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15—21 October

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Doof reading !!!
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:00

Mornin' Dennis,

I have just been talking to my German friend about this that and the other and one question that he asked me was this:

What is the meaning of the word DOOF ?

To be honest Dennis the past couple of weeks have been quite hectic, and I just thought that it was an incorrect spelling, but can you please explain the meaning etc of the word DOOF.

Always keen to have new information.

Kind regards, Rocky.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cites versus the Ghost Orchid.
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:05

Hi Barbara,

Rocky here, and of course I read your article with the greatest of interest, AND, I did know what you were saying..........it's a pity that the top dogs in CITES can't see it, or is it a fact that they do not want to see it ?????

Barbara, if you and I each asked the so called 'Top Dogs' in CITES. or the so called 'Top Dogs' in the orchid world that may or may not advise CITES, if they understood what we are saying, I wonder what answers we would get.

How many seeds was it that someone calculated were in a good fat pod from a Stanhopea..........two and a half MILLION. Nothing more to say, except once again..........CITES, eat your heart out.

Rocky. [ Still chipping away ] Sorry about the pun.


From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Doof reading !!!
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:50

For your German friend!
(maybe he'd offer a translation?)
and for you:
Take your pick!
'nough said


From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Doof reading !!!
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:25

Roger, With due respect I think it was you that started the ''Doof'' reading statement on the 5th Oct. inst. I have no idea what you meant. But there again I am turned 70 and my mind may be a little addled.
Regards from Devon on a fantasticly sunny Mid-October day.


From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Weston
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:30

Any comments on the BOC at Weston? I thought it was the best BOC Congress I had attended. It was light and all plants and stands could be easily seen (not like Llandudno).Congratulations to those who worked so hard to give us so much pleasure.


From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: fungicides
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:20

I have had a ncie time today in the orchid house cleaning up the plants for the show in a couple of weeks time. As always at this time of year there was a bit of sooty mould to wipe off and the dreaded petal spotting! I may have asked the question before but do any of you routinely use fungicides? ( Some nurseries recommend this.) If so what and what have been the effects?

I have also bemoaned the poor performance of my Cattleya bicolor and it has at last flowered after an extended sulk. Here is a pic − seems even better after such a long (3 or 4 years) wait.



From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] fungicides
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:50

Andy, your picture is spectacular. Thank you for
sharing it with the group.


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Weston
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:35

I told Ian Parsons- who has seemed to have a lot to do with it , in
Congress Office , that I thought it was very well organised indeed. I
enjoyed it .

However I have heard a couple of comments pointing differently ,
one has nothing to do with the organisation , namely that the range of
species on offer was not wonderful . I personally think it was better
that , although as always, one had to dig around to find it − e.g. on
stands of Stock , Armstrong , the other German guy who guys in for so 4
the price of 3 ,and even tucked in among the hybrids on the Orchis
stand .
And Laurence Hobbs had some good Vandas, Ascos etc in spike at a

However, some trade stands were selling off cheap , e..g. Joseph Wu −
were selling their amazing cattleya meristems at UKP10 instead of UKP15
, and I
did a haggle with them and go another 25% off by buying a bagful , on
Sunday morning !. Usually , the sell-off starts only half an hour
closing. The story I heard is that there was no advertising , no AA
to the route, local hotels and shops were not aware of it, Mr & Mrs
did not know it was on85. Good for us orchid buffs ( no crowds) but it
is the
general public who buy all those phallys and oncidium multigenerics in
flower , and this time the trade took them home with them , which
means a
loss to them and in the long run is bad for us too. I am also told that
challenged on the subject "they" − whoever they were , said that they
couldn't afford advertising . Very short-sighted , if true.

But for me, I echo Dennis − congratulations to all those who gave us a


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Doof reading !!!
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:40

What a cool with-it cove you are to be sure John ; and there was me in my
simplicity , nay , naivety , thinking that it was a spelling mistake . But I
couldn't imagine what word was intended, and I gave up the intellectual
puzzle as too difficult for one of my advancing years and diminishing



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] fungicides
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:00

C.bicolour in all its colour versions is a favourite of mine . I do like
dramatic colours in my plants.

Fungicides ? I don't think any experienced orchid pro' will use fungicides
routinely , meaning as a prophylactic measure , since the Du Pont Benlate
affair, or am I out of date and everyone else is too young to remember
that ?

I'm a great believer in Physan. I have just finished a complete overhaul of
every plant in my greenhouse , lift , inspect , clean up with cotton-wool
balls and alcohol/water mix which removes sooty mould , insects, eggs, etc.
and if any scale ( the only insect problem I have now/ have had recently )
seen , then spray all parts of the plant with the Provado ready-mix as
discussed here. I have turned to this ( rather than the granules or
concentrate) because it avoids any problem about getting the pH right and
getting the added components right , spreaders, wetting agents , whatever ,
which it seems are extremely important with Provado . Mind , its quite
expensive , about £10 for a 'large bottle' ( ½ gallon ? ) and I was buying
them 3 at a time.. Today , when I start work I'm going to spray the whole
house with a Physan mix , leaves everything beautifully clean and fresh ,
and washes away dust, spores, whatever ; this is a prophylactic I am happy
to use , Eric Moon at EYF used to swear by a monthly spray with Physan.

A couple of things I did find in my work , firstly a lot of small black
slugs , babies, just a cm or less long . I guess one of my plant purchases
somewhere had some eggs in the compost which hatched and spread before I
got around to repotting etc . Of course I killed all that I found , maybe 6
or 8 , but I'll bet I missed some . So I have scattered a little slug bait
on every pot with a flower spike. Like Roger, I have found a good crop of
Phally spikes , following the first temperature drops , don't think I have
this many since the time I had an all-phal section in a greenhouse 30 years
ago , when anything other than plain white or plain pink was remarkable.



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Doof reading.
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:10

Hi Dennis and all,

So Dennis, you are turned seventy..................and I have just reached sixty nine, so maybe we are both in that type of club when we do something strange..........can't remember doing it..........and have no idea why we did it.

I can only guess that it was a typing error.

As my German friend would say what a doof [idiot] you are !!!

Regards, Rocky.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Andy's questions.
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:15

Hi Andy,

No I have never used a fungicide.

Flower spotting. Why does it always show up so quickly on a white flower, when it takes so much longer to show itself on a non white flower?

Cattleya bicolour. Superb. Only yesterday I de-potted my miserable looking piece and gave it the once over, then I potted it again to await any developments. Surprising how many of us have some difficulty with these long thin 'caned' Cattleyas.

If it's not too much to ask, can you please tell me how you come by that super black background.



From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Doof reading !!!
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:55

Hi Geoff,
I'll accept the compliment from the second coolest, even if, modest as I am,
I wouldn't have so described m'self!
(I am , of course, assuming you are using the meaning below! (I quote the
Urban Dictionary online;))

3. cove

John The coolest guy in the world.

That cove is the man.


From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] fungicides or not
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:15

Hi Geoff,
I was interested in your observation re;fungicide use and the fact that you
no longer use any at all. At a recent meeting of our Soc. I expressed
surprise at the suggested use of a fungicide applied to freshly deflasked
plantlets but there wasn't exactly a chorus of agreement.

It seemed to me to be odd to apply fungicide to plants that have a
symbiotic fungal micorrhizal relationship. Would you agree there too or are
you referring to the use for matured plants only?

Incidentally, re; our last exchange. It does occur to me that to describe
anyone or anything as "Cool man. Cool!" does have a ring of antiquity (60s?
about it!) but then I see you are still pushing "O man, Oooooo!" in
subliminal text.
Cool Man!


From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Coconut husks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:05


Ray Creek Orchids, Scunthorpe, sells what you are looking for in bags containing a minimum of ten pieces. If interested let me know and I can give you a phone number.


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: empty messages
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:35

Alternatively , of course, we could just turn off the computer, pull out the
plug, call the recycling centre , go shopping for a set of carrier

But I think I'll stay as I am. I enjoy the chat , and I'm too old to switch
to Linux − free it may be, but I only have one life.


jan wrote on 19 October :

Tricia Garner wrote:
> As Barbara says, valid list messages almost always have a relevant subject
> line. There is a lot of 'spoofing' of email addresses going on at the
> moment − for instance I frequently receive messages to me supposedly from
> me, which I never sent.
> There are bound to be messages around which are masquerading as genuine
> list messages and which have not gone through the system here. It is
> essential to keep filters and anti-spam utilities up-to-date. I recommend
> checking for updates daily and don't open aything which is even slightly
> suspect − it just isn't worth the risk.
Or people could do like me: Use Thunderbird and turn off all HTML
interpretation (there is an option 'View -> Message Body as ->
Plain Text'); also turn off Java and Javascript etc. I don't know if
Internet Explorer can do that now, it didn't use to.

Oh, another thing is that Windows has this manic idea about having to
open or execute any file that you doubleclick on − it may be a good idea
revising that feature (I use Linux, so I don't have the problem). And
while we're at it, documents made with Word, Excel etc can contain
embedded code, so that when you open them, they actually run a program,
potentially a very nasty feature, but I think it can be turned off.


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Coconut discs.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:35

Expansive indeed, if it grows to be a coconut palm (tree) a hundred feet
tall .

( Sorry Jan, could not resist that )


jan wrote:

...Oh, wait a moment, maybe
you can buy one in a garden centre in the form of a young coconut palm,
but that is bound to be rather expansive.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Ray C reek.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:35

Hi Gordon,

Yes please I would like to give him a call.

I have purchased some plants from him in the past and have always been delighted with them. Also it is nice to be able to chat with him as he 'speaks our language'.

One lot of plants that I did buy from him came from Malaysia..........without Import Permit or the dreaded CITES.........oh dear! I hope nobody turns up at my door to confiscate them..........that is if I can remember what I purchased. Anyhow, they were not endangered.

Kind regards, Rocky.


From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Paphs photos − No doof reading
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:25

Hello John,

I'm sure that Tricia has a good sense of English humour and you can be
assured my German one isn't worse than her English one.:-) :-):-)
This year and in the last year my wife and I spent our holidays on the
British Island and we learnt to know the English humour live and I think
sometimes we gave a good German humour in return.
With regard to 'editing photos' you're absolutely right it becomes
difficult when the darker parts of the motif are blurred into the
background. In that case you've got to be very patient and a real
'artist' to achieve a good result.

Best regards from Germany, Rudolf


From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Paphs photos − No doof reading
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:25

Hello jns,

I'm pleased to read that you like my Paphs photo(s) particularly when I
think of many good photos on your web site. I copied the url of your web
site to the folder of my favourites since you've started your new site -
I think it was in May this year.
But please don't exaggerate with my Paph. leucochilum photo − perhaps a
good photo but art − I don't know.
To your question, I edit my photos with Photo Shop 6.0.

Best regards from Germany, Rudolf


From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Paphs photos − No doof reading
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:15

Hello Geoff,

The wetness of Seramis is a problem indeed on the one hand but it is an
advantage on the other hand.
Let me explain − I think I wouldn't recommend Seramis for using in a
greenhouse where an automatically fogging system or watering system
But it works for me as an indoor grower together with the rubber foam
flakes and the drainage layer at the bottom of the pot. The pots don't
stand permanently in water if they were a drainage layer would be
It allows me due to its retentive nature to water once in a fortnight
till once in three weeks (depends on the weather and heating
conditions). It's better to keep the water can locked than to water too
The advantage is for me − I save time with this potting medium and the
plants get only the feed I give them with the water − no uncontrolled
decaying of organic compost etc.
I don't use Seramis together with hydroculture. In case of hydroculture
I use cut strips of Styrofoam.
Regarding Paphs and hydroculture − I made first attempts nearly five
years ago and it worked. I gave one Paph hybrid in hydroculture as a
present to my mother in law at that time and it grows and flowers until

Noticed a mistake at the beginning of my yesterdays message − good
noticed is wrong WELL noticed is right. I hope there is no English
teacher among us. :-) :-) :-)

Best regards from Germany, Rudolf


From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Ray C reek.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:10

Hi Roger,
Tel. number 01724 798 445.
Good luck,


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Paphs photos − No doof reading
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:25

We do understand what you say Rudolf , and speaking for myself at least,
wish my command of your language was even half as good as yours is of my



From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Paphs photos − No doof reading
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:10

I'll second that Geoff!!
My son, his German wife and family are in Germany.
I can watch German TV in UK and enjoy it.
However, unless i'm alone in a city, when i have to do my best with the
language, i am unable to speak it because of acute embarrassment! I think
that, by and large, it's an English disease.
It wouldn't be half so bad if we could speak and write our own language
Your English is fine Rudolph.


From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: I need some names
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:55

I have some Sobralias that need names. You can see
them on my site: http://togofcoralgables.com/Sobralia.aspx


From: Tina Stagg
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sobralias etc
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:45

I am always very, very wary of attaching names to orchids on the basis of a photograph alone. I want to know where the plant came from and whether it is absolutely, definitely, a species and what is the most likely species from that particular habitat flowering at that particular time.

If it is a nursery raised plant, I ask − why has the pedigree been lost?

I have seen many guesses made 'because something looks just like something' − then a label is put in the pot − then a bit is given away − then somebody decides to breed from it − then everything goes pear-shaped because the progeny do not fit the pattern they should − and we all get cross because we cannot win prizes with a suspect mongrel.

Sorry to be a sourpuss but it is much better, in the long run, to try and research the provenance from previous owners, breeders, etc.



From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sobralias etc
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:50

If it would be helpful for one who knows their
Sobralias I can give the country of origin for them.
The grower bought them at the Redlands Orchid Festival
in Homestead, Florida from an out of country grower.



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