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January 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 February 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-28
March 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 April 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30
May 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 June 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30
July 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31 August 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31
September 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30 October 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31
November 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-30 December 1-7 8-14 15-21 22-31

July 1—7

From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: horses for courses
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

not being chemicaly minded is Potassium permanganate the stuff mum used to
have many many years ago i think we called condice crystals,cant remember what
she used it for but it went purple in the bathwater???
Rocky if you were tight you would use what the horse doesnt want
tom

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Put it down to my age
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

IMHO , excess strength fertiliser not only kills leaf tips-
and eventually leaves, but also root tips, and eventually roots.
I assume that it accumulates at the end of the line, as it were,
and there is no way out − maybe the high concentration stuff can't
escape through leaf stomata ?

I note that Coelogyne and its close relation Pleione are two of the worst
for leaf tip blackening , and are useful indicator plants for those people
who grow orchids but get frightened by anything scientific and as a
consequence do not buy a meter.

And then, there are those who might be called penny wise and pound foolish
who are happy to spend money on plants ( which then die) but unhappy at
spending money on something which − used intelligently − might have avoided
those deaths. Coelogynes might be useful for them too.

Still, it takes all sorts to make a world, and the kind of folk mentioned in
this paragraph have one great virtue − they are very good for the orchid
trade, and keep the trade going for the rest of us − we sage, clever, wise
people who never, ever, kill an orchid plant. If everyone were like us,
orchid dealers would soon go out of business.

Geof

Dennis Read wrote on 30 June:

> I had forgotten that my new meter was a Total Dissolved Solids Meter NOT
> aConductivity Meter.

> Starting with 1 1/2 gallons of rain water at a ppm of 10 I added a
> teaspoonful (5ml) of calcium nitrate, which after stirring well gave a TDS
> of 650 ppm. This confirms Geoff's 1 teaspoon in 3 gallons (imp) gives
> 300ppm. Now to get conductivity you just multiply by two, so 300ppm is 600us
> or 0.6EC (whatever that is)

> This explains a lot as many of my orchids last year devoloped black ends to
> the leaves − I was using twice the strength I should.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Put it down to my age or even up to it!
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Geoff,
But that wouldn't matter because once we got our orchids we wouldn't ever
need to replace 'em!
John

"Geoffrey Hands" wrote on Sunday, July 01:

> ...If everyone were like us, orchid dealers would soon go out of business.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paph hybrid query
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

I spotted this at a local garden centre and wondered what the crosses might
be?
Gordon.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sunday's surprises..
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Hi all,

Before I launch into what I was going to say, I will ask this question that has often baffled me, but just a minute ago I think I see the answer.

I often wondered when sending multiple images that they did not go in the order that I wanted them to. Although these are in numerical order in the 'Attach:' bar..........it looks as though they are governed by SIZE..........am I correct Tricia ??

Now on to what I was going to say. As any gardening is out of the question, and for that matter going out to photograph wild orchids, as the gale force wind makes it hardly worth the while, I had a good look around the greenhouse to be pleasantly surprised.

First photo, Number 001, is of a piece of a 'Cattleya' which most people might throw away, but I just stood it in the plastic saucer with just a drop of water for a few weeks, and I now have a nice new growth emerging. As soon as there are some nice roots I will pot it.

Second photo, Number 003, is of a Zygopetalum that was a 'cheapie' purchase from a Garden Centre. It has eight new growths in all and looks very well. It's growing in a small bark and rockwall cube mix. The plant behind and to the left was also purchased from the same place..........same mix but nothing like as good.

Third photo, Number 04, is of my Trichopilia that I mounted a few weeks ago. The new growth that is under the green twine has turned from the insipid white colour to a nice darker green. No new roots as yet, but I expect to see them very soon.

Rocky, with a smile on his face.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Mikandra Orchids.
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Hi all,

This month, Mike Armstrong of Mikandra Orchids is the visiting speaker at the Wessex Orchid Society. I just wondered if any of you had purchased plants from Mike and what can you tell me.

I speak of Cattleyas.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: T.D.S. Meter
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Rocky, I will allow you a wry grin. My TDS meter has been doing stirling wok over the last 4 or 5 years but yesterday the batteries ran out. Having replaced the batteries the instrument has to be recalibrated. Problem − the instructions were in the orchid house and in the humidity have rotted.
Does any one have the callibration instructions for a TDScan Low made by Eutech InstrumentsPte. Ltd.? If so would you contact me off line if you are willing to copy them to me.
Regards from a sunny Devon where we can see the weeds growing.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: N.H.O.S.
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

I have been meaning to ask about the North Hants OS but it keeps slipping my mind. They used to be at most South of Watford orchid shows but I have not seen them for a while now. I joined that society in about 1990 as a total beginner and they patiently kept advising me why I had killed an orchid to the point that I only now kill about one a year and most grow quite well.
I hope it is still going. Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Lending plants.
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Hi all,

Geoff tells of his disappointment about some of his plants that were lent to a Society for a display.

I feel sure that this has happened to many of us, but I must say that when I ever had to look after friends plants they were given the utmost care and attention. Yes, the occasional slight mishap might happen, but on the whole the members/friends plants were received back at the end of the show almost as good as new.

People who are setting up a stand do not seem these days to take time. It always sorts itself out in the end, but time and care must be taken. And all of the time when my friends and I used to be setting up, we would always say to ourselves..........just think that the plant you are handling is yours.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paph hybrid query
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Paph hybrids are not easy to name ; two essential pieces of information are
needed. 1. A face-on clear view of the staminode ( which is often the
important diagnostic feature ) and second, the size of the flowers . As to
the latter, it is possible from what I can see that P.purpurascens (aka
P.primulinum v.purpurascens ) is the pollen parent − the lip coloration and
the petals general shape and colour supports that. If say under six inches
spread, then perhaps P.phillipinensis or one of its close relatives
sometimes grown under different names is the other, which might make it
P.Honey, although the dorsal shape is somehow not quite right for that.

Of course the seed parent could have been a hybrid itself, which makes it
even more difficult to guess.

Geoff

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: T.D.S. Meter
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Could this be of any use Dennis?
http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips14.htm
Cheers
John

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Put it down to my age or even up to it!
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007

Hello Geoff,
I never kill a plant, especially and Orchid, but some of them unfortunately
just seem to die! The growers and sellers have no need to worry on my
account, their business will continue to flourish.
Ronbow.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

1. I replied to Roger's enquiry about Mikandra , very carefully clicking on
"reply" and not on "reply all". But the message still went to all.

2. All − every one − of Dennis's messages are found in the junk mail folder.
What is it about them, I wonder, which makes my filters dislike them ? (
Nothing personal Dennis − it's not anything I have done ! )

Geoff

Ps another thing about plain text ( as compared to elegant html )- I don't
like this old-fashioned plain ugly type-face − would make the great masters
(Gill etc) writhe in agony − makes me grimace ....

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

Geoff, I am gob-smacked; are you saying you cannot configure your
text/email editor to display received messages and any messages you compose
in the font of your choice?? Or are we seeing a fundamental
misunderstanding of what is meant by the term 'plain text' when referring
to email? Perhaps a better term would be 'pure text' meaning text only, not
text enclosed in HTML, XML, SmartTags or anything else likely to cause the
recipient difficulties.

Here, using Pluto I can compose or read emails in any font residing on the
computer. I tend to use Corpus for emails, but I could use Trinity which is
the RISCOS equivalent of Times, Homerton (equivalent Helvetica), Stylish -
don't know the equivalent of that... the list goes on. I would be very
surprised if you can't do something similar.

See the attached images showing this message in various fonts. You will
note that the header section always remains the same, but the actual
message can be in any font selected.

The idea is not to force the recipient to use the font you prefer, but to
allow him/her to use their choice.

--

Tricia

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paph hybrid
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

The flower size is width 5 inches, height 3 inches, pouch length 1.5 inches.
Apologies for clarity of staminode but hopefully will be clear enough to assist
Gordon.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

Geoff,
Did Roger's e-mail not come from "list" and as such when you clicked reply
your message went to "list"
Gordon.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: T.D.S. Meter
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

John, Thankyou. I had tried it but misspelt the site so got nowhere. Regards

"John Stanley" wrote:

> Could this be of any use Dennis?
> http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips14.htm

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paph hybrid query
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

Gordon, looking at your pics, I agree with Geoff and my guess would be that it is either a P. Jurgen Roth kolpakingii x primulinum or P. Lawless Tristan kolopakingii x glaucophyllum.

Roy.

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From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paph hybrid query
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

Hello Gordon,

It's really difficult sometimes impossible to name a Paph hybrid by a photo.
I think it might be a cross between Paphs of the section Polyantha and
Cochlopetalum.
The staminode of your Paph is typically Cochlopetalum like.
There is a high similarity to Paph Prime Child − it's a primary hybrid
between Paph
Rothschildianum x Paph primulinum. But as soon there is another cross
partner a
nameing would be very speculative.
For primary hybrids have a look at
http://www.slipperorchids.info/paphprimaries/index.html
And for Paph Prime Child at
http://www.slipperorchids.info/paphprimaries/PaphPrimeChild3.jpg

Best regards from Germany, rudolf

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: T.D.S. Meter
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

Dennis,
there's no need to spell anything; simply double left-click on the blue and it'll find it if you are on-line!
I've just tried it and got there. Whether or not it is of help is another issue!
Alternatively, you could 'select' the blue, copy it (CTRL-C) and the paste (CTRL-V) it in the appropraite place at the top of your search page (yahoo or whatever) and hey presto.
Cheers
John

Dennis Read wrote on Monday, July 02:

> John, Thankyou. I had tried it but misspelt the site so got nowhere.

> http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips14.htm

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Biffrenaria.
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

Hi all, especially Dennis,

The Bifrenaria piece that Dennis posted to me back in middle of April [when the sun shone] is showing three new growths and I am well pleased.

When the 'monsoon' rains let up I will fight my way down to the greenhouse passing numerous plants that have enjoyed the rain so much to the extent that they are sending out 'strangler shoots, and post a photo of the plant.

Any tips on Bifrenaria's ???

Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007

Yes Tricia, Ms Outlook uses Word as mail editor, and I can set the defaults
in Word to the font etc. of my choice. But when I've done that I'm working
in html. .....

Circular problem ?

geoff

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

Outlook only uses Word by default − you can choose not to somewhere in
the setup (of Outlook, not Word).

/jan

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From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bifrenaria
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

Rocky! Morning! Did you not receive my e-mail some weeks ago saying how I
grow bifrenaria together with a photo of the current growth?

--

Boss

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

On 03 July jan wrote:
> Outlook only uses Word by default − you can choose not to somewhere in
> the setup (of Outlook, not Word).

That sounds a good idea − there must be some good free text editors
available which you could use. I would have thought Word a bit heavy-weight
for email editing.

--

Tricia

Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bifrenaria
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

Hi Alan, [ 2nd in command ]

Yep, sure did get your E-mail thanks, but just wondered if anyone else living on planet Earth might give us all their respective 'Five penneth'.

Had quite a shock just now..........a very bright object appeared in the sky..........any ideas???

Roger.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Plot lost
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

Tricia, I have now got so confused. Do you want EMails in HTML or plain as all I have to do is check one or the other. Regards

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fw: Paph hybrid
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

For some unknown reason this response to Geoff's query has not appeared although one I did later has.
Gordon.

----- Original Message -----

> The flower size is width 5 inches, height 3 inches, pouch length 1.5
> inches. Apologies for clarity of staminode but hopefully will be clear
> enough to assist

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bifrenaria
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

Rainbow?
John

Roger Grier wrote on Tuesday, July 03:

> Had quite a shock just now..........a very bright object appeared in
> the sky..........any ideas???

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: Paph hybrid
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

I think that has to be your system Gordon , since it DID appear on my
screen.

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bifrenaria
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007

Your weather can't be any different from mine Roger (?) − we live on
opposite sides of the Forest .

It was lightning , lots and lots of it .Going on most of the late
afternoon, here near Christchurch

My greenhouse tanks they overfloweth.

Lots of lovely rain water . You can't beat it.

If it gets too much, just remember last year − burnt lawns by April , empty
reservoirs, hose-pipe bans ..

Geoff

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

One doesn't even need another text editor − text editing is a
fundamental feature of any windowing system, and if you deselect Word,
Outlook wil simply use that very basic functionality.

/jan

Tricia Garner wrote:
> On 03 July, jan wrote:

>> Outlook only uses Word by default − you can choose not to somewhere in
>> the setup (of Outlook, not Word).
>
> That sounds a good idea − there must be some good free text editors
> available which you could use. I would have thought Word a bit heavy-weight
> for email editing.
>

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Plot lost
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

On 03 July, Dennis Read wrote:

> Tricia, I have now got so confused. Do you want EMails in HTML or plain
> as all I have to do is check one or the other.

Hi Dennis, I would like emails in plain, please.

--

Tricia

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

On 04 July, jan wrote:
> One doesn't even need another text editor − text editing is a
> fundamental feature of any windowing system, and if you deselect Word,
> Outlook wil simply use that very basic functionality.

Can you specify a particular address as a mailing list/newsgroup in
Outlook? Then choosing Plain Text in the News Sending Format panel would
mean that folks could still use the fancy stuff for private emails.

--

Tricia

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

Tricia,

I am sure we all wish to make life as simple as possible for you and the
admin of OT but can you explain (again?) what the disadvantages are to you
and the 'system' if we idly continue to use HTML? Is it that not all members
can read it or is it that the server gets overloaded or is it that we create
unnecessary work for you or what?

Clearly, there are advantages in having a wysiwyg (HTML) system so long as
the recipient gets what I see! There are disadvantages (like Geoff has
pointed out) if what I imagine in plain text is not similarly imagined by
the recipient(s). A year ago, there was little if any mention of these
issues and, if anyone complained they couldn't read an email it was always
possible to re-send one privately until the issue was sorted.

Outside this forum, the only problem I experience is with copy for a
Newsletter I edit when sent to me from a Mac − but even that is surmountable
as a monthly one-off.

As you'll know, computer expertise is variable in all sorts of ways; I am
comfortable with most practical aspects including maintaining my own kit and
learning to use graphical and WP software but this HTML/plain/rich text has
caused more preoccupation than I have been involved in for some time.
Probably because I don't appreciate the finer points of the email systems.
At what point would it be preferable that those of us who are proving
incapable of efficiently converting to plain text should go into hibernation
or clog-popping mode? In other words, are you ever-so-politely trying to
implement a set of rules or simply trying to point out a mutually beneficial
code of practise? I don't think we'd take offence if you simply announced
(or privately told) which of us are b-nuisances with our incompetence!

Does the similar forum (Orchid Digest) have automatic facilities for coping
with members' technical idiosyncrasies and is the absence of attachments a
consequence?
We'd miss the regular fix of orchid images − especially those we covet!

John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

On 04 July, John Stanley wrote:

> Tricia,

> I am sure we all wish to make life as simple as possible for you and the
> admin of OT but can you explain (again?) what the disadvantages are to
> you and the 'system' if we idly continue to use HTML? Is it that not all
> members can read it or is it that the server gets overloaded or is it
> that we create unnecessary work for you or what?

A significant number of members don't use HTML for email so will miss any
'fancy' bits. It does create more work for me but it's only significant if
there isn't a plain text alternative included.

> Clearly, there are advantages in having a wysiwyg (HTML) system so long
> as the recipient gets what I see! There are disadvantages (like Geoff
> has pointed out) if what I imagine in plain text is not similarly
> imagined by the recipient(s). A year ago, there was little if any
> mention of these issues and, if anyone complained they couldn't read an
> email it was always possible to re-send one privately until the issue
> was sorted.

It's probably fair to say that we are victims of our own success! The
subscriber base has increased three-fold since the list began, which means
there are more operating systems sending and receiving messages so there
are bound to be hiccups now and again. What was that about cross-platform
compatibility?! :-)

[Snip]

>In other words, are you ever-so-politely trying to implement a set of
> rules or simply trying to point out a mutually beneficial code of
> practise? I don't think we'd take offence if you simply announced (or
> privately told) which of us are b-nuisances with our incompetence!

I don't want to impose draconian rules but I do get concerned when several
people say they can't read certain messages, and spend a lot of time trying
to sort it out. Perhaps I should adopt a more casual approach... As you
say, things can always be re-sent privately if necessary.

> Does the similar forum (Orchid Digest) have automatic facilities for
> coping with members' technical idiosyncrasies and is the absence of
> attachments a consequence? We'd miss the regular fix of orchid images -
> especially those we covet!

Yes, I think so. And as far as I can tell there aren't many lists which
allow images these days.

For now I propose that everyone sends messages in whatever format they are
most comfortable with if they can't easily manage plain text, and I will try to field any oddities but not beat myself up if I can't fix it. How's that?

Cheers,

--

Tricia

If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

Hello,
When I Google Orchid Express I see information regarding an American Monthly
Journal. Is there another Forum similar to ours, am I missing out on
something?
I am not a computer Wiz Kid, I use plain text, and seem to get every thing
that is sent on both PC and Mac.
RonBow.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

Thanks for all that Tricia,

I, for one will make the effort and feel a tad guilty if I forget. If anyone
on the forum is unable to read my contributions (and is also not happier as
a consequence!), may I simply say that I am always prepared to re-do an
email in a format suitable for that person. I certainly wouldn't expect you,
Tricia, to slave away or 'beat yourself up' on my behalf.

At least it is nice to know that success and an increase in our numbers is
part of the problem. (concentrates hard, checks the plain text box and then
clicks on 'send')

Thanks again
John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

Excellent, John!

--

Tricia

A wise old Engineer once said: "Knowledge is knowing where to hit it and experience is knowing how hard!".

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007

On 04 July, Ron Bower wrote:
> Hello,
> When I Google Orchid Express I see information regarding an American
> Monthly Journal. Is there another Forum similar to ours, am I missing
> out on something?

There is the OrchidGuide Digest, owned by Kenneth Bruyninckx of Akerne
Orchids in Belgium.

http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com

It's a bigger list than this one, has some very interesting people on it.
No orchid pictures though.

> I am not a computer Wiz Kid, I use plain text, and seem to get every
> thing that is sent on both PC and Mac.

Thanks for the endorsement :-)

--

Tricia

The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong.

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From: James H
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007

Everyone should just start using a web based email,,, such as gmail or
hotmail.

if we all used the same one it would be simple :P
i for one use gmail and have this address just for receiving different
mailing lists as it is easy to sort them all and i can access them when not
at home... eg when I'm bored at work :)

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007

Part of my problem if I have one, is that I use this wretched Microsoft
Office Outlook − its just so handy to have Mail, Contacts, Calendar and
Tasks all in one window, but it is a programme which seems to cause a lot of
conflict − so does the other programme which I use all the time − Photoshop
- but that's another matter.

However, in my mailer I have in the recent past gone into tools/options and
set Word as my text editing programme, and selected 14point Arial dark blue
as the standard. I notice that when I am preparing Royal Mail
correspondence, that's how it is ; but when I open the mailer, it comes out
as 10point − it's not that it knocks 2 points off what I set , it is just
that it wants to do mail in 10 point whatever I set , I think. But at least
it is in Arial. However, not reliably so − see below.

The standard message form in this programme has a drop-down menu which at
the moment shows HTML. If I switch to Plain Text , curiously enough it
switches to Courier New , remains at 10 point and also remains blue, and if
I go back to HTML nothing changes − i.e. it remains the same as it the last
time used. However HTML restores the formatting toolbar so that I can switch
back to the size and font etc. very quickly.

The drop-down menu also offers me Rich Text which is virtually half way
between the two − in fact rich text gives ma all the formatting options I
actually want to use.

I get the warning "pictures will be lost" if I switch to plain , but I
wonder if that applies if they are sent as attachments − which is the form I
normally use, rather than as embedded code ? I will attach a few snaps I
took this morning , to see..I'll now switch to plain text.

I'll try and send a second version of this in html and if successful ask
Tricia − is this message causing you any extra work ? Please be frank and
I'll toe the line.

Geoff

Ps − looks as though attachments still work in plain text ; comments -

The Mokara is one I bought last summer − flowering for the second time for
me − only about 8 flowers some 2 − 2.5 inches in size. I would like to do
better , and some older Mokaras are very frequent flowerers ( one is almost
always in flower , often with two spikes, and I get 12-20 per spike ).

The one labelled V says on the label Vanda Now x Asctm curvifolium. Can't
find Now in Wildcatt ( there is a Phal called Now Wot ! ). It's a most
unusual dark dusky old rose colour.

The gastrochilus comes from a different island in Indonesia, far from the
site of G.calceolus and the other species, but is very similar , perhaps a
paler yellow. Quite pretty , but of course not spectacular with its tight
little bunch of flowers the size of UK 5p coins.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007

Hi Geoff,

The plain text message is definitely better for me.

--

Tricia

Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off indefinitely.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Brighten up a grey day
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007

Here is a pic. of my Coelogyne Green Dragon'Chelsea'. Sorry its a bit large but a smller pic. would not do it justice. The longest spike, of five, has 22 flowers and it was bought as aback division three years ago at a society auction.
Regards from a damp cloudyand cold Devon.
ps. I am now going to check the plain text button ( as has just been mentioned.

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007

I have a Gmail address, Tricia. Would it help you to use that?

In the meantime, carry on with the good work please.

Thank you!

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bifrenaria
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007

I have just put in an extra water butt − so expect some good weather!

Ron Newstead

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007

Depends how convenient it is for you, Ron. So far your messages don't seem
to be tripping up the system.

--

Tricia

He who laughs last probably doesn't understand the joke.

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: oddities in mail handling...
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Geoff and Tricia,
I have your text but not the attached Pictures
Ronbow.

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From: Orchids
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Stanhopea Articles
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Would anyone be able to assist me with Stanhopea's articles please it would
be very much appreciated.

All The Best

Les

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Brighten up a grey day
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

My pictures came out too small and I had to enlarge it.

Ron

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Biffrenaria.
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Hi Rocky,
Look into Rentoul's book No.3 − Vandas, dendrobiums and others. On page
229/30/31 you can find everything you want to know about bifrenarias.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bifernaria.
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Hi Peter,

Thanks for that information regarding the article in Jim Rentoul's book. I expect you may remember me telling that I have four of his books and I rate them very highly..........problem is that I don't rate my memory very highly any more !!!!! Let's face it the older we get, the more information we store up there, and it just takes a little more time to access.

How's the weather in your part of the world ??? Is it playing up like it is here.

Regards, Rocky.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Stanhopea Articles
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

_The Stanhopea Pages_ (http://houstonorchidsociety.org/Stanhopea/)
_Stanhopeas_ (http://www.nhorchids.org/pages_growing/stanhopeas.htm#sequence)

all the best
tom

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Stanhopea Articles
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

_The Strange Stanhopea Orchids_
(http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/orchid_gardening/39725)
another i forgot
tom

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: E-mailing.
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Hi Tricia,

I have sat here having a quick glance at all of the E-mails about 'Plain Text' 'HTML' and all of the bits and pieces.

I must say that to be truthful I did not take much notice of it and binned the lot, ha, ha.

My 'T-reason', do you like that !!! My reason for writing to you is that I have never had any problems with sending or receiving E-mail.

I just use Outlook Express and no other bits and pieces.

I have always had a 'tick' or 'Radio Button' in the Plain Text to receive E-mail and a 'Radio Button' in the space to send E-mail in HTML.

Is that alright for you???

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: E-mailing.
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007


No problemo. Your messages don't seem to upset the system. I guess (and it
is just a guess) it's because you rarely reply by quoting but start a new
email.

--

Tricia

Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Woops!!
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Hi Boss,

Sorry about my mistake when I said that I had the 'Radio Button' in the space for 'Receiving E-mail. That was, as you can see completely wrong.

Messages are received in the same format/font as they are sent.

Rocky.

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From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Brighten up a grey day
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Hello Dennis,

What a gorgeous bunch of flowers − very impressive!! :-) :-)
Beside your contributions about orchids I like your regularly weather report
from Devon. So I'm always up to date informed about the weather in UK.
Since few hours the sky has cleared up here in Germany and I can see a
bright yellow ball in the sky again (must be the sun) after a long spell of
rain. I think it lasted nearly two weeks interrupted only by two better days
last weekend.
I attach 3 photos of Paphs that flowered a few weeks ago. I hope they wiil
keep the day bright and you like the photos − enjoy.

Best regards from Germany, rudolf

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007

Here's another pic from Geoff. It is Dendrochilum abbreviatum.

--

Tricia

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

But what does it open in?
It is so abbreviatum that it seemeth not to be a .jpg
Irfanview, PSP nor Windows media will not do the trick for me.
John

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

It's a JPEG (.jpg), honest. Try this version which has been put through a
cleaner-upper.

--

Tricia

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Photograping our orchids.
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

Hi Rudolph,

Your Paphs are as excellent as always. And your photography is even better.

Maybe we could all tell of how we take photographs of our orchids and give a few tips.

I will ask you to start with:-

1. What do you use as a background?

2. Do you use flash?

3. Do you always use a tripod..........because a tripod should always be used, or a similar device to keep the camera rock steady.

Kind regards, Rocky. [The sun is out and it is a nice day]

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From: Brenda Beale BB
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Paphs
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

Very nice Paphs Rudolf and lovely photos, though I am not into much in the way of hybrids I did like the last photo,the white one.
Brenda

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

Save it to the desktop, John, then double click it! I can always find a
dendrochilum when I want one.

Tina

"John Stanley" wrote on Saturday, July 07:

> But what does it open in?
> It is so abbreviatum that it seemeth not to be a .jpg
> Irfanview, PSP nor Windows media will not do the trick for me.
>

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From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photograping our orchids.
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

Hi Rocky,

Nice to hear you enjoyed my photos. Needless to say I will answer your
queries but don't expect too much from me, I'm only an average photographer.
Most of the job does my automatically camera − I'm just looking through the
view finder!! :-) :-)
I chose my camera by the aspect of having good macro features beside a good
optical zoom. The camera enables me to photograph blooms in the super macro
setting which are placed in a distance of say 2 or 3 cm directly in front of
the lens.
> 1. What do you use as a background?
The background in these three photos is the painted wall in our dining room.
But every other background is possible in my eyes as long as it restful and
the colour doesn't compete with the colour(s) of the bloom. The bloom must
be the most important thing not the background (I saw already terrible
photos in the net where the bloom disappears in the background).
> 2. Do you use flash?
I try to avoid flash. The flash light of the camera lightens the bloom only
partially in the super macro modus and produces shadow in the rest of the
bloom. I use a portable lamp/spotlight like it is in use on construction
sites (It's left over from times we built our house ten years ago)
> 3. Do you always use a tripod...
Yes, I use always a tripod when I'm taking photos of blooms in the super
macro modus. Only a tripod guarantees you to keep the camera in a steady
position.
Another advantage of the digital photography is the fact you can take as
much pictures as you like and then you sort out only the best and save them.
So the pictures I sent to the list were the best in my eyes.

Best regards from Germany, rudolf

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From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphs
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

Hello Brenda,

I'm not very much into hybrids, too because in my eyes most of the species
are beautiful by themselves. O.K there's always something to improve not
only the beauty of the flower but also the vigour, easier to grow, better
adaptation to artificial environment and so on..And I've got to admit there
are some really good hybrids on the market beside a lot of not so good ones
(in my eyes). You know beauty is always in the eye of the beholder!!!

But my space in our house is limited and therefore I grow only few hybrids.
This primary hybrid was an extra gift from a gardener when I bought Paphs in
his nursery and spent a little fortune on that day.

This cross turned out very well in my eyes.

Best regards from Germany, rudolf

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

Upon trying to look at the pic, I got a message that Windows could not open
it.
Any suggestions?

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007

Hurrah! Now I have got it too.

Ron

Tricia wrote on Sat, 07 July:

> It's a JPEG (.jpg), honest. Try this version which has been put through a
> cleaner-upper.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007

Seems as if most folks have it now. It was perfectly OK, except that when I
copied it into my first message the .jpg suffix was inadvertently removed.

--

Tricia

The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photograping our orchids. (With non-orchids attachements)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007

I thought I should add my thoughts as a voice for the
much-less-than-average photographers of the world. My camera is a humble
but usable Sony Cybershot − I'm always amazed that one can take almost
decent pictures with this. The one feature I like about it is that it
has an 'ISO mode', which basically means that there is no flash, no
matter what; I use that for all photos. One of the things that fascinate
me with digital photgraphy is the way you can do things to them on the
computer − I once found a plugin called 'edgefinder'. I have attached a
couple picture as an example, the original is one that I believe breaks
all the 'rules' − it's underexposed and directly towards the sun, but
see what edgefinder has made out it; I think it is very fascinating.

Now, ideally, if I were to spend the money on a proper camera − what
should I buy? The only thing I feel strongly about is that I want an SLR
camera where I can turn off all automatic functions; autofocus, flash,
everything. I think the fact that it is so cheap and easy to take lots
of pictures and experiment means that it is brilliant opportunity for
learning how to judge what will make a good effect (which is one reason
why I keep taking under- or over exposed pictures; the other reason is
that I'm very clever).

Back to the questions − I don't use a particular background (although
perhaps I should, at least when I try to document my plants), but I try
to always include objects of a known size when I take pictures of my
plants to give a feel for how big the plant is. I always avoid flash − I
find that flash tends to make pictures look artificial, as if I had
taken the background from another photograph and pasted the foreground
on to it. And I don't own a tripod; I follow 'the dogma school of
photography' (like the film instructor Lars von Trier), or rather, I
don't have a good camera, so it would seem a bit presumptious to spend
money on a tripod.

/jan

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another of Geoff's pics
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007

Tried that Tina,
but it still asked what program was needed to open it and none of my
numerous graphics packages would do it! Tricia managed it though, and now I
have it with a .jpg extension.
But thanks
John

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bifernaria.
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007

Hi Rocky,
I think the weather is playing up everywhere. The weather is changing
all the time. We have winter now, but 3ºC is a bit low for us here.
Rainwise it is not too bad. We need rain to have enough water for next
summer. I don't mind to drink more wine, but the orchids will not be
happy with it.
Kind regards
Peter

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Stanhopeas
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007

Hi Les,
get a copy of THE ASTONISHING STANHOPEAS, the upside down orchids
written by Barney Greer, written and printed in Australia.
I think it is still available from the Australian Orchid Council.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photograping our orchids. (With non-orchids attachments)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007

Jan,
Don't knock your 'consumer' cybershot for orchid photography. The biggest
advantage of buying an SLR is that you see through a real optical viewfinder
and the shutter response time is close to an old-fashioned film-SLR (to we
ordinary mortals). There is a downside for close-up work with an SLR;
macro-lenses don't come cheap if they're good and I think close-focus
consumer cams have the edge unless your are going to spend a lot more than
your C-shot cost you! Because the electronic 'film' frame size is smaller
than a 35mm frame, lenses become about 1.5 times the focal length in terms
of angle of vision and truly wide angle lenses are expensive too. I still
use an old Nikon Coolpix for very closeup work because the camera is
physically small, will focus to about 25mm and I can twist the viewing
screen to a convenient visible position when I couldn't possibly see through
the SLR viewfinder without a periscope adapter (£££££). Then there's muck
on the electronic sensor that gets in when you change lenses . . .!
I am surprised that you can't override auto functions on that camera −
certainly, you can on the little Nikons and many others.
Of course, you may get more pixels for your money but many small
cameras now boast more than older professional digital SLRs. My Nikon D100
only has six and a bit (6.2?) megapixels yet many small cams have 7 or ten!
In any case, who'd notice until you want to crop out a very small portion?.
You'll probably need to spend more on lenses than on a very versatile
complete 'prosumer' or 'consumer' cam. I am sure others in O-T will advise
too but, unless you have the ready money burning your pocket lining for an
SLR, research your needs and the advantages/disadvantages carefully. Don't
get me wrong; I wouldn't part with my digital SLR but that isn't because the
photos are much better so much as the response time and clear viewfinder for
moving subjects (birds etc) and it is heavier and therefore has steadying
inertia. It is also more economical on battery power because the electronic
screen isn't on so much and the battery is bigger. (certainly all day and up
to 400 images)
Most orchids aren't too quick off the starting grid except in high wind
and I suspect your greenhouse or house isn't that draughty! A cybershot on
a cheap tripod (or a bean bag − free!!!) should give excellent results . .
.and you don't need a rucksac to carry it!

For some expert and good advice and reviews try:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html
John

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From: Kenneth Bruyninckx
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Stanhopea Articles
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007

Les,

Have you got Rudolf Jennys monograph on Stanhopea, if not have a look at
http://home.scarlet.be/~hn015545/boekcaesianastanhop01.htm

Kenneth.

Kenneth Bruyninckx
Akerne Orchids
Laarsebeekdreef 4, B-2900 Schoten, Belgium
tel. +32 (0)3 651 40 36 fax +32 (0)3 653 06 76

www.akerne-orchids.com

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From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Brighten up a grey day
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007

If only the world were filled with you lovely orchid-talkers and only
excellent photos such as these were taken, what a nice, happy world it would
be.


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