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January 1—7

From: Sjean
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Keep it simple !!!!!
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008

I don't remember the website, but there's a man who has great success planting his orchids in 100% horse manure. There's also a woman in the Southern US who does the same with her cymbidiums. Both claim outstanding results.

If you're interested, and have a source of horse manure, perhaps if you google orchids+horse manure you could find a link?

Good growing in 2008!!
Sjean in California

Geoffrey Hands wrote:

> Maybe its worth adding that they were used with plain
> loam ( dead grass roots, no soil − not much nutrition
> there, then ) for deciduous calanthes and other gross
> feeders.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A few items.
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008

Happy New Year to you all,

Thanks to those of you that added your comments about 'That Fertiliser'. At least it sends out a message to all newcomers to our fantastic hobby. Keep it simple and enjoy it, and don't get worried or baffled by such items. My piece about 'Bull shit baffles brains' was not that far wrong, as some of our members wrote about Cow and Horse manure.

Second item concerns a list of Orchid Nurseries who will be at the London Orchid Show, and as Geoff has so rightly reported, they just don't seem up to it.....the R.H.S. that is, aka 'RETIRED HORTICULTURAL SLOTHS' . Like Geoff, I am on the lookout for a few choice items, but.............................

Makes me wonder if the actual Orchid Nurseries who will be there wonder why they do not get many pre-orders. Now there's something to start the ball rolling. I can provide a paddle, so let's start some 'stirring'.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] mail
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008

Hi all.
All the best for 2008. Lang mae yer lums reek. (Try saying that after a
couple of drams of Rocky's "Ardbeg" or any other malt.)
Gordon.

"Roger Grier" wrote on Monday, December 31:

> Hi Gordon, 'The Highlander', couldn't resist it,
>
> And a very good New Year to you and all.
>
> If you have a wee dram of 'Ardbeg' in the house have one for me.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] WOC
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008

Hi to Ron, Peter and anyone else who will be coming to Miami for our show.
We were not going to stay in Miami since we live about an hour or so from
there but have since changed our minds. The Sheraton is booked so we will
be at the Hyatt Summerfield Suites which is about 2 miles away. I have been
told there will be a shuttle between the show area and the local hotels but
we shall see. I will have my car so if anyone needs anything, not a
problem. Part of the show I will be volunteering in the Hospitality area so
perhaps we could meet up there. I'll know more as the time nears. Right
now we are going to Quebec and Montreal to celebrate our 50th anniversary.
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy and peaceful year.
Janet Fabricant
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: A few items.
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008

How about contacting any Orchid Nurseries you might want to buy from to
enquire if they will be attending. If they say yes point out that it's no
thanks to the RHS if you put in a pre-order.

--

Tricia

Time flies like the wind... Fruit flies like bananas.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] mail
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008

Is that in code, or intentionally offensive Gordon ? My lums cannot possibly reek , they are made of stainless steel with argan oil inserts !

But I hope you have a good new year when you have got over all those Scottish orgies I read about ( Hogs Man Aye ! ) .... (lums indeed he mutters, as he disappears into the distance...}

Geoff, from a sub-tropical South Coast...temperature in double figures here , even at 6.30 when I arrived at the gym, only to find the sluggards were still in bed − muttering about New Year , or something ; having just got back from a civilised country I told them that New Year starts on the first day after Ramadan....

They look at me very oddly !

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few items.
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008

Good evening 'Boss',

I am sure your idea is a good one Tricia, but sod the RHS. Furthermore,
what nurseries would I start with, and then if they say that they are not
going then it's a waste of time and effort.

I am waiting for a reply from the RHS after I E-mailed them twice recently
to see what happens !!!!!

I did notice that on the official RHS website a paragraph mentioned about
the show and the orchid nurseries that would be there, not naming the actual
nurseries, but stating that Orchid Nurseries from Brazil, Peru,Malaysia etc,
etc, etc,would be there.....that was 2007. I then see [and I think I am
correct] the same wording has been applied to the forthcoming 2008
Also if you look at the A.O.S. website about the London 2008
wording crops up.

Maybe if enough 'Orchid people' bang the door of the RHS then the sound
might wake them up !!!!! But I doubt it. I have a very good memory and I
can remember instances of long ago when the RHS were even then far behind
the rest.

Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few items.
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008

Always remember − ( switch into philosophical mode) that the RHS is the best
RHS there is.

Pity that this does not say very much....

geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: List of Exhibitors at the London Orchid Show 2008.
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008

Hi all,

Wednesday afternoon January 2nd 2008. NO REPLY AS YET FROM THE RHS.

I did however contact a certain Orchid Nursery who will be at the show and I asked if they knew of the list of Orchid Nurseries who will be there.

Here is the answer:

The only list of exhibitors we get is on the first set up day of the show.

What will it take to make the RHS see the light of day ?????

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hoss Poo!
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008

One man who recommendd horse manure for cyms was an Australian called Nic van den Berg. I think he died but his son was going to keep his website up though I cant remember what it was called.

Regards
Alex Scott

Sjean wrote on Tuesday, January 01:

> I don't remember the website, but there's a man who has great success
> planting his orchids in 100% horse manure. There's also a woman in the
> Southern US who does the same with her cymbidiums. Both claim
> outstanding results.

> If you're interested, and have a source of horse manure, perhaps if you
> google orchids+horse manure you could find a link?

> Good growing in 2008!! Sjean in California

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Hoss Poo!
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008

On 02 Jan, in article ,
Alex wrote:
> One man who recommendd horse manure for cyms was an Australian called Nic
> van den Berg. I think he died but his son was going to keep his website
> up though I cant remember what it was called.

Nic van den Bosch, who died November 2005 at the age of 95.
Website: http://www.boschnet.net/horsemanure/index.htm

--

Tricia

The older you get, the better you realize you were.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008

My trusty Jaybird ( fast fan, hollow blades, water pumped into blades, holes
near tips, whirls out mist − coupled to hygrostat , maintains humidity ( in
case you didn't know) has failed me − investigation show that the final
water tube − probably brass, is pretty well blocked , presumably with scale,
although fed from a water softener ( it will be theoretically soft scale,
instead of hard scale as a result, I suppose).

Of course it's a pretty fine bore, and with a right angle bend. So I was
thinking of some sort of chemical action . I have orthophosphoric acid, and
also some kind of high pH alkali ( in the form of my pH up and pH down
concentrates) I wondered if anything there might be any good.

My schoolboy and later water chemistry seems to have faded to illegibility
in what passes for my grey cells.

Any advice , anyone ?

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008

Geoff,

Can then blocked pipe be isolated so that the solution that you put through it does no harm to your plants etc. ???

If so, then try a solution of 'Harpic'.....and I do not take the micky. My friend and I used this many years ago, and it sure did unblock the pipe. And of course it is so cheap and easy to get.

Roger.

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From: James H
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

i would try soaking the blades in CLR (lime remover) I dont know if you have
access to it in your neck of the woods but in canada its readily available
in department stores.
i have used it to remove scale from filters and pump parts, also i use it to
remove barnicle stains from underwater equipment.
James

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Geoff,

You can try soaking the tube in Coca Cola if it is small enough. I have used it to clean my diving equipment.

cheers,
esther

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: RHS London Orchid Show List of Exhibitors.
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Mornin' all,

I just do not believe what I have just read in an E-mail from the RHS.

Have a look for yourselves.

> Dear Roger,

> The complete list of exhibitors who will be attending has not yet been
> finalised but as you have expressed an interest we will send a copy to
> you by email towards the end of February.

> I hope this helps and that you enjoy the show

> With kind regards

> Barney Warrington

> Shows Ticketing & Customer care Manager RHS

Maybe my explanation of RHS was correct after all......Retired Horticultural Sloth's. What good will it be if I get it at the end of February? I will leave you to have your say !!!

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The List.
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Mornin' all,

I have just replied to the letter that I received from the RHS......here it is.

> Hello Barney,

> Thanks for the offer of the 'List', however, as a keen hobbyist who hopes
> to buy some orchids from nurseries from far away it is almost useless and
> I am not being rude, but just pointing out that most of the nurseries
> from 'abroad' need my order by something like the middle of January.

> Do you ever have a list of such nurseries; available to be E-mailed to
> people who may contact you for this information so that they can order in
> good time? This being as early as possible.

> I note that you are the 'Customer Care Manager' and I wonder if you
> yourself realise how important this information is to people who would
> like to order plants from far away, especially those plants that each and
> every one of us would love to have. I would also add that quite often
> 'The Manager' is not kept informed about some items !!!

> Kind regards, Roger.

What do you all say !!!

Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: FW: RE: FW: Mar2008Orchid Show
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

After corresponding with the RHS Show manager here is his list.Regards Dennis

showscustomercare@rhs.org.uk wrote:

Dear Mr Read,

I have been able to obtain the latest list of confirmed exhibitors from the show manager, not all details have been verified and I#m afraid it is not very well presented for you but I hope that this may help you order any plants you may wish to

Kind regards

Barney Warrington

Heritage Orchids4 Hazel Close MarlowBucksSL7 3PW
South East Orchid Society10 Regent StreetRolvenden CranbrookKentTN17 4PE
Thames Valley Orchid Society30 Acorn GroveRuislip MiddxHA4 6PL
Orchideen TonnMeierbreite 2 D-37249 Neu Eichenberg GERMANY
Kendolie Agri-tech Co LtdNo 73-6, Mu ChangNa Ba LiShinhua TownshipTainan County 712TAIWAN
Writhlington Business and Enterprise SchoolRadstock Bath BA3 3NQ
Akerne OrchidsLaarsebeekdreef 4B-2900 Schoten BELGIUM
Floralia − Hans Lucke OrchideenEstrada da Floralia592 Niteroi Rio de Janerio 24140-216BRAZIL
Burnham Nurseries LtdForches Cross Newton AbbotDevonTQ12 6PZ
Asendorfer OrchideenzuchtMuhlenstr. Nr.9 Asendorf 27330GERMANY
Rio Caura Orchids 2002Av. Los Carmenes 32El Cementerio Caracas 1040VENEZUELA
Orchideen KopfHindernburgstrabe 15 Deggendorf 94469GERMANY
Laurence Hobbs Orchids LtdBailiffs Cottage NurseryHophurst Lane Crawley DownWest SussexRH10 4LN
Southern Counties Orchid Society82 Farnhurst Road BarnhamWest SussexPO22 0JW
Ivens Orchids LtdGreat Barn DellSt Albans Road SandridgeHertsAL4 9LB
Orchid Society of Great Britain30 Acorn GroveRuislip MiddxHA4 6PL
Deva OrchidsLittle Brook FarmStryt IsaPen-y-fforddChester CH4 0JY
Peruanino / PerufloraAllamanda 142Surco Lima 33PERU
McBeans LtdCooksbridge LewesEast SussexBN8 4PR
Pazuzu Extreme FloraCarillonlaan 213438 RC Nieuwegein NETHERLANDS
David Stead OrchidsGreenscapes Horticultural CentreBrandon Crescent, Shadwell LeedsWest YorksLS17 9JH
Laneside Alpine & Hardy Orchid Nursery74 Croston RoadGarstang Preston PR3 1HR
Rollke OrchideenzuchtFlossweg 1133758 Schloss Holte GERMANY
Lea Valley Orchid Society3 Burleigh Road Hertford SG13 7HA
The Royal Horticultural SocietyGlass DepartmentRHS Garden Wisley WokingSurreyGU23 6QB
Ratcliffe OrchidsPitcot LaneOwslebury WinchesterHantsSO21 1LR
Orchis Floriculturing Inc11-2 Niou Chour Buu, Yuh Feng TsuenShan-Shang Shiang Tainan Hsien 74303 TAIWAN
K J OrchidsLykkegaardsvej 365 8472 Sporup DENMARK

Dennis Read [mailto:judgedr@fsmail.net] wrote:
Sent: 04 January 2008
To: Shows Customer Service Team

Dear Mr. Warrington, Thankyou for your response. Many of us 'Orchid nuts' try to order plants from The Far East and S. America. The Traders/Vendors/Nurseries there have to commit four months prior to the show to get Cites clearance and so their names should be known. Most European Nurseries commit to a programm two years in advance so they should be known. Maybe if you cannot get it on your web site The Orchid Review could insert a one page flier in the Nov/Dec. issue next year. The WOC in Miami have published their list. Peterborough in July will soon publish their list and hopefully the BOC Congress in October will publish a list as usual. Maybe next year, in conjunction with the Orchid Committee a list could be issued.
Regards and a Good New Year. Dennis Read

Message Received: Jan 04 2008, 10:03 AM
showscustomercare@rhs.org.uk wrote:

Dear Mr Read,

The complete list of trade stands which will be attending has not yet been finalised but as you have expressed an interest we will send a copy to you by email towards the end of February.

I hope this helps and that you enjoy the show

With kind regards

Barney Warrington
Shows Ticketing & Customer care Manager
RHS

Dennis Read wrote
Sent: 02 January 2008
To: Info

For the shows dept. Please advise where you have published the list of Trade Stands attending the show. All shows through out the world provide this information.
Regards D. E, Read Mem. No. 352677

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: New email
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

my new email address is

pfowler57@uwclub.net

my old address was

peterfowler57@tiscali.co.uk

Thanks

Peter Fowler

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

I'll try it − the pipe is detachable, and in fact not even in the greenhouse
at the moment .

I had thought of the bathroom descalers , but doubted if they would be
strong enough.

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote on 03 January 2008:

> Geoff,

> Can then blocked pipe be isolated so that the solution that you put through
> it does no harm to your plants etc. ???

> If so, then try a solution of 'Harpic'.....and I do not take the micky. My
> friend and I used this many years ago, and it sure did unblock the pipe.
> And of course it is so cheap and easy to get.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

What a remarkable idea − I've never liked the stuff, and if it will do this,
then I was right to be wary !.

If Rogers idea doesn't work, I'll put it on my shopping list

geoff

Esther Koh wrote on 04 January 2008:

> Geoff,

> You can try soaking the tube in Coca Cola if it is small enough. I have used
> it to clean my diving equipment.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The List.
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Hi all,

As you have no doubt seen, Dennis and I have 'The List' such that it is !!!!!!!!!! A bloody disgrace. If I produced a list like that I would be ashamed of it and expect the sack.

I received this reply:
Hello Roger,

I have been able to obtain the latest list of confirmed exhibitors from the show manager, not all details have been verified and I'm afraid it is not very well presented for you but I hope that this may help you order any plants you may wish to

Kind regards

Full marks to Barney, but I wonder just who the 'Show Manager' is ???? I wonder if it is one Sean Moore?

Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] FW: RE: FW: Mar2008Orchid Show
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Well done Dennis # persistent water wears away the stone ! Mind you , the e-mail addresses would have been an advantage # others put those in # who wants to write a letter to Taiwan !

geoff

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Geoff,
I would have thought that any domestic, the kind you use for kettles ect, descaler would suffice. If the blades are not detachable and if you can remove the unit from the greenhouse, then make up a solution and pump or run it though the unit. I have successfully done this for a area (Lawn type) irrigation unit. There are many commercial /domestic solution available. Google Descaler.

Ronbow.

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From: Tony Garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Un-blocking tubes and nozzels
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Geoff,

I use a product bought in the supermarket (Tesco in our case)...

VIAKAL

It is great for unblocking the very fine nozzels I use for misting. I
immerse them in a suitably shaped container into which I add the liquid.

Excellent results.

Tony G.

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From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The List.
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008

Roger,
I have followed this 'thread' with an increasing degree of incredulity.
Surely the RHS must have better systems than this? After all, they have
been doing these shows for how many decades?

But then I think of the Problems some University Courses have getting
students enrolled on the correct campus because of
the so-called International Departments where at the end of the day it
is a problem of "Communication"!!!

I suspect that is what the problem is here!
However, one expects that the RHS charges a fee to allow the trade
stands to sell their wares. As such, surely the RHS has a duty to the
Trade to advertise this fact?

If I were a nurseryman and paid good money for a stand, I would expect
some degree of promotion greater than is being given at this moment of
time!

Tony G.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The List.
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008

Mornin' Tony

How well you have worded your article. Full marks mate.

I totally agree with you, especially the part about the visiting nurseries
expecting their produce to be advertised.

This is why I keep banging the door so to speak.

It would be so easy [RHS please note] to include 'The List' on their
Website. But hell, not that disgusting effort, woops, forget the word
'effort' as none was apparently used.

And as Geoff said about 'The List' that Dennis and I received, why no E-mail
addresses, why no websites???

Total mismanagement.

Regards, Rocky.

"tony garthwaite" wrote on Friday, January 04:

> Roger,
> I have followed this 'thread' with an increasing degree of incredulity.
> Surely the RHS must have better systems than this? After all, they have
> been doing these shows for how many decades?
>
> But then I think of the Problems some University Courses have getting
> students enrolled on the correct campus because of
> the so-called International Departments where at the end of the day it is
> a problem of "Communication"!!!
>
> I suspect that is what the problem is here!
> However, one expects that the RHS charges a fee to allow the trade stands
> to sell their wares. As such, surely the RHS has a duty to the Trade to
> advertise this fact?
>
> If I were a nurseryman and paid good money for a stand, I would expect
> some degree of promotion greater than is being given at this moment of
> time!

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From: Ed Deckert
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008

It might be the Phosphoric Acid content in Coca Cola (and in other soft drinks) that works to clean the scale. I have been told that Pepsi Cola is a little more caustic than Coca Cola, but I have never tried to prove it either way.

Ed

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Corrosion
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008

Geoff, Are you sure it is scale? Way back I had a water softener and ran into salt troubles. It usuall goes into back flush at night when not in use. If it is used in this cycle it allows salt water to flow out. Brass and salt do not like each other and the brass corrodes. Have you checked if it is hardness or corrosion.
Regards from soft water \devon. Dennis

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Show lists
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008

Having got a list let us stop complaining and do something. For the next RHS Orchid Show I have contacted Lucinda Lachlin ( EMail lucindalachlin@rhs.org.uk ) who is secretary to the RHS Orchid Committee, asking her to organise early lists for next year. A polite request from others may help.
I am sure Dick Hartley will have the Peterborough Show list organised.
As BOGA is for British growers it may be inappropriate.
We need to contact thr Show Secretary for the BOC Congress in October to get our request in early. Does anyone have a name.
Regards from Devon where my water butts are full. Dennis

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008

I can't be very bright I think − kettle descaler is so obvious − I keep it
in the house and use it periodically a I dislike seeing pieces of scale
floating around in the bottom of the kettle.

Actually, the tube is completely detachable, and in fact has been soaking in
coca-cola all day − I'll see what its like tomorrow. It is aluminium by the
way, not brass as I first suggested. If not clear , then it's the kettle
stuff for it.

Geoff

Ron Bower wrote on 04 January:

> Geoff,

> I would have thought that any domestic, the kind you use for kettles ect,
> descaler would suffice. If the blades are not detachable and if you can
> remove the unit from the greenhouse, then make up a solution and pump or
> run it though the unit. I have successfully done this for a area (Lawn type)
> irrigation unit. There are many commercial /domestic solution available.
> Google Descaler.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Corrosion
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008

The tube is aluminium apparently # and it would be surprising if there were no ( what is the equivalent of verdigris on copper ?) surface corrosion somewhere . The #scale# of course is just assumption on my part . If all else fails Jaybird will send me a replacement, it will only cosat pence in postage # its about 1/8inch outside dia, and only 5 inches long , but unfortunately with a right angle bend in the middle.

geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Show lists − and BOC Devon − this year
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008

I can help here , as I have had an invitation (!) to attend.

The Registrar is Sue Lane who will surely know the Show Committee people.

I have sent a message as below but as you say , repetition of this question may accelerate results.

> Thank you for the kind invitation to the forthcoming event.

> I am very hopeful of being able to register, book and attend , but there
> is some question of a special family occasion around that time which
> could conflict , and I don#t want to book and then withdraw , so I will
> hold off for a while, hoping that the other dates will be settled quite
> soon.

> Whilst writing , may I ask you to pass a message to whoever is
> appropriate in the Show Committee ? I hope that it will be possible to
> issue a list of foreign ( if not UK) nurseries who will be attending ,
> with e-mail addresses. I myself, along with a good few other keener
> growers do like to find out what people abroad have to offer and send in
> pre-show orders in sufficient time for them to get their CITES − which
> some people tell me takes 4 months or even 6 months in USA for example -
> and then bring plants # which otherwise they would not have brought.

> Of course this does help the Show # it makes these people keener to come !

> Regards,

> Geoff Hands

geoff

Dennis Read wrote on 05 January:

> ...We need to contact thr Show Secretary for the BOC Congress in October
> to get our request in early. Does anyone have a name.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008

Coke worked !

geoff

Geoffrey Hands wrote on 05 January:

> I can't be very bright I think − kettle descaler is so obvious − I keep it
> in the house and use it periodically a I dislike seeing pieces of scale
> floating around in the bottom of the kettle.

> Actually, the tube is completely detachable, and in fact has been soaking in
> coca-cola all day − I'll see what its like tomorrow. It is aluminium by the
> way, not brass as I first suggested. If not clear , then it's the kettle
> stuff for it.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008

Geoff,
According to the quality of your eyesight (and you let me have your microscope!) you might try one of a couple of options at mechanically clearing the bore;
a)You are antique enough to remember Primus stoves and the mounted wire 'pricker' for clearing the jet (OK, OK, so you're not a hoarder of junkfrom the 60s that may have come in useful in half a century on).
b) a friendly garage might have a wire proble used for cleaning diesel injectors.
In either case, I don.t need to tell you how careful you need to be to avaoid damage to the brass orificer profile.

I could let you have an exceedingly fine twist drill (I think 0.2mm is the finest I have) if you have a pin vice to hold it in while you perform the operation.

I must say, Esther's Coke suggestion sounds sensible although you could try HP sauce (possibly under pressure!). It's just as caustic and you might even like it! No doubt cleans the digestive tract as efficiently as Coke too!

'appy New Year n all that
John

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: London Orchid Show − exhibitors
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008

I have searched for − and found − the e-mail address of all the foreign
exhibitors , and sent them all − with one exception − see below − a message
saying.

> Do you have a catalogue or list of orchids, from which myself and some of my
> friends can pre-order , so that you can bring the plants to London for
> payment and collection ?
>
> Regards
>
> Geoffrey Hands

The exception is Akerne Orchids − because they have an excellent on-line
catalogue , and you can use that to compile a list of anything you want them
to bring ( but you may need to ask if they actually have it − the supply is
not unlimited and I expect that they only update the catalogue
periodically.)

With the others, I'll post , with an attachment, as and when I hear from any
of them.

Geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008

As I chemist I use a solution of Citric Acid rather than Phosphoric acid which is Coca Cola. Citric acid is mild and will not corrode the metal, like Hydrochloric , Sulphuric or Nitric acid.
You can buy it from most chemists or Beer making shops!
A 15-20% w/v (weight for volume) solution should do.
Happy New year to all.

Peter Fowler, UK, Alton, near Winchester.

Geoffrey Hands wrote on Sunday, January 06:
RE: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...

> Coke worked !

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: You'll love this − all you admirers of the wonderful RHS.
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008

The first reply I had from one of the nurseries 'attending the London Orchid
Show' is that... wait for it .. They are NOT attending the London Show ,

> you can see my list www.orchideen-tonn.de

> but I don´t come to the London show this year, because there is an other
> orchid show at the same weekend in Dresden.

> It is no problem to send plants to Great Britain

> Best regards

> Wolfram Tonn

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008

Thanks to all. However, when I removed the tube from its bath of coca cola,
I and washed the gunge off , I found that there was a neat semi-circular
slot milled in the tube − apparently it had been rubbing on the fan shaft
which spins at 10,000 rpm.

Now that the bore is clean, water can flow through , but still doesn't get
to the fan blades, because it leaks from the slot. So over to Jaybird for a
spare. Still, I know two things for the future − coco-cola is a great
purger for gunge, and keep the tube away from the spindle.

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: FW: E-mail To ORCHIS FLORICULTURING INC.
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008

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From: ORCHIS FLORICULTURING INC.
Sent: 07 January 2008
To: 'Geoffrey Hands'
RE: E-mail To ORCHIS FLORICULTURING INC.

Dear Geoffrey,

Good day to you.

Please look over the attachment.

They are our catalogues.

The price in our catalogues is not including shipping fee.

If there is any question, please feel free to contact with us.

Thank you for the time.

Best Regard,

Vicky Chang

ORCHIS FLORICULTURING INC.
No. 11-2 Niou Chour Buu, Yuh Feng Tsuen,
Shan-Shang Shiang, Tainan Hsien 74303,
Taiwan R.O.C.
TEL:+886-6-5781358
FAX:+886-6-5781450
WEBSITE:www.orchis.com.tw
EMAIL: orchis.service@msa.hinet.net

Geoffrey Hands wrote on Sunday, January 06, 2008
To: orchis.service@msa.hinet.net
Subject: E-mail To ORCHIS FLORICULTURING INC.

> Do you have a catalogue or list of orchids − from which myself and some of
> my friends can pre-order , so that you can bring the plants to London for
> payment and collection ?

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] You'll love this − all you admirers of the wonderful RHS.
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008

Hi Geoff,

I'm not in the least surprised at the information that you have come upon, and as for your 'Subject', well..........I am becoming increasingly amazed at how poor a service they put out, and also I am becoming more and more aware that there is one big heap of a problem for someone, or some people to sort out.

Of course, this big burden could be much easier to bear if SOMEONE in the RHS asked for some help and assistance.

Let's face it, there are literally thousands of us 'Out there' who would be willing to help.

Wonder if they will take up the challenge ?????

Rocky.

Geoffrey Hands wrote on Sunday, January 06:

> The first reply I had from one of the nurseries "attending the London
Orchid Show" is that... wait for it .. They are NOT attending the London Show −

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008

Geoff,
Hope you succeeded with the orifice descaling!
Apart from the inconvenience in your particular micro-jet problem, I have to say that I am somewhat more comdortable when the local water scales pipes rather than cleans them. I recall the general disgust expressed by strangers to our tea room at work; tea gradually blackened the insides of cups and the teaspoons. My usual reaction was to ask if they'd prefer that their cups were whiter after each brew consumed but they never seemed to appreciate the point.
I suspect my hydrofogger is the same as yours (we got it after having seen yours) and so I must inspect it for the same problem. Of course, ours'll be bunged up with green algae − then what'll we do?
Cheers
John

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From: glen jamieson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: london show
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008

Hi All,
My first post .So here goes M&M orchideen will be at London,Peterborough & Reading ,the RHS should be ashamed of their selves.
Regards glen

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: FW: Peruvian Orchids for Sale, 2008
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008

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From: Sales Peru Flora
Sent: 07 January 2008
To:
Re: Peruvian Orchids for Sale, 2008

Hello Mr. Hands:

Attached is our current list of plants and flasks.

Orders to be carried to the London Orchid Show will be accepted until
January 15th. A 20% on the total value of the order will be added to cover
export and import expenses, transportation and paperwork. If you plan to
attend the show, we can pick them up in London, if not we can send them by
mail.

We will also attend the Budapest Show (April), and the Monte Porzio Show, in
Italy, also in April. These are two good chances to take your plants and
ship them by mail if you happen not to attend. Orders to these shows are
accepted until February 25th.

Please feel free to share our list with your friends.

Wishing you a great 2008, and looking forward to hearing from you, best
regards from Lima,

Manolo Arias

Peruflora

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008

Jaybird are sending me a replacement − $21.50 inc airmail − very quick
service as usual ( although not invariably − there are gremlins about
everywhere ! ).

Algae ? I would have though bleach would do the trick ?

Geoff

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] suggestions please − descaling hydrofogger ...
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008

Yes! Only windin' you up Geoff. I thought I'd not convinced you before Christmas that green algae grow in dark micro-'oles!
Cheers. Happy ew Year.
John

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