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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The English language !!!
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:50

Good morning Jean-Michel in far away New Caledonia,

Thank you for correcting my spelling for the web site. That's the problem with the slight difference between the English and American !!!!!

A beautiful sunny morning here in southern England. Not a cloud in the sky, hardly any wind, but the temperature is no doubt much lower than in New Caledonia.

Here outside it is about 7 degrees Celsius in the shade.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Two in bloom.
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:15

Roger, Your link produced "page not available" as did Google when keyed in. Your flowers look attractive, how long do you expect them stay that way? I have, if they are still there 2 plants and was disjointed with the flower life, 3-4 weeks if I recall. One of the reasons why I predominately grow Phals is because of the long life of the flower.
Ronbow.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Two in bloom.
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:35

The site is actually http://www.colorful-orchids.com − I suspect Roger was
ambushed by his spell-checker :-) The Lc. Sierra Skies 'Leone' is indeed
superb. 3-4 weeks life is about right for most Cattleya flowers. A bit
short, but some are delightfully scented and can flower twice a year.

Regards,

--

Tricia

Who the hell is General Failure? And why is he reading my harddisk?

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Cochleanthes amaazonica
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:30

Sorry to take so long to reply but the usual retirement problem − not enough
time in the day.
Thank you for your responses. Tricia, I bought mine from Orchid Answers at
the last but one Devon Orchid Week End. I think I am growing mine too warm
and humid. Out of the warm (15C) Min into the intermediate (12 1/2C) House
and in front of the fan.
Regards from sunny but cold Devon.
P.S. I think the Cochleanthes amazonica in this issue of the OSGB Journal
looks more like C. discolor.

Tricia Garner wrote:

> ...I got my discolor from Peter White last year and the amazonica was
> bought at a Newbury Show a few years ago, but I can't recall the vendor.
> I am growing (?!) them in a bark, sphagnum and foam mix in clear pots.
> When there is no condensation visible I stand the pot in a saucer of
> rainwater for a day or so, then drain it. They seem to like it so far
> but that could change overnight...

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: orchid answers
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:15

sad to say Orchid Answers has closed, whats left the people who have taken
over are selling off at £5-10 each breaks your heart when you see it £45
cymbs at £10

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Name if possible.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:25

Hi all,

My friend has this very nice Cattleya [BC?] which she bought for £10 just over a year ago. By looking at the plastic pot and the compost I would say that it came from Holland.

Can anyone please suggest a name for it.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name if possible.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:35

BLC Ports of Paradise ?

geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orc hid Answers.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:35

Bhotplant,

Do tell us more if you have the information please.

I may be in the area early next week.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name if possible.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:20

Your Bc. looks looks mine. It is on my site:
http://togofcoralgables.com/FlowersofOct06.aspx

I call it Blc. Port of Paradise 'Green Ching Hau' and
it rarely produces deformed flowers.
The older clone 'Emerald Isle' FCC/AOS is prone to
deformities. For this clone I had to google and I
found:
http://www.orchids.it/2006/10/14/blc-port-of-paradise-emerald-isle-fcc-aos/

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name if possible.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:15

Hello Rocky,

At the risk of repeating myself, and becoming even more of a spoilsport, please, please, don't write a 'guesstimate' label for this green cattleya-type hybrid. Accept it for what it is − a pretty, green flowering, orchidaceous pot-plant.

An incorrectly labelled orchid, if bred from, has the potential to mess up decades of accurate record keeping by the International Orchid Registrar and his predecessors.
A slide of it could even find its way into the BOC slide library (of which I am the librarian) and provide totally inaccurate research information for borrowers.

It would be nice if we could change the mind-set of the continental growers who know perfectly well what they are selling but refuse, probably because they are worried that the cross will then be copied by a competitor, to sell labelled plants. If enough of us complained and refused to buy them it might help. I never buy unlabelled plants but accept the fact that many people initially come to orchid growing by doing just that. These unlabelled hybrids cannot, of course, be put on a competitive show bench − another incentive for buying from an orchid nursery.

Regards, Tina

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From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Name if possible.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:30

Hi Rocky -
Looks a lot like Blc Ports of Paradise 'Emerald Isle'
- a nice clear green.
Regards − Nancy (who seldom can guess about anything)

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"He used statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts;
for support rather than illumination."
------------Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: PLant name.
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:25

Hi all,

BLC. Ports of Paradise it is then, and thank you all very much.

I did remember that I recognised it, but do you think the name would come..........getting older?

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: How slolw is your ISP I wonder ? Or is it Tricia's ?
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:20

I find it interesting that I read Tina's message about names this morning ,
and replied at 08.34 am. At 9.15 I received a reply from Tina − via list of
course − but my 08.34 message has not yet appeared in my in-box after being
relayed by Tricia ( i.e. sent out by List ) . But Tina's has. So why does a
message sent to List at 8.34 and relayed to Tina not get to me ? But
Tina's message sent 45 minutes later does get to me ?

I'll wait ( I'm composing this message at 09.35 ) for a while to see if and
when my own message gets back to me.

10.25 − still not here − but I have just read a message in another forum ,
and posted a reply , and when I came to read this draft , up popped that
reply , relayed from the server.

Is it my ISP/server or whatever the word is, who/which does not relay all
my messages ?
Or is there ( dare I suggest this Tricia ? ) a glitch in your relay system ?
Some of the more obvious possible explanations are ruled out by the above -
e.g. if messages only get relayed after Tricia has read them, how is it that
she read Tina's reply but my message which was being replied to ? etc
etc...

Geoff

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Answers.
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:55

not much more to tell they had signs out on the A27 at chichester
for orchid sale for last sat whether its finished or not i wont know as
im off to OSGB tomorrow,if your around the area see if they are open.
they are using the grn hses for house clearence storage

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From: Barbara Larimer
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] How slolw is your ISP I wonder ? Or is it Tricia's ?
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:35

All good questions, Geoff. I have wondered similarly. (Written and sent at
7:40 EST US or GMT-5)

I guess I have come to assume that Tina buffers the messages and sends along
only those that she deems relevant to the list. Which is her perogative as
the moderator.

Barbara

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: ABOUT THAT MESSAGE i DIDN'T GET.
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:30

3.30PM . STILL NOT HERE.

Maybe I should complain to my Broadband supplier/ISP ?

Geoff

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Messages received or not received
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:00

Geoff, I have read and re-read your message:

> I find it interesting that I read Tina's message about names this morning
> , and replied at 08.34 am. At 9.15 I received a reply from Tina [Snip
> rest of quoted message]

and I still haven't the foggiest idea what it's all about... There has only
been one message from Tina to the list in the last two or three days, which
I think must be the first one to which you refer. Nor have I received your
reply, which you say again in your second message timed at 15.32 that you
have yet to see in your inbox.

The only explanation I can think of is that you inadvertently sent a
personal reply to Tina, who simply replied to you − which would explain why
no one else has seen those messages. Can you check the address to which you
sent your 8.34 message?

Regards,

--

Tricia

The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] How slolw is your ISP I wonder ? Or is it Tricia's ?
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:10

On 03 Nov, in article
,
Barbara Larimer wrote:
> All good questions, Geoff. I have wondered similarly. (Written and sent
> at 7:40 EST US or GMT-5)

> I guess I have come to assume that Tina buffers the messages and sends
> along only those that she deems relevant to the list. Which is her
> perogative as the moderator.

> Barbara

I don't claim to moderate the list although I do cast a swift eye over the
incoming messages to (hopefully) weed out any spam before they go out.
There is always the possibility that some spam may get past the mark one
eyeball, especially if I'm in a hurry :-) All legitimate mail is sent out,
so if you miss some it could be worth contacting your ISP's support
department.

Regards,

--

Tricia

Be nice to your kids.... They will pick out your nursing home.

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: BLC. P of P
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:50

Mine flowered in the summer but it was so deformed I did not even photograph it. I thought there was a problem and isolated it but if that is normal − the compost has it.
Regards from sunny but cold Devon.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Messages received or not received
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:25

Thank you for the suggestion Tricia, and you have put your finger on the
problem . However , I think the issue is of more general interest than
to
warrant being the subject of a private exchange , and whilst I will not
forward Tina's message to me without her permission , here are the
other
relevant parts of the thread :-

Hi all,
My friend has this very nice Cattleya [BC?] which she bought for UKP10
just over a year ago. By looking at the plastic pot and the compost I
would say that it came from Holland.
Can anyone please suggest a name for it.
Regards, Rocky.

Then several of us suggested Ports of Paradise.. and Tina sent the
following
message:-

Hello Rocky,
At the risk of repeating myself, and becoming even more of a
spoilsport, please, please, don't write a 'guesstimate' label for this
green cattleya-type hybrid. Accept it for what it is − a pretty, green
flowering, orchidaceous pot-plant.
An incorrectly labelled orchid, if bred from, has the potential to
mess up decades of accurate record keeping by the International
Orchid Registrar and his predecessors.
A slide of it could even find its way into the BOC slide library (of
which I am the librarian) and provide totally inaccurate research
information for borrowers.
It would be nice if we could change the mind-set of the continental
growers who know perfectly well what they are selling but refuse,
probably because they are worried that the cross will then be copied
by a competitor, to sell labelled plants. If enough of us complained
and refused to buy them it might help. I never buy unlabelled plants
but accept the fact that many people initially come to orchid growing
by
doing just that. These unlabelled hybrids cannot, of course, be put on
a
competitive show bench − another incentive for buying from an orchid
nursery.
Regards, Tina

Then , clicking on "reply" , I sent the following message − thinking it
was
going to List , but it went direct to Tina − don't know why . But the
problem started with my nachine. Anyway , here's my message which I
wanted
others to see in reply to Tina's which all have seen...

Tina , we don't all want to breed from our orchids .
What is the chance that this particular orchid will ever be a parent
? 1% ? 0.1% ? Nil ?
If everyone agrees it is Ports of Paradise, where is the guessing ?
And to put another point of view , if one buys a plant from a
dealer with the label, printed, saying 93Ports of Paradise94 ,
what
are the chances that it is correctly named ?
Any better ?
If you think all dealers sell 100% correctly named plants, then you
are a bigger optimist than I am .
There is a deep philosophy here . Even wild plants , true species ,
growing in the jungle , are not named and guaranteed . The name is put
on by fallible man. This is why some hybrids give surprising results !
If and when 25th century orchid-growing man ( do you think there
will be any ? , I'm beginning to be very doubtful that here will be
any
men at all ) brings out his pocket DNA test kit, touches the probe
to the leaf , compares the genome with the standards in the data bank
of his ear-piece computer and gets a read-out , he will be able to say
93 Looks like Ports of Paradise , but is actually an unregistered
mongrel
Encyclia , oops , I've forgotten that Kew has just abolished
Encyclias,
nowadays its called a Kewearensis , as all orchids are, since the
artificial divisions into genera and species don't make any sense in
the
modern world 9385 ( joke ? )
Geoff

End of message

Geoff

(all the rest removed, to shorten this )

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Messages received or not received
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 22:20

Geoff, thanks for confirming what happened to your message and for sending
it to the list. I think Tina has a valid point of view but yours is equally
valid and more pragmatic.

As an illustration, I well remember Wilma Rittershausen of Burnham
Nurseries telling me years ago when I was on a visit that they had just had
a family there with several young children who had occupied themselves
swapping labels on plants. The nursery staff had had to spend some
considerable time rectifying matters, but it's easy to imagine that not all
nurseries would be so meticulous.

--

Tricia

The shin bone is a device for finding furniture in a dark room.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Coconut husk pieces
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 09:20

I have just received my coconut husk pieces from Ray Creek Orchids. Look great for mounting small plants.
Gordon.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: a basket of cattleyas
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:45

On the left , the white one, is C Kenneth Sherouse "Blumen Insel" ; centre
is BLC Chun Yeah "Goodlife" and on the right is EpiC Lim Sherbet "Jade
Princess"

All three flowering for the first time for me, having been bought within the
past year or so at various shows.

All have that wonderful cattleya perfume ( I can't think of a nicer one in
the orchids) although rather faint with all of them. I have the impression
that it is the plain pink catts which are strongest on perfume,. But it's
not a thing I have made notes about, and maybe I'm mistaken.

Just thought it might brighten up your winter day − it cheers me up, every
time I pass them in my hall..

Geoff

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From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Eria Bornensis
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:25

I found this plant flowering when I took it outside to water it today. To b egin with I thought it was a batch of insect eggs and nearly knocked the flower off the stem. Have any of our members flowered this plant and if so how on earth do you pollinate it?
Gordon.

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From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: BLC Ports of Paradise
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:40

Hello -
I think several people mentioned deformed flowers in
this plant as a fairly common occurrence. Can you
provide more information on this? I have one in bud,
second flowering. The first flower was not at all
long-lasting (a couple of days), but I think was
normal.
I had not heard this about this particular plant. If
true, very disappointing!
Regards − Nancy

~~~~~~~~~~~
"He used statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts;
for support rather than illumination."
------------Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

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From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Now I'm really confused!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:45

Just come back from a weekend away − I thought I had sent my original message to everybody − it was addresssed to list. Geoff has already circulated it and commented on my reply to him, which I also thought was going to everybody, so here is a copy:

Geoff,

Of course I accept the fact that most people will not want to breed from
their plants − but then you give a bit away, or put it on a raffle table, or
in the club auction − who knows who it will end up with? Then a grower
somewhere down the line decides to experiment and gets a pod on it − bingo!

If I suspect that a plant is incorrectly labelled, which has happened to me
very infrequently, I would destroy the label and the plant would become a
'mongrel'.

To me, although my special interest is aesthetics, orchid growing is a
science as well as an art, so I regret that I must let my original remarks
stand.

Regards, Tina

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: DSC00967.JPG
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:05

This is Picture DSC 00967 is supposed to be Phal Leopard Prince, and was received from a European supplier and clearly it is not. When queried I received the attached reply, minus the senders name which I have deleted.

The 2nd reply is from a London phal grower, breeder hybridiser ect, and who has forgotten more than I will ever know about phals, and Leopard Prince is one that he very often uses for one of the parents for his crosses. He has the same name a me, but there the similarity ends.

I raise this matter with regard to the recent posts re plant names, and what is written on the label. I am of the opinion that many of the orchid suppliers will not hesitate to put any name on the label of cheap young plants from Taiwan after they have grown them on a bit.They are charlatans who, as a matter course, will pull such a stunt, when supplying mail order plants that are not in flower, and even when in flower they work on the basis that you will not return the plant because of the hassle involved. This is not the only time this has happened to me.
For those not familiar with Phal Leopard prince I include a link.

It is said that a leopard cannot change its spots. It can it would seem, when it's a Orchid!

Dear Sir,

It is a Leopard Prince. They have at least 10 or even more different clones of
Dtps. leopard Prince in Taiwan, same have clonal names some not. Most of the
Leopard Prince are spotted, some are striped, some striped and spotted,some are pink.
I bought plants from Taiwan.
Sorry, if you don't like the colour. I'm quite disappointed what comes from Taiwan , they have
better clones, but they hold them back. They want to sell mass products now.

Ron

It is possible that it may be a Taiwan commercial pot plant clone of Leopard
Prince but I have not seen one like that or similar. I saw many in flower at
my Canadian supplier as he bought many of this cross in flask, grew them in
Taiwan and flowered them in Canada.
The lip and flower form indicates it is some other cross like a pink crossed
with a stripe or two pink with some stripes crossed together.

Regards
Ron

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Eria Bornensis
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:35

Several Erias that I have flowered have had quite small flowers , I have
E.acerba out now , flowers maybe 5mm across. I looked at it , and decided
that I would wait for a better flowering before photographing , the present
flowers on the first growth made since the plant was imported in the summer,
,bare root, and the bulb is only half the size of the previous one.

How do you pollinate it ? A good question − but maybe I should ask , why do
you want to pollinate it ?
If you really do , the answer is the usual way , but work with a magnifying
glass mounted on a stand, so that you have both hands free and can see what
you are doing with your cocktail stick

Geoff.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Eria Bornensis
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:15

Thanks for your comments Geoff. My question about pollinating was more of a
general one as the size of the flower is so small that
it would not be possible to get to the pollen with a cocktail stick. I
presume that in nature a miniscule insect must be the pollinator or does it
self pollinate?
Gordon.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: What's on the label !!!
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:45

Hi Ronbow,

Yes, I see what you mean, especially after having looked at several photos of 'Leopard Prince', some of which were not very good at all.

I for one hate the Phalaenopsis with the ugly blotches that are never symmetrical and like the ones that have almost three lips..........they should have been cremated. But then there is the growers profit to think of.

I did bring up your photo in Corel Photo Paint and made it lighter, and I can at least say this..........that is a very nice Phalaenopsis. Enjoy it Ron.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Eria Bornensis
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:30

I have no idea about this . Maybe some minute fly does the job. I think
very little is known about pollinators , since no-one wants to sit and watch
a flower day and night for several weeks....

But the folk who could tell you how to pollinate such a small flower if you
actually did want to do it , I think, would be Equatorial Plants − they
often list ( presumably still do, I haven't looked for a long time, a lot of
very small flowered orchids , in flask and ex-flask, so must have worked out
some techniques.

Geoff

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Eria densa
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:25

This is one of the not so small Erias. It is in flower right now with
2 inflorescenses. I like the red dot in the middle of the flower.
Regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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