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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Ooops-apologies
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007

Apologies Tricia and to members of Orchid Talk. The mysterious recent
message resulted from my idle use of an old email for a reply without
noticing that it was via OT!

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Ooops-apologies
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007

Not to worry, John − with Geoff away things have been pretty quiet so it
gave us something to think about!

The Cattleya gaskelliana is a first flowering for me − huge flowers and very
fragrant. I am very pleased with it.

Cattleya maxima − 6 very large fragrant flowers on a rather modest sized
plant. It had only 2 flowers last year so it is obviously happy with what I
am doing − however I can't help thinking that sometimes the flowers are more
elegant when there are ferew of them. I am thinking of disbudding some of
these big clusters ... we do it with carnations and chrysanthemums!

Cattleya Netrasiri Beauty. Strong perfume and very heavy substance and
fantastic colour.

Vascostylis Thai Sky I think I have probably put this one on before − this
is the 3rd flowering this year − a superb plant!

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Ooops-apologies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007

Not sure if being regarded as a stand-in for Geoff is a compliment or not. I
must consult him when he returns!
Cheers
John

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] a few photos
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007

Lovely pictures of the flowers Andy. What is your day night temperatures?
Gordon.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: I'm OK- so far , despite the typhoon
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007

I have not been able to read my mail for some days , as I was travelling along the Yangtze river for 500 miles. But now at Shanghai have caught up with civilisation with a bang ( really a bang − the bullet train from the airport does 250mph...!). However, BBC World TV- which I have just looked at for the news from home, says that a Grade 4 typhoon is about to hit Shanghai with winds of 260kph − which will account for the several inchs of rain which fell whilst I was on a walking tour of part of the city today ... I have not been so wet since I was taught to swim fully clothed as a boy scout ! Accvording to the BBC several hundred people have been evacuated . Yoiu woulkd not think it in this hotel or looking out into the street. Everything seems perfectly normal....

Hotel has the lobby decorated with Renanthera sprays − must be the flowers from a whole field of them ! But the yellow oncidiums turned out to be plastic.

This is real tropical country − temperature up to 39 C in the Summer. The locals say it really gets hotter than that , but the law is that they don't have to work if it is 40 or over, so it never gets to that officially !

I was hoping to get to the flower market before I move on , and maybe see some orchids then , but if ir really is windy , thwn I shall be windy too ( in a different sense) r and not leave the hotel until I know the airport is actually open and my plane will be there and ready, and then scamper as quick as possible.

From: "WOOD, Michael \(WG\)"
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: mail
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007

Anyone know anything about Caularthron Bicornutum ( virgin orchid ) ??
I saw a few growing wild on Tobago recently ...... Seems that giant
stinging ants live in the pseudobulb ( allegedly ) ?

From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] a few photos
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007

Beautiful cattleyas, Andy! None of mine are in flower at the moment so I'm
jealous.
I have a pink vascostylis that is on its second flowering. I'll try to send
a pic' tomorrow.

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] a few photos
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007

MNW is 15 degrees and MDW is 18. When the temperature gets to 25 the
extractor fans cut in so the maximum day temps are in the upper 20s
although on very sunny days it may go higher for a while

> Lovely pictures of the flowers Andy. What is your day night temperatures?
> Gordon.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Caultarthron bicornutum.
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007

I have always been an admirer of this lovely orchid, and on two occasions I have tried to grow it and both failed.

Then, a few years ago my wife and I were staying with friends in Barbados and our friend and her sister-in-law also grew this orchid.

When I say they grew it..........they sure did. Of course the climate is 'slightly' different than ours.

I always try to very observant when it needs it, and so I did notice how HOLLOW the bulbs were, this in fact was my downfall with both of my efforts.

If anyone buys this plant, do try and see if their are plenty of roots, as the HOLLOW bulbs do not have much 'muscle' to produce new ones.

The piece that I brought back from Barbados was like this and the plant did not put out any new roots, or in fact a new growth.

For my 'Five-penneth', I would say that if anyone buys this plant try to get a piece with a good root system and possibly a new growth.

From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Coelogyne pandurata hot to polinate
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007

I have polinated many Cats, Onc, Paphs... and even other Coelogynes, I have 3 very happy Coelogyne panduratas But I have not had any of them polinate succsesfully, Any tricks or secrets,stand on my left foot and say nice things about the queen didn't help.

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne pandurata hot to polinate
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007

You could try contacting Dr. Richard (Dick) Warren.
Equatorial Plant Co.
Peter Fowler, UK

From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne pandurata hot to polinate
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007

Jim,
Coelogyne pandurata has bedeviled me also. Over the last several
years I have tried crosses with 7 or 8 other species, including C.
asperata, and and backcrosses to plants labelled Coel Burfordiense
and Coel. South Carolina. I have used combinations of C. pandurata
from various provenances, those mostly from Borneo and Sumatra,
though, of course, dealer information is almost always suspect. As
yet I have not tried to remake Coel. Albanense. Note that Burnham's
Coel. Green Dragon in 1992 has C. pandurata as a parent; if you
inquire with them on what happened, I too would be interested.

I have tried using flowers in apical and mid-inflorescence areas, new
flowers, several day old flowers, pollination in the morning, mid-day
and late afternoon, on hot and sunny days, on cloudy days, and
various combinations. Though, statistically, I still have many
combinations to go if I so choose. So far the best that I have
received are capsules with less than 1% apparently viable embryos;
not enough to make it economically worthwhile to flask. For me
anyway, successful pollination seems a matter of dumb luck, or a
trick that I have yet to discover myself.

From: Paul Johnson
Subject: Fwd: Revision of CITES regulations effective 9/24/2007
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007

The attached information arrived today and may be of some interest to
many of us that import/export involving the U.S. I have not yet read
the full regulations and so may be missing some fine interpretation,
but this synopsis bodes ill for everyone except the bureaucrats.

I should draw special attention to the paragraph entitled "Use of
CITES species. . ." and "Personal and household effects. . ."

> Fwd: Revision of CITES regulations effective 9/24/2007
>
>
>> Date: September 20, 2007
>> To: PERMIT-L@SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU
>> Subject: FW: Revision of CITES regulations effective 9/24/2007
>> Reply-To: Scientific Permits issues
>>
>> September 18, 2007
>>
>> Subject: Revision of U.S. CITES Regulations
>>
>> Background: On August 23, 2007, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
>> Service (Service) published afinal rule updating regulations that
>> implement the Convention on International Trade in Endangered
>> Species (CITES) in the United States (50 CFR Part 23). These
>> regulations incorporate resolutions that have been adopted by
>> CITES member nations since the late 1970s and that have already
>> been put into effect over the years.
>>
>> Written in plain language, the new regulations provide a
>> comprehensive, easy-to-use guide on how to trade in CITES species.
>> Most parts of the new regulations explain procedures and
>> requirements that are already in effect. A few provisions,
>> however, are new and may change some aspects of how individuals,
>> businesses, and institutions import and export CITES species.
>>
>> Action: The Service#s revised CITES regulations go into effect
>> on September 24, 2007. We strongly encourage all those who import
>> or export CITES species to review these regulations as they may
>> clarify existing procedures and provide a better understanding of
>> permit requirements, recordkeeping, permit validity, and other
>> aspects of trading in CITES-listed wildlife and plants.
>>
>> Although these regulations for the most part restate current CITES
>> requirements and Service policies and procedures that have already
>> been implemented, we call attention to the following changes:
>>
>> Validation (## 23.23(c)(21), 23.26(c)(18), and 23.27): The
>> appropriate inspection authority must validate all CITES documents
>> at the time of export or re-export. (Such validation confirms that
>> the actual quantity of CITES specimens in the shipment does not
>> exceed the quantity authorized for trade on the CITES document.)
>> The Service will no longer accept CITES documents for imports of
>> CITES species that have not been validated; such shipments will be
>> considered unlawful and may be detained or seized.
>>
>> Required information for CITES documents (# 23.23): The new
>> regulations specify that CITES documents must contain certain
>> required information to be considered valid. Some required
>> information must appear on all CITES documents (e.g., date of
>> issue and expiration; complete description of the specimen;
>> scientific name; a unique document control number; the complete
>> name and address of the exporter and importer, including country;
>> purpose of the transaction; quantity, etc.). The regulations also
>> specify certain additional information that must appear on
>> specific types of CITES documents.
>>
>> Use of CITES species after import (# 23.55): The new regulations
>> clarify that any conditions placed on the use of CITES specimens
>> at the time of import will continue to determine the allowable use
>> of CITES wildlife or plants once they are in the United States.
>> Since most Appendix I and certain Appendix II specimens (for
>> example, those listed under the U.S. Endangered Species Act) can
>> only be imported for noncommercial purposes, any subsequent use of
>> those specimens, including transfer, donation, or exchange, must
>> also be noncommercial.
>>
>> Registration of commercial breeding operations for Appendix I
>> species (# 23.46): The new regulations require operations that
>> breed Appendix I wildlife for commercial purposes to be registered
>> with the Service for each Appendix I species maintained at the
>> operation. Registered breeding operations will be able to export
>> Appendix I species for commercial purposes with a CITES export
>> permit; no import permit will be required.
>>
>> In the past, most U.S. commercial breeders of Appendix I wildlife
>> have applied for permits under Article III of the treaty instead
>> of registering their operations. In the future, the Service will
>> issue permits to such applicants under this article only in
>> exceptional circumstances.
>>
>> Caviar labeling (# 23.71): The new regulations implement the CITES-
>> recommended universal labeling system for containers of sturgeon
>> and paddlefish caviar. Sturgeon caviar imports, exports, and re-
>> exports must bear non-reusable labels affixed by the caviar
>> processing plant in the country of origin showing all of the
>> following information: a standardized species code; source code;
>> two-letter ISO code of the country of origin; year of harvest; and
>> processing plant code and identification number. The regulations
>> also codify labeling requirements for caviar that has been
>> repackaged before export or re-export.
>>
>> Definition of sport-hunted trophy (# 23.74(b)): The new
>> regulations define sport-hunted trophy as the "raw or tanned parts
>> of a specimen that was taken by a hunter, who is also the
>> importer, exporter, or re-exporter, during a sport hunt for
>> personal use." The definition goes on to clarify that bones,
>> claws, hair, head, hide, hooves, horns, meat, skull, teeth, tusks,
>> or any taxidermied part (such as a rug or taxidermied head,
>> shoulder, or full mount) will be considered sport-hunted trophies.
>> Handicraft items or items manufactured from the trophy for
>> utilitarian use (such as clothing, curios, ornamentation, and
>> jewelry) cannot be imported or exported as sport-hunted trophies.
>>
>> Tagging (## 23.69(c), 23.70(d), and 23.74(d)): The new
>> regulations state that self-locking tags (such as those required
>> for certain skins and hides imported as sport-hunted trophies)
>> must actually be inserted through the skin.
>>
>> Personal and household effects (# 23.5 and # 23.15): The new
>> regulations provide a more detailed explanation of how people may
>> travel with personal CITES items and move them when they change
>> residence from one country to another. The regulations define
>> personal and household effects and clarify when such items are
>> exempt from CITES permit requirements.
>>
>> Personal effects (which include tourist souvenirs lawfully
>> purchased overseas) are specifically defined as dead wildlife or
>> plant specimens worn as clothing or accessories or carried by
>> travelers in the baggage that accompanies them on the same plane,
>> train, or other conveyance. Items must meet specific criteria
>> cited in the regulations (see below); specimens that are mailed or
>> shipped separately do not qualify for the exemption.
>>
>> Household effects consist of dead wildlife or plant specimens that
>> are shipped as part of a household move and that meet other
>> requirements cited in the regulations (see below). Such items must
>> have been acquired before owners change their residence, and they
>> must be imported or exported within one year of the change of
>> residence.
>>
>> The regulations specify that the exemption for personal and
>> household effects does not apply to live specimens (including eggs
>> and seeds) or to specimens listed in Appendix I (except for
>> certain pre-Convention worked African elephant ivory). Nor does it
>> apply if the importing, exporting, or re-exporting country
>> requires a CITES document (some CITES member nations have not
>> exempted personal and household effects from permit requirements).
>> The items must be for personal use (not commercial use, as defined
>> in # 23.5), and the quantity and nature must be reasonably
>> appropriate for the trip or move.
>>
>> The regulations also identify specimens for which CITES member
>> nations have set limits on the number that may be imported or
>> exported as personal and household effects. These specimens
>> include sturgeon caviar, seahorses, crocodilian parts and
>> products, queen conch and giant clam shells, and cacti rainsticks.
>> When quantities of these items exceed the established limits, a
>> CITES document will be required for the entire amount (not just
>> the items in excess of the limit).
>>
>> Contact:
>> U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
>> Office of Law Enforcement
>> 703-358-1949; 703-358-2271 (fax)
>> lawenforcement@fws.gov (email)
>>
>> Modified on September 18, 2007
>>
>> # Privacy/Disclaimer Statement # FOIA

Does anyone know what this stands for? It is a Vanda/Ascocenda type orchid,
but which genera are involved? Furthermore, is there a listing of all the
abbreviations used for the orchid crosses, somewhere on the internet?
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne pandurata hot to polinate
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007

Jim,Like you I have had limited sucess with pollinating Ceologyne. I am not a biologist so I do not know the correct terms but under the pollina on the column there is a flap that covers a cavity that the pollina should enter. I remove the pollina then wait for half an hour before inserting the pollina under the flap. I understand that the delaay is a built in mechanism to protec the orchid from self pollination. many times the pod starts but then dies.
The nearest relative is Pleione but I know of no registered hybrids. The difficulty of hybridising Coelogynes is plain to see as so few are registered.
Regards

From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] KAGAWARA
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007

Hi Peter -
This site has fairly up-to-date hybrid abbreviations
and lists the genera that go into each
http://www.orchids.mu/Glossary/Glossary_A.htm
Kagawara Kgw − Ascocentrum + Renanthera + Vanda
Regards − Nancy (in Lafayette, LA, USA)

~~~~~~~~~~~
"You can lead a horticulture
but you can't make her think."
− Dorothy Parker

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coelogyne pandurata hot to polinate
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007

A member of the Wessex OS , Dudley Clayton , has written a book on Coelogynes with Phil Cribb and is an avid collector. He may have more information about pollinating them. Some genera will just not self at all, like Dendrobiums.
Peter Fowler, UK

From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: The nearest relative (to coelogyne) is Pleione
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007

So no one alse has had much success with coelogyne, It doesn't make me feel but just a little less crazy.

Dennis Read brought up another interesting question: The nearest relative (to coelogyne) is Pleione. I have Robert Dresslers book on taxonomy but he doesn't go into the Asian species much. Any ideas where Is there a good refrence on the nearest relatives (to coelogyne)? any on the web?

From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phrag kovachii for sale
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007

Last of my lot − see eBay listing 220151987620, ending 22-Sep-07A020:24:40
BST.

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2007 Archived Messages

15—21 September