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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Andy's and Roy's plants.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

Hi Roger, the plant is Zygoneria Adelaide Meadows "Waringah".
Its poted in a 5inch pot in 5 − 10 mm pine bark only. It gets watered and fed regularly. It grows in the warm room with the Paphs, Phrags etc. It took a while to flower but was worth waiting for. I have a wack of Complex Paphs with buds coming, looks like a good season for a change.
Reards, Roy.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Non orchid question.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

When I look at my Town, Totton, I can only see about one quarter of it in good focus. My friends house is clearly visible and I can see his garage and summer house etc.

Can you all please have a look at my home postcode to see if you can see my place clearly.

I ask this question because I want to know if paying Google the $20 per year will enable me to see my place.

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: I also have a Non orchid question.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

Roger I also have a non orchid question. Do we have
an address book? Sometimes I find the address of the
original writer along with list@orc... when I post a
reply. But when I went to reply to your question I
didn't find your address. When and if I find you
address I will answer your question. Sorry for the
empty email, blame a sticky finger.
If anyone is bored with the above paragraph just enjoy
the picture of a nice yellow from my June flowers
at:http://togofcoralgables.com/FlowersofJune07.aspx
Be careful some of the plants in the site are not orchids.

From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Non orchid question.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

Rodger,
You and I have been down this road before.At that time your area was not very clear, it seem ok now, but I do not know which is your house. I do not know if the GE you subscribe to is better than the free one, I would expect it to be. GE do offer a trial period of the professional version, I tried to down load it, but got fed up answering the question so I deleted it. My area NE13 8AN was upgraded last December and is now very clear and you can see my greenhouse. Phone me if you wish to discuss. 0191 286 2277. I think it would be very interesting to see where our members were, especially out of the UK.
Ronbow.

From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Non orchid question.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Non orchid question.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: dendrobium anosmum
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

This is said to grow to 3 metres in the wild and up to a metre in cultivation. I have seen it commonly in cultivation in Thailand at about 60 cms − attached is a pic I took in nursery in Southern Thailand in February 2006. I sure wish mine was did this!

I bought mine 3 years ago as a small plant. The first 2 years I kept it wet all year in good light and a MNW of 15 degrees. It produced a few flowers and it also kept it's leaves. Last year I stopped watering in october and hung it up in the roof to get max light. I left it there for 5 months and then watered again. My pic of last week shows the result. I am very pleased with it − and it is still a young plant.

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Andy's and Roy's plants.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007

The cattleya in Cattleya Sea Breeze, a primary hybrid between C warneri and C walkeriana. I got it from Nardotte last year though it is no longer on their list.

> Yes mate, very nice plants, especially the foliage which we can always
> see is up to your usual standard Andy, what is the name of the
> Cattleya please.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Non orchid question.
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007

I'm definitely missing the point − I haven't the foggiest idea what Roger
is talking about...

Geoffrey Hands wrote on 08 June:
> But why should I pay $20 to see your house, if you don't want to ?

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Google Earth.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007

Thanks to those of you that replied to my E-mail address with the constructive answers.

Smack on the wrist to those of you that replied via the 'Club's' E-mail address and for those of you that did not give constructive answers.

I did find out however that some people did not know the quick way to see an individual senders E-mail address and I hope that my explanation helped.

It still seems to me that it is almost impossible to actually E-mail 'Google Earth' and ask a question.

Andy's Cattleya 'Sea Breeze' sure is nice..........anybody know a source for this plant please.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Google Earth.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007

Perhaps you might send your explanation of the quick way to see an
individual sender's email address as I'm sure others might find it useful.

From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Google Earth.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007

Tricia,
Firstly I apologise for replying via list to Rodgers question.I through
habit clicked reply and instantly realised my mistake. My school master told
me that there were 3 things that could not be taken back:- Time, The spoken
Word, The sped Shaft, ( The Fired Arrow.)-There is now one more 4, The Sent
Email!
I have not seen Rodger's reply, Maybe another one those dissapereing emails!
Google Earth,(GE) is useful as a map or route finder to see were you need
to go then print it out and use as a map.Or to look see the area ect of
where you are considering spending you holiday. I use it in conjuntion with
a route finder. It could be great if you are relocating, you can inspect the
area and where a bouts of the propery ect. The pro version is used by
surveyers, architects, estate agents and the like. I had the need to use it
on a one off basis so thought of initiating a trial, but as I said I got fed
up of the numerious questions.
I have a friend who erects and services TV and mobile phone masts and
instalations in Afganistan, (Better him than Me!) He tells me that the pro
version is chalk and cheese in comparison with the free version, and both
versions are a derivitive of the "Nasa Spy in The Sky" military vertion. The
domestic or free verstion by comparision is rather like a out of focus
photgraph. The upgraded verstion, is I understand only available in areas
that do not have any military or sensitive areas ect visible.I understand
that with the military verstion you can see the time of day on a wearers
wrist watch! My area was upgraded early this year and is now quite good.
I trust this exsplains a little bit of the reason for GE.I think its very
useful. Probably others much more aufaye than me will fill you in if you
will allow this off topic subject.
Ron Bow.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: E-mail address's of individual members.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007

Tricia asked if I could give a little tip to finding a members E-mail address, so here goes.

Now let's just assume that you want to see if there is any mail. And lo and behold there is just one in the 'INBOX'. It's from Roger Grier [Because it says so] and then to the right it tells you what the subject is.......then further over to the right is the date.

Left click once. This not only highlights the 'Message Bar' but the message is shown below in the viewing pane.

Now then, with your mouse arrow still hovering over the 'Message Bar' which is still highlighted, RIGHT CLICK on it...........and up comes a little menu box with the word PROPERTIES at the bottom. Mouse arrow over the word Properties and then LEFT CLICK...............and the senders E-mail address is there before your very eyes.

And if you then want to explore a bit more, click on the 'Details' tab........masses of information there.

And if you think I put it in such a way that SOME people don't like as it might seem as if I am talking to children, then just let me tell you that I do help people by teaching/showing them in such a way that the dumbest person in the world would hopefully be able to understand..............then everyone else is bound to understand.

Anyone want to be taught how to put an eye splice in the end of a rope???? Just watch the position that the tutor stands in front of the class...........completely wrong.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: E-mail address's of individual members.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007

Thanks for the explanation Roger. It has often puzzled me why people can't
immediately see the sender's address, as it it right in front of me in both
the email programs I use but then, I don't use Outlook/Outlook Express.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Google Earth.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007

Ron Bower wrote:
> Tricia,
> Firstly I apologise for replying via list to Rodgers question.I through
> habit clicked reply and instantly realised my mistake. My school master
> told me that there were 3 things that could not be taken back:- Time,
> The spoken Word, The sped Shaft, ( The Fired Arrow.)-There is now one
> more 4, The Sent Email!

That's OK Ron, I wasn't getting at you − I was thinking of previous
occasions where, for instance member A, when responding to a message from
member B, says they haven't got member B's email address, if you see what I
mean.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted then used against you.

I've been out today with my orchid group looking at local wild orchids. Saw the Common Spotted, Marsh Spotted, Twayblade and Bee Orchid. Can anyone − Roger?- recommend a good book on British orchids/

Someone − Geoff? gave the name of a supplier of large grade perlite and I seem to have mislaid it. Will you give it again please.

From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] E-mail address's of individual members.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007

Roger, You can find the senders address by highlighting To, then r click find, and there it is.Ronbow.

From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] british orchids
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007

From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Perlite, books and photos
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007

Big perlite is available mail order from www.orchidaccessories.co.uk and an excellent book for British orchids is Britain's Orchids by David Lang, WILD Guides Ltd, ISBN 1-903657-06-7
Don't remember how much the book was − about £12 I think.

I am attaching two photos of plants out in my greenhouse now:
Lc. Canhamiana Coerulea 'Azure Sky' (C. mossiae x L. purpurata)
Lycaste luminosa

A question for Cattleya afficianados. Attached are pictures of my C.mossiae and C. skinneri. To my eyes they are good flowers and would make good hybrids but their cross registered as Cattleya Kiwanda was never used in hybridisation. ( Unless I am not using Wildcatt correctly).
Does anyone have an explanation? Does anyone have C. Kiwanda or a picture? The cross was registered in 1971.
Regards from sunny Devon

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007

Your Skinneri is very good and worth using. I have an
album of Skinneri at:
http://togofcoralgables.com/Cskinneri.aspx
But your mossiae has a typical problem, weak petals.
The very reason that I don't grow mossiae is that very
few of them stand up straight. You might have noticed
that awarded mossiae have stronger texture then the
average ones.

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] british orchids
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007

Serendipity I think it's called!
I'll forward an email I received about an hour after yours. You may have it already but just in case . . .
John

Morning all, one of my favorite Aerides is now out in flower.
It is Aerides lawrenceae var Sanderiana. The largest flowered Aerides that I know of. The plant is getting a little too tall to transport now, not sure what I will do.
Roy.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Good book on British Wild Orchids.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007

I have also been out looking at Bee Orchids........over two hundred of them.......in a piece of waste ground that has been made into a Country Park, just on the eastern side of Southampton, almost down to the waters edge. There was one specimen with a different and nicely patterned lip.

You said: Saw the Common Spotted, Marsh Spotted, Twayblade and Bee Orchid. Can anyone − Roger?- recommend a good book on British orchids.

First of all can I be cheeky and say that you did not see a 'Marsh Spotted'. As far as I will always say....all Marsh Orchids have unspotted leaves. Do you think it was a hybrid? Bearing in mind that the number of hybrids between the Common Spotted and the Marsh Orchids, throwing in a few Heath Spotted will boggle the minds of most of us.

As for the book: I will always recommend the excellent old standby which never ever seems to be outdated and is a joy to read and own, and it is:

Wild Orchids of Britain. Author, Victor Summerhays. It's one of the books from 'The New Naturalist series. First Edition 1951. Reprinted up to at least 1976.

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My (too tall) Aerides
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007

Hi Roy,
Not sure what to do eh?
Well; if it's only "a little too tall" I'd give it away quickly to one of we very envious members before it gets far too tall! I'm sure there are a few of us who'd happily tolerate its excesses and put up with the inconvenience.

More seriously; a fine plant and nice pics. Thanks.
(You don't say just how tall it is. Is it kept upright by a cane or is it self supporting?)
John S

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Good book on British Wild Orchids.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

There appear to be nearly 50 copies for sale in U.K. with www.AbeBooks.com
(author SummerhayEs)

>...Wild Orchids of Britain. Author, Victor Summerhays. It's one of the books
>from 'The New Naturalist series. First Edition 1951. Reprinted up to at
>least 1976.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] british orchids
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

Summerhayes was THE expert , in his day...
But surely his book is way out of date by modern standards ?
I would not want to learn a subject by reading about ideas which are now passe.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Aerides
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

I wonder if a top cutting might be the answer ? I have tried it with another aerides with success and of course it is a regular technique with vandas.

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Perlite, books and photos
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

Thanks to all of you who responded to my request. I shall have a look at the books. At the weekend I am going on an outing to a local hill which apparently is full of bee orchids at present. Rocky you are quite right − It was Heath Spotted, not Marsh Spotted, orchids I saw!

Absolutely fantastic plants Tina. Thats a particularly fine LC. I wouldn't mind trying a crossing with my C Sea Breeze if you'd spare some polllen. My L purpurata Rosada is out now 4 big blooms. I may post a pic if I get round to photographing it at the weekend

> Big perlite is available mail order from www.orchidaccessories.co.uk
> and an excellent book for British orchids is Britain's Orchids by David
> Lang, WILD Guides Ltd, ISBN 1-903657-06-7 Don't remember how much the
> book was − about £12 I think.

> I am attaching two photos of plants out in my greenhouse now: Lc.
> Canhamiana Coerulea 'Azure Sky' (C. mossiae x L. purpurata) Lycaste
> luminosa

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Another non orchid question.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

Sorry guys, but there seem to be some knowledgeable computer people out
there.....

Does anyone know how do I can get pictures to automatically display
themselves when I download a mail message to my hotmail app? I frequently
see a small square with a red cross in the middle and right clicking and
selecting "Show Picture" doesn't work either.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Summerhayes Orchid book.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

You wrote:
Summerhayes was THE expert , in his day...
But surely his book is way out of date by modern standards ?
I would not want to learn a subject by reading about ideas which are now passe.

I can see that you will have to be paid a visit from 'The New Forest Mafia'. A group of people who get things sorted without any violence whatsoever, but get their point over and never to be forgotten.

To tell you the truth Geoff, this book will still be the best for years to come.

You speak of modern standards, but the orchids have been out there for hundreds of years, just sitting quietly for people to enjoy.

As for modern books.........one artist portrayed the spurs of two orchids as pointing towards the ground........the artist was 180 degrees wrong. Another artist portrayed the markings on the leaves of the Common Spotted Orchid......trouble was that the markings were what you would expect to see on an Early Purple Orchid.

If anyone is only slightly interested in our wild orchids and can find a good copy of this book at a reasonable price, then I would grab it.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wild Orchid Books.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

I have the book: 'Orchids of Britain' by David Lang and I do regard it as a very good book, but it has 213 pages where Summerhayes book has 366 pages.

I guess it is up to the individual, bit I would always go for Summerhays first, Lang second.

I especially like Summerhayes piece about the hybrids between the 'Palmate' orchids.

From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: My Aerides
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

John, I measured the plant today and its 35 inches from the top of the 8" pot to the end of the top leaf. The open flowered spike is about 2 foot long.

Geoff, I will have to top cut it eventually, thats how I bought it 2.5 years ago at a length of about 2 foot. It grows well.

The house I grow it in houses my Paphs & Phrags plus a dozen or so different genera and the temp ranges from 8c to whatevery let it get to in the summer.
I have 6 other Aerides that are smaller fortunately, and they are growing just as well. You don't need a lot of warmth.
Its growing straight up with a stake support. It should hang down but that would make it impossible to cart around.

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another non orchid question.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

When you get the small square with a red cross in the
middle it means an image has been sent but it can't
open. If the little box has a small logo (hard to
distinguish) you open the picture, Sometimes your
virus control blocks, and other times it could the
senders fault. In Windows I just hit the square and
it opens. In Linux I have to save it and then open
it. This is why I often give the group an address to
see the plant rather then send a picture attachment.
But then I am lucky in that most of my pictures on on
the Internet.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Summerhayes Orchid book.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

It's not a question of how long the orchids have been there, Roger , but
orchid taxonomy moves on.

DNA analysis shows that parallel evolution has produced something which
looks so much like a Helleborine, but is actually in a different genus, and
so on. Why go on calling it a Helleborine, and shut your eyes to the fact
that it should be called something else ?

Where would you draw the line − with Linneaus, who called them all
Epidendrums ? ,

Why stop there ? Each correction brings us nearer to a proper understanding.
Come all the way , get it right ! Why not ?

I met a guy from Collins at a literary do a few years ago, and asked why
they didn't reprint The New Naturalist series − they were brilliant -the
basis of much of my early reading in the field. I still have a few on my
shelves (The World of the Soil , some of the Lepidoptera ones, etc.,) The
answer I got was that they were out of date. Much better works exist , and
they are publishing them.

Try Collins Photo Guide "Orchids of Britain and Europe" − Pierre Delforge.
812 colour photographs − and none upside down !. English version 1995 − so
there may be better and later out there.

Thankyou for your comments. As C. mossiae has over 20,00 projeny and C. skinneri has 150 I still wonder why C. Kiwanda was never used. I will cross them and hope to find someone to sow the seed. Regards

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cattleya wanted.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007

Does anyone know where I can buy Cattleya 'Sea Breeze' please. Our Italian friends are out of it.

From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Stress stress stress
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007

Everybody who's kindly answered my question about good beginners' books
a while ago − thanks to all. Only now do I feel I really have the time
to enjoy following the discussions here; I think the one to buy then is
Geoff's − I suspected as much from the beginning, but it always better
to get some good advice before spending the monumental amount this book
no doubt costs ;-)

A comment on Roy's Aeridea − it seems to grow on a straight line; I
assume you have been tying it to a stick or something to get it this
straight. Is this what most people do? I have always preferred to simply
leave the plants to grow whichever way they like − my Dendrobium nobile
looks like a hairstyle that would have interested Medusa a lot. I think
they look a lot better that way, perhaps because I am a wild and unruly
character at heart despite being the nearest thing to a chartered
accountant that you'll find in computing: System Manager (I don't dream
about being a lion tamer, though, like in the Python sketch).

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] red-cross boxes and blocked pics
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007

I haven't (I think) tried it with email attachments but if a red-crossed box
appears instead of an image you can right click on it if left clicking
fails, left click on 'show picture' . Failing that, right click again, look
at properties and then get its name. With a web-pic this will include an
address (of the thumbnail). Guesswork or experience will then allow you to
get the full-pic address and you can often get it 'direct'.
Some virus controllers give you the chance of opening a suspicious (to
the virus checker) attachment. I have to say that in my system (with AVG
free edition) most email attached jpgs open in the body of the email but
rarely I get a message that they have been removed! (not even a red cross
box!)
John

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: [OrchidTalk] Weird or what?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007

Another perfectly innocent message, this time from Roy in Australia about
his Aerides, has been returned by fs.net, fslife.co.uk, fsmail.net and
freeserve.co.uk (all orange-flavour these days, I believe) as 'Message
content rejected'. If subscribers with these providers wonder why they
appear to miss some messages, this is the reason.

From: Laura Peppiatt
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: How to rescue vandas?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007

I have much less experience than most of you that is why I mostly ask
questions and read your highly useful emails.

I was given two vandas to rescue. Both plants come from Homebase and had
lived in a glass jars probably for a year. Both plants have 4 old
spikes. One of them has almost no roots and another one a bit better and
has a side shoot.

Poor one I have hung upside down and surround it with Spanish moss.
Better one hangs in normal position with Spanish moss around. Both
plants I soak in a basket of water every day.

I have had these plants for a week. No signs of recovery yet but plants
have not deteriorated either.

Have I done anything wrong? Would it be better to leave plants in a
glass? What is the best way to get roots growing?

I have noticed that Spanish moss grows better outside. Is it OK to put
vandas outside when night temperature is above 15C? I have measured
temperature and humidity for a few days outdoors and humidity at night
can reach 90% when indoors its about 50%.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Weird or what?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007

If there is any logic in this , it's not according to any pattern I
recognise ; I had Dennis's message about the number of hybrids made from
different cattleya species and it went straight into the junk mail folder (
by Outlook I hasten to add , not by me )! What can have triggered that ?

I scan the junk mail when the number in that folder creeps up a bit , and
occasionally find one which should not be there and move it out , before
deleting the rest.

The others by the way were all fairly harmless − newsletters/sales pitches
from Itunes, Maplin, e-bay, Evesham Computers, a wine merchant or two etc.
Nowadays I don't get the rude stuff e.g. about increasing the size of
certain organs which I won't mention when there are ladies present...

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another non orchid question.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007

Beccy,
Maybe if your security settings are lower . . but there's a downside to
that! Attachments are a notorious vehicle for mischievous files and I guess
this is a penalty for living in a world of people with nothing better to do
than create mayhem. I wonder if it is possible to give clearance for
specific senders like members of OT? Someone out there'll know.
Mine (using Outlook Express) often automatically display and then a box
comes up warning me that attachments can be hazardous . . you can't win!
John

> Sorry guys, but there seem to be some knowledgeable computer people out
> there.....
>
> Does anyone know how do I can get pictures to automatically display
> themselves when I download a mail message to my hotmail app? I frequently
> see a small square with a red cross in the middle and right clicking and
> selecting "Show Picture" doesn't work either.

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Summerhayes Orchid book.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007

Roger,
For "orchids have been out there for hundreds of years," read "orchids have been out there for tens of millions of years at least,".
However, the taxonomy has only been done satisfactorily for a couple o' hundred or so. Any author, of any stage in the business, can make errors and most do. That isn't an excuse for fossilising knowledge and science at a specific stage!
Mind you, I'd like a copy of his book too but that's for historic interest.
John

> To tell you the truth Geoff, this book will still be the best for years
> to come.

> You speak of modern standards, but the orchids have been out there for
> hundreds of years, just sitting quietly for people to enjoy.

From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Weird or what?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007

I don't know Outlook, but perhaps it employs a magic device called a
'Bayesian filter' (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_filter) −
this is what Thunderbird uses, and you can 'train' it by marking emails
as junk (or unmarking the ones that aren't). Mine seems to recognise
just the ones that I think are SPAM now, which I think is an important
distinction − I don't necessarily agree with what an ISP thinks is SPAM
(or more often I think they let too many things through that I don't
want; perhaps they let adverts through from those that pay for it?)

Geoffrey Hands wrote:
> If there is any logic in this , it's not according to any pattern I
> recognise ; I had Dennis's message about the number of hybrids made from
> different cattleya species and it went straight into the junk mail folder (
> by Outlook I hasten to add , not by me )! What can have triggered that ?

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another non orchid question.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007

Thank you all for your help. I've now lowered my security setting, allowed
pop-ups from hotmail and tried 'hitting' the box, but no luck!!

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: I wonder!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007

I read (?) was told (?) by someone − maybe at the old Research Station (
horticultural − mainly fruit − near Stratford -on-Avon, when I lived there -
in the '80s ) that research showed that plants grew best at a wind speed of
about 22 mph, and the theory was that above that speed there was wind
damage, and below that speed it was easy for insect predators to settle.

> I was probably a bit quick off the mark sending you the site info − I was
> on my way hurriedly searching about Encyclia citrina which Margaret has
> managed to flower after having been given it about three years ago in a
> neglected state. I think it's supposed to be a tricky one. I tripped over
> the site I sent you on the way! I'd seen ultra-sonics and imagined it was
> going to be all new high tech but it's really a tidy way of spending
> loadsamoney.
>
> I can't believe that even Charlie emits that much CO2 (maybe a lot o' fog!)
> but I have often thought that there might just be something in cell contents
> agitation at some specific frequencies but I wouldn't like to seem to be
> supportive of conversational therapy for plants. (Growers maybe).
>
> I seem to recall someone somewhere doing research on plants agitated by wind
> as opposed to living in static condirions but that could be circulation and
> efficiency of gaseous exchange.

> > I speed-read the site John , but didn't see anything about audio ?
> >
> > Ultrasonics , yes , but that's not exactly new for producing "fog" . As to
> > damaging cells, it all depends on frequency and even more so, the power
> > input. ( I have forgotten how that is expressed ; I did some work on in
> > connection with pushing metal studs into solid plastic, using an ultrasonic
> > tool , causing the plastic to "flow" and fill in grooves in the stud etc -
> > but that must be 40 years ago now.)
> >
> > As to talking to the plants, I have always thought it was the extra CO2
> > which did the trick . Prince Charles claims it works, and I was told by one
> > of his gardeners that he had found that music via loudspeakers did not work-
> > which supported my view.
> >
> > Your site is selling a nice box of tricks − if you buy all the bells and
> > whistles you could grow some very good orchids. But the problem with a few
> > thousand dollars worth of kit to grow a dozen orchids, is that the kit will
> > have a short life ( in my own experience) and after the first say couple of
> > years one will be forever sourcing special bits of equipment and making
> > running repairs.
> >
> > Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I'm not gambling my own dollars to find out !

> > > I have always been a bit (a lot) cynical about speaking to plants and
> > > playing 'em music although I have harboured a reservation that it
> > > might be possible that tonal vibration might have something.
> > > Ultrasonics? If it doesn't completely destroy cells and or contents.
> > > I suppose it depends how ultra! After all, human audio spectrum gives
> > > up a bit low.

> > > Just a thought though and wondered if you'd any thoughts. Might get
> > > Margaret to train for La Boheme or something . . .!

> > > I thought that, for now, I'd keep it away from O-Talk but if there's
> > > anythin' in it, who knows.

From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Another non orchid question.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007

'Tina Stagg' sent me a message the other day (just testing something) with a
perfectly innocuous subject line and it (I) went straight into the antispam
folder with that lovely gentleman from Nigeria who seems to run some sort of
laundry.

> Beccy,
> Maybe if your security settings are lower . . but there's a downside to
> that!

From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: I wonder!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007

with a 10 x8 how many ft per min/sec/hr is that (minds too tired to work it
out)

From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: I wonder!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007

Have I missed something or just become totally senile.
Ronbow
Bhotplant@aol.com wrote:

> with a 10 x8 how many ft per min/sec/hr is that (minds too tired to work
> it out)

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: I wonder!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007

Ooooooooh . . . . . . how about 43 m3/sec as a metric ballpark figure?
Or a big fan! assuming open ends to the greenhouse. Let's just say a lot of air or the calculation could run for weeks with hot air exceeding the result! Would probably blow mealie bugs away though! Convert back to imperial at your peril! (But then, maths was never my strongest point)
John

> with a 10 x8 how many ft per min/sec/hr is that (minds too tired to
> work it out)

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