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January 1—7

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] peloric, aquinii and flammea
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:55

There is room for good peloric orchid flowers. But
the cupped petals on some Phal. clones are not some of
the good ones. I doubt if you will see this cupping
in a seedling. The reason is that the phenomena
occurs when the cloning is done too quickly and the
chemistry is ramped up too high. One of the best
examples would be Phal Baldan's Kaleidoscope 'Golden
Treasure' AM/AOS. This clone has been cloned more than
any single Phal clone. The growers needed larger
numbers then the European and Americans could produce
and they found them in Asia with larger numbers and
cheaper. Around south Florida I knew 3 wholesale
growers that starting to get these crippled flowers.
At first they were destroyed. But when they found out
that people would buy them (thanks to the big box
stores), they sold them. I remember the Phal. Golden
Emperor FCC that I bought for $25 for one small clone
in a vile. Sometimes it bloomed very well and at
other times it had large callus protuberances on the
middle of the petal. Then some times it would cup the
petals. Worst of all sometimes all forms were on one
stem. About that time it left the market place for
all of them were virused, and I mean all of them. The
cupped petals are a fatal flaw and could not be judged
by the AOS judges and I doubt that any trained judge
would give it a second look.

Carmela has a peloric Phal that it sells, it's dark
pink and the clonal name is 'Bigfoot'. Bigfoot has
three symmetric petals. A Den. bigibbum type has a
group called pansy dendrobiums and they also have
three petals.

The yellow Dendrobium that was posted looked more like
an aquinii form. And then when it is more subtle you
get flammea types.

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From: jeff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Aerial roots.
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 08:20

Hello Sharon
There are several different points here
Aerial roots and water.. Yes the point here is the type and condition of the aerial root ( forget the colour for a minute)
The velamen is sponge like and can absorb more water if it is dry. Depending on many factors including plant type, growth rate, ambient conditions such as light , heat , humidity and gas/air composition ( yes carbon dioxide and oxygen and other gasses also play a part) and also root nutrients the velamen thickness and structure varies. The same growing root will adapt to a range of conditions to try and provide for best for the growing plant. If it dries out it looks whiter and if wet it becomes more " transparent". .
Now we can get back to the colour, if there are green pigmented chloroplasts then when you wet the root the colour will show through more.
Active or dormant roots
Yes you can certainly see the difference between an active growing root tip and as you call it a "dormant" one.
The latter sometimes just renew growth and extend and sometimes form new growing tips and branch. Not all active root tips
are green , as I mentioned before that will depend on whether they have photosynthetic pigments. If they were exposed to a certain amount of light ( eg aerial roots) then they could develop quite an amount of green chloroplasts, but if the roots were in the dark ( deep in compost for example) then they would not be green . So an active root tip need not be green.!! Also the size of the root is related to the genetic make up of the plant not just its health, but of course good and large growing root tips are excellent. Some hybrids are just poor growers and seem to struggle with poor roots and usually but not always, inferior flowers. Its rather frustrating trying to grow a plant with excellent flowers but a poor grower . People often then think that they are not giving the plant the correct growing conditions and continue to stress the plant by say repotting or worse!!
I have put a few comments below into your text ... I hope they help
Regards
Jeff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: 2007 Opens with a Wow!!!
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:35

Mornin' all, from a cloudless sunlit sky, with very little wind.

Yes, 2007 has opened with a 'Wow' as I describe it.

First there is that wonderful item from Jeff. Jeff I think you may be some sort of scientist going by what you say, but you have put it over in a way in which we can all understand. Thank you very much. One question for you please. I tell newcomers to orchid growing that when they see the velamen turn a grey or whitish colour it does not mean that the root needs more moisture, as the inner portion of the root is still packed with moisture/food. Can you please confirm this point.

JNS, thanks for your part in saying what we all know and think about most of those horrible peloric things, especially about the A.O.S. Judges etc. I well remember many years ago, the front cover of 'The Orchid Review' showed a photo of a Cymbidium, it was C. Mavoreen 'Jester'. I was maybe one of the first of the peloric types. Admittedly it did look quite nice, but I could see what had happened and made my own decisions.

And last but not least the excellent photos and explanations from Erica. Welcome aboard Erica. One item about the Catasetums that we did touch on in the past was one which I think deeply about and that is the strange but remarkable way in which the pollinia is ejected. The chances of it landing on an insects head cannot be very high.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: New Years wish.
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:40

So here is my New Years wish.

I wish that one day I will be able to buy such pots as shown in the attachment. What's that I here someone say..........Pigs might fly!!! Well, there is always room to dream.

By the way, the illustration of the pots came from one of the books in my collection, and it's title is: Orchid Growing In The Tropics. Orchid Society of South East Asia. 1993/4. Plenty of these books can be found in Google Book search for a very moderate price..........grab one while you can. ISBN 981-204-108-7

I rate this book very highly.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Disappointed/Erica
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:00

Hello Erica, and Happy New Year -
I enjoyed your very excellent photos − it is very easy
to see the differences between the male and female
flowers, and I have never seen the hermaphroditic
flower before.
Catasetums and Cycnoches are very weird and beautiful
to me − very unique, very bizarre.
Once my own Cycnoches produced a flowering of each
sex, it was easy to see the differences, though I had
been confused before seeing them so closely.
Wonderful pictures! Thanks − Nancy

~~~~~~~~~~~
"Woman was God's second mistake."
---Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."
---Leo Tolstoy (1828 − 1910)

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] That 'ugly' Phalaenopsis.
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:50

Hi Rocky,
I should have worded it differently. The ribbon was for the most
unusual plant on show. It was not an "Outstanding" plant but,
it "stood out" like a sore thumb.
This cross of Everspring Light MTF was a normal cross like any
other cross. Just some of the thousands of plants did not 'behave'
like all the others and turned out different.
Attached see the plant that is correct.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

Rocky wrote:

> Hi all,

> Nice to read what you said Tina. I absolutely agree, but what concerns
> me is the fact that as Peter it got a ribbon for being the most
> 'outstanding' plant in the show.

> It beggars belief. Did the people that give the ribbon have any
> knowledge of what they were actually looking at???

> Sorry Peter, but it was staring them in the face.

> I am baffled???

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From: timwalker+tim
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:15

Hi all

Thank you all so much for the replies − sorry I haven't replied, but its
been Christmas and we have been away. Hope you have all had a good Christmas
and a Happy New Year!
I have received three Orchid books for Christmas − two which pretty much
list various Orchids, with beautiful photographs and a (very) brief
description on how to care fro them.
The third is 'Orchids for Dummies' − not sure what anyone thinks of this
type of book... I have always been slightly dubious of the '...for Dummies'
books when it comes to Computers, but am not sure whether the information is
accurate for Orchids. Made good Christmas reading tho!

Thanks for all you good advice and suggestions. The book idea is obviously
one I am keen to pursue, as is searching for information on the internet. I
am also about to read through all the messages that have been sent over the
last 10 days on this list − should keep me quiet for an hour or two!

I have a couple of Phals − and the 10 day absence doesn't seem to have done
them any harm. One is from a well known DIY shop, and it says that it is
called 'Phal Orchidee', but I can't seem to find any reference to this on
the internet. Is this just a generic name that they have used?

Off to do my reading now!

Tim

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: What's in a name!
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:25

Hi Tim,

The ten day absence that your Phally received most probably did it more good than harm, especially as some complete newcomers would have watered it every seven days..........death often follows.

You will no doubt be surprised when you find out just how long they can be left to go without water.

As to the name 'Phal Orchidee', it is I suspect a Dutch or other country close to the border with Holland. that the ticket comes from. It means that your orchid is a Phalaenopsis, Phalaen means Moth, and opsis is a word ending that tells us all that it is similar to the first name, at least that's how I describe it. So, Phalaen Moth, opsis similar or looking like.

Orchidee I guess is Dutch for Orchid.

Best of luck with your reading.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] New Years wish − airborne pigs?!.
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:30

Rocky,
Pop into your local tile supplier and see if they stock a tile hole-cutter similar in design to the one illustrated on http://www.mk-diamond-saws.com/accessory_mkac152528.html. I am sure this will allow you to cut holes to your heart's desire in any ceramic pot! And it's adjustable from abouit half inch to about one and a half inches diameter.

The one in the illustration is a diamond cutter and pricier than you need. All you you need is a tungsten carbide one because plant pot ceramic is pretty soft. From memory, the one I have cost about £3. I have to admit that I haven't used mine on the curved surface of a pot (just on the flat one of a tile) but since you need only low speed on your drill there shouldn't be a great problem (and you arent dealing with a slippery glazed surface either.

In an issue of Orchid Review of about a year ago (I'm too idle to look it up) there were photos of some interesting 'holy pots' as used by Bateman of Biddulph Grange, Staffordshire (of Orchids of Mexico and Guatemala fame) in the mid 19thC. I guess he had his specially fired.

Of course, cutting nice holes in plastic (pots) could be done with an ordinary hole-saw intended for wood but it's hardly worth training pigs to fly for plastic pots is it?.

Best of luck

John

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From: Sylvain VAN DER WALDE
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:50

"timwalker+tim" wrote on Tuesday, January 02:

> Hi all
>
> Thank you all so much for the replies − sorry I haven't replied, but its
> been Christmas and we have been away. Hope you have all had a good
> Christmas
> and a Happy New Year!
> I have received three Orchid books for Christmas − two which pretty much
> list various Orchids, with beautiful photographs and a (very) brief
> description on how to care fro them.
> The third is 'Orchids for Dummies' − not sure what anyone thinks of this
> type of book... I have always been slightly dubious of the '...for
> Dummies'
> books when it comes to Computers, but am not sure whether the information
> is
> accurate for Orchids. Made good Christmas reading tho!
>
> Thanks for all you good advice and suggestions. The book idea is obviously
> one I am keen to pursue, as is searching for information on the internet.
> I
> am also about to read through all the messages that have been sent over
> the
> last 10 days on this list − should keep me quiet for an hour or two!
>
> I have a couple of Phals − and the 10 day absence doesn't seem to have
> done
> them any harm.

That's good, but ideally you should water them at least once weekly. As you
probably know already, there are 2 main types of Orchids (I can't readily
remember the names, and am too lazy to look at my books right now); but some
have leaves only (like your 2 Phals.), and the others have leaves and
pseudo-bulbs (they store water). Obviously, the ones with pseudo-bulbs will
be less sensitive to a water shortage. Which does not mean that they should
be neglected, of course.
Don't forget what I said about fertilizing. If you have hard tap water, then
don't add fertilizer.
If you are well off (financially) and keen enough, a good investment is a
xxx meter (damn memory, I can't remember the name of it right now); but it
measures the amount of dissolved salts that are in the water (in
micro-siemens). It enables you to very accurately measure the amount of
fertilizer to add to the water (assuming that it's soft tap water, rain
water, etc...).
A good addition to the Phals for a beginner (I'm an advanced beginner
myself) is the Dendrobium (Den., for short) Nobile.
I find it to be a vigorous growing plant.
One last important thing for now about re-flowering: I'll stick with your
Phals. They need a drop in temperature at night for a certain period of time
(your books will give you the details). This is most important.

> One is from a well known DIY shop, and it says that it is
> called 'Phal Orchidee', but I can't seem to find any reference to this on
> the internet. Is this just a generic name that they have used?

That, I believe, means "Phal Orchid" in Dutch. They don't seem to bother
with names anymore, as they're very extensibly hybridised.
It's nothing to worry about for a beginner. I'm sure that the plants came
with basic instructions (a leaflet) which should be sufficient for their
normal needs.

Sylvain.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Pots and Ribbons.
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:55

Mornin' all, from yet another gloomy dull day in the deep south,

Thanks for the information John, but I do not have any difficulty in cutting holes in my pots, but I was just dreaming as to how nice it would be to be able to buy such items in the U.K.

O.K. Peter, so I will take the handcuffs off you and give you a reprieve. The Phally in the photo is more to my liking. Symmetry is what it is all about as far as I am concerned with spotting/marking etc. That's why I am not very keen on the Odontoglossum crispum crosses that have very irregular spotting/marking. Maybe one dark brown marking on one sepal, and three on the other. So, as I thought, the ribbon was intended for you to strangle the plant, ha, ha.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Sylvain VAN DER WALDE
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] What's in a name!
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:50

"Roger Grier" wrote on Tuesday, January 02:

> Hi Tim,

> The ten day absence that your Phally received most probably did it more good
> than harm, especially as some complete newcomers would have watered it every
> seven days..........death often follows.

As I recommended to Tim that he waters at least once a week, I need to
qualify this. He is a beginner, and therefore probably has no greenhouse or
conservatory to keep his Orchids in. He may well be keeping his plants in a
centrally heated room with low humidity. Ideally, a Phal's roots should not
be allowed to dry out (I stand corrected about this, of course). As you say
correctly, overwatering is a killer; and it's better to underwater than
overwater. I recommended that he used see-through pots, as he could then see
the colour of the roots to help him decide when to water; and also the
appearance of the root tips, to show him how healthy the root system is.
I believe that I'm being ignored (probably because I rarely write), but I'd
like to remind everyone that I've been a member of this mailing list from
its very beginning, and still read it on a regular basis.
Finally, having "surfed the web" for a long time, I find that (frequently)
experts have opposing points of view, and that beginners really need to find
out for themselves what works best for them.

> You will no doubt be surprised when you find out just how long they can be
> left to go without water.

I would not care to find this out. For optimum results, Orchids should be
watered and fed adequately. We can't all afford to experiment with them as
you often do yourself.
P.S. I must admit that I have been disappointed with my own results, in
spite of all my efforts. I may have been too demanding; I don't really know.

Sylvain.

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Colour variation
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:55

Here are two pictures of the same plant, BLC Copper Queen showing marked difference between the colour in the last two flowerings − last July and presently. I can speculate that this may be due to the differencee between light levels in winter and summer but does anyone know the cause?

Anyway happy new year and good growing for 2007

Andy

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] What's in a name!
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:55

As a follow on, if you look on the label and find a web site try visiting it . You may see the orchid and its name. This is a good tip for many of these mass produced plants including orchids.
Regards from a wet but mild Devon

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:00

Orchidee is French for orchid
I thought the 'For Dummies' books on computers were quite good for dummies
and pensioners but I have never looked at the orchid equivalent.

Ron

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:00

How dare you insult pensioners, Ron! This one has grown up with computers
since they were invented. I may not know all the silly jargon but I know how
to make them do what I want them to do.

Tina

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Colour variation
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:10

Hello Andy

At first I thought it might be April 1st not January 1st.

Seedlings of BLC Copper Queen do show enormous variation. Are you sure you didn't acquire two seedlings, and therefore now two plants, in the same pot?

Regards, Tina

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From: jeff
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] 2007 Opens with a Wow!!!
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:20

Hello Rocky
Thanks for your kind words. Yes I am a Scientist but now I am very old and rather forgetful.
I think that you are right in that an orchid may not require more water simply because the velamen is white.
You were rather ahead of your time when you started to grow orchids on stones and I think that if
you can manage the different moisture and watering regime needed, that this cultivation technique for many orchid types, has much to commend it. In many ways it is a pity that Orchids are such a huge family of plants because there are so many diverse sub genera that each may need quite different techniques to be grown to perfection. Just calling them " Orchids" leads many newcomers down the path of " give them all similar treatment" and of course that simply causes frustration and losses.
I am sure that your keen observation is key to your success.
Anyway glad to hear that 2007 has started well for you... happy growing.
Jeff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Andy's eyesight !!!
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:35

Hi there Andy,

Tina thought that it was April 1st, but I reckon you have been hitting the bottle ha, ha.

To be quite honest Andy I thought you were pulling a fast one, but then having met you and had a good chat over a cuppa I know that you are telling the truth..........but I am totally amazed at the difference.

Now you are not as old as me, so you should not be suffering from the usual 'Loss of Memory', but is there a clear answer? Has Tina hit on a nerve !!!!!

I am sure that we will all be looking for your reply.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: timwalker+tim
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:40

Ooops.... Before this goes any further, I would like to apologise to anyone
and everyone! I am not a pensioner, (35), and have got some useful
information on particular topics in the computers for dummies books.... I
will let you know what I think of the Orchid one, and thanks for you comment
Ron.

The label that came with the plant (Orchidee) is limited to say the least -
tells you to water it and don't let it get too hot.... That's it, no website
listed. But thanks Dennis − that was a good idea, and one I shall bear in
mind for the future.

I have been looking at the lists at various nurseries, including Burnham -
so much choice!

Sylvian − I certainly wasn't ignoring you − you have provided a large
quantity of information and I think I will probably be printing out your
email (along with others) and sticking it on the wall as my quick reference
guide! I don't have a greenhouse yet, but coincidentally by wife has been
looking for one − and I have had to promise not to take it over!

As far as the Phal goes the roots look very healthy except for the 'aerial'
roots, (I use the tern with trepidation following recent posts!). They are
shrivelled and don't look at all healthy. During my spare time at work today
I did some surfing and it appears that the likely cause of this is not
enough humidity and I need to mist regularly; would anyone like to tell me
different, or offer advice on this? Plus, how ofter is regularly − once an
hour? Once a day?

Thank you all so much for your comments and the very warm welcome I have
received − I think whoever it was that said it is all 'Wheat' on this list
was spot on, and I have enjoyed reading everything that has come through.

Thanks, Tim

Tina Stagg wrote on 04 January 2007:

> How dare you insult pensioners, Ron! This one has grown up with computers
> since they were invented. I may not know all the silly jargon but I know how
> to make them do what I want them to do.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roots/watering/ahead of time.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:45

Hi Jeff,

When you said that you were rather very old and rather forgetful, let me please tell you my little story. People who are Senior Citizens quite often talk about being forgetful, but I say that the information that is stored in our heads takes just a bit longer to access. Take a person who is shall we say eighty years of age. That person has EIGHTY YEARS OF INFORMATION STORED IN THEIR HEAD. Youngsters of shall we say twenty years of age have twenty years of information stored in their heads..........that is just a quarter full. Say no more.

Roots and watering. Irrespective of the type of medium that the plant is growing in, I always wait until the velamen has turned from the normal greenish colour [root completely full of moisture] to the normal grey/white. At this stage it is only the velamen which has no moisture. The inner portion of the root is still packed full of moisture/food. One of these days, just let one of your plants go longer without you watering it, and IF you have a 'spare' root, then cut off a piece with a very sharp nice/scalpel and look at the cross section with a strong lens or microscope.

As to me being ahead of my time, well not quite. It was a few years after I had changed to my method that I came upon a couple of articles in 'The Orchid Review' and also some articles in the American Orchid Society Bulletin. They make very good reading.

Likewise the book that I mentioned a few days ago.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Advise for beginers.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:00

Hi Silvain,

It sure is good to hear from you again. Best of luck for 2007.

As regards our combined efforts to help newcomers, I think that they both will help them. First of all they will now be able to come to terms with this new information, which may seem quite alien to them, but it is much better to come from us members than from a Garden Centre person or from reading some of the labels and the type of book that offers nice glossy photos and not much else.

My answer to Jeff will be a good piece of advice for newcomers and old stagers alike.

What I do not like to see is information supplied to newcomers who have purchased an orchid in a very close nasty medium. The plant sits in a see through pot, excellent. The buyer is told to water the roots when they turn greyish white..........this is the fault. The inner portion of the root is still full. The medium is still damp and so it can supply the root with moisture for some time. I always advice to wait until the medium is almost completely dry before watering again. It is so very easy to keep the medium wet for too long and of course this in turn will eventually rot and kill the roots. There is no big air space in an overly wet medium.

Of course with my medium this cannot happen.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Correction!
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:25

1. I have checked with a Dutch friend who confirms that orchidee is
Dutch
for Orchid, not French as I had said.
2. Sorry Tina!
I am 81 and quite handy with a PC but, from my experience, we are a rare
breed, you & I and, no doubt, others in our group. But then, orchid
enthusiasts are special people, aren't they?
A0
Ron
A0

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:45

On the 1st of January I took 33 pictures for my site
so all of you can see the flowers in my winter garden.
This page will be removed in two weeks, but the
regular 'Flowers of Jan, 07' page will have many of
these pictures.

http://togofcoralgables.com/HappyNewYear.aspx

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roots/watering/ahead of time.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:25

Rocky I hear you: 'When you said that you were rather
very old and rather forgetful, let me please tell you
my little story. People who are Senior Citizens quite
often talk about being forgetful, but I say that the
information that is stored in our heads takes just a
bit longer to access. Take a person who is shall we
say eighty years of age. That person has EIGHTY YEARS
OF INFORMATION STORED IN THEIR HEAD. Youngsters of
shall we say twenty years of age have twenty years of
information stored in their heads..........that is
just a quarter full. Say no more.'

As a youngster in his 70's I have wife give me the
same story. I can still bring up the memory of my
crib and the tree outside the window. I left that
room when I was 24 months old. But I have forgotten
almost all of the beautiful young girls and ladies
that I dated. Well maybe I remember two or three.
And one of them often sets in the pew in front of us
on Sunday. Needless to say she shatters my memory of
her as a blond 17 year old. But one of my real
deficits are holding on to names. I could paint the
persons face but I can't put a name on the picture.
Most of us start loosing memories around 50. Not much
of a problem but I sure would like to remember your
name forget the address.

Related to this group I can even forget orchid names.
I can still remember my wives name and that counts.

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From: Sylvain VAN DER WALDE
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Advise for beginers.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:45

"Roger Grier" wrote on Thursday, January 04:

> Hi Silvain,

> It sure is good to hear from you again. Best of luck for 2007.

> Hello Rocky.
> As I wrote in my previous message, I have been reading the list on a regular
> basis, and that includes your messages. So there is no need for me to say
> that's it's nice to hear from you _again_. :)
> I also wish you the best for this New Year of 2007.

> As regards our combined efforts to help newcomers, I think that they both
> will help them. First of all they will now be able to come to terms with
> this new information, which may seem quite alien to them, but it is much
> better to come from us members than from a Garden Centre person or from
> reading some of the labels and the type of book that offers nice glossy
> photos and not much else.

I agree with your sentiments.

Sylvain.

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From: Sylvain VAN DER WALDE
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:10

"timwalker+tim" wrote on Thursday, January 04:

> Ooops.... Before this goes any further, I would like to apologise to
> anyone
> and everyone! I am not a pensioner, (35), and have got some useful
> information on particular topics in the computers for dummies books...

I'm 71. And I've just assembled my second PC computer from scratch.

> I will let you know what I think of the Orchid one, and thanks for you
> comment
> Ron.
>
> The label that came with the plant (Orchidee) is limited to say the
> least -
> tells you to water it and don't let it get too hot.... That's it, no
> website
> listed. But thanks Dennis − that was a good idea, and one I shall bear in
> mind for the future.
>
> I have been looking at the lists at various nurseries, including Burnham -
> so much choice!
>
> Sylvian − I certainly wasn't ignoring you

I know. I was making a sweeping statement which didn't include your good
self. I was premature however, as Rocky (Roger Grier) did post a reply.

> − you have provided a large
> quantity of information and I think I will probably be printing out your
> email (along with others) and sticking it on the wall as my quick
> reference
> guide! I don't have a greenhouse yet, but coincidentally by wife has been
> looking for one − and I have had to promise not to take it over!
>
> As far as the Phal goes the roots look very healthy

How do you know? Did you take the plant out of its pot? Or is the supplied
one a "see-through" type?

> except for the 'aerial'
> roots, (I use the tern with trepidation following recent posts!). They are
> shrivelled and don't look at all healthy.

That in my own experience is normal, and nothing to worry about. The
important roots are the ones in the pot.

> During my spare time at work today
> I did some surfing and it appears that the likely cause of this is not
> enough humidity and I need to mist regularly; would anyone like to tell me
> different, or offer advice on this?

You can try misting of course, but outside of a greenhouse it may not make
any difference. Mind you, it won't do any harm.
Please bear in mind that all my remarks, at the moment, apply only to your
Phals.

> Plus, how ofter is regularly − once an hour? Once a day?
>
Once a day should be alright. Mist when it's hot, and don't when it's cool.

> Thank you all so much for your comments and the very warm welcome I have
> received − I think whoever it was that said it is all 'Wheat' on this list
> was spot on, and I have enjoyed reading everything that has come through.
>

You're welcome.

Sylvain.

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From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:15

Hi Tim: My Phal's aerial roots are somewhat withered as well due to the low
ambient humidity where they are growing, but as those roots go into the moss
in which I keep them, they plump out nicely. Be careful with misting, if you
get water into the crowns you can say goodbye to the plants! I do mist the
roots only, occasionally when I think about it, but not too often -it won't
unwither them -the veleman on that part of the root is probably unable to
take up much water anyway. I do try to guide new roots into the moss, as if
they are left in the air only in my environment the whole root will surely
die.
Cheers
Sharon

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From: wildlife
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: first message
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:00

Hello to everybody, I am Calin Hodor from . I work as a park biologist in Retezat National Park, Carpathians. I am an ornithologist but the orchids start to fascinate me from many years ago. I am just a beginner and I have a lot of gaps in my knowledge related to the orchids. Even if we have an impressing 'orchidoflora', and very good and healthy habitats for orchids Romanian literature related is very poor. If somebody is interested in the Romanian orchids don't hesitate to send me questions. Please excuse my incorrect English but is quite difficult to learn alone a foreign language. I hope that my grammatically mistakes will not offence you. Best wishes, Calin

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] first message
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:05

Never apologise for your English. This site will never correct you (unless you ask). It takes a brave man to correspond in a foreign language.
I look for ward to seeing pictures of your Romanian orchids.
Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: What's in a name..........that is if you can remember it !
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:30

Hi 'Tropic',

I am sure that we all loved your piece about remembering names, especially the wife's name. And I'm a mere youngster at sixty nine, seventy later this year.

It would not be too bad but these damned boffins keep changing the orchid names.

Your thirty photos sure warmed up my day, as here it is the same old picture. Mild but wet and windy. No sunshine.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Romania new member.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:50

Hello Calin,

Welcome to our 'Club'. I have just been looking at a few websites of the Retezat National Park. I see it is in Hunedoara County and it looks very nice.

I am interested in the native wild orchids of the United Kingdom and I would like to exchange information with you.

At this moment in January I can walk just a few kilometres from my home and see three orchids. They are of course not in flower, but the leaves are there.

1. The Bee orchid. Ophrys apifera.
2. The Autumn Lady's Tresses. Spiranthes spiralis.
3. The Green veined orchid. Orchis morio.

There are some others that also grow their leaves in our Autumn and stand all through the Winter, but I would have to travel a little bit further.

Do you have similar orchids in the Park?

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Sylvain VAN DER WALDE
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [OrchidTalk] Newcomers to orchids.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:55

"Sharon Williams" wrote on Friday, January 05:

> Hi Tim: My Phal's aerial roots are somewhat withered as well due to the
> low ambient humidity where they are growing, but as those roots go into
> the moss in which I keep them, they plump out nicely.

> Be careful with misting not to get water into the crowns you can say
> goodbye to the plants!

Yes. A serious omission on my part. The crown being the top centre of the
plant (that info is for Tim). Mind you, this is more important when you're
watering.

> I do mist the roots only, occasionally when I think about it, but not too
> often -it won't unwither them -the veleman on that part of the root is
> probably unable to take up much water anyway. I do try to guide new roots
> into the moss,

> as if they are left in the air only in my environment the whole root will
> surely die.

My own experience is that they will stabilize and not get any worse. My
aerial roots stayed the same (somewhat withered) for years. I used to trim
these roots (lack of space) and found that they were still alright on the
inside (they weren't dead).

Sylvain.

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From: Barbara Larimer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] first message
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:00

Calin, Orchids in the Carpathians? I would love to see the indigenous
plants. Could you perhaps post some digital photos? I have friends who
have traveled to the Carpathians and they said it was a remarkably beautiful
region.

Welcome!

Barbara

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] first message
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:10

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Welcome to our talk group, Calin.

During the European Orchid Congress in Padova last February I went to a very interesting lecture on Romanian orchids and your national park, given by Andrei Lenard.

With the developments that are happening in wildlife education and in tourist infrastructure I am sure that your orchids will become known and appreciated by many more people.

Andrei is the president of the orchid Club of Romania − I would like to recommend the website, www.orchidclub.ro

Many regards,

Tina

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From: wildlife
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] first message
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:45

Hi Barbara, Indeed the Carpathians are more that beautiful. Before my actual job I worked as an eco-guide for British tourists especially in the Danube Delta and Carpathians and I still run holidays of this type every year with British companies. But this is other topic, I don’t want to be accused that I use this list for commercial porpoises. If you need information regarded this aspect of my work please contact my directly. The Carpathians are not just impressive from the landscapes point of view but is very rich in biodiversity. It is, maybe, the richest mountain area in Europe in order to species number and the quality of populations. I hope that the EU will not destroy our nature and our traditions linked especially with traditional grazing. I invite you all to come as soon as possible to see the Carpathians still unattached, Calin

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From: wildlife
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Romania new member.
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:10

Hello Rocky, Indeed the Retezat National Park is in Hunedoara County one of the richer, in biodiversity, mountain part of . In Hunedoara area is impossible to see something like herbaceous plants in these days because is all covered by snow. I am more interested in animals but I know that the Green veined is common at the lower part of Retezat and the Bee orchid was recorded in the park area too but I have no data about The Autumn Lady's Tresses here. I must admit that I am a little invidious on your skills. For me is very difficult to identify the species looking at their flowers, but you can tell which species is just looking at the leaves. Congratulation! Kind regards, Calin

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A Couple of Phals.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:00

After 26 years of growing orchids my wife has taken over growing them indoors, on our long kitchen windowsill.
I am not too keen on them as I was always a species boy, but you do get your monies worth out of them.
Find attached a couple of flowers I scanned on my new (top-end) scanner.
Hope some of you like them.

All the best for 2007.

Peter Fowler.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Question
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:45

Has anyone any experience with the use of Tea Tree oil on orchid plants and if so what were the results?

Gordon.

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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A Couple of Phals.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:00

Hi Peter

Don't you just hate those mutations? (I don't think)

Wish they were mine.

Tony

Peter Fowler wrote on January 07:

> After 26 years of growing orchids my wife has taken over growing them
> indoors, on our long kitchen windowsill.
> I am not too keen on them as I was always a species boy, but you do get
> your monies worth out of them. Find attached a couple of flowers I
> scanned on my new (top-end) scanner. Hope some of you like them.

> All the best for 2007.
Peter Fowler.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Question
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:10

I have never used Tea Tree Oil on orchids but i know it is a very effective fungicide. From 1955 to 2002 I suffered with athletes foot. I tried everything that came on the market to no avail. I was advised to try tea tree cream and in less than a week it had gone. I then used it every day for a week. For the last 4 years I have been clear showing it is a very effective human fungicide ( or maybe it was the cream )
Regards from a consistantly wet Devon.

"Gordon Walker" wrote:

> Has anyone any experience with the use of Tea Tree oil on orchid plants
> and if so what were the results?

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From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A Couple of Phals.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:35

Hi Peter,
Your flowers came all the way over the pond looking beautiful. What kind of scanner did you use?
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet, Bobby and Asta in Boynton Beach Florida.

I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still
I can do something; I will not refuse to do the something I can do.

-- Helen Keller (1880-1968) American Writer

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Peter's wifes Phalaenopsis.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:45

Oh yes Peter, oh yes !

Now these type of Phallys I do like. I am sure that we will be seeing more of them in the future. As far as I can see and know, they are in no way associated with those horrible peloric types.

The patterning on the sepals and the petals is becoming better and better. If the plant in the top photo had its three sepals turned just a little to the left it would be excellent.

Where did you get the plants from as I have not seen them in my New Forest [south west Hampshire region].

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Four items.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:00

Hi all,

First item..........Tricia, have you been at the bottle again? I thought it so strange that the item I posted some time ago has once again appeared!!!

Second item. Andy, I am waiting with baited breath to hear what you have to say about your 'two different coloured' Cattleya.

Third item. Last week I E-mailed the R.H.S. asking if there was a list showing the exhibitors who were going to be at the London Orchid Show in March. To my complete amazement the reply came back saying that the list would be available ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE SHOW. *()*(*&(*&^^&^£"££"^%%$*)((^%) I could not possibly write what I said. Then I had another thought. Maybe they interpreted my question as to what people or British Orchid Societies would be exhibiting. So I E-mailed them again..........as yet no answer.

I say that the letters 'R.H.S' stand for, 'Retired Horticultural Sloth's.

Fourth item. You may remember that about this time last year I told you that something was eating my flowers and that I called the beast the 'Midnight Raider'. Long ago I did once catch and photograph a very large caterpillar which I guess was the culprit. However, this year I have yet to find the beastie.

Today, I have just smeared some Vaseline around the spikes of two of my Phallys and have also smeared some around the pseudobulbs of a small Dendrobe that is in flower. The 'Midnight Raider' has attacked one Phally and the Dendrobe, so I will keep both eyes open for any events and I will keep you all posted.

This Vaseline 'band' is of course very easy to put on, costs very little and should do no harm whatsoever, and it is like the grease band that is put on fruit trees and the like.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Pholidota ?
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:15

I bought this orchid 4 or 5 yrs ago as a red leaved Coelogyne sp. but I think it is a Pholidota. I have not beenable to find a reference to a red leaved Pholidota with pink flowers 5mm (1/4in) across. Is there anyone out there that knows this orchid or can find a ref. to it on the internet.
Regards

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From: Brenda Beale BB
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phals
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:30

Hello Peter
Like you I much prefer species, but I think both those Phalaenopsis are very pretty, also a nice shape.
Brenda

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Question
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:55

I don't know about using tea tree oil but presume you want to use it as an insecticide like neem oil, which, in theory, stops the little beasties from getting their teeth into the leaves. I have used neem oil, some years ago, but found that it stunted the growth. I think it blocked the pores and prevented transpiration (does that make sense?).
If you are looking for a natural insecticide, try garlic water: one clove boiled for about 20 minutes in a litre of water and allowed to cool. Then use undiluted as a spray.

If I have got this all wrong and tea tree oil is used for something entirely different I would be very interested to know what you are planning to use it for.

Tina

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] orchids Vanda lilacina ...
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:05

I am just back from my Xmas cruise, and have just started going through the
rather large number of e-mails , and this one I am replying to is dated13th
December , so what I say may be old hat by now.

But I don't think that is Vanda lilacina, or even a Vanda at all . It looks
like an Aerides to me. Maybe quinquivulnera , but there are several very
similar. The flower spike habit is all wrong for the plant ment1gioned, and
certainly it looks nothing like the V lilacinas I used to import in small
quantities 1m, and sell, back a dozen or more years ago.
Geoff

P G Hieke wrote on 13 December 2006:

> I agree, here is a picture of the first time flowering of
> Vanda lilacina (Syn: V. laotica). It is one of the intermediate
> growing Vandas. It comes from Burma, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and
> China (Yunnan)I have it for about 2 years and it is still in bloom.
> Enjoy it.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes/Cycnoches/Mormodes/Catasetum
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:10

I find that two of my three plants have flowers still in good condition, and
I have taken a few snaps , will post one later , the first day back is
inevitably a bit hectic − and I have not even received the accumulated post
yet , which I expect will fill half a dustbin, but take hours to go through
to make sure I am not throwing away anything important !. Also some
dendrobes (snapped, as the flowers were still good ) by the way , watch this
space.
Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Emailing: Bowl full of Westland Orchid compost, Westland Orchid compost
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:15

Try Orchid Focus , Roger (Plants Plus) sells it now , and I believe , not
sure , it is also sold by some nurseries as 'own brand' . . I formulated it
, so I can tell you it's good , and I don't get a royalty on every bag sold,
so no axe to grind.

geoff

Roger Grier wrote on 14 December 2006

To all of our U.K. members, and possibly some European members,

About a year or so ago I noticed that yet another company who supplied
various items to Garden Centres had produced an 'Orchid Compost'.

Two days ago I decided it was time to have a look..........and so I
purchased a bag of it.

When I lifted it from the display area I thought for a moment that I had
broken my wrist and also obtained a double hernia. Talk about heavy!!!!!

Yesterday, when I eventually got round to opening it and having a look, I
was disgusted with what I saw. No different, maybe possibly worse than the
other two or three similar products that are on sale in the Garden Centres.

I would not even pot Cymbidiums in it.

I am pleased to say that when I do give a talk to people about orchid
culture that I completely condemn such rubbish.

Harsh words maybe..........but it's the truth.

Question is, have any other members had a look at this so called 'Orchid
Compost.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: C. skinneri
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:15

I have been told that people in cold climates do not
go out of their way to collect C. skinneri because the
flowers are too short lived and they take up a lot of
room in the greenhouse. Well here in south Florida we
just hang them in a tree and let nature water and
fertilize them, but with extra fertilizer they are
even more spectacular. They grow into large specimens
very quickly, but they still are expensive in our
area. I remember buying one in 1949 for $25 and the
plant filled a 8 inch pot (bought with money from my
paper route). In a few more years it filled two wood
baskets that added up to 8 square feet. My clones
bloom from February to April.
Now I have a collection of awarded skinneri. In 2005
I had an alba form get an AM/AOS. This morning I
uploaded a picture of the flower on my site: http://togofcoralgables.com/Cskinneri.aspx

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] STENOGLOTTIS longifolia
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:20

Andy , if you still need an answer, let me know.

Geoff

Andy Mckeown wrote on 15 December:

> I bought STENOGLOTTIS longifolia last May and it has done very well with
> lots of spikes. It is now dying back and I am not sure what needs to happen
> as I am unfamiliar with its growth rhythm,. Any advice gratefully received

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Where to advertise in the "Euro landia" for our Costa Rica Orchids
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:35

I expect you have been told about The Orchid Review , and The Orchid Society
of Great Britain journal , if not I'll fill you in.

Geoff

JIM MATEOSKY wrote on 18 December 2006:

> My question is this in the US The American Orchid Society Magazine is one
> really good place to advertize. Is there a magazine (s) or Website
> (s) with a similar following in Europe?

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Algae in hydroculture
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:00

Hi − I'm half-way through my accumulated e-mails, and after answering some
old ones − only to find that the answer had already been given in a later
e-mail which I got to, 15 minutes later , I have not answered this one about
the algae problem before.

But in case it has not yet been said, algae is objectionable because (1) it
is unsightly , (2) it may smell ( although I admit I had not noticed that)
and (3) it steals the nutrients.

But it can be stopped by either of two means . One − prevent light reaching
the water surface.
Two − add a little Physan to the water . 1:1000 seems to do the trick ,
although I doubt if I am quite as scientific as that suggests. I have had no
problem with algae since I started doing this. I think it was Andy's
suggestion ?

Geoff

> Hi Rudolf

> Would you like to tell us what the problem is with algae please?

> Tony

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Four items.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:00

On 07 Jan Roger Grier wrote:

> Hi all,

> First item..........Tricia, have you been at the bottle again? I thought
> it so strange that the item I posted some time ago has once again
> appeared!!!

Roger, are you sure you didn't send it twice? Maybe there was a glitch at
one of the ISPs.

--

Tricia

If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Peter's wifes Phalaenopsis.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:15

On 07 Jan Roger Grier wrote:

> Oh yes Peter, oh yes !

> Now these type of Phallys I do like. I am sure that we will be seeing
> more of them in the future. As far as I can see and know, they are in no
> way associated with those horrible peloric types.

> The patterning on the sepals and the petals is becoming better and
> better. If the plant in the top photo had its three sepals turned just a
> little to the left it would be excellent.

> Where did you get the plants from as I have not seen them in my New
> Forest [south west Hampshire region].

They are lovely. I am sure the one at the top is Doritaenopsis Red Cat
'Orchis' from Taiwan. This is the one I was keen on some months ago and was
lucky enough to get one through a friend who ordered some for delivery at
the BOC congress − I think Peter's plant came from the same source. Mine
hasn't flowered again, though.

The other one looks like a lot like Dtps. Newberry Parfait.

--

Tricia

Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Four items.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:30

I also got a copy of my e-mail subject disappointed the other day having
sent it and had replies about a couple of weeks ago.
Gordon.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Aerial roots.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:40

I have always wondered if it is an absolute "must" that a green colour in
part of a plant necessarily means an ability to photosynthesize , i.e. the
presence of chlorophyll.
After all , chlorophyll comes in (at least two) different varieties − red
and green. All of the other compounds present cannot be colourless , can
they ? Just on the law of averages !
So why is it assumed that the green tip of the root ( which by the way , can
be green inside the pot or outside the pot, in many genera , in my
experience ) must mean that the root carries chlorophyll and is "for"
photosynthesizing ?

Does the outside of a seed-pod photosynthesize ? They are usually green
before ripening !

I should like to see evidence on this question , and without it , beg to
differ. I just ain't convinced.

And BTW other roots grow upward to escape from airless ground and act as
oxygen intakes ( mangrove swamps for example ).

Since many plants can/do use leaf stomata as two-way passages to take in as
well as let out various fluids ,perhaps it is true to say that the prime and
most important function of a root is to anchor the plant . The secondary
function is to take in ( and sometimes − e.g. those plants in beech-woods
which poison the soil for competitors) − let out fluids .

Geoff

francis quesada pallares wrote on 29 December 2006:

> I have so far only read through this topic and not
> answered at all, but in this instance, I would like to
> bring in my tow pence worth... Whilst not an expert on
> orchids or any other matter, I would like to say that
> the so called "aerial roots" on phals. growing on
> clear plastic pots, have the same green coloured tip
> as those growing inside the media. I think the reason
> is because most orchid's roots have the ability to
> photosynthesize...

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Colour variation
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:50

That is quite an astonishing difference, There is of course a difference
from year to year in every plant , hybrids especially so , I have often been
told (in years gone by , and told by growers who had dozens or even more
certificates on their office walls saying such and such had been awarded AM
or even FCC , that a plant reaches that state of perfection perhaps once in
5 or 7 years, and in some years the flower is so much 'worse' as to be
nearly unrecognisable.
But the difference you show is in a different league, and could only mean
one thing to me , and I hope I'm not right , its that horrid word v*r*s.
Geoff

Andy Mckeown wrote on 03 January 2007

> Here are two pictures of the same plant, BLC Copper Queen showing marked
> difference between the colour in the last two flowerings − last July and
> presently. I can speculate that this may be due to the differencee between
> light levels in winter and summer but does anyone know the cause?

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: a few of the delights which I found on my first visit to the greenhouse today...
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:50

1 Bulbophyllum Elizabeth 'Buckleberry' AM/RHS − with 20 spikes .now oif I
coulkd get that to Vincent Square it would surely be worth an CCC/RGS.and it
would be worth an OBE to me too for the effort involved .

2 Dendrobium Christmas Chime. I was talking about my method of getting
flowers all the way up the cane, not keikis at the top , and explaining how
. Here is the proof of the pudding. ( Christmas Puidding in this case ,
{joke} )

3 Cyd Taiwan Gold 'Orchis' as per correspondence. mine is in Perlite,
topped with grit, hung up − as seen − and not watered , yet.

4 an finally another Dendrobium − fimbriatum − which I have also been
talking about ( if your memories go back as far as two or three weeks before
Xmas) showing hurrah! The first spike out , another dozen to come.

For all the rest , you will have to wait for the relaunch of my website -
but I did a couple of hours work on it every day at sea, so hope to do some
checking , cross t's, dot I's and launch it this month with a few hundred
orchid images and others too.

geoff

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Peter's wifes Phalaenopsis.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:40

The bottom one is Dtps. Minho Princess (spelling?), which came from Peter
White. The top one we(Tricia) both got from Charlie Kovac who ordered some
from an Taiwanese orchid nursery. Ours is in flower again from a node.

Peter Fowler

ps. see Charlies web site
www.cedar-lodge.co.uk

if you like Phals you will love his site which has won international awards.

"Tricia Garner" wrote on Sunday, January 07:

> They are lovely. I am sure the one at the top is Doritaenopsis Red Cat
> 'Orchis' from Taiwan. This is the one I was keen on some months ago and
> was
> lucky enough to get one through a friend who ordered some for delivery at
> the BOC congress − I think Peter's plant came from the same source. Mine
> hasn't flowered again, though.
>
> The other one looks like a lot like Dtps. Newberry Parfait.

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A Couple of Phals.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:00

I'm honestly not keen on Phallies., but if they start people growing orchids , so much the better.
Peter

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phals
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:05

Thank you Brenda

Peter

Brenda Beale BB wrote:

> Hello Peter Like you I much prefer species, but I think both those
> Phalaenopsis are very pretty, also a nice shape.

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