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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Mail
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:50

Hi there,
For some reason I do not seem to have had any mail for the last few days. Is
there some problem? I really miss hearing everyones little problems!
Cheers
Max Redman

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Mail
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:55

There has been no mail for nearly a week! I'm definitely suffering
withdrawal symptoms and it sounds as if you are too :-)

From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Mail
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:05

Yes indeed. I am beginning to feel deprived. Expect lot of members on
holiday these last few weeks. I really only grow Phals and as such seem to
be in the minority amongst the list members who seem to be involved with so
many esoterically species with names I can only just pronounce and certainly
cannot spell and so I do not feel qualified to comment very often.
Ronbow.

From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mail
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:25

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mail
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:40

Max, don't worry. The computer gods (little 'g')
enjoy pushing us around. It took 5 days for my reply
about virus problems to be posted. When a thread is
active I have noticed some replies are out of order
due to late posting. Then there is the normal lull in
the action. On my web site I have a page called
'Contact Us'. When someone tries to contact me it
normally takes 3 days. I have tried to start some
threads on my site but I have not had enough feedback.
If you would like to try it go to:
http://togofcoralgables.com/contactus.aspx

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mail
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:20

From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Flood & Drain
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:15

In the new orchid house, I am proposing to devote 20% of my space to a Flood
& Drain tank. What are the most suitable types of orchid to grow by this
method?

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Climate change !!!
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:25

We hear much talk of climate change...............as far as my fuel bills go, I am very glad to hear of it, slightly tongue in cheek of course.

Since the spring months I have had my greenhouse door open all through the day and night, and they are still being left open at night. The lowest temperature, just on one night was 50F/10C. Most nights it has hardly dropped below 60F/15C.

With the slightly lower night temperatures than those of the very hot summer, my orchids have started to respond. Most of my Phalaenopsis are showing spikes. Cattleyas are either in bud or on there way to flowering. Everything is going very well.

And now on to CITES..........do I here a cry of 'Not that subject again', or do I maybe have other people backing me up ????

My parents taught me to be honest. I ask CITES to hang their heads in shame, and why ?

As I have stated before, if I can buy an orchid from any E.U. Country with no paperwork whatsoever, meaning that I do not require an Import Licence or CITES, then why can't I buy the same orchid from shall we say America/Australia etc.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalkl] Re: Climate change !!!
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:10

> As I have stated before, if I can buy an orchid from any E.U. Country
> with no paperwork whatsoever, meaning that I do not require an Import
> Licence or CITES, then why can't I buy the same orchid from shall we say
> America/Australia etc.

At the risk of repeating myself, surely it's obvious! If the E.U. vendor
imported this 'same orchid' to sell on he/she will have sorted any
paperwork, so it has already been done before you buy...

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Climate change !!!
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:55

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalkl] Re: Climate change !!!
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:00

Very true Tricia, but if propagated no paperwork would have been
necessary.
Gordon.

"Tricia Garner" wrote:
> At the risk of repeating myself, surely it's obvious! If the E.U. vendor
> imported this 'same orchid' to sell on he/she will have sorted any
> paperwork, so it has already been done before you buy...

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalkl] Re: Climate change !!!
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:55

Absolutely, Gordon − that's the whole point isn't it? It all depends on
where the plant was 'born'. :-)

From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Mail
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:00

Hello Tom
Sorry to say that is one of the orchids that I do not grow so am unable to give you any help at all. I am sure that there are others on the list that may be able to help.
Max.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Propogated orchids and CITES.
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:35

Yes, Greenpeace did answer but the people that they suggested I contact seemed a definite 'No hope area'.

When you mentioned PROPAGATED orchids my ears pricked up because I think you have hit on the ideal point to hit CITES with. Whether the propagated orchids are hybrids or species that we all know are propagated in their thousands, then no way can they be shoved under the heading ENDANGERED SPECIES.

And of course you are very correct when you say that therefore no paperwork is necessary.

May we all continue to batter CITES on this very valid point until CITES own up and tell us that they have been trading incorrectly.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Eria's.
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:00

On the subject of Eria's......... are your problem plants the ones that have very hard pseudobulbs?????

I ask this question because I have an Eria that does not flower and is one of those with such bulbs.

Over the years I have found that ALL species with extremely hard bulbs can sometimes be difficult.

One such type that I have is an Epidendrum. I guess that if you fired the bulb at someone with a catapult it would do some harm. I say this to emphasise that I am describing only the very hard bulbed types.

They all seem to be loathe to start into new growth as most other orchids, and they also seem not able to make up a bulb as required. Maybe it's our British climate, maybe it's my culture, but do other people have stories about these very hard bulbed orchids.

From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Eria's.
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:45

Rocky ive got no problem with them not producing new growth
plenty of new bulbs But they will not flower i grow them with
bulbophyllums they all flower so ther is a trigger missing
if i thought that the threat of being fired from catapult would
induce them to flower i would have a word with them might even persuade
the wife to catch them lol

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Eria's
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:35

Anyhow, as the books tell us that there may be over 500 different Erias, ranging from the Himalayas to Samoa, perhaps you might like to tell me where you think your plants came from originally and I could look up the temperatures in my little weather book of that area.

To be sure, these last couple of weeks here in Southern England with the lower night time temperatures sure have seen my Phallys put up loads of spikes.

From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Non flowering Vandas.
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:55

Good Afternoon Rocky,
I'm a bit late with my reply, as I was away for the National Orchid Conference and Show in White River.
The 'elongation' that you mention is a sure sign of too little sun, or too low in the growing area.
Move the plant as high as possible so that it gets more sun or light. If plants get too much light
then they become stunted. I have experienced this with a number of plants over the years. The leaf
colour is also an indicator. If the leaves are a good green then this also means too little light.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Questions.
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:00

Hi Sharon,
read my reply to Rocky, this might be the answer you are looking for.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: CITES.
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:05

Having spoken to various 'Orchid people' in the last few days, it becomes apparent that there are many loopholes which can be used to ship orchids from here to there.

I hear of importing a large number of Phallys where just one is or has to be in flower.........no CITES required.

And then there is the tale of an Orchid Nursery which has been cross pollinating its orchids for many years and then crossing the best of the bunch. Then maybe, if one of the offspring is worth it, it is then cloned to produce many hundreds. And eventually, they might ship the plants all over the world.........................endangered species? No Sir, not in any way are they endangered species.

CITES would do well to head the old saying, 'You can fool some of the people sum of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time'.

I do love this hobby of mine, but I am damned annoyed when I want to buy orchids from non E.U. countries and I am told that I require a CITES piece of paper, WHEN THEY AND I KNOW THAT WHAT I AM TRYING TO BUY DOES NOT REQUIRE SUCH INTERFERENCE.

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