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December 1—7

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:00

In theory , there can't be two with the same name (?) but they take the
suffix into account − which explains why Shell.org.uk has nothing to do with
the petrol company even though they own Shell.com ( a hypothetical example,
although there are real cases just like that ) .
Or course I didn't know about the European one, or I'd have chose something
else . "They" did a search before taking my money , or so they said, but
although I have paid for it − for two years I think − maybe I'll choose
something else before I upload.

Thanks for the info, John

Geoff

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:35

Hi Geoff,
Sorry if I threw a bit of a spanner in't works but, as I said, better now
than later!
There is, of course, a silver lining to every cloud and since the company
"Orchids and More" has "Orchideen" as its web address, who knows who might
locate your site when searching for the company Orchids & More expecting the
address to contain those words!!

While on the topic; O & M do a beautiful CD ROM of pics of many species
orchids. I think their latest is a DVD and there are several thousand
searchable pics there. They also have a useful selection of books, mainly in
a language that polishes up your German! But some are historical classics. I
rthink it costs the equivalent of about £8.

Cheers
John

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:50

Geof your [Orchid Talk] emails are starting to show up
in my spam list. This happens even after I put it
into the inbox. Am I the only one that has this problem?

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:45

I'm getting them there also.
Gordon.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:50

I don't know why that should be − whilst I have been talking of changes to
my e-mail address etc, none are effective yet .

Geoff

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:40

John,
Your latest e-mail (as is Geoff's) is also appearing in my spam box instead
of my inbox.
Gordon.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fw: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:05

I had to pull my own message from the Spam box. Can anyone throw light as to
what is causing this? I have never come across this problem before.
Gordon.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else?
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:55

Thanks for the info Gordon;

can you tell me what spam filter you use or, alternatively, what the
filtering crieria are? I get little spam (about half a dozen in 24h. I use
Spybot regularly and AVG to filter out potential viruses. I have a word
filter (set to winkle out 'pharm' 'invest' etc etc but no specific spam
filter. I'd hat to think that you were picking up something unpleasant from
or via me!

If anyone else out there is similarly afflicted; please let me know.
Matybe we should all use the same agreed spam filters?

How do you fight the dreaded stuff Geoff?
Don't tell me you squirt Provado onto your mother board!
Cheers
John

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:45

Geof don't worry − Gordons message also went to the
spam box. The problem might be a connection with
[OrchidTalk]. In the last month four messages were
found in the spam box. I feel anal retentive looking
at the spam list, You never know when a real gem is in
that spam list.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam spam spam spam spam just like the song!
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:45

Recursive Spam eh? Now that's clever!
At least that's not my fault! But I wonder if my last email to you escaped
as legit and if this, with your 'Spam' included, beneath, will be identified
as Spam.
If my last was clear and this is Spam then I think I know a solution . . .
Cheers
John

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] We're doomed − even more spam confusion!
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:50

Gordon,
You think you're confused; I've just received an email from a friend in
Anglesey. I came through fine with an attached picture but it is also in my
Spam Box and in my deleted box − three copies of the same thing. Anyone got
a second class stamp?
John

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else?
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:55

Hi John,
My mail comes in via Yahoo and the filter is Yahoo's Spam Guard Plus.
I also use AVG to filter any viruses and must say it appears to work very
well. As a second backup I use the free editions of Zone Alarm and Avast. It
may just have been one of these computer quirks.
Gordon.

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Fw: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:55

try zone alarm i get 3or 4 spam a month ,perhaps i shouldnt have put my
address

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air re; Geoff's emails identified as Spam
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:45

Hi Geoff,
I don't know if Gordon has been in contact but I have had some difficulty in
getting to you direct and so I am coming through O-Talk (apologies to others
in the forum)..

I think we have found out something about your emails being interpreted as
Spam;-

First we know that your emails are being interpreted on Gordon's and other's
machines (incl. O-Talk's) as Spam (not on mine incidentally but then I
didn't think I had a spam filter)
If I answer an email of your's and leave the item to which I am answering
embedded in the response, then my mail is similarly identified as Spam
(really, it seems your bit is being re-identified)
If I answer but delete the 'history', ie., the mail items to which I am
responding, then the mail is normal.
It would seem that there is something in your email that is confusing the
Spam filter on Gordon's machine or, maybe, there has been some sort of
implant on your machine.
I checked mine with AVG (virus clear) and with Spybot (adware and malware
clear) and with Microsoft's own Maliciious Software Removal Tool (
http://tinyurl.ocom/5lyxe ) and that was negative too. Have you done the
same or similar?

My suspicion is that there is something odd, but not serious, about the
reaction of Spam Filters and your mail but I guess you, as we, would like to
know what is really going on.

Incidentally, for the record, I am receiving substantially less Spam than I
was a couple of weeks ago but I have been running Spybot more than was usual
before. Clearly, Avenue-A, Double Click or some other so-called adware is
up to mischief and is worth getting rid of regularly.

I wonder if all of us in the forum (Orchid-Talk) should adopt the procedure
of not simply using the 'reply' button but send a fresh email as a reply
(maybe with a c&p-ed extract from whatever we are replying to). This way,
even if one of us collects a Spam identification feature, we won't then be
spreading it about. What do fellow contributors think? Much more
inconvenient but possibly safer (?). Or is the peculiarity affecting just a
small number of us?
John

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else? The answer.....
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:55

It sounds to me as though the spam filter you use has been revamped, and is
now detecting spam where it didn't before. I expect that you can reset your
spam permissions "allow mail from List... " to solve the problem.
As I use a different system (E-Trust) which seems to work very well , it
has not happened to me.
Geoff

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] We're doomed − even more spam confusion!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 09:25

The wonders of electronics.!!!
Gordon.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else? The answer.....
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 09:40

Geoff,
It appears that the e-mails from others addressed to the "list" come into
the inbox ok.
Could it be that our filters picked up the word Spam when you sent the first
e-mail?
Gordon.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else? The answer.....
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:30

Hi Geoff,
What you say sounds all very logical except for one thing; why does my mail
not get identified as spam unless it contains a copy of yours? There must be
something different about the content of an email from you compared with an
email from (say) me. But then I don't understand the criteria used by spam
filters to identify spam. Does anyone? This, for example, will go into
Gordon's spam box whereas if I'd stripped off your message (like in this
chaser) it wouldn't (I guess).
John

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else? The answer.....
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:55

I looked at my (automatic − always running) spyware application, and found
it had lost a wheel somewhere...
After re-instal, ran, found two "serious" spyware things both associated
with orchid files − so cleaned up .
Interesting to see if the problem disappears ?
Let me know ?

On an analogous situation, I have had a lot of freezes etc today and
yesterday , and , moving further along the learning curve , managed to work
out why − which was a piece of e-bay spyware − now bubbling nicely in
conc.sulphuric acid, whilst a little wax e-bay is melting due to red-hot
needles inserted...

From gale-ridden South coast ( the rain was so heavy at 5.30 am that I got
up to look and saw a waterfall plunging clean off the roof along the whole
length -like a miniature Victoria Falls − far too much for gutters to cope
with − 75mm since midnight − All since 5 am ?
Maybe I can turn off the reverse osmosis and rely on rainwater for a few
months....

Geoff

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From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: EMails
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 12:15

I have had to stop using my 'lyc-orchids' etc address as it has been hi-jacked and used by unscrupulous groups on the internet sending various messages. I was inundated with undelivered mail messages and spam so rather than attemp to change servers I am trying to use Orange Webmail. This is an entirely different system to Outlook Express and it is difficult to teach an old dog new tricks.
So Tricia please be patient with this old dog espesially when I try to add attachments
Regards

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sorry to have been off the air − re; Orchids and More
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:25

I am getting a lot of orchid talk emails in my Spam box − and not just those
from Geoff

Ron

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else? The answer.....
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:05

John I think you stripped off Geoff's message because I have only received
yours in my inbox. Woops, decided to check my Spam box and lo and behold
one from Geoff one from you with Geoff's e-mail attached and two from me
with the same.
Gordon.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam issues; apologies but we're gettin there!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:10

Hi All,
I think those of you who's life is free from Spam deserve an apology from
those of us who must seem obsessed with it. However, I think we are getting
closer to the way it works and I, for one have learned a lot to the extent
that I now feel (moderately) sure I can avoid unintentionally passing it on.
Gordon seems to confirm that spam can be spread by answering an email with
the original message retained but not when it is stripped off. Moral, reply
with a fresh email; simply refer to the one being 'answered' and avoid the
'reply' button. Maybe we will have something more appetising than Spam for
Christmas!
Thanks for your patience !
John

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Spam
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:10

I think we have said enough about the Spam we are encountering, let's give it a few weeks and see what happens.
Gordon.

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From: MARK GRIFFITHS
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] That word
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:00

Please can I ask that we don't keep using that word in the title, now all my orchid posts are going into "that word" filter.

regards, Mark

Gordon Walker wrote:
I think we have said enough about the Spam we are encountering, let's give it a few weeks and see what happens.
Gordon.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Miniature Species
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:30

I am looking to increase my collection of miniature species growing in cool to intermediate conditions. Has anyone spares or "bits" for sale.
EU responses only please direct to my inbox to save clutter in the chat line.
Gordon.

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam-Gordon-Geoff-John-anyone else? The answer.....
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:50

Well this one was not labelled as Spam.

Ron

Geoffrey Hands wrote:

I looked at my (automatic − always running) spyware application, and found
it had lost a wheel somewhere...
After re-instal, ran, found two "serious" spyware things both associated
with orchid files − so cleaned up .
Interesting to see if the problem disappears ?
Let me know ?

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam issues; apologies but we're gettin there!
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:55

If the problem comes from me it will likely disappear next week, as I am off
on a trip for a month.
I may access the site , if the cruise ship has a hot spot , but from my
lap-top .If there is an infection on my registry − which seems unlikely in
view of recent events − it seems even more unlikely that it is on my lap-top
since they are not networked, and I have not hitherto used that machine for
e-mail . this will be the first time I have taken it abroad ( only bought it
recently).
Geoff

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ps but is retaining a few words like this enough to carry the virus ?
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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Plant wanted.
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:55

Hi all, especially our U.K. members,

I am looking to buy a plant of Laelia [Schomburgkia] superbiens.

Does anyone know who might have this plant for sale.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Minced pork − serve with chips...
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:40

Someone said that they didn't know how minced pork filters work . Neither do
I , but its difficult to believe that they look for messages saying " hey,
look, I'm minced pork." ???

Or as they say − huh ?

geoff

MARK GRIFFITHS wrote:

Please can I ask that we don't keep using that word in the title, now all my
orchid posts are going into "that word" filter.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam issues; apologies but we're gettin there!
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:05

This came through properly, but a reply of a message
that you started was marked spam today. Now let's see
if this ends up in the spam file.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Spam, corned beef, whatever !!!
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:00

Hi all,

I must say that I was a little surprised to see all of the E-mail from some members who were being bombarded with unwanted 'spam'.

So why did I not get any ???

My server is Virgin, and my Anti-virus protection programme is 'F-Secure'.

END of comments from me on spam.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wad of moss.
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:10

Hi all,

On several occasions over the past year or two I have had to de-pot orchids for friends. Most that I did were of the Oncidium/Odontoglossum type hybrids. I guess we can throw a few Miltonias in there for good measure. I feel sure that you will all know what I am on about.

In the centre of the 'compost' and sitting under the base of the bulbs is a compact lump of moss about the size of a cotton reel.

This was most probably used to grow the seedling in its early stage. Then of course it was potted on keeping the wad of moss..........and so on.

Then in due course the wad of moss starts to break down and holds too much moisture.

The roots do not like it.

That is why some newcomers loose their orchids.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Help wanted − definitely not about spam.......
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:40

----- Original Message -----
>
> I am also enclosing some pictures of a few of my latest seedlings.
>
> Cheers
> Max

Nice pics Max. I particularly like the D aphrodite and the Laelia seedling.
What is the parentage of the Laelia?

Andy

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spam issues; apologies but we're gettin there!
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:40

No problem; but then the only stuff the goes into my miced-pork folder is
legitimate mail anyway!
John

----- Original Message -----

From: "jns tropic"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:07 PM

> This came through properly, but a reply of a message
> that you started was marked spam today. Now let's see
> if this ends up in the spam file.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Help wanted − definitely not about spam.......
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:40

Hi Max, Certainly no you-know-what but neither are there any pictures
attached.
Cheers
John

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Help wanted − definitely not about spam.......
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 04:55

Hello Andy
Thanks for your kind words. The Aphrodite is a very nice flower and I am
trying to use it in hybridizing.
The Laelia cross was a remake of a very old one from about 1900 called
Laelia nemesis. It is a crossing of Laelia anceps alba and Schomburgkia
superbiens. This is the plant that Rocky was looking for and if he lived out
here I could give him one. Sorry but can't send to England.
Cheers
Max.

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium scabrilingue
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:35

Does anyone know of a source of this plant in the EU? Or does anyone grow it?

Andy

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cycnodes
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:50

This is Cycnodes Wine Delight Jem. Opening nicely at present and smelling strongly of bitter cherries. I got it from Water Orchids − one of the Taiwanese dealers at Dijon 2 years ago. With last years flowering most of the flowers went mouldy and never opened so I am very pleased with this showing. As you can see it still has all it's leaves and they are looking very good. In fact it is a very elegant foliage plant while growing. I know I am supposed to reduce watering and that the leaves will drop but I don't have the will to do so when there are so many buds to open − surely they need water to open?

What do others who grow this do?

Andy

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium scabrilingue
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:00

Dick Warren. in the UK may have seedlings.
Peter Fowler, Alton, UK.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:45

Don't know about growers of this plant Andy, but there's one enthusiast here, wishing he was its grower and green with envy of the plant and the quality of the photographs! I suppose your former problems aren't because of a lack of sufficient air movement? Anyway; congrats on the photoed specimen.
Cheers
John

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From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:50

Andy,

That is a lovely plant.

I have some deciduous dendrobiums and I'm having difficulty determining when
to stop watering them as well. I worry that the tiny new growths will die if
I don't water them.

esther

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:30

Hi Andy . I bought several Cyc and similar at BOC this year. All in various
stages of new flower spikes starting when purchased and, most if not all
aborted one way or another . But since then, allhave proceeded to enlarge.
extend/develop further new spikes − some of which have buds almost ready to
open. If any do , before I am off for our Xmas cruise, then I'll take some
pictures. Maybe some won't be open until '/m back in January , or may still
be open , then I'll do the same − whatever.

But the point is that all have been potted in Perlite, top-dressed with grit
-( meaning to grow them in hydroculture next year) plunged once to settle
the Perlite around the roots − then hung up with the Vandas , Angraecums,
Bulbos etc, and sprayed maybe once or twice a week when all of those hanging
plants are sprayed, but NOT taken down and watered by immersion , as most of
the other hanging plants are every week. There is absolutely no bulb
shrivelling at all.

My few catasetums, grown for a year or more , have had the same treatment,
and all look very good.

Take your courage in both hands − you know they really need it !

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium scabrilingue
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:35

I was recently after some Schoenorchis − Malcolm ( forgotten his name again
- I'm getting to be senior all the time instead of only 50% of − what is it
that I was talking about ?) at Bristol , when contacted offered to obtain
three or four named species , I chose two , and hopefully they will be here
tomorrow. Maybe he can find other unusuals when asked.

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:35

Cycnodes − that's what Cycd means of course.

Is this a new name for Cycnoches , or are there two genera, or what ?

Of course I could look it up myself , but I have just received a consignment
of trees − bare root − and have some serious gardening to do. Will be
on-line again later, or tomorrow.

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:45

I put my dendrobium,s outside about 15th September , and watched the weather
forecasts. Night temperatures went down to 5 defg. C once or twice, before
the first frost was forecast for my area − about Nov 6th. Then I took them
in. They were watered by rain at times when outside.
My nobile hybrids have lots of lovely buds − little sprays of 2-3 flowers,
well developing , all up and down the stems , and some on older stems which
had flowered before, but at different points, usually below the old flower
stems. They have been back in hydroculture for a week now − no risk of
keikis once they get this far.

I'm interested to acquire further nobile hybrids − either old varieties (
Montrose etc) or Yamamotos − so any offers , even of keikis will be
welcomed. UK dealers have stopped offering them − it;s easy to see why -
just visit the Yamamoto website and you will understand. They are not
interested in supplying anything less than enormous quantities of one and
the same variety , which no trader − except possibly the Dutch plant
factories could sensibly buy , and they want to produce their own plants
thank you. One day Mr Yamamoto will get hungry and wake up .... I hope !

Geoff

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fertiliser
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:25

How strange, a fertiliser for roses is 3 . 1 . 5 and a blossom booster from
PETERS
is 10 . 50 . 10 and the PETERS fertiliser is not specifically for orchids. It
can be used
for all types of plants. To make it more complicated, a nursery in Taiwan is
using for
their orchids NITROPHOSKA which is something like 2 . 3 . 2. So, how should a
novice like me, know what and how much to use for fertilising orchids. Does
anyone
really know? I doubt it very much.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: jean
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:40

Hullo everyone,

I'm so sorry I have not been around for many months. We have just experienced the busiest year ever as our grandchildren are growing up and all like to visit now one by one. Illness too has reared its ugly head a few times and a much needed holiday had to be cancelled. I've just popped in really to wish everyone a very Happy Christmas and may your orchids bloom during 2007 better than they have ever done. My usual yearly orchid calendar is available for anyone who wants to download it and this year there is also a rose one if anyone would like that. They are useful to have near the computer I find. Best wishes and a Happy Christmas to you all. Jean The calendar urls are:

http://www.geocities.com/aeranthes/orchidcalendarindex.htm http://www.geocities.com/aeranthes/rosecalendarindex.htm

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cycnodes Wine delight Jem.
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:05

Hi Andy,

Sure is a 'Delight' and I am sure that many of us would just love to own one like yours.

I was very pleased to read your comments about the previous years happenings..........same as mine looks like doing this year, not a 'Wine Delight', but another of the similar type, Cycnoches Carrii. They all seem to hate the damp, so I have moved mine to a drier area.

As to whether your buds need water to open..........I would just say that the bulbs look very good and plump with enough 'oomph' to supply the buds with what they require. I would be very careful about water and a wet compost.

I do believe that all of these type of orchids need very careful watching in our damp winter months. Especially the Catasetums.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:05

I have Cycd. Wine Delight 'Jen' FCC/AOS and while I
didn't grow it as well, I did get a good picture. Its
on my site:
http://togofcoralgables.com/FlowersofNov06.aspx

It's getting cold around here and the nights are going
to the 60's.

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertiliser
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:45

I guess the subject of fertilising plants is not as simple as finding
the right mix of NPK. Other important factors are eg. how many nutrients
are released from the compost you use and which fungi grow in it. Most
plants, orchids not least, benefit from symbiosis with certain fungi,
and I find it likely that this may be one of the crucial factors in
whether an orchids thrives or not; it is certainly the case for many
species of trees.

This may also explain why some use eg. Tomorite and find it very good
where others have to shun anything that contains urea − fungi are
masters of chemistry and will convert urea to nitrate. But of course, if
you use a compost that doesn't support fungi (like rocks) or if you
spray regularly with fungicide, you won't benefit from this.

/jan

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bringing orchid's flasks from Thailand.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:55

Hello,

Just a question regarding the legality of bringing
flasks from Thailand.

I have a couple of friends who are travelling to
Thailand in January. They will be doing some volunteer
project for 5 weeks, before returning to the UK.

I have found a very cheap orchid nursery that sells
flasks of many different types of orchid species. I
was wondering what sort of paperwork would I need to
have in advanced to make sure that my friends could
bring a few of these into the UK witouht them being
confiscated at customes. I was wanting to bring in at
least 5 flasks, but I'm not sure if I would need to
apply for either phyto, or (quite unlikely, as they
are flasks) a CITES permit.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance,

Francis.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fertiliser
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:40

The difference of magnitude is unimportant − 1:5:1 is exactly the same as
10:50:10 or 1000:5000:1000 for that matter − you just need les and less of
it as the numbers get bigger.

As to the difference in ratios, i.e. whether more nitrogen than Phosphate or
vice versa etc − part of it depends not on the plant , or on whether the
fertiliser is "grow" or "bloom" ; also , whether it is being grown in the
local soil , or a mixed compost made up of ??? and also how long the plant
is expected to remain in that compost , etc.etc. Some composts contribute
nutrients and they do not need to be provided by the added fertiliser.
Others take from the fertiliser , and extra nutrient ingredient ( esp.N) may
be may be needed.

Then again , is the pH ideal ? If not a different mix may be better.

The bare figures cannot be considered in isolation , in other words. And
the other factors which need to be taken into the equation are light value,
daylight length , temperature, diurnal difference , age of the plants and
their stage of growth − apart from whether mature and required to flower or
not, water supply etc...
And then , are you aiming for soft growth ( as in salads) woody growth ( as
in tree nurseries , fruit production as in orchards, etc. etc...

In short , correct fertilisation is part of the whole fascinating and
complex question of culture − an aspect of orchid growing which has been
receiving my best attention for some 45 years. I like to think I know a bit
about it, but as to knowing what amount to use for orchids − see the
above.....

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: some pics relating to recent mail...
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:05

1 Dendrobium Christmas Cheer − showing buds developing from 12 nodes over
the whole length of the cane.
2 One of the Cycnoches I bought at BOC in September showing two rather nice
spikes now developing well − I do hope that they are still in good flower in
mid-January when I can take a picture, but have no idea how long they will
last. Fingers crossed.
3 the species − Cyc. chlorochilon ? well advanced buds, but not many . It
is few flowered , this species ?
4- The first ( this time − it has not flowered for almost 4 months now − it
flowers very frequently) − completely opened flower spike on my big
Bulbophyllum Elizabeth Anne − perhaps the best quality flowers I have ever
produced − fully 10 inches long.
5. A Vanda hybrid with V.stangeana as one parent − had a dozen or moer buds,
but the spike was up against the glass of the roof, and the end buds aborted
- but rather nice I think.

Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: 'Peter's' fertiliser.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:20

Mornin' Peter,

From a very wet and windy U.K.

Peter, you spoke exactly the correct words. At an orchid society meeting one time, we had a talk from a 'Fertiliser guy' who came from a well know Hampshire establishment.

At the end of his talk which was given so as not to confuse people, he stated that if anyone did not know for sure when to start using a higher ratio of nitrogen, and when to switch to a higher ratio of phosphate, and then potash..........then use a balanced fertiliser, as this would take all of the guess work out of it, and it works very well.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bringing orchid's flasks from Thailand.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:50

Francis,
I have in front of me, a leaflet. produced by the Thailand (? Written in
Thai characters) Department of Agriculture (written in English). The title
of the leaflet is; "Exemptions and Conditions for Exporting Orchid Hybrids
without CITES Permits"
If you have a fast connection I can copy it at a readable resolution and
send it direct to you. In the meantime I quote relevant bits;-

"(Title) General exemptions for orchids
* Seeds and pollen (including pollinia)
* Seedling or tissue cultures obtain in vitro (in vitro is italicised), in
solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers.
* Cut flowers of artificially propogated plants (App II and App I − hybrid
and
* Fruits and parts and derivatives thereof of artificially propagated
plants of the genus Vanilla

Further information, please contact (then there are the logos of The
Department of Agriculture and CITES followed by the following text address)
International Trade of Plants under Convention Subdivision
Plant Varieties Protection Division,
Department of Agriculture,
Paholyhothin Road,
Chatuchak,
Bangkok 10900
Thailand

Tel or Fax +66 2940 5687 " (end of quotation)

Maybe you could get more info direct from them, or a copy of the leaflet,
or, as I said above, I will happily send a readable jpg picture of the
leaflet but it would be useful to know if you have a suitable email
connection (broadband in the UK) in order to avoid too large an attachment.

Hope this is of some use for getting plants out of Thailand, although it
doesn't say anything about getting them into their destination country!!!
Also, it seems to refer to species rather than hybrids.
(I should say that I have no personal experience of buying plants direct
from Thailand but I know someone who regularly imports them, to the UK. He
is Peter Williams, a dealer-grower who trades as MAE TANG Orchids. I can let
you have his address too but it would seem rather mean to ask him for info
and advice and then trade elsewhere!)
Cheers
John Stanley

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From: mojca klancic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bringing orchid's flasks from Thailand.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:50

Francis,

as I understand the mean of CITES and fitocertificates, flasks are all exempt. Your friend can bring with him as much as you like. Could you tell us the name of the nursery?.

Best wishes,

Mojca from Slovenia

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cycnodes Wine Delight
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:35

The plant needs a dry spell to rest and to start new bulbs for the next season.
You have to reduce watering now and to withhold water as soon as the last
buds have opened. The plant should be resting when the leaves start fading
and watering should only commence when the first sign of new growth is
visible.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:00

Night temperatures in the 60's! Jordan, am I sorry for you!
You seem to be very successful with sobralias. How do you grow them?

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fwd: jean
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:00

Good to hear from you, Jean, but the calendars came up without flowers.
Wishing you better health and holidays in 2007!

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnodes
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:00

Geoff, weren't the dendrobiums outside during the summer like my Cymbidiums?

Ron

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