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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:30

I've been given a very healthy phal Rossini with four flower spikes. But I forgot to ask what its flowers are like and I can't find in on the internet. Any ideas?

From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phal. Rossini
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:25

> I've been given a very healthy phal Rossini with four flower spikes. But
> I forgot to ask what its flowers are like and I can't find in on the
> internet. Any ideas?

From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phal. Rossini
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:25

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Payment by Bank/plastic card.
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:50

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:55

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:00

It looks like a very good plant , aphids or no aphids , but of course I
can't see them on your picture even if I could on the plant.

But yes , I don't know what Hydrogen peroxide actually does , but they wash
away when I spray it on , and they are not there tomorrow. I use it on any
of my orchids , including flowers and buds. The place where I often find
aphids is on the flower spike of reed-stem epidendrums ( E. radicans etc.)
and it certainly cleans them up very easily and does no apparent harm.

I use a small pump action spray , it is one which originally contained a
kitchen surface cleaner, well washed out. It is a lot easier than wiping all
the surfaces involved.

> Can I use the same method for clean this Brassia angusta ?? Whit flowers
> ????

From: suzanne sadler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phal. Rossini
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:50

From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:10

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] orchids in the garden (UK)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:10

I have a few orchids in the garden , not counting those which go out for a
limited time only.

Bletia − I suppose striatus , the pink chap which was once known as 'the
Woolworth orchid' . Some spikes were blasted by a frost , we get the
occasional light one , here, even on the South Coast . The survivors
produced the strongest colour − darkest pink flowers I have seen on this
species. Presumably the cold helps , as it does with colour in Pleiones.

I also splashed ( went mad) and bought some of the modern Cyprepedium
hybrids. I realised that the ones I saw and fell in love with probably
amounted to upwards of a hundred flowering stems in one bed , and discovered
that they cost £30-£50 per single growth plant, but I splashed out for 3
each of two kinds, as a one-off experiment. I had two or three short-lived
flowers last year , I was not expecting much, but even then, it was a
disappointment. This year , no trace at the beginning of this month, so I
mentally ear-marked the sites for something else . But to day see that one
of the sites shows three lots of growths , two per plant , a doubling of the
numbers. Some buds visible too !. If worthwhile, I'll post a picture.

From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phal. Rossini
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:25

Hello,
I am wondering what is so special about Phal Rossini. I have a number of Hybrid Phals that seem identical or as near as makes no matter.
Ronbow.

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:05

You talk about Epi radicans. I have had this orchid
for about three years now. Never managed to get a
spike out of it, although it grows well and it's
getting alot of sunlight. It is now well over a foot
tall, and still see no signs of flowers any time
soon... Any advice?

I have asked about tours recently. I know in your
website you offer orchid tours, but when I click on
the link, it says it cannot find the page... Could you
email me some info directly to my address, so that we
don't clogg the group with things that might not
interest everyone?

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fw: Bulbo. Lepidum
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:15

Here is my first flowering of this plant. The underside of the leaves are bright purple.. Gordon.

From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:10

as a chemist, I would avoid using potassium permanganate in any human
environment. Manganese is a heavy metal, with alleged neurotoxicity (it could
be connected to an early insurgence of Parkinson's desease). Permanganate is
a strong oxidising substance, and could be dangerous if improperly handled.
There are much safer means for water disinfection, like hydrogen peroxide, or
bleach for instance.
Cheers

From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:15

which concentration of H2O2 do you use to directly spray plants? Is it also
effective against mealy bugs? Your method sounds really interesting, as I've
read that most orchids can actually stand up to about 5% concentration (it is
produced naturally by some species when they are wounded).

> But yes − I don't know what Hydrogen peroxide actually does − but they wash
> away when I spray it on , and they are not there tomorrow. I use it on
> any of my orchids − including flowers and buds. The place where I often
> find aphids is on the flower spike of reed-stem epidendrums ( E. radicans
> etc.) and it certainly cleans them up very easily and does no apparent
> harm.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:40

Nowhere near tall enough. Mine gets to 4 or 5 feet , then starts to spike -
the flowers are up in the roof, some 9 feet high !
Not a window-sill plant !

> You talk about Epi radicans. I have had this orchid
> for about three years now. Never managed to get a
> spike out of it, although it grows well and it's
> getting alot of sunlight. It is now well over a foot
> tall, and still see no signs of flowers any time
> soon... Any advice?

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:45

> which concentration of H2O2 do you use to directly spray plants? Is it also
>
> effective against mealy bugs? Your method sounds really interesting, as I've
> read that most orchids can actually stand up to about 5% concentration (it
> is produced naturally by some species when they are wounded).

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:05

My mother of 87 years was prescribed a dilute Potassium permanganate
solution for her fungal foot infection. We are talking literally about a
pinch in 45 gallons(imperial) of water. Hydrogen peroxide would not last a
day, as it breaks down to water and oxygen Very quickly. With bleach , I
would not breathing in chlorine gas, but it depends on the concentration. If
you want to use bleach I would go for a solution of Calcium hypochlorite
which I use to sterilise my orchid seed with (10% w/v).

From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:50

Thanks Geoffrey. I like very much the idea of a ready-to-use and clean pesticide. I have been using mineral oil suspension on my other plants and it can be messy. If the cost is not much more than the mineral oil, I'm switching over to peroxide! cheers, esther

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:40

Sorry, Got my imperial and metric mixed up! I meant to
say over a meter... It's that three feet?

> Nowhere near tall enough. Mine gets to 4 or 5 feet , then starts to
> spike − the flowers are up in the roof, some 9 feet high ! Not a
> window-sill plant !

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] H2O2
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:05

A good question − but I am afraid that I don't watch that closely. In my
collection there is always something in bud or flower, and plants get looked
at occasionally and repotted, and sometimes I can see that I have had the
plant for a long time and it has never flowered and I might do something
different with it . But to look at a plant − especially one I have had for
years ( and which is probably in flower on and off all the time, ) and say "
that growth took x years" − I can't do it.
Geoff

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30

Having changed jobs I have also changed plants, from a couple of Bletilla
striata to 100 Cymbidiums and a miscellaneous collection of 500 warmer
growing orchids. In the past 10 months I've managed to get some of the Paphs
to flower, the phalaenopsis to do fairly well, got the Calanthe through a
dormant period and even got one to flower and also got the attached bloom
(very much going over now) on an unknown plant. My problem is that my bosses
favourite is Burrageara Nelly Isler and I've only had half a flower spike in
all this time!

Knowing next to nothing about orchids I have followed the care regime that I
was given:

26:6:11 and Magnesium sulphate once every third week in the summer,
15:7:30 and Magnesium sulphate once every third week the rest of the year
and they used to add Calcium nitrate at every feed but I've been told this
will drop out of suspension with the other minerals present so I now do one
feed every 3 or 4 months with only Calcium nitrate.

A weak foliar feed is applied in a mist most days using the 26:6:11 or
26:6:30 as the season dictates and I water when they are dry and − dare I
say it − I have the time!

Rainwater is used at all times, temperature: min of 20C and max of 30C and
humidity kept at about 70%. Shading is present year round with an extra
layer added for the summer.

The whole section of the collection with leaves similar to the Burrageara,
some with pseudobulbs − I should mention none of the plants are labelled −
and some without are hanging about but just not doing much! Whilst the
Dendrobiums are slowly dying. :(

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:40

Probably your plant is Angraecum sesquipedale.BYW it is better to resize
your pictures − some people will have difficulty in viewing one this big.

Your fertiliser numbers are rather meaningless , since it is the amount
given which is more critical than the precise balance . Personally I'm
moving towards the view that feed of any kind at any level is quite useless,
and better not given for all that part of a year when a plant is just
ticking over doing nothing , keeping the feed for the time when it is
actually developing a growth or a flower spike.Of course, some are in growth
the whole year , others just for a few weeks ( dendrobiums for example).

The missing factor in giving more advice , is where are you ? Florida is
very different from Folkestone in terms opf what to do with orchids.!

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wants List.
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:25

A friend of mine has asked me to see if Odontioda 'Florence Sterling' is available anywhere in the U.K., or perhaps on the Continent.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:00

Time was when Charlesworths had an illustration on the front of their
catalogue ( they used to do posh printed colour catalogues, way back. ( just
like Carter & Holmes etc do now ) − and Flo Stirling on the front − but a
dozen or more all different colours , all superb odont flowers.It was an
extremely variable cross. Now that was before the business was sold to Mc
Beans, and that was before McBeans went bust , etc etc. maybe 40 years ago ?

From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:20

has anyone a photo of florence stirling??i have a helen perlite *cabernet*
x florence stirling, be nice to see what it should look like!!

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 08:00

Oh dear! I thought I'd been fairly comprehensive with info! I'm in north
Hampshire, England.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 08:40

> Oh dear! I thought I'd been fairly comprehensive with info! I'm in north
> Hampshire, England.

Ah not far from me, then. Makes it easier to compare conditions :-) Trying
to read between the lines of your original message it seemed as if the
collection might be part of your job rather than a hobby (you mention your
boss's favourite), which would add to the pressure. Is that the case?

As a start, can you tell me approximately what size is the greenhouse,
which way does it face and do you have any fans going to create good air
movement?

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wants List.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 08:55

Does anyone know where I can buy Iwanagara Apple Blossom. And also where do I look to see who made the cross [Iwanag] and when.

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:40

David Stead Orchids CattleyasIWANAGARA Apple Blossom 'dark 22', IWANAGARA Apple Blossom 'dark 22' Ref: 06-022 ... IWANAGARA Apple Blossom 'Hihimanu', IWANAGARA Apple Blossom 'Hihimanu' ...
www.davidsteadorchids.co.uk/acatalog/Cattleyas1.html − 25k − Cached − Similar pages

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Iwanagara Apple Blossom
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:30

Rocky, yesterday I went to a Home Depot and noticed a
bench of Iwanagara Apple Blossom that didn't get sold
for Mothers Day. I have a few divisions of my plant.
Maybe you can get a piece of mine when you come for
the WOC.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:05

The way to measure the strength of the fertiliser solution is an EC meter .
Water conducts electricity , and the conductivity varies with the amount of
salts ( fertiliser) in solution. Get it too weak , and the plants are
starved , too strong and the roots are scorched . But there's a big zone in
the middle where they will get enough. I suggest about 500microSiemens
500mS is about right. You can get an EC meter from the usual supply places
- google "Hanna" ...

You can usefully check pH too. If too low ( say below 5.5 , plants can't
take up calcium very well, and your Calcium nitrate is wasted. Too high -
say above 6.3 and the iron uptake is near zero − and your mag sulphate is
wasted − but worse than waste is that growth will be restricted. Aim for say
6.0 . You can buy a combined pH and Ec meter − the latest ones are
excellent , waterproof, last years on one battery , and cost less than 2
separate meters, one of which will be rather tricky and easy to damage.

Hope this helps. If you want more lots of folk here will be glad to give
you advice − which can easily be different from mine. There is more than one
way to kill an orchid as well as a cat !

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:10

I must have a lot of slides of different Flo Stirlings ( Doctor Stirling
was an RHS Orchid Committee member for many years , by the way ) but it's a
pain to search them . so no promises − not till I've done the Probus
Accounts, Our Income Tax returns, tried some of the tutorials on the new
Photoshop , really got down to exporting waypoints from Memory Map to
Garmin, tried a demo of the new Dreamweaver , finished reading that book
about CSS and then sorted the problems in my web-site .etc. etc..
geoff

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:15

I have had it from Ratcliffes in the days when they brought in stuff from
Florida , and more recently a named clone from our Italian friends − I have
a feeling they listed it somewhere other than "Cattleyas" -

> Does anyone know where I can buy Iwanagara Apple Blossom. And also where do
> I look to see who made the cross [Iwanag] and when.

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:40

Thanks for the interest. Yes, indeed, the orchids are part of my workload,
enjoyable, but stressful too! I guess the greenhouse floor space is about
15' x 10', facing roughly north/south and with 2 fans at different levels to
improve airflow. One side − where the Burragearas, Oncidiums and Dendrobiums
- has a wooden slatted bench, open underneath. The other side is also wooden
slats with another shelf underneath covered with gravel. The misting nozzles
are about 10" off the mostly concrete floor but about a third is also
gravel.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:05

Not a lot. I think maybe the temperature is too high for the Burragearas,
Oncidiums and Dendrobiums (depending which type of dendrobiums they are),
assuming they are in the same house as the Paphs, Phals and Calanthes.

From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:55

the florence stirling cross came from Orchid Answers and as he (Ray
Bilton)came from Mcbeans i asume
florence came with him??

From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:15

Hi Beccy, Having read with interest thus far, I would like to add that I
grow mainly Cymbidiums, and am situated in fairly close proximity to your
area, and I would like to help with this part of your query if I can.
In your original query you say that you have about 100 Cymbidiums + 500
other various orchids including Phals − you only mention one greenhouse (or
should I say Orchid House ?), and you only mention one temperature range.
So are they all together in same conditions in the one house ? If so I must
agree with Tricia's comment regarding temperatures, as the Cymbidiums prefer
to grow much cooler than the Phals, which you say are doing OK − so I would
not expect the Cymbids to be at their best in these conditions.

My greenhouse has a similar floor space to yours, and I cannot imagine
getting another 500 orchids into it in addition to the Cymbidiums (a similar
number to you), therefore I hope you are going to say that they are housed
separately ? and they can be given the space and temperatures best suited
to them ? Mine will all be put outside very soon for the summer months -
are you planning to do this ?
Also, What type of compost are they in ?
Regards, Sheila Bicknell

From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:35

Yes indeed. Isn't life a bind. Much nicer before PC's with emails and spam and all the other stuff. Stop the world, I want to get off!
Cheers,
Ronbow

Geoffrey Hands wrote:
> I must have a lot of slides of different Flo Stirlings ( Doctor
> Stirling was an RHS Orchid Committee member for many years , by the way
> ) but it's a pain to search them . so no promises − not till I've done
> the Probus Accounts, Our Income Tax returns, tried some of the
> tutorials on the new Photoshop , really got down to exporting waypoints
> from Memory Map to Garmin, tried a demo of the new Dreamweaver ,
> finished reading that book about CSS and then sorted the problems in my
> web-site .etc. etc..

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:40

Thanks very much for the information and the correct websire address for David Stead, as I had tried a few but to no avail.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Iwanagara Apple Blossom
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:45

Rocky, yesterday I went to a Home Depot and noticed a bench of Iwanagara
Apple Blossom that didn't get sol for Mothers Day. I have a few divisions
of my plant.

Nothing like rubbing salt in the wounds, ha, ha. Can you tell me if those
on the bench and yours have slightly different colours, especially if any of
them have that delicate piping around the edges of the floral parts.

Its raining here and is set in for all day, but we do need the
rain........we don't need the cooler temperatures that go with it. At least
I am busy in my workshop all day doing some re-organising.

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:20

The Cymbids are indeed in a much cooler house for the winter months at a min
of 10C and I have put half of them outside (didn't want to risk them all!)
under shading so that that greenhouse doesn't feel so cramped! The others
will move outside soon. I've also moved the majority of the Dendrobiums into
the cooler house recently. The Miltonias were in the cooler house last
summer but since I moved them into the warm for the winter I can't
distinguish them! I haven't mentioned the suffering Oncidiums whose
pseudobulbs are generally tending to (literally) bend / curl up and look
withered at all times.

I've managed to produce enough flowers on the Phalaenopsis and Phaps for
displays but would really like to manage to look after them all better.

As for potting medium, well there's quite a mixture. Some are in florists
oasis, some in a mix of ceramis, vermiculite and fine bark, some in rock
wool and bark whilst some (in particular those that I have repotted) are in
mostly medium bark (having previously read Rocky's culture notes) with some
moss intermixed (as I can't water individually every day). The rock wool I
felt was far too wet for these babies so I've generally repotted these. The
ceramis etc mix also seemed too dense and water-retaining.

The cymbids are in either pure bark or bark with a little rockwool (those
that I have repotted). Many of them were very congested and I have split and
repotted many of these but didn't get results as good as I had expected.
Watering alternately with rainwater and rainwater with a little liquid
seaweed feed did very well for me last time I had Cymbids to look after with
90% flowering success. This year it was probably only 10% at the most. Any
suggestions for imrovement here would be good too!!

As for temperatues, I read Tricia's comments (thanks, Tricia) but only
really have the 3 options: outside, min 10C (other house plants housed here
too) and 20-30C.

As for feeding, reading Geoff's comments, I think I'd better splash out on a
meter to be sure of what I'm giving them.

From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:40

You say that McLean's went bust. When did they restart? It must have been a long time ago − they got a gold medal at Chelsea last week!

> Time was when Charlesworths had an illustration on the front of their
> catalogue ( they used to do posh printed colour catalogues, way back. (
> just like Carter & Holmes etc do now ) − and Flo Stirling on the front -
> but a dozen or more all different colours , all superb odont flowers.It
> was an extremely variable cross. Now that was before the business was
> sold to Mc Beans, and that was before McBeans went bust , etc etc. maybe
> 40 years ago ?

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:55

That would be right − Ray started Orchid Answers after McBeans was sold to
the present owner , and perhaps he took some plants or flasks with him − I
don't have any details about that.

> the florence stirling cross came from Orchid Answers and as he (Ray
> Bilton)came from Mcbeans i asume

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:55

Hey Sheila, you don't want to water orchids every day ! That's one way to
get rotten roots in bark or anything else − with the sole exception of
orchids potted in free draining rock lumps − and even then I'd think that
too often !
Geoff

> The Cymbids are indeed in a much cooler house for the winter months at a min
> of 10C...

> As for potting medium, well there's quite a mixture. Some are in florists
> oasis, some in a mix of ceramis, vermiculite and fine bark, some in rock
> wool and bark whilst some (in particular those that I have repotted) are in
> mostly medium bark (having previously read Rocky's culture notes) with some
> moss intermixed (as I can't water individually every day).

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wants List.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:05

You know what happens in this country − the company goes bust , the Receiver
moves in and runs the Company , then sells it to someone, and as far as you
and I know, it's the same Company , same name, etc.

I could spell out the alternatives in law about buying shares or buying
goodwill etc − but I won't bore you. Perhaps it's now McBeans (1990) Ltd if
you ever see a legal document. I don't actually know.

I recall that it was about 12-15 years ago − I toyed with the idea of buying
the bust company myself − it was really going for a song considering there
were said to be over a million plants included ( maybe they counted flasks
as 50s − I don't know ) but extricating myself from the law firm in which I
was a partner would have been tricky, time consuming and maybe financially
very disadvantageous, and after much discussion ( with my wife) we agreed
that I was just 5 or 10 years too old to think about it − I was within a
very few years of retirement myself.

> You say that McLean's went bust. When did they restart? It must have been a
> long time ago − they got a gold medal at Chelsea last week!

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Beccy's plants.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:55

My own views on where to put them in the garden go like this: Put them in the sunniest position you can find, because in their natural lands they have a very hot sunshine on them. Our sunshine will not harm them, nor will it harm our natural garden plants.

As to the high tech fertiliser feeding with micro whatever and the use of conductivity meters, all I say is this, what's wrong with a teaspoon to a gallon or whatever. DO THE ORCHIDS LOOK ANY BETTER AT THE END OF THE SEASON???

And I am not running down anyone who does it this way, all I am saying is why bother with all the fuss. To give you an idea, I recently looked at the website of the orchid society that I belong to. Wessex Orchid Society. I do like my Cattleyas and its many hybrids, and the other day I was looking at the programme to see when Mike Armstrong was coming to speak to us as I did not want to miss it. Then I saw a piece about his views on fertilising..........hell! It was enough to drive people away from starting on this wonderful hobby. No doubt I will meet him and have a damned good friendly chat and I will ask him all about it.

Two old friends of mine, sadly now departed many years ago, used the simple method and produced some magnificent orchids. One of them was a 'Plantsman' from a well established large firm and he knew what he was talking about, but he still used the simple easy method.

From: patricia scott
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid info
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:10

Hello beccy − you may already know this but there is lots of info on
temperature, light etc of 7000 orchid species on jay Pfahl's orchid
encyclopedia

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Odontioda Florence Stirling
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:55

Three awarded ones are shown on the Hermanns RHS CD − Lyoth Princess, Memory
and Whatcroft Hall ( which is where Dr S lived, as I remember it ). Awarded
1960, 1959 and 1949 respectively − all AM/RHS.

Of course the CD is set up so that images cannot be copied . The usual
tricks like right click, copy, open in Photoshop , improve, save and e-mail
- they just don't work. ( But if anyone has any other ideas, I'll listen )

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:00

Hi Geoff,
re the rock lumps and watering − that's what I was thinking. I did buy a bag
of pumis but couldn't bring myself to experiment with someone else's plants
or commit myself to (almost) daily watering!
B

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Odontioda Florence Stirling
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:50

Geoff said 'Of course the CD is set up so that images
cannot be copied'. All images that appear on the
screen can be saved. Ksnapshot is open source and is
free − I use this in Linux and I could use it in
windows. In windows I use Snagnit. Both will save
everything, legal or not. I usually save things as a
jpg. even documents.

This will get you to the download of Ksnapshot:
http://www.ibiblio.org/[..]/Linux/X11/xutils/ksnapshot-0.2.7.tar.gz

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Iwanagara Apple Blossom
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:30

I have seen the clone that has no pink edge, but the
ones at Home Depot and mine have a pink halo around
the petals and lip.
Our rainy season is form June to October. This year
June started about the middle of May. The rain is
keeping us cooler then normal. It's comfortable but
the Lotus and the Ae Ae banana don't like it.

> Nothing like rubbing salt in the wounds, ha, ha. Can
> you tell me if those on the bench and yours have
> slightly different colours, especially if any of
> them have that delicate piping around the edges of
> the floral parts.

> Its raining here and is set in for all day, but we
> do need the rain........we don't need the cooler
> temperatures that go with it. At least I am busy in
> my workshop all day doing some re-organising.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Beccy's plants.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 05:10

Alan Moon use to say that the meter was the only essential piece of
equipment in the whole place ; he wouldn't be without one..

> As to the high tech fertiliser feeding with micro whatever and the use of
> conductivity meters, all I say is this, what's wrong with a teaspoon to a
> gallon or whatever. DO THE ORCHIDS LOOK ANY BETTER AT THE END OF THE
> SEASON???

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid books on ebay.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:55

I have put some orchid related books on ebay up for
auction. If you would like to have a look at them (or
bid on them) here are the links:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih011&sspagenameSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem&item320119833962&rd1&rd1

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih011&sspagenameSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem&item320119835964&rd1&rd1

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih011&sspagenameSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem&item320119837247&rd1&rd1

Tricia, I hope this is ok and I don't get in any
trouble for putting these links in here?

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Orchid books on ebay.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:45

It's fine Francis, but it would be a good idea to include details of the
books i.e titles, authors, condition etc. if you want to encourage people
to have a look.

The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was.

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Odontioda Florence Stirling
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:15

When pictures are copyrighted and you can't copy them
like that, what I do is copy the screen (there should
be a key on your keyboard that says Print Scrn
sysRq), then open any program and click on paste, et
voila! There you have it!

> Three awarded ones are shown on the Hermanns RHS CD
> − Lyoth Princess, Memory
> and Whatcroft Hall ( which is where Dr S lived, as I
> remember it ). Awarded
> 1960, 1959 and 1949 respectively − all AM/RHS.
>
>
>
> Of course the CD is set up so that images cannot be
> copied . The usual
> tricks like right click, copy, open in Photoshop ,
> improve, save and e-mail
> − they just don't work. ( But if anyone has any
> other ideas, I'll listen )
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
>

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid info
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:50

Thank you for the pointer, however, having taken over a collection which is
in an environment which has been carefully considered and presumably
successful, I feel that the light and temperatures must be the best options
for the mixed group. Coming into the job with no knowledge of orchids it has
been quite a challenge. I have been told that I've managed to get several
things flowering that they've not seen before and indeed kept more alive
than previously: they are augmented several times a year whether they are
needed or not and the house is now full to bursting with some struggling on
a shelf just above head height which it wasn't when I arrived. Perhaps the
previous incumbents were more cruel and threw away anything suffering, I
just want to nurse it back to health! They did have some commercial growers
come and give advice too, so I'm guessing it's really something I'm doing
day to day that's not encouraging the flowering.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:05

I have been known to preach the gospel of hydroculture − growing orchids in
Perlite, and standing permanently in 2cm of water/nutrients . Also, to a
lesser extent, hydroponics, growing in Hydroleca ( sometimes sold as baked
clay pebbles) using flood and drain at intervals of time -and got some
fantastic results . My lectures to most Orchid Societies, and articles
published in the orchid journals have led to many people using this with a
lot of success.

But it's horses for courses . That was then, and there. Here and now it
doesn't seem to give me the results I want ( different greenhouse, different
growing conditions, different plants , and currently I have paphs only in
the hydroculture system, and plan to move them out before the autumn.

Roger grows, or did, in gravel which provides no nutrient itself, and
presumably holds little moisture ( depending on how well it was washed,
particle size, nature of the mineral source , etc) and consequently he needs
to water frequently.

But I think with plants not your own you have to be rather more main-stream,
conventional.

And in general you will do better to get them all into similar composts , as
and when you repot. Orchid Sundries ( Ratcliffes) near Winchester do a good
bark/perlite/charcoal 6:1:1 mix which is about the best I know of its kind,
available in 70 litre sacks too. There is also a good one ( if I do say it
myself) called Orchid Focus , which is the same one as sold by several
nurseries under their own name , which you would find good for cymbidiums
and the thicker rooted orchids with bulbs.

Remember that whatever you hear about feed and composts, you need less in
an organic mix, more in an inorganic-purely mineral material.

> re the rock lumps and watering − that's what I was thinking. I did buy a bag
> of pumis but couldn't bring myself to experiment with someone else's plants
> or commit myself to (almost) daily watering!

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid info
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:25

> Thank you for the pointer, however, having taken over a collection which
> is in an environment which has been carefully considered and presumably
> successful, I feel that the light and temperatures must be the best
> options for the mixed group.

You say that the collection is in a carefully considered environment and
*presumably* successful. I would guess that some of the plants are
successful as the conditions you described for the orchid house sound ideal
for Phals and Paphs. However, those conditions are too warm for Oncidiums,
Burageara and a lot of Dendrobiums. Dendrobiums come in all 'flavours', so
it is hard to be specific about them without knowing exactly which ones are
in the collection.

I suspect your employers have been told that these plants will grow in the
warmer conditions, which is true up to a point − but they won't necessarily
thrive and flower. Like most of us (me included) who have caught the orchid
bug I guess they see something and must have it, especially as you say the
house is full to bursting!

Is there any chance they could be persuaded to install an intermediate
house either by building an extra greenhouse or extending one of the
existing ones? This would have the benefit that they could increase the
collection of their favourites like the Burageara and there would be a much
better chance of them flowering. We found that this was the best solution
for us and now have cool, intermediate and warm houses, albeit quite small
ones.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that I am sure it is not something you
are doing that is causing the lack of flowering.

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid books on ebay.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:50

The books are the Icones Pleurothallidinarum vols I,
II, and III. Recently adquired and brand new.

From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:30

Correction Geoff − It's not me that's talking about watering every day.
(I didn't mention watering at all in my reply to Beccy, I just asked her
about temperatures and compost before even considering offering further
advice)
Regards, Sheila

> Hey Sheila, you don't want to water orchids every day ! That's one way to
> get rotten roots in bark or anything else − with the sole exception of
> orchids potted in free draining rock lumps − and even then I'd think that
> too often !

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Burrageara Nelly Isler and others
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:35

My apologies Sheila − I was of course continuing the thread Beccy started,
and simply clicked on the last one in that thread and then "reply all".
Geoff

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Name that flower.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:30

Can anyone please suggest a name for this flower that has just recently opened. I would loosely call it an 'Odontocidium thingie'.

The leaves at the left hand side of the photo with the hard/chalk markings are from a couple of plants that have recently found their way into my greenhouse..........not my doing!!!

From: George Barnes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid Shows June/July 2007 in the North of England
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 18:45

The North of England Orchid Society will hold its annual show at Tatton Park
Knutsford, it will be the largest display of orchids and orchid plants for
sale in the North of England. This takes place in the Tenants Hall on the
10th of June.

On the 14th July they will hold a smaller but free show (most of their shows
are in fact free) at The Village Hall Plumley, Cheshire closely followed by
a competitive display at the RHS Show Tatton Park, visit their stand in the
Societies Marquee − Last year they won a Gold Medal and best display in the
Tent!

For more details and info on the show at Tatton park visit
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From: Antonio Ariza
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that flower.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:00

Miltonidium Pupukea Sunset (Miltonia warscewiczii x Oncidium
cheirophorum) is my humble guess. Very floriferous little thing once you
get it going. the plant is very compact and branches freely, often with
2 densely-flowered spikes per pseudobulb. Mine, however, didn't like my
erratic watering schedule and always had "accordeoned" leaves, so I gave
it away to somebody who had a greenhouse back in the dark ages when I
still didn't have one.

> Can anyone please suggest a name for this flower that has just recently
> opened. I would loosely call it an 'Odontocidium thingie'.

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid info
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:25

Beccy, I have been lurking on the fringes during these discussions and have these two observations. The North Hants Orchid Society taught me a lot whilst I was a member and they meet very close to you once a month and Tricia I am sure would introduce you. I caution about assuming that your orchid house was built by knowledgable people. There was the case of a conservatory built by two interior designers. They defined the temperature controlers, humidity controllers and a special glass that they could comfortably sit under. Unfortunatly all the plants would not grow as the special glass cut out the benificial rays that plants require. Their claim that the builder should have advised them was thrown out. Please do not assume that your predecessor designed the facility for that range of orchids or that they knew what they were doing. Remember that to assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.
Regards from a sunny, windy and cold Devon.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that flower.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:40

Reminds me of Onc.Debutante − the meristemmed clone was "Buttons and Bows" -
the first plant I ever put up for an award ( to the RHS) − and that was a
long time ago . − and incidentally Roger , bred by Mr Iwanaga ! ( for whom
, one imagines, Iwanagera is named )

The parents of Debutante are O.cariniferum and O.fuscatum. The flowers are
say 3-4 cm in N-S spread.

The other reminder is O.Twinkle ( O.cheirophorum x O.ornithorynchum − again
a distinctive lip. The flowers here are merely 1-2 cm high

Which may give you some ideas where to start looking , but Oncidium is a big
genus ( I have the wonderful Onc. Encyclopaedia which illustrates , is it
750 (?) different species .

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that flower.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:00

From: ema.orquideas Perú
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that flower.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:20

The flower is Oncidium fuscatum, but if you know that is a cross with other....I dont know the name cross.Look the picture.
I am sending the picture of my Oncidium fuscatum.
Regards
Erica

Erica Morón de Abad
Propagación y Conservación de Orquídeas Peruanas BiOrquidTropic Perú-Laboratorio (MR)
www.biorquidtropic.com

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that flower.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:55

You flower is Oncidium Hawaiian Sunset (Onc Pupukea Sunset X Onc fuscatum) or Miltonidium, depending on whether or not you consider fuscatum to be an Onc or a Miltonia. It's registered in both names.

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that flower.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 07:45

Could it be Odontocidium Pupukea Sunset or Hawaiian
Sunset? I don't really know the difference between the
two flowers, but it does look like either one of them
to me.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that flower.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:50

I recalling growing this , or was it Pupukea Sunset which I had (?) . Didn't
last long in my collection , maybe that's why it did not immediately come to
mind. But yes , looks familiar under those names.

> Your flower is Oncidium Hawaiian Sunset (Onc Pupukea Sunset X Onc fuscatum)
> or Miltonidium, depending on whether or not you consider fuscatum to be an
> Onc or a Miltonia. It's registered in both names.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Name that plant!!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:05

So, now I know the name of my plant...........................................or do I!!!

This must be the first time that I have been absolutely amazed at the different names for what seems to be the same plant.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: calling Jaybird, come in please, waiting to receive you, over...
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:10

Does anyone happen to know if the US Company Jaybird has gone bust or
anything like that ?

I have long extolled them for their humidifying fans, and they have given me
excellent service.

But , I need a new hygrostat − and any old hygrostat won't do 'cos its wired
in , piggy-back to the pump and fan with a seven wire cable − and some 5 or
6 weeks ago they were going to send one, but didn't , and they don't answer
e-mails any more.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Whats in a descriptive name?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:45

After all of the kind offers of a name for that orchid of mine, I thought that I ought to find out what the descriptive name means, especially as over the years I have become very interested in the 'Botanical Language'.

So, fuscatus/um means Browned and/or tanned. Well, well, well, if the cap fits wear it.

From: Barbara Larimer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] calling Jaybird, come in please, waiting to receive you, over...
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:50

Geoff, If you are referring to Jaybird Manufacturing in State College, PA, I
don't know at the moment. I called their toll free number and got the voice
mail but it's gone 5:00pm here. I will try them again tomorrow during
business hours and let you know what I find out. They are only a few hours
from here. I have a niece at Penn State − same town.

From: "Blowers, Dave"
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] calling Jaybird, come in please, waiting to receive you, over...
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:05

I ordered, and received, a whole load of spares from them only about a
month ago. No problems, no hold ups.
If they have gone off the air, I may have been just in time.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] calling Jaybird, come in please, waiting to receive you, over...
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:15

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid seed sowing medium
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:05

Has anyone got any recipes for sowing orchid seed and for replating which they can give me? This is as an alternative to the ready mixed which can be bought in phials?
Gordon.

From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid seed sowing medium
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:15

The Orchid Seedbank Project has it all, I seem to recall:
http://members.cox.net/ahicks51/osp/ − they have a large collection of
recipes: http://members.cox.net/lmlauman/osp/html/mcsg_database.html

From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A good orchid book?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:35

I am thinking about buying a small number of orchid books so I can
'infect' family and friends from time to time with the dreaded Orchid
Growing Virus; but which one is good? I haven't found any in ordinary
bookshops that are worth the money, in my opinion − what I want is
something that is concise, without too many irrelevant pictures of
pretty flowers, but with a lot of sensible information about how to
grow, what potting material people use in different conditions etc etc.
Oh, and it should be suitable for the keen beginner, so not too many
complicated species and hybrid names either.

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid info
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:45

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name that plant!!!!!
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:35

If you want to be REALLY amazed , try miltonias ( Miltoniopsis hybrids) I
don't know how many names have been registered − if I had half an hour to
spare ( if ! ) I might have a look on Wildcatt − but lets guess at a few
thousand.

And how many different flowers are there − 6 ? 10 ? no more than 20 anyway
( think pink, white, yellow, red , all with a contrasting dark mask,
waterfall patterns, how many more ? .

But then they are all bred from just a tiny few different species and
variants !

> So, now I know the name of my
> plant...........................................or do I!!!

> This must be the first time that I have been absolutely amazed at the
> different names for what seems to be the same plant.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A good orchid book?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:35

> I am thinking about buying a small number of orchid books so I can
> 'infect' family and friends from time to time with the dreaded Orchid
> Growing Virus; but which one is good? I haven't found any in ordinary
> bookshops that are worth the money, in my opinion − what I want is
> something that is concise, without too many irrelevant pictures of
> pretty flowers, but with a lot of sensible information about how to
> grow, what potting material people use in different conditions etc etc.
> Oh, and it should be suitable for the keen beginner, so not too many
> complicated species and hybrid names either.

From: Barbara Larimer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A good orchid book?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:20

Jan, What hooked me was The Orchid Thief by Susan Orlean. I am sure it
wasn't a sensation to experienced orchid people, but being virtually unaware
of orchids beyond corsages, it sunk the hook into me. More recently I
also enjoyed Orchid Fever by Eric Hansen − a look at the darker underbelly
of orchid commerce.

Unless someone has a strong interest in plants and gardening already, you
might find the mystique of orchids, presented more in story form will be
more infectious. It certainly worked for me and a few others of my
acquaintance.

From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A good orchid book?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:50

For your purpose I can recommend 'Orchids − Care and Cultivation' by Gerald
Leroy-Terquem and Jean Parisot, published by Cassell, ISBN 0-304-34329-3

I have dozens of orchid books but like this one for it's sensible
cultivation information on each genus, including composts. The layout is
attractive, too.

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A good orchid book?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:00

Jan,
I'd go along with Barbara's idea but what usually follows the inspiration is a wish to identify a few orchids.

A useful identification 'handbook' (ie. a book that can almost be held in one strong hand!) is Botanica's Orchids, published by Laurel Glen, San Diego. ISBN; 1-57145-721-6. I can't recall the price but I remember thinking it was many grams to the £ (or whatever your currency is!) and, so, good value by weight! It describes and illustrates (flowers of) some 1200 species (not hybrids).

For growth advice you can't go far wrong with any of the many Ritterhausen books which are really written for the non specialist and turn up second hand.

After that, the real enthusiast will begin to feel his/her way into the literature according to interest and need.
John Stanley

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A good orchid book? a handy hint
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:10

Oh!
I nearly forgot; there is an orchid handyman who has written a handy little book for beginners.
I haven't got his surname handy but his first name is Geoff. Try;
http://www.cambiumgardening.com/books/orchid/1402703503/
One the one hand it is written by one of this group, on the other hand he can be questioned personally.
That's two Hands . . . . if only I could think of his name . . Geoff something-or-other!
John

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Good book.
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:35

Do a 'Book Search' on the Internet for either of the two books by the author Walter Richter.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hybrids and names.
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:45

As Geoff has just said:
If you want to be REALLY amazed , try miltonias ( Miltoniopsis hybrids) I don't know how many names have been registered − if I had half an hour to spare ( if ! ) I might have a look on Wildcatt − but lets guess at a few thousand.

A few thousand, and that's just the Miltonias. How many hybrids from all of the other crossings since it all began?

I recently swapped information from a well known shall we say 'Orchid Establishment' about orchids in general and CITES cropped up. The person from this establishment was in full agreement with me that CITES take money under false pretences when customers go to buy plants that WE ALL KNOW ARE IN NO WAY 'ENDANGERED SPECIES'. This person said that it was like taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut.

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