tell all, as this chap may be able to do us all a favour.

Rocky.

Sue Brinsko wrote:

> Well, I'm stumped. I just finished making the rounds of my usual
> pot shopping places, and no Italian Orchid pots! Whoever it was
> that had them before does not have them now. I'll keep my eyes open
> in case they turn up again, but for now no info. Sorry, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] uk orchids
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

Hi Gavin,

At least you picked a good day, although the wind was troublesome..............unlike today.

The plants that you saw and the soil type that you diagnosed were about spot on. And the 'spots' are on the orchids..............but they would hardly be in flower yet.

A good place for ease of getting to, parking, walking is just a few miles from you on the A36.....'Pepperbox Hill' to be exact. It's always worth a visit.

If you do plan a visit, I can either meet you there, or tell you the best places to look.

Too damned wet today.

Cheers Rodge.

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Pleuro limae.
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

I got this plant at the London show at least a year ago bare root. For all this time it had sat ont he pot where I repotted it. Its four leaves have flowered (pretty much constantly) during this time, but I had not seen much more happening to it. Recently, after all this time, I noticed a new leaf growing out of the moss... Very exciting, as the leaves it came with are very much folded in half, so you only see flowers if you open them apart. Today, whilst cheking the plant again, I noticed what I thought were two spikes in the leaves are actually new leaves too!

There isn't much information on the web about this particular species, so I wonder if any of you could shed any light on whether limae is a slow grower, or it just doesn't like to be repotted.

Many thanks,

Francis.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: various things
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

Thank you Gordon. Gavin I can't help with naming your Bulbophyllum but if I ever get one of mine to flower again I shall be asking for help too! Good luck with finding the name − We had an orchid show this afternoon at Dyffryn Gardens near Barry and it poured with rain constantly and blew a gale − lots of tree damage all around. We packed up early and I was home by soon after 3.0p.m. Why is it always like this on a Bank Holiday! − A wet, cold and tired − Jean

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Early Purple Orchid. Natural habitat.
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008

Hi Rodge,
The pics are ideal thanks.We could be doing with some of your rain up here, it hasn't rained for nearly six weeks excepting a few sharp showers.
The only drawback is the har which appears on the coast regularly. the temperatures are peaking around 12 or 13 C. due to the winds coming in off the sea.
I have heard that orchids come and go quite regularily from where they grew a couple of years previously. No one has come up with an answer as far as I know.
Gordon.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roger
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008

Beautiful orchids Roger and great photos. You are right of course anyone would like them in a collection. I love the colour of the Lcatt. but can only successfully grow this type in the house − the greenhouse is a kiss of death for any Catt or Lc − probably not warm enough for it. The house is full to overflowing so I guess I'll have to be patient for a while. − Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wild orchids.
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008

Mornin' Gordon,

O.K. ..........I give up, what is the meaning of the word 'har'????? My father was a Scot, but not one of the 'Aberdonian' awful speaking people, ha, ha. I did once work with a chap from your area...........could understand about one word in seven !!!!

As to the orchids disappearing and then showing up again a few years later, I have some thoughts on this subject.

I doubt it would be the 'Green-veined orchid' as they do not seem to grow that far north.

My first thought, like down here is the rabbits and deer that sometimes do an awful lot of damage.

Cheers, Rodge.

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] uk orchids
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008

Thanks Roger, would it be to early still to meet you this saturday at pepperox hill, if not suggest a time that is good for you,as you know im self employed and can rearrange appts during the week sometimes if necessary.happy growing!
Gavin

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wild orchids.
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008

Hi Rodge,
Har#is a local word for a rolling mist which is blown in off the sea during early summer. You did well undrstanding the odd word, I know Aberdonians who cannot understand any words spoken by other Aberdonians..
Regarding the "Dacts" I have heard that a virus has been killing off whole populations only for a new flush to appear nearby within a couple of years.
Probably the early and common varieties up here.
Gordon.

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: identified bulbophyllum
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008

Hi all, thank you to any one who tried to id my bulbo, i looked on the o&m site (which has excellent photo's by the way) and it is called 'transarisanensis' which is a name ive never heard before, ive attached another piccy just in case anyone wants to see it again, i recomend it as a collection member as it is quite small and has a largish flower about 7-8 cm and no nasty scent. happy growing!Gavin

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From: Kenneth Bruyninckx
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Open Nursery Weekend 2008
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008

We kindly invite you to come to our annual open nursery weekend on Saturday
May 31st and Sunday June 1st from 10 am til 6 pm.

Lately we have experienced quite a lot of problems with our website. The
result is that we have not been able to put an updated catalogue online just
before the weekend.

There are of course a number of new species on offer in the greenhouse
amongst others : Ansellia africana, Bulbophyllum lobbii, taiwanense,
tingabarinum, Dendrobium antennatum, Dracula chestertonii, Encyclia alata,
Lepanthes, Maxillaria tenuifolia 'Bohemia', Neofinetia falcata from Japan,
Restrepia aspasicensium, cuprea, mohrii 'naranja', nittiorhyncha and
trichoglossa ssp. subserrata.

This year we have a special guest during our open nursery weekend : Bert van
Zuylen, with his extensive offering of orchid books and prints, new,
secondhand and antiquarian.
Please visit his website at :
http://www.nov-orchidee.nl/boekenbeurs/html/englintro.html

As always there is a drink on the house for every visitor.

Kind regards,

Kenneth.

Kenneth Bruyninckx

Akerne Orchids

Laarsebeekdreef 4, B-2900 Schoten, Belgium

tel. +32 (0)3 651 40 36 fax +32 (0)3 653 06 76


www.akerne-orchids.com

See us at the following shows and events in 2008:

. Open Nursery Weekend, Schoten, Belgium (31/5-1/6)

. Peterborough International Orchid Show, Peterborough, UK (14-15/6)

Looking for orchid books and magazines? Visit www.orchidbooks.eu


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From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] slugs, balbozas (spanish) in the pots -
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Having been out of town for a few weeks, and now catching up on email, I
found this note from Rocky which needed immediate reply. The worrisome
part is the statement, "...filled a bowl of water with household
bleach/ammonia ..." The mixing of bleach, NaOCl, and ammonia, NH3,
should NEVER be done. Bleach and ammonia will react together to form a
variety of products depending on the ratio of two reactants in the
mixture, temperature, etc.

Possible products are:
1. Chlorine gas, Cl2, highly poisonous − 2NaOCl + 2NH3 --> 2NaOH
+ Cl2

2. Nitrogen trichloride, NCl3, very toxic, and a very volatile
explosive − 3NaOCl + NH3 --> 3NaOH + NCl3

3. Hydrazine, N2H4, a component of rocket fuel, and highly explosive.
This is the primary product if you have more ammonia than bleach.
This reaction occurs in three steps.
NH3 + NaOCl --> NaOH + NH2Cl
These two products continue to react with the excess ammonia
NH3 + NH2Cl + NaOH --> N2H4 + NaCl + H2O
One last reaction uses up the hydrazine, N2H4, produced in
this step
2NH2Cl + N2H4 --> 2NH4Cl + N2
and would seem to stabilize the system as these products are
most stable.
However, the third reaction is extremely exothermic, producing
a great amount of heat,
and generally leads to a violent explosion. :-(

One hears of several cases every year where someone tries to really
clean a sink or toilet drain by mixing household bleach and ammonia and
then needing to be treated at a hospital for poisoning or shrapnel
wounds from having the drain or toilet explode.

I do not recommend trying to reach orbit by mixing these two items in a
toilet, then quickly sitting on it, and strapping yourself in for blast off!

DO NOT MIX HOUSEHOLD BLEACH AND AMMONIA!!!!

John R

Roger Grier wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Well, would you Adam and Eve it !!! Just last evening I filled a bowl
> of water with household bleach/ammonia and a tiny drop of Jeyes fluid
> and immersed a Phally in it. Just below the rim of the pot...

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wild orchids.
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

I asked myself that very same question − what is 'har'? But my guess was
that that is that kind of heavy, salty fog that creeps in from the sea;
I know it from my childhood in West Jutland.

/jan

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Household bleach.
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Hi John,

It's my fault if I put you and others on the wrong track................why I stated ammonia I will never know.

All that I did use was household BLEACH and a little soap/detergent.

Apologies for all the hassle.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Mornin' Jean,

I was very interested to read about what you said reference, 'The Kiss of Death' for your Catts etc.

What is the minimum night Winter temperature that your greenhouse dips to in the early hours?????

And don't forget, a lot of such orchids are RESTING at that time of the year.

Please let me know.

Very wet here again !!!!! Rocky.

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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] slugs, balbozas (spanish) in the pots -
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

I have to say that I did not mention bleach in my original posting. Haven't
tried that, and now, am not going to. I only want to get rid of slugs and
snails, not good self or humble abode.

Thanks John for the very clear and precise explanation of how to destruct
ourselves.

Tony

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Open Nursery Weekend 2008
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Hi kenneth,thanks for the invite to your open day, i cannot come but i would like the following plants, restrepia:-aspasicensium,mohrii,nittiorhyncha.Also do you sell any coryanthes?Also i would like to order by post or on line, please can you tell me how to proceed?Happy growing!
Mr G.Hornep.s i have a paypal account if you use this service

http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: chemicals
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Thanks for the info John. I never never mix any kind of chemicals since hearing of a person in our town who poured two chemcials into the toilet and the thing exploded causing her some injury − not too serious luckily. Unless one is a trained chemist it can be very dangerous as you point out − Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bulbophyllums
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Gavin could you let me have the url of the site you mention with info about Bulbophyllums as I have one I'm keep to identify. A lovely little thing with small very scented flowers in a white with lilac stripes − thanks − Jean

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] unidentified bulbo
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

No, I can't help to identify the Bulbo.
The pictures you send are beautiful. Excellent flowers.
One minor correction, the Bulbo. dentiferum is actually
Cirrhopetalum dentiferum.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Catts
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Thanks Rocky. The night temp is set for 15C at the moment but was 14C for the worst part of the winter. In desperation I turned it up a little but have a feeling it needs much more than this which they won't get or my husband will drop dead with shock! We are quite happy to keep 2 or 4 in the house but I'll never be able to grow Catts in large numbers which is a pity − Jean

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bulbophyllums
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

Hi Jean, hear is the url for "orchids & more" www.orchideen.com/. they also supply some great plants at a reasonable price and always so far in good condition.happy growing!
Gavin

http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] chemicals
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008

From a different John!,
Hi Jean, I missed the earlier emails in your thread but what you acknowledge from the other John is sound advice. However, please allow me to point out what is often misunderstood;

When you drink water or breathe air you are imbibing mixed-up chemicals and when you add tea to water you deliberately mix chemicals. Unfortunately, the noun has become one of different definitions according to context. Chemicals to the pesticide-free and 'organic' food fraternity are only the synthetic ones (food is of nothing but chemicals and although we all know what is meant by the ad-men, nothing is 'chemical free' by definition except a very well articifially created vacuum − and some would question that suggestion since a few molecules will escape the surface of its container

This is not to pick argument with seekers after unadulterated food or pesticide haters but simply to point out that there aren't any substances that aren't chemicals, that's what chemicals are! We and everything else are, in substance, of nothing but chemicals! Your received advice on the mixing of cleaning products is, of course, very sound advice but to avoid mixing any chemicals at all would lead to a very short, life.

I am sure you really are aware of this but, forgive me if I suggest we should use our words properly. I have to admit that I don't exclude myself from occasional regretful sloppiness. Forgive a hobby-horse!

How're the orchids?
Another John

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From: Kenneth Bruyninckx
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Catts
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008

Jean,

You should be able to grow most Cattleyas at 14 °C at night!

The only exceptions being the trickier warmer growing species like Cattleya
aurea, dowiana and violacea, but all/most of the others should do just fine.

Here's an extract from the Chadwick website on Cattleya schroederae: 'Like
all of the Cattleya species, C. schroederae produces the best growths at 85
F with lots of sunshine and moving air. A thorough watering should be given
when it is actively growing, but the medium should be allowed to dry out
before you water it again. Cattleya schroederae seedlings are usually rapid
growers and seem to reach flowering size sooner than most of the other
large-flowered Cattleya species. Seedlings grow better with a night
temperature of 65 F than with the usual 58 to 60 F prescribed for adult
plants.'

Our intermediate/warm greenhouse is set to 16 °C at night and 21°C during,
but if we had a dedicated intermediate greenhouse then we would set the
temperature lower, during wintertime you need to make sure that you do not
provide too much moisture to prevent rot, but that goes for any type of
plant culture regardless of the temperature regime.

e.g. you don't hose down the Hellebores in your garden when it's freezing

What is the condition like in the greenhouse apart from the night time
temperature?

Which other genera/species/hybrids do you grow successfully in your
greenhouse?

Kind regards,

Kenneth.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bulbos
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008

Thank you Gavin I'll have a look around that website later. We are just off to Tintern for the day to meet up with family. − Thanks again − Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: chemicals
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008

I note your comments John but am not really concerned with the rights and wrongs of the use of the word 'chemicals' − The important thing is that it seems sensible not to mess around with bottles of bleach etc. I'm sure any sensible person would agree with that and that message is quite clear. Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Catts and the temperature.
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008

Mornin' Jean, ...................and after ALL day yesterday of Rain, rain and more rain, today the sun is out, so I am off gardening.

That's why this is just a short E-mail.

Have just seen Kenneth's great reply, and I will E-mail you probably tomorrow.

You will be able to grow them at lower temps, and your heating costs will go down.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] chemicals
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008

No offence meant Jean, and I'd bet a pound to a penny we all do it but I'm sure you'd agree we shouldn't.
An up-market supermarket near us have a line of 'chemical free' foods − I'm sure it's great stuff but it's also nonsense! Nobody on their management can tell me what chemicals it's free from except artificial ones. So that's OK then (!?)

In our local garden centre they have 15ml vials of 'automatic' orchid feeder liquid. It has a blue liquid (?water) and gravity feeds (another misnomer!) . However, there's no formula or contents information. Probably expensive blue water. There's an awful lot of nonsense about . .wouldn't you agree?

Incidentally, did you know that the recent explosive event in Exeter involved drain cleaner? As I said, I don't question the wisdom -just nit-pickin
Cheers
John

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Catts
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008

Kenneth and Rocky thank you so much for your replies. Thanks Kenneth for that info. I am keeping them at that temp at night and am not quite sure why they seem unhappy in the greenhouse. I have a fan permanently on and on warmer days open the door and louvred windows to let plenty of air circulate − also two roof vents. Everything I have will flower but the plants often look sickly which I find very odd. I'll print out your email and study it more carefully. I need to spot what it is that they are unhappy with. I should have the watering and feeding right as I use an indicator in each one to alert me when they need watering which at the moment is about once a week. During the winter it was roughly every third week. The ones I have moved into the conservatory in our house seem to have more or less recovered and are now making new growths. Thanks again for your help − will keep you posted on the results. Jean

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Catts again
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008

Sorry Kenneth I forgot to answer you questions about what I have in the greenhouse that I can grow successfully. I can grow masdevalias, but best of all are the Sarcochilius which are zooming away and have put up several flower spikes this year − one having four and the plant seems to have doubled in size again since I repotted it a little while ago. Well if not exactly doubled it has made alot of growth this year. I have had what seems to be called a Cambria these days but it seems to have more Odontoglossum than everything and that is flourishing and has 3 spikes in flower. I have Lycastes which don't do well and I have Coelogynes which do well. It's a right old mixed bag and I love each of them and wish they were all perfect! I have Laeliacattleyas which were doing poorly in the greenhouse but which have recovered and are doing very well in the house so as you see it's a bit of a mystery!! − Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A lot of nonsense about.
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008

Mornin' John-stan,

I guess that's a name for you to stop being confused with the other John.

What you said; There's an awful lot of nonsense about . .wouldn't you agree? I completely agree.

The 'Yellow Book' put out by BOGA and the BOC has a few bits of nonsense.

The one that I like best goes something like this:

"Clay pots are best but difficult to get these days". Must be living on a different planet to us.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bitts and pieces.
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008

Hello again Jean,

I must say that reading what you told us about your 'conditions' that it does seem rather strange why your Cattleyas/Laelias do not seem to like your greenhouse conditions. I also have a very mixed bag all under the same roof and all are quite healthy. Of course there are always one or two that have us pulling our hair out !!!!!

As to the 'Cambria' orchid. I do wish the, possibly 'Dutch Boys' did not put such labels in their plants, but then after all they are 'Business people'.

You mention your louvers open and a fan running..........I have none of these. Just a door, which is wide open when it needs to be.

As to the 'Indicators' in each pot, I don't have any of such things.

Tell me please Jean, apart from the orchid in the pot, what is stopping it from falling over, or in other words, what are you using as a 'compost', which of course in the straight sense of the word they do not require.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: chemicals
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008

No I hadn't heard of the Exeter event John but it proves the point again doesn't it that if we don't know what they are − steer clear of mixing them. Until the local person told me of her experience I had not realized that household products could cause a problem if mixed. I had taken it for granted that some authority somewhere had ensured that household products are safe − I'm glad I wasn't the one to discover how wrong I was! − Jean

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From: ema.orquideas Perú
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] slugs, balbosas (spanish) in the pots -
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008

I only use beer. Erica

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: In my garden.
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008

Hi all,

Three photos of some of the orchids in my garden.

1. Group shot of Common Spotted Orchids [Dactylorhiza Fuchsia] and Dactylorhiza Maderensis....at least that is what my memory tells me.

2. Shot of the two flower spikes.

3. Closer shot of the Common Spotted Orchid, showing the long leaf bracts and the flower with the very long central lobe [tooth] which is a good identification point.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roger
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008

Hi Roger,
The Catts are in bark − large pieces near the base of the pot (on top of crocks) and then smaller bark. They are steady enough in their pots. The sarcos are in either seramis or alpine grit − Jean

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] chemicals
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008

Strictly off topic, I'm afraid.

Speaking of chemicals − I seem to remember that once it was possible to
buy simple, unmixed chemicals, like solutions of ammonia, caustic soda
and denatured spirits; but I can't seem to find them anywhere. I used to
mix up my own window cleaner from ammonia, spirits and soap − ammonia on
its own is great for dissolving soot, by the way.

The reason I ask is that I'v got a funny little coffee maker from China
where the are the highest fashion at the moment − my parents used to
have one similar: it's two spheres of glass connected by a tube. You put
water in the bottom, coffee in the top one and heat it with a small
spirit burner. Only I can't find the spiritual part the equation. Does
anybody on the list know where to look?

/jan

Jean Lewis wrote:
> No I hadn't heard of the Exeter event John but it proves the point again doesn't it that if we don't know what they are − steer clear of mixing them. Until the local person told me of her experience I had not realized that household products could cause a problem if mixed. I had taken it for granted that some authority somewhere had ensured that household products are safe − I'm glad I wasn't the one to discover how wrong I was! − Jean
>

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008

Hi Jean,

Seems nothing wrong with what you have them in........strange one this is. However, as most of the ailments that us Orchid Growers suffer, there is quite often never an answer that seems to fit the problem.

However, maybe you might just try one Cattleya in rock/stone chippings.

Cheers Rocky.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] In my garden.
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008

What a pleasure to see terrestrial orchids in a garden.  Thank you for
sharing.  We have beautiful terrestrial orchids that flourish in the
Everglades, but I have never seen them in a garden.  When I was a
teenager I tried to transplant one but it died as soon as I planted
it.  But the local epiphytes are another thing, most are easy to grow. 
Many have been improved to the point that the wild plants are safe from
humans.

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From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: natives
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008

Hi All, following a tip of from a member who shall remain anonymous i went on safari on saturday, all that were expected weren't in flower but they are there for later piccy's. Instead i found many common spotted,twayblades,fragrant orchids and the icing on the cake was my first bee orchid this year.hope you will enjoy them as much as i did,happy growing!Gavinp.s. maybe its because i smoke or the earliness of the flowering but i couldn't smell anything from the fragrant orchids!

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] another under appriciated species
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008

There you have it − we don't grow Miltoniopsis very well in UK either. How
many people have a lot ? How many people have at one time or other bought a
large number...

I'll put my hand up.

Some say grow them with phallys ( which means in a greenhouse with phallys,
not on the dining table where phallys also grow very well, but very little
else grows well there. Others say, grow them cool, or bright ( they are
near-xerophytic (?), etc etc...

The Eric Yoinmg mob certainly grow them well, but they grow everything well
, but they will admit that they are not always long-lived .

geoff

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From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wild orchids.
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008

The word is also used in the north of England − which was once Viking
Country.... the men on the weather forecast speall it harr.

geoff

jan wrote:

> I asked myself that very same question − what is 'har'? But my guess was
> that that is that kind of heavy, salty fog that creeps in from the sea;
> I know it from my childhood in West Jutland.

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