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1—7 September

From: Gordon
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Name please
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Apologies for not mentioning the word "paph".
The flash does not do justice to the near black colour.
Gordon.

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From: LEONARD HANDLEY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] P.P.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Hi Rocky
I have bought small quantities (25grm) from a local pharmacy for about £1.
I couldn't get a larger size locally but have just bought a 250gm jar from thekoishop.co.uk. phone 01202 823042 for about £9 plus carriage.
Len

Roger Grier wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> If I purchased some P.P. and mixed it in a watering can and watered the
> capillary matting, do you think that it would deter any nasty growth
> etc.
>
> Final question. Is it also called Potassium Permanganate, and the
> best/easiest place to buy it.
>
> Oh, yes, and the dosage.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Hi,

Has anyone had experience of this compost? A member of our Society in South
Wales bought a 70 litre bag of this directly from Growth Technolody earlier
this year and has been very pleased with the results he has achieved with it.
I was lucky enough to win a sample of this compost in the raffle at our
society meeting recently and I was also very impressed with the product, it
seemed to have everything we were looking for in a compost, and believe me we
have tried quite a few. Our secretary Jean Lewis whom some listers may
remember, has been very diligent in sourcing all new products for us!

The problem we have now experienced is twofold, one the compost is no longer
supplied in 70 litre sacks only 10 and 3 litres which makes is rather
expensive for growers with large collections, and even worse as far as we are
concerned they have now removed one of the ingredients, i.e., Agrofoam. So now I
have been quoted £6 for a 10 litre sack of graded bark and coco (husk?).

I have spoken directly with Growth Technology, who have informed me of the
two rather conflicting statements, that they have discontinued the larger 70
litre sack as there was no demand for it, and that the agrofoam had been
removed by popular demand by a lot of societies and growers. I have to say I find
it rather surprising that societies and growers would not require the larger
size (our society is very small and already we need 5 or 6 large sacks), and
if it was sold, as I was told by garden centres I am not surprised that the
larger sacks did not sell as most of the public visiting these centres usually
only have one or two orchids that they very rarely bother to repot anyway,
and if they do get interested in orchids usually end up like the rest of us
with rather large collections and then would require more compost. Also these
are not the sort of folk that would request an ingredient be removed.

I would be very interested to hear from anybody that has used this compost
and what their thoughts on the product are.

Regards,
Wendy Sait.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] P.P.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Roger, the main reason, as far as I am concerned, for using Potassium permanganate (Permanganate of potash) is to get rid of fungiin my water butts. To use it in a watering can would be no problem other than using the small amount that would be needed in one gallon. One mm on the end of a penknife should be sufficient to turn the water pink and that is all that is needed. If you get it on your hands they will turn brown. Regards

"Roger Grier" wrote:

> ...If I purchased some P.P. and mixed it in a watering can and watered
> the capillary matting, do you think that it would deter any nasty growth
> etc.

> Final question. Is it also called Potassium Permanganate, and the
> best/easiest place to buy it.

> Oh, yes, and the dosage.

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Kodak HTML Email
Is this the right one?
See the attached picture
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Of course it is impossible to say with certainty what the hybrid name is;
it's an interesting one because it could be a true successional flowering
plant − not often seen in this colour paph.

It seems to be an inter-sectional hybrid − The genus can be divided up into
sections , each having species similar to the others in the section but
different from other sections. E.g brachypetalum is all the thick-textured
short stemmed ( brachycephalous means with no neck, I think) species -
bellatulum, concolor,niveum, etc.

The successional flowering species are cochlopetallum, and the single
flowered, usually mottled leaved section is barbata. And these are the
two groups concerned here...

The red colour , the pouch shape, and staminode all point to a lot of
P.callosum influence. (sect.Barbata)

All the "vini"" paphs − more-or-less − are bred from just two P.Callosum
plants − − cv Jac is one, I forget the other at the moment − both of them
had far more red in the dorsal than all other callosums. But callosums are
always single flowered . I have never seen a double flowered one − there are
some single flowered paph species − P.sukhakulii for example- which are
occasionally double flowered, but callosum, never. In fact I understand that
a simple chrososome count on any supposed Callosum carrying two flowers is
likely to show that it differs from the norm (n26 , as I recall).

The dorsal and ventral shapes are very callosum − quite unlike the other
likely parent ( see below) and the same applies to the petal shapes.

Successional flowering is from the cochlopetallum section of the genus ( not
to be confused with multiflowering , where all the flowrs (can) open at once
. The successional flowering cochlopetalums include − Victoria-reginae,
chamberlainianum, moquettianum, glaucophyllum and primulinum ( inc. ssp
purpurescens − which has small hairs along most of the length of the petals
on both edges ; most of the others tend to have the hairs in clumps, with
some longer ones.. The petal deformation seen may be just the way this
flower has developed , but is very commonly seen in this group..

The staminode of these species is quite different from what we see here -
more of a solid shape ( almost like a shield-bug in outline)as compared to
the bifurcated almost horseshoe of callosum and the plant here. Several
(most) of this group have apple green dorsals, and traces of this can be
seen here − especially if the pic is enlarged considerably ( I did this in
photoshop).

However, at least one parent is most probably a hybrid, if not both . e.g.
I can imagine that Honey ( prim.purpuerescens x glaucophyllum) might be one
parent, and any vini as the other.

But hybrids between these two sections are not terribly common ; I don't
know why. I have just skimmed through part of the wonderful − if now out of
date "Novelty Slipper Orchids" by Harold Koopowitz and Nory Hasegawa ( who
used to be "Paphanatics Unlimited" ) and there is little mention of using
cochlopetalum species to produce multi-flowering hybrids, although the
comment that they tend to produce small flowers may explain that − in an era
when rothschildianum was the favourite multi parent because of the
possibility of getting very big flowers ( and the downside that most hybrids
don't flower until at least 10 years old) a cross expected to have small
flowers was not commercially attractive.

Hope you find this of interest, even oif I don't end up putting a name on
it.

geoff

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Wendy , I formulated the compost for Growth Technology , they used to put my
name on the bags. Don't know if they still do.

Agro-foam was an essential ingredient in my specification.

I can't otherwise help , as I think I am now out of favour there , they
asked me to report on something different , hoping (perhaps) for an
endorsement they could quote, and I said that the product concerned was
rather a disappointment, did not do what I had hoped, and I thought it
useless for orchid growers.. Have not heard a word from them since.

Geoff

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] honey jar lids...
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Thanks for the info Geoff.
Gordon.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Memory loss.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Hi Brenda,

After about twelve hours or so my memory has responded..........at least I hope so.

Those names, I think it was Molly and Bill Pottinger. Yes, no ???

Rocky.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Ps , give my regards to Jean Lewis , and tell her we miss her in
Orchid-Talk.

geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Growth Technology.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Hi there Wendy,

Try as much as I could, I could not find anything on the Internet under 'Growth Technology' that told of an orchid compost.

Can you please tell me more as I am very interested. Needless to say, why go to all this trouble when you CAN grow your orchids superbly in stone chippings that you buy in bags from any Garden Centre. And they will outlive you and I.

Want to know more ???

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Gordon, this Paph looks very similar to one that just fininished flowering for me.
Its called, P. Statherianum. The foliage on mine is slightly different bot the flower shape and color is almost identical. I cant supply a pic of mine as my computor is away for repairs.
Had to get permission to use the wifes comp'.
Roy

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Geoff, your very interesting piece on Paphs prompts me to ask a question.
Last month someone said about Paphs that the mottled leaf ones can go down
to 10 C at night. Would you agree with this? I was told that generally
mottled leaf Paphs prefer to grow warmer than the plain leaf ones, but of
course both may be correct − it may mean that the mottled leaf ones prefer
a greater temperature drop. I would appreciate your comments.

--

Tricia

I took a course in speed waiting. Now I can wait an hour in just ten minutes...

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Kodak HTML EmailSomething similar but without the hairs on the petals and with a shinier texture.
Gordon.

PG Hieke wrote on Saturday, September 01:

> Is this the right one?
> See the attached picture

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Kodak HTML EmailA fascinating and deeply informative piece of information Geoff.
Gordon.

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From: PETER WILLIAMS
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Web site!
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Our renovated web site is now up and running. www.theorchidman.com For the Paph lovers amongst you if you go to the second page of the photo gallery you can see P. concolor and P. sukhakulii in their natural habitat!

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Growth Technology.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Roger, here is a copy of the back cover of the Orchid Review for July/August. Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Agro-foam.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Mornin' Geoff and Wendy and all,

I have been looking, reading, and digesting the bits and pieces relating to 'Agro-foam'.

Geoff, you said: Agro-foam was an essential ingredient in my specification.

Can you please tell me if the type of compost that included the Agro-foam was meant for a specific type of orchid, and also what was it meant to do.

Kind regards Rocky.

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From: N & T Burgess
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Geoff
Yes, your name is still on the bag, I purchased one last week 3 litres for less than £3 and was disappointed to find no Agro-foam present having used a sample from the show at Weston Super Mare. I used it for a milt type orchid, which seems to be happy and throwing a spike. I thought the mix wasn't so open without the foam, will have to add some of Ratcliffs foam instead.

Norma Burgess

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Hi Geoff and Rocky,

Many thanks for your prompt replies. I said to Jean yesterday at our
monthly meeting if I can guarantee I hear from anybody it will be Geoff and
Rocky! Rocky, I am sure Geoff will be able to tell you more about the
compost than I, and yes we have tried the stone chippings, in fact Jean
was a great fan and I cannot remember why she has stopped using them, if
in fact she has. I do know that she, and I think a lot of us are
returning to the old original formula of bark, peat, perlite etc. The
one big disadvantage of stone chippings is the weight. We are often
asked as a society to display our orchids at various charity, garden
shows etc., and I know for a fact that a box of six plus orchids in stone
chippings is very heavy!

Geoff, I am sorry that you think that you no longer carry any clout with
Growth Technology, I was hoping that you might persuade them to add the
agro-foam again. What I liked about the added foam was that when the
orchids are watered with just the bark and coco husk most of the water
just drops through the pot, with the added foam I found that water slowly
leached from the foam into the bark and husk and the plants stayed moist
for longer without being waterlogged. However, it seems I am in the
minority. Our chairman is tomorrow ringing Growth Technology for a
repeat of his earlier order and hoping that he can persuade them to
reinstate the vital ingredient.

I would also mention Geoff that the packet does still have your name on the
front as 'Formulated by Leading Orchid Authority Geoffrey Hands'. I
might add that I did tell them that what you dont know about orchids is
not worth knowing. I would like to know what societies, growers etc.,
requested the foam be removed. I rather feel it might be a cost cutting
thing rather than anything else. One source even mentioned that it had
been added to the large sacks as a 'bulker'.

I dont know about anybody else, but I am beginning to find growing orchids
is getting more and more difficult, the cost of heating my greenhouses is
now prohibative, and as for getting a glazier to replace broken glass
forget it. I am just fortunate that I have a husband that is very
practical.

Wendy.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

I think that the idea that mottled leaved paphs can tolerate a lower
temperature than plain leaved is something of an old chestnut.
One of those which even needs low temperatures is micranthum, and one which
doesn't seem to like flowering at all if kept cold is P. lawrenceae and
both are called mottled leaved .
Nowadays all my paphs are kept at the temperature which my vandas and
cattleyas want .....mind you, I have to admit that some of them don't like
it !

Geoff

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From: ema.orquideas Perú
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Hola Peter:

I think , it is Paphiopedilum callosum or one hibrid with this.

regards

Erica

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Memory loss.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Hello Brenda,

I awoke from my sleep last night and remembered who it was that I was trying to describe to you..........but when I awoke this morning the name had gone, damn !!!

I think they were members of the Thames Valley, but I may be wrong.

I'm sure that he did a lot of the photography for 'The Orchid Review'.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: UK nurseries
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Before we castigate the UK nurseries to much, I do not believe that they are playing on a level playing field. On the continent of europe government funds from the population is higher than UK and so companies do not have to contribute as much as UK companies and they get assistance from Common Market Funds. I also do not understand why CITES is easily interpreted on the continent as opposed to UK. In Holland and Germany you can see on the name tag ''unknown Coelogyne''. In england that could not be accepted for a CITES import.
Burnhams are also on a third generation control.
Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: P.P.
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007

Hi Len,

Thanks for the phone number, and if I am not mistaken that's the code for Bournemouth.

Maybe if I am in the area I might just pop in and get some.

And if I do, and it does deter slugs and woodlice, I will let everyone know.

Thanks Rocky.

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Hi Wendy,

One of the things that never ceases to amaze me is how little the actual
compost matters to an orchid. When I started growing I was extremely
worried that I might kill my plants by using the wrong stuff, but it
seems to me that as long as the roots get enough air, the rest follows.
I have had plants survive severe overheating and underwatering for over
a year − a few years ago, when there was quite a lot of other priorities
in my life. I've had an African Habenaria grow from seedling to
flowering, potted in coarse bark − now that I have read up on it, it
turns out to be more of a bog-orchid, and I've repotted it accordingly,
which it seems to like, but it just goes to show that the compost is
probably the least important thing for an orchid, as long as it isn't
too dense.

As you can guess, I wouldn't spend money on a compost mixed by some
company; they will always see it as their first priority to get as much
money out people for as little value as possible − it's logical, really,
this is the fundamental priciple of capitalism.

All in all I'd say − drop this product. Instead, depending on your
temperament and circumstances, buy some bark or coconut fibre, or try
out Roger Grier's chopped bedrock ;-) What I do is, I buy coarse,
decorative bark from a garden centre, then spend an afternoon seperating
it into 'chunks', 'fibres' and 'powder'; you can of course buy it
already seperated from somewhere, but this is cheaper. For coconut
fibres I usually buy coire felt (I think it is called) − except that I
scavenged my old doormat at one point, which works remarkably well.

Ready made orchid composts, like instant dinners, are not really worth
the money or the cost to your health.

/jan

WendySait@aol.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had experience of this compost? A member of our Society in
> South Wales bought a 70 litre bag of this directly from Growth
> Technolody earlier this year and has been very pleased with the results
> he has achieved with it.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Interesting − this one shouts P,dayanum at at me − I;ve never seen a red one
, but this is I suppose (?) a hybrid. Looks single flowered, not
successional. ?

geoff

PG Hieke wrote on 01 September:

> Is this the right one?

> See the attached picture

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Growth Technology.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Hi Dennis,

Many thanks for the article.

Rocky.

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From: Brenda Beale BB
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Names
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Hi Roger
There was a Molly & Bill Pottinger Molly died a few years ago. The Hybridist I was thinking of was Jo Kelleher her husband is named Patrick. Jo is on the RHS judging Committee. Bob Elliot held the National Collection of Cattleyas. And for GEOFF HANDS it was Terrington St Clements Norfolk where Ted Lloyd had his nursery, he overstretched himself and became bankrupt in 1992, and he died of lung cancer about 3 yrs later.He didn't have any connection to the African Violet Centre, but a Lily nursery who he rented the greenhouses from bought into Teds nursery.
Brenda

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Agro-foam.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

My brief was to design a compost to repot orchids bought from garden centres
- which implies that it is most likely to be a phally (75% of them are ? ,
but could be a cymbidium, dendroboium (phalaenopsis section), cattleya or
paph.

Yeah, I know I see masdevallias and other things, but they are less than 1%
of the total.

The further implication is that the repotter is not a highly clued-up
orchidist , but an ordinary housewife/gardener/garden-centre visitor ,
without the sort of specialised knowledge we take for granted.

The compost should be long-lasting, very free draining, but nevertheless
hold water. Those last two points sound to be incompatible, but agro-foam is
the key. It is hydrophobic ( not sure I that is the right word for the
opposite of hydrophilic ! − so I'll explain ). It doesn't like water − which
runs off just like water from a duck's back. Ergo, you can dunk the plant,
leave it soaking, drain it, and -bingo − you have air spaces between the
lumps of compost because the water does not stay in the foam.

Second point. Agro-foam is spongy and resilient. You can squash it up and it
recovers its shape. So pot with a compost containing this, and push it in
with your thumbs if you want to, it will grip the plant ; firm potting is
essential. Nothing is worse than a fit of the wobblies for destroying new
root tips. And it will prevent the compost being rammed so hard that all air
spaces disappear.

It does not break-down even when the compost does.

Frankly it's the best thing since sliced bread, and as the Chancellor of the
Exchequer used to say − I reccomend this product to this house.

Geoff

Roger Grier wrote on 02 September:

> Mornin' Geoff and Wendy and all,

> I have been looking, reading, and digesting the bits and pieces relating to
> 'Agro-foam'.

> Geoff, you said: Agro-foam was an essential ingredient in my specification.

> Can you please tell me if the type of compost that included the Agro-foam
> was meant for a specific type of orchid, and also what was it meant to do.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

You got it right in your last sentence Wendy − never be without a very
practical husband.even more important that a bag of Agro-foam ! (joke)

Geoff

Wendy Sait wrote on 02 September 2007:

> I dont know about anybody else, but I am beginning to find growing orchids
> is getting more and more difficult, the cost of heating my greenhouses is
> now prohibative, and as for getting a glazier to replace broken glass forget
> it. I am just fortunate that I have a husband that is very practical.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: FW: UK nurseries
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Before we castigate the UK nurseries to much, I do not believe that they are playing on a level playing field. On the continent of europe government funds from the population is higher than UK and so companies do not have to contribute as much as UK companies and they get assistance from Common Market Funds. I also do not understand why CITES is easily interpreted on the continent as opposed to UK. In Holland and Germany you can see on the name tag ''unknown Coelogyne''. In england that could not be accepted for a CITES import.
Burnhams are also on a third generation control.
Regards

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Nurseries
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

According to Dutch friends of mine, it continues.

Ron

Dennis Read wrote on 30 August:

> ...the Dutch went from strength to strength as their government subsidised
> the fuel cost. This meant the greenhouse industry in England flopped but
> the Dutch flourished. I doubt this still goes on but the basic industry was
> set up...

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Re; fossil orchid material from circa 80my
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007

Hi Geoff n everyone,
I still haven't seen the original article but there seems to be confusion about the age of the amber containing the bee; it might be Tertiary but with DNA enabling an estimate of time since orchids began or it may be Cretaceous resin. I must say, I have never encountered Cretaceous resin so it may still be a case of "watch this space". Even the so-called quality newspapers can't be trusted on matters scientific!
Whatever the case, it is an amazing find and must rank well up in the post 19thC orchid discoveries, perhaps ranking with michorrhizal significance. But then, I'm biased!.
I think it is the only undisputed orchid fossil and coupled with its pollinator is a stunning discovery.
John

Geoff Hands wrote on Friday, August 31:

> A ( probably) similar piece in The Times with an excellent photograph -
> the amazing thing to me was that the bee was covered with pollinia -
> not in penny numbers but dozens ( will try and retrieve the copy from
> the recycle box, so as to be able to scan and send − if wanted ).

> Clearly the bee had visited a whole filed of flowers, and got all the
> pollen stuck to its back , without any ( of these, anyway) getting
> transferred.

> On Darwins well known thesis, I guess this species was on its way to
> rapid extinction !

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Slugs − use Car Grease on the table legs.
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Folks,

Thanks for all your wonderful suggestions, but if you put car grease nice and thick on the legs it will stop many a creature from climbing up, it is easy to locate and cheap. for those of you that really want to be sure you killl the little buggers you can mix the grease with inceticide.

Thanks,

Jim

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Geoff

They are still using your name!

If the formula is not what you designed, you must stop them , but you're the
lawyer!

Ron

Geoff Hands wrote on 01 September:

> Wendy , I formulated the compost for Growth Technology , they used to put my
> name on the bags. Don't know if they still do.

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Nurseries
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

To play devil's advocate, I think it fair to point out that horticulture in
general is the major industry in Holland − it contributes an astonishing
1/3rd of their GNP. It is, naturally, Government assisted in part.

UK does not have any one industry which is so dominant in the same way ; we
have the City of London, (financial Services sector ) Manufacturing, Tourist
Trade etc − Agriculture in all ( inc horticulture) , comes way down the list
of contributors to GNP − only 2% as I remember it, or is it 2% of the
workforce is so employed , even if it is the latter, since it is not
profitable like the money-machine of the City, the contribution to GNP
cannot be major ?

However Britain does support/subsidise or whatever you like to call it some
of our industries; when I worked − admittedly getting to be rather a long
time ago today , I often heard industry people saying they had got a grant
of so-much towards developing this or that − currently grants are handed
out/subsidies paid for anything to do with green energy.

We can't have it all ways − or at least if we do we end up where we used to
be before Margaret Thatcher. I recall suggesting at one time that if we
stopped subsidising the Nationalised Railways/Steel/Coal/Post Office/Airways
even ! etc − in all some 19 industries I think − it might be possible to
slash Income Tax from it's then top rate of 83%. Under Maggie, that's what
happened − more or less.

I think I would prefer to buy my orchids from Holland and pay 40%.rather
than turn the clock back to 1979.

Sorry − I don't want to turn this into a political rant , but there is
another point of view.

Geoff

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium fimbriatum v oculatum going for the asking...
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

My big plant of the above − had 20 or more spikes this year − had suddenly
( for the first time) produced a lot of keikis. I have some to spare − good
big single growth pieces the size of a pencil or more (with a lot of
roots).

They are going begging . Just ask − e-mail me privately with your address,
and I'll put one in an envelope for the first 6 or more who ask.

By the way, I am off on my travels in a few days , so you may not get them
until I'm back at the end of the month. I have put some into hydroculture -
most dendrobes grow very well that way , it's not unudual to flower nobile
type hybrids in the same year, if you want one of those − roots already
adapted, mention that too.

Geoff

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: FW: Dendrobium fimbriatum v oculatum going for the asking...
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Geoff

Ps. D. Stardust "Clementine" − nobile type hybrid I showed covered with
orange flowers from top-to-bottom on all 5 canes − which lasted and lasted
and lasted − has also produced masses of keikis , which (rather smaller)
have been potted up in hydroculture . Will be ready maybe after Xmas − and
I'll post again then.

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Talking of the cost of maintaining a greenhouse, my wife mad such a fuss
about our last electricity bill that I was moved to call in an installer of
photovoltaic panels so, from next weekend, I am hoping for a substantial
reduction in our bills for electricity − which will not compensate for the
cost of the installation, even after a grant for trying to reduce energy
consumption, but I shall go around wearing a 'green' halo!

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] FW: UK nurseries
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Dennis

Have you never heard of British Civil Service overkill?

Ron

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From: epric@tiscali.nl
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: new weblook epric
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

the epric foundation has finally updated his webpage and a fresh new weblook is there vissible. The coming weeks we are going to update all the information and the orchid stuff. here is the link http://www.epric.org

greetings frank

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] FW: UK nurseries
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Ron, They come under the general heading of ''Bean Counters''.Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Compost.
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Hi Wendy,

You mentioned that the stone compost was too heavy, but then what about carrying pots of garden plants to a show that are full of soil??? Just having a friendly go at you to try to get you to just pot a few orchids into stone chippings.

A few days ago, a friend of mine asked me round to have a look at his orchids.

The epiphytes such as Cattleyas, Laelias and the like were all potted in the same compost which was:

Polystyrene pieces in the bottom of the pot. Then two items were mixed together, Perlag and bark.

That makes three components. So, what do they all do??? Why not use just one component?

Have a good think about it.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name please
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

The name of my plant is Paphiopedilum Ambiente, it is a cross of
Paph. wardii x Paph. Tarentaal.
Kind regards
Peter

ema.orquideas wrote on Sunday, September 02

> I think , it is Paphiopedilum callosum or one hibrid with this.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Compost − Growth Technology.
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

I, and I am sure many others, will be interested in any savings you can show. Please let us know how it proceeds.Regards

"Ron Newstead" wrote:

> Talking of the cost of maintaining a greenhouse, my wife mad such a fuss
> about our last electricity bill that I was moved to call in an installer
> of photovoltaic panels so, from next weekend, I am hoping for a
> substantial reduction in our bills for electricity # which will not
> compensate for the cost of the installation, even after a grant for
> trying to reduce energy consumption, but I shall go around wearing a
> #green# halo!

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Vanilla orchid
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

I saw one in flower when I was in Cuba and this encouraged me to buy a plant
later in Europe. The plant is surviving but shows no signs of actually
growing. Any suggestions as to how I might improve its prospects?

Ron

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007

Hi Ron,
Why not try moving to Cuba and see what happens to your vanilla plant? Only joking, but I think that the main thing is the fact that they are very tropical and perhaps do not like the weather patterns over there!
Max.

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From: Barbara Larimer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Hi Ron, I have a vanilla orchid- acquired it in March 2007
sphagnum − which helps as I am not always as attentive to my orchids as I
should be − but that's life and they survive in spite of me. Mine is
growing like a viney weed. I've had to stake it and redirect the growth
(some 12 or more inches since March). My question seems to be how to get it
to STOP growing! I grow in the house. It sits in a humidity tray on
shelves − gets a fair amount of light through a mostly easterly facing
window. Temperatures are 60-68F in winter and 72-74F in the summer. It
hasn't bloomed yet, but I was given to understand that blooming occurs once
it has reached 4 feet or so in height. At the rate it is going, that should
be sometime next week!!

Oddly enough it was the one plant that my daughter wanted to find and buy at
our regional orchid show. There were only two and fortunately we got one of
them. It has been gratifying for her because of the rapid growth.

I will try to get a picture of it to post − but I am a LOUSY photographer so
be forewarned!

Barbara

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

It should be borne in mind that there are a lot of different vanilla species
. Two are used for culinary purposes (planifolia and monachica I thnk) − the
rest are not . I don't know why- suitability or whatever.

Presumably the flowers are different from one species to another too !.

I have only seen one in flower in the wild, and that had very attractive
flowers like small green cattleyas, or maybe one might say particularly neat
coelogynes

I understand that the ones grown to produce vanilla pods are grown on the
same sort of post and wire system as used for grape vines in full sun − in
fact they are called vanilla vines − and the rapid growth is typical of
vines !. But grapes need a lot of careful pruning to produce their best -
possibly vanilla does too ? One would need to know about whether they flower
on new growths or on spurs from old ones etc . The ones I saw produced
axillary buds with single flowers, although successional flowering from
racemes, seems to be the norm. Maybe it was just the first flowers I saw..

Maybe the best way to grow it in a greenhouse would be to let it run along
the length of the wires which you undoubtedly have (?) for hanging plants ,
but they can grow into tangled bushes if allowed..

Geoff- .

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Nurseries
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Geoff, I totally agree. The point I was making is do not berate the few nurseris trying to make a go of it in the UK without considering the full situation. . I buy my orchids from whoever is selling the plant I want UK, Dutch,South American etc.
I accept that for the last twenty years this country has survived by making money using other peoples money and making very little.
Regards

"Geoff Hands" wrote

> To play devil's advocate, I think it fair to point out that horticulture
> in general is the major industry in Holland − it contributes an
> astonishing 1/3rd of their GNP. It is, naturally, Government assisted in
> part.

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From: ema.orquideas Perú
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Hola Ron:

This is my plant.The photo is not a good picture.

The plant needed two years for the adaptation to the Lima wheather.But now, is fantastic.

The night temperature is very importat.( 15ºC ) and 25ºC in the day.

Regards

Erica

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Compost.
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Hi all,

I read Geoff's comments about Agro foam and I for one do not agree with something's that Geoff has said, but of course it is just what two people think, no war, but good honest ideas.

Geoff wrote: The compost should be long-lasting, very free draining, but nevertheless hold water.

I Agree with the first two statements. My stone chippings fitting the bill exactly, but why do people want the compost to hold water ?????

I keep telling people to look at an orchids roots through a home microscope and just see how much water a root will hold.

Orchids that attach themselves to trees and rocks do so to maintain a good foundation. Their host does not have to supply them with moisture..........rain and clouds do that.

And that is all I have to say at the moment.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Sjean
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Ron,

The one vanilla orchid that I've seen growing was in a very warm and humid greenhouse, (probably 80 degrees). It was growing up a pole and tied along the top of the green house where it got very intense light.

I think they need heat and light to be happy.

Sjean in California

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

I managed to find a pic I took in Thailand, of a vanilla species , specific
name unknown. Attached herewith.

Geoff

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

The flower I saw on the Cuban plant was a cream colour and looked more like
a Laelia.

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Agro-foam.
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Where can I get it?

Ron

Geoff Hands wrote on 02 September:

> Frankly it's the best thing since sliced bread, and as the Chancellor of the
> Exchequer used to say − I reccomend this product to this house.

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Perhaps I should move it to a sunnier spot? Anyone know?

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memory loss.
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007

Roger

You should always keep a pencil and paper on you night table beside your bed

Ron

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Agro-foam.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

On 04 Sep, Ron Newstead wrote:

> Where can I get it?

Ron, Ratcliffes list Chopped Horticultural Foam in their Sundries
catalogue. I imagine it's much the same as Agro-foam.

--

Tricia

I try to take one day at a time, but lately several have attacked me at once.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memory loss.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

This is one of the advantages of old age. Memory loss means you can watch T. V. repeats as you have forgotten the ending. Regards

"Ron Newstead" wrote:

> Roger
> You should always keep a pencil and paper on you night table beside your bed

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Vanilla orchid
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

When I did voluntary work at the Living Rainforest near Newbury the Vanilla planiflora grew profusely at a min. temp of 15c, good light and watered every day. We eventually learnt how to pollinate it − as the flower only lasts a day it has to be pollinated early morning as it opens. It used to take me about 5 minutes to do a pollination ( shaky hands ) but on the vanilla farms young girls take only seconds. Regards

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Agro-foam.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

The "genuine" Agro-foam I used in the mix came − with all the other ingredients from a Dutch wholesaler supplying the horticultural trade, but they would not supply anything to UK in less than a pallet load , I gathered.
I have bought foam myself , previously, from Sylvan Nurseries − but of course the nice couple who ran it went to South Africa ( and were tragically killed in a road accident) . Sylvan was sold as a going concern − but has not been seen at orchid shows etc since , maybe they have taken a different road. But it might be worth trying to track them down − somewhere near Gatwick, as I recall.
Ray Creek also sells compost with foam included ( or did) and maybe he is a source. I don't have his address, but someone here may be able to help ?
Sorry, but that's the best I can do − but I can bring you a bucket-full of mine next time I visit Bath , if you remind me ?

Geoff

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memory loss.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Ah, If only I remembered to do that.... (giggles)

Geoff

Ron Newstead wrote:

> Roger

> You should always keep a pencil and paper on you night table beside your bed

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memory loss.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Ron,
I've forgotten what that memory stuff is that you refer to; y'mean you've lost a computer chip?
I am constantly finding pieces of paper, backs of envelopes, margins of telephone directories all with cryptic, hastily scribbled notes! Even, occasionally, on the palms of my hands. If only I could recall what/who it was that they referred to! Also, when I do remember I discover that I have forgotten how to write legibly enough to read 'em!
John ( I can still remember that bit)

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A snaps...
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Some snaps today.

Eurychone rothschildiana − an Angraecum relative, so they say- I've used
some if its pollen on an Angraecum species now open, so we'll see.

Vanda Gordon Dillon cv Blue Spots − a very distinct clone ( I think this was
a top cutting) from a plant awarded in Thailand, so I was told − the colour
is superb, so I expect they are right. When shown with two spikes in a
former year , won best hybrid in the show, somewhere or other.

Paph usitanum is one of the "new discovery" paphs. This is the name used in
Germany where Guido Braeme named it. In UK and USA it will be Paternum (?)
or something like that. The Rules decide which is the right name on a matter
of priority ( who named it first) and Braeme and Phil Cribb don't seem to be
able to agree on several of the paphs ( another example is the German
P.markianum, the UK P.tigrinum ). It is said to be in Sect. Barbata, but
it looks more like a quite different section − the one containing
P.wolterianum and hainanense for example. But the layman can have opinions
but its best not to argue with the taxonomic experts on the question of
taxonomy !

P.Golden Delicious − That's what the label says, but I think the plant
actually is P.Mem Lucille Plank (P.appletonianum x P.primulinum )! It is
successional flowering − this is the first on the spike, and indeed on the
plant. Quite small − not much over 5cm span. May do better when the plant is
bigger, I expect , although primulinum is only the same size, so maybe not.

The neofinetia cross (?) has me puzzled ; I had it labelled as Lou Sneary.
But that hybrid is N.falcata (white) with Rhynco coelestis (blue) − although
that also seems to be the parentage of Twinkle,and Blaupunkt − I shall have
to do some research on this; the clue must be in the colour, maybe this is a
Neof. X Ascocentrum cross ? I have tried to search on Wildcatt , but my
copy seems tpo have a fault here − when I ask for Neof. Crosses I seem to
get the same answer as the previous question- e.g. I was looking up the
hybrid which turns out to be Paph Ho Chi Minh , and when I ask for the Neo x
Asco curvifolium cross − it tells me P.Ho Chi Minh.

Whatever, as the kids say nowadays.

Hope you like the pics

geoff

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memory loss.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

I find that true of pulp fiction too, Dennis. I can happily take a Dick
Francis novel with me on every plane trip I go , because it always comes
completely fresh. ( very slight exaggeration here, at the moment , but at
the rate I'm going it will be wholly true, quite soon) − mind you , whilst I
was hanging about all day in hospital, mostly waiting for this or that
result before moving on, I came within 2 words of finishing The Times
crossword − best I've done for years − but then, when I was younger I used
to quite finish it − and that was on the train going to work, not taking 6
hours.

Geoff

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memory loss.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

This is the second time that we have dealt with
memory. Orchid growers have more to remember then
most people. But as I said before, I'm happy that I
can still remember the name of my wife.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Agro-foam.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Sylvan was sold on but has now closed,the fellow couldnt cope
tom

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From: jeff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Ref Memory Loss
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

On the above subject , I found this very funny..
but I cant remember why
Jeff

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memory loss.
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Roger

My worst habit is to note down telephone numbers carefully without the
corresponding name......

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Thanks, Sjean.

It has warmth and heat. I'll try moving it to a sunnier spot.

Ron

Sjean wrote on 04 September:

> Ron,

> The one vanilla orchid that I've seen growing was in a very warm and humid
> greenhouse, (probably 80 degrees). It was growing up a pole and tied along
> the top of the green house where it got very intense light.

> I think they need heat and light to be happy.

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From: PG Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Vanilla orchid
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Not neccessarily, warmer might be more effective.
Regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

> Perhaps I should move it to a sunnier spot? Anyone know?

> Ron

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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: now closing down
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

My last message for a few weeks, unless I find hot-spots in China.

Geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Kei Kei Dendrobium
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Geoff, Thanks for sending the Dendrobium Kei-kei. It is big for a Kei-kei and has some nice roots. Potted up and watered straight away.

Thank again

Peter

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From: Alex
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A snaps...
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007

Are there two 'Twinkles'? I have one labelled Oncidium ornithorhyncum x cheirophorum but I sometimes wonder about it as I have seen yellowish twinkles and pink ones.
Regards
Alex Scott

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From: Barbara Larimer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A snaps...
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007

Geoff, That vanda is exquisite and beautifully photographed. My next
favorite is the neofinetia. You do have a way with the camera. I am
archiving them for future use. Just lovely. Thanks for sharing them.

Bon voyage!

Barbara

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A snaps...
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007

There are several Twinkles, Alex − I have seen yellow, pink and red, some big, some small and a large clump I have, which flowers OK but never has any roots at all. Before the root fanatics say anything − I also have a different one with good roots! I presume It's just a primary hybrid so each seedling will be an individual little Twinkle, trying to shine in its own little sky.

Regards,
Tina

geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Memory loss
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007

I am also off on holiday but I willleave you with this thought ''Growing old is not for cissies''. When I return I will give a few examples.
I am leaving a sunny Devon for a .Sunshine Cruise' Regards

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fwd: Ref Memory Loss
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007

Hi folks,

Jeff sent a Movie with this email, 3.3 megabytes, so I haven't sent it out.
I've viewed it and it is funny and Jeff says he will send it to anyone who
wants to see it!

jeff wrote on 05 Sep:

> Ref Memory Loss

> On the above subject , I found this very funny..
> but I cant remember why
> Jeff

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Ref Memory Loss
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007

Yes please!

Ron

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From: Barbara Larimer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Ref Memory Loss
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007

Jeff, I will be glad to have a look.

Thanks,
Barbara

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ref Memory Loss
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007

Yes, I want to see the video!

esther

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Ref Memory Loss
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007

Yes indeed.
Ronbow.

"Tricia Garner" wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Jeff sent a Movie on memory loss, 3.3 megabytes, so I haven't sent it out.
> I've viewed it and it is funny and Jeff says he will send it to anyone who
> wants to see it!

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From: Jana Zommer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: The Royal Edinburgh Botanic Garden
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007

Hi all,
two days ago was in REBG, so lovely place!
Look who is in blossom!
regards,
Jana

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