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1—7 September

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] FW: FW: Florida − Orchid conference
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:55

The first that I heard of the changes was in this
group. As soon as I can, I will ask some growers
questions. I know the hall in Miami Beach was very
difficult to work with. When we had the last WOC it
was staged in a Coconut Grove hall. But that hall is
going to be demolished before the next WOC. Knowing
this the South Florida Orchid Society held its last
international show March 06 in the Miami Beach
Convention Hall. It was close to being a failure.
The space was was to large for there large show. MBC
Hall did not allow discounted pre-sale tickets. The
parking was very tight and when some one had problems
in finding a parking place they just left (with out a
pre sale ticket nothing was lost). I worked in
security at the show Sunday afternoon. You would
think that the bargain hunters would fill the hall.
It was a wake. The vendors were all crying − they do
tend to moan and grown very easily. Some said that
they didn't plan to come back. I suspect that the
hall refused to alter there position.

Know for the good news, the hall is I big enough, the
parking is fine and it's close to the Miami airport.
The January date means that the hall was already
booked for the the Feb-March dates. Our phals will
not be in full flower until March. The plants that
show up for a March will be missing. Well, you know
how it is with gardeners, when you visit they say you
should have been there 2 weeks before or at least next
week. Don' t worry the flowers will be great.

I have a lot to say about the politics of the south
Florida. That's a whole different problem that I
would not put down in print, but you can call me. I
have been a member of the SFOS since 1949 with time
off for university years. Three years ago I dropped
out of the group because of the politics. I am a
member of the Coalition of Orchid Species, the AOS and
the RHS. I do hope to have a social function for
members of this group during the WOC.

The attachment is just to say I grow more then


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Ascocendas.
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:50

Mornin' Sharon,

So nice to hear that someone else has an Ascocenda which does not bloom. And as I have said before, it does seem to be a common occurrence with the Vanda type orchids.

Having once visited Singapore and Penang and seeing these glorious plants in flower it does make us all have a go with them.

But why do they not perform?????

It's not the climate or hours of sunshine, as mine did flower very well for some years.


Regards, Rocky.


From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Previous topics
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:45

Some time ago I took part in a discussion about conservation of orchids relative to CITES and advocated that allowing nurseries and/or individuals to grow from seed from legally collected plants and giving a percentage of proceeds back to the government of the country from where the plant originated would be best for all and would eventually stamp out smuggling and the need for beaurocratic paper mountains. I would refer you to the article by Phillip Cribb on Phrag Kovachi in the latest Orchid Review pages 256/257..


From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Blooming Vanda and Ascocenda
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:10

Greetings -
A few years ago, I was commenting to a very
experienced and excellent orchid grower that some
plant or other had bloomed successfully for a few
years, and then would seem to stop completely or bloom
His response was that when people said that they were
"able to grow a plant successfully" because they had
gotten it to bloom, he said that they should grow the
same plant for 5-6 years, and if it was still blooming
on a regular basis, *then* they could say that they
were successful in growing this particular plant or
I've thought about this pretty regularly (ask me why)
when I have plants that do flower a few times, or for
a few years, and then seem to lose enthusiasm. I
suspect that well-grown nursery plants have a reserve
of vigor that will let them appear to thrive for some
time even with less-than-ideal culture. Eventually,
however, this reserve is depleted.
I live in the deep south, USA, and I know people who
manage to flower things like Miltonia or Dracula once
or twice − but eventually these distinctly NOT
heat-tolerant plants will begin to decline.
I have more Vandaceous plants than any other type, and
they grow like weeds and some bloom 5-6 times a year -
these plants thrive in high heat, bright sun, and lots
of moisture − luckily, our summer is 10 months long.
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade...but you can
probably flower Paphs, too. Not me.
Regards − Nancy (Louisiana Gulf Coast)

"If I were asked ... to what the singular prosperity and
growing strength of Americans ought mainly to be
attributed, I should reply: To the superiority of
their women." ---------Alexis de Tocqueville


To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Horticultural Exposition in Thailand.
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:30

For those interested I have just received the following info re The International Horticultural Exposition that is to be held in Chiang Mai − Northern Thailand from 1st of November to the 31st of January. Quote: "More than 50,000 orchid plants of a thousand varieties from around the world will be showcased at the exposition, the most extensive display of orchids ever seen. This grand display of world orchids will showcase Thailand's potential as a global orchid centre." However be warned − about two million visitors are expected to attend the show!
For anyone who is interested in attending the show and in seeing other orchid attractions I have organised a 12 day orchid tour around Northern Thailand in January. For a brochure please contact me via email.
I have also just imported into the UK a large consignment of plants from Thailand including over 200 Paphiopedilums (12 different species) − a full descriptive price list will be ready in about ten days.


From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] FW: FW: Florida − Orchid conference
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:50

I do enjoy your pictures and have looked at them on MSN for some
years.Certainly I admire your orchids but do like to see the other plants
that you grow. I am particularly envious of your Mango bush that you showed
some time ago. I like to eat them but have to buy them at my local
supermarket. I of course do grow Orchids mainly Phals, not as you do, all
over your garden, but of course under glass and lights as I am in the north
of England. I write to you because I do not recognise the pink flower you
attaché, Like yourself I have been a RHS member for more than 50 years and
have seen a lot of flowers but this one has me beat. Perhaps you would be
kind enough to enlighten me and trust the list members will not mind it
being none Orchid. Actually I would like to see an occasional pictures of
our orchid growers other flowers, the less common ones, if Tricia will allow
it, is it a goer, List members? Well here is one of mine. Camellias, I grow
them under glass. In the sort of climate you have I am sure that if you
planted a broom shank you would grow a brush.
Best wishes and regards from this side of the pond,


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid Review.
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:15

Hi Gordon,

Thanks for your item regarding CITES etc, and the article from Phil Cribb.

I did go into the Orchid Review website.............but that article cannot be accessed, I don't know why !!!

I am still very interested to read it..........any suggestions.

Regards, Rocky.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Long bloomers.
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:15

Hi Nancy,

I did enjoy your article about the blooming of certain plants and I could not agree more. It even covers many of our garden plants.

Of course, the old question arises..........how is it then that some plants that I have had for over thirty years still continue to perform year in, year out.

I guess it still comes back to the Vanda type plants.

Regards, Rocky.


From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Review.
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:35

Rocky and others,
For some reason the Cribb item is the only one without a header allowing the article to be brought up. Sorry I have no answer as to why, but I am sure some of your "orchidbuddies" will furnish you with a copy.


From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Long bloomers.
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:30

Hi Rocky,
Now we're into autumn, it'll soon be a case of winter draw(er)s on.
Can we have long bloomers as well or must we wait for the spring now?
Pity that Stanhopeas are so short-flowering; reflects the modern fashion trend I suppose


From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The old chestnut
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:45

Some time ago I suggested that we all approach our local MP regarding CITES. This was not at all welcomed by many of the more experienced of you who said we would be wasting our time.
This morning I was flicking through the pages of Orchids of Papua New Guinea (1999) and came across a paragraph by the book's author Andree Millar saying how she and some friends were forbidden because of CITES from saving an area of orchid plants from the bulldozer preparing the ground for a new mine. I mentioned this in passing to my wife who said "I bet GREENPEACE could have saved the plants".

Has she given us the avenue of approach from an organisation more dedicated in saving for ever everything from whales to whatever and who took on MacDonald's and their clearance of vast swathes of land to grow Soya for their burgers and got them to STOP.

There is a Greenpeace representative in every city in the world and I am sure they could and would take up the cudgels on our behalf to make the various bodies have a rethink.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: CITES.
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:05

Hi Gordon and anyone else on this planet of ours that think as many of us do about the 'dreaded' CITES.

Gordon, I liked your message very much, and to that end I have just sent a rather long E-mail to Greenpeace at their London office.

I will be away until Friday next week.

Let's keep up the pressure.

Kind regards, Roger.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: CITES.
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:10

I was just wondering if someone with the knowledge about how to construct a Webpage might like to build one for the specific aim of handling all of the correspondence about getting CITES changed so that it does not cover non endangered species, and just does the work that it is supposed to do........protect ENDANGERED SPECIES.

Then all orchid people could buy from who they wanted to from any part of this planet in a sensible way.

So, we need a worldwide Website for those against CITE$ in this instance

ORCHIDS FREE FROM CITES. Or something like that.

Regards, Rocky.


From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: re Blooming Vanda and Ascocenda
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:35

Some reblooming problems might be a virus problem.
About 25 years ago I bought a semi-terete Ascocenda
clone. It was a small plant with well shaped flowers.
It bloomed prodigiously for the first two years. It
looked that it would grow into a small shrub. It was
in constant bloom. But then it stopped never to bloom
again. The conditions were the same. Virus is the
only thing that I could blame. I did not test it for
virus, I just pitched it out. Why have an autopsy?

Here we grow our plants in the open and thrips munch
on our fruit trees as well as our orchids. Nothing is
safe. Around my area I tell friends to get rid of
plants that no longer produce good growth and good
flowers. If your plant still produces a good crop of
flowers don't worry about virus and when you repot
plants treat them like they they were virused (use all
precautions) Don't plan to be the only grower without
virus. We only know how to easily test for a few of
the orchid viruses.

For years I grew some stud quality Phals that I knew
were virused and they never showed any signs of the
virus. They were not grown close to other orchids.
But then after many years the virus load was to a
point that I trashed them and started all over. Many
new growers look like geniuses for the first three
years. When they get a virus they look like the rest
of use in due time.



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