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April 1—7

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Swamp coolers
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:35

Hi All

Here in Perth WA, we live in a semi desert area with long, hot, dry summers. Humidity drops to as low as 5-10% sometimes, particularly in the middle of the day. Swamp Coolers are ubiquitous and sit atop most homes. They are cheaper to run than reverse cycle air conditioners too. These are very large and are ducted into most rooms of the house. Connected to the mains too. They have been blamed for Legionnaires Disease where they are on large office type buildings and have not been cleaned properly.

Our home swamp cooler has a dump mechanism which allows for all the water to be replaced at intervals and when the unit is switched off. It works fine as a cooler in low humidity conditions, but is a total wast of time in situations of high humidity, as I found out when trying to use one in Sydney.

There are a number of smaller units available here, which are designed to be set in a window or moved around on a small stand with casters. Many of these are used during the summer then left in storage over winter. What often happens is that when they come to be used again, they should really be primed, and are often thrown out as broken. I make a habit of rescuing them wherever possible and getting them going again. The casing is made of plastic and ingeniously devised so that all the bits click together with no screws being used. This makes it difficult for many folk to figure out how to get into them, so they either smash them, or just dump them.

I have three orchid houses with a swamp cooler in each, and plenty of replacements. Another by product (particularly in areas of low quality water) is a build up of salts in the pad the water runs through. This is because the air being forced through the pad, evaporates some of the water leaving the salts behind. Admittedly, this takes a long time to happen, but a regular clean out of the pads and replacement are factors to be considered.

Selling them off to other orchid growers is a small sideline for me. It won't make me rich, but keeps me off the streets.

I would be happy post one to Geoff if he is willing to pay the postage. ;-)

Happy growing

Tony

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Shows
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:05

I am trying to make up my mind as to which of the big Flower Shows would be
most interesting to attend from an orchid point of view, Chelsea, Hampton
Court or Tatton Park.

Any suggestions?

Ron Newstead

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Swamp coolers
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:55

Yes, I was forgetting that there are places in the world where humdity is
rather different ! . Here in UK , outside the house I guess it varies
between 60% and 100% for 99% of the time, so excess is a problem, and its
only antiuque furniture collectors who worry about it being too low !

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk]Foggers but also other interesting matters
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:55

I think if one is on broadband, and "always on" , the simple answer is never
to close down , merely minimise − so that the site is just one click away.

On 30/03/06, Ron Newstead wrote:
>
> I am also on Google (introduced to it by our fellow member Jordan Steels)
> but find it a bit tiresome to have to go into the web first. Or am I doing
> something wrong?
>
> Ron

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] foggers
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:00

With most modern taps, if you leave them dripping , they will shut off -
they are actually designed to do that....
An old one, maybe even one with a leather washer ( if you can find one that
old) would be different.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Swamp coolers
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:05

I guess the postage from Oz to UK would be a bit prohibitive, and I might
end up payoing duty and VAT too !
But I know they are/have been on sale in UK, I just have to track them down.

On 01/04/06, Tony Watkinson wrote:

> I would be happy post one to Geoff if he is willing to pay the postage.
> ;-)
>
> Happy growing
>
> Tony
>

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Shows
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:30

Hampton Cpourt usually has just a couple of orchid people in the central
marquee − McBeans and Orchid Answers , but I heard that Orchid Answers has
closed down.
Chelsea is said to have more than usual orchid displays this year (
according to the RHS journal recently).
And Tatton is outside my experience, but I will be interested to hear
comments from anyone who has been.

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From: Ronald Bower
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnoches
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:45

On 25 Mar 2006, at 07:59, Gordon Walker wrote:

> Many thanks to Rudolf, Roger, Geoffrey, Ron, and Jean for the
> information on where to get the plant. I wonder why no UK nurseries
> stock the plant with such a "room filling" scent of spicy pineapple.
> Gordon.No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 − Release Date:
> 03/24/2006

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: FW: THAILAND
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:55

I thought that this might be of interest to some of you

Ron

PETER WILLIAMS wrote:

Hello Ron,

My appologies over replying late − I am conducting a spring tour in Thailand
and we have just returned from the East after being out of communication for
ten days!!!

Khao Yai is a bit off my area being south of Bangkok. I have never been
there but have read about it many times. It is a very good area for
wildlife.

We have improved yet again on the number of species seen in flower in the
wild for our spring tour. This year with a few new areas included we
recorded fifty four different species seen! A number which next years group
will have to improve on !!!

Hope your keeping well,

Regards,

Peter.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cycnoches
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:10

Answer ; they are not very easily obtainable in the wholesale trade − I
don't think any of the Dutch "plant Factories" produces them as they are not
good house plants. Any plant which drops all its leaves for its rest season,
is a no-no for non-orchid growers !
Geoff

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Fw: Half inch pumice chips.[Scanned]
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:15

I think it was one of the "Rons" who was enquiring about the half inch chunks of pumice. Perhaps whoever it was would acknowledge the e-mail from Eddie.
Gordon.

----- Original Message -----
From: PumexMail
To: Gordon Walker
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:13 AM
RE: Half inch pumice chips.[Scanned]

Dear Gordon,

Yes we can supply you with our pumice pellets TN (10-14mm). The price for a 25kg bag of this grade will be £2.00 per kg plus carriage.

Best regards,

Eddie
--
Edward Blackmore
Business Development Manager
For Pumex (UK) Ltd
info@pumex.co.uk
Tel: 01622 882022
Fax: 01622 882441

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Parentage/Registration.
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:10

Hi to you all,

Can someone please tell me EXACTLY what website I want to be able to look up the Parentage and Registration of orchids, and is it user friendly.

Two that I want to research at the moment are:

Cattleya Canhamiana

Cattleya Mary Ann Barnett 'Exquisita' FCC/AOS

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: Half inch pumice chips.[Scanned]
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:35

Thanks Gordon. I have ordered a couple of bags „ see copy of my email to
Pumex.

Ron (Newstead)

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dend. nobile type
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:55

Me too!

Ron

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Geoffrey Hands wrote:

Me too − why not cut it into a few peices and sell them to us ?

I'm a buyer for one !

On 27/03/06, Andy Mckeown wrote:

Fantastic plant Dennis and great culture − but why off to the nursery?

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Parentage/Registration.
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:10

On 04 Apr, in article ,
Roger Grier wrote:
> Hi to you all,

> Can someone please tell me EXACTLY what website I want to be able to look
> up the Parentage and Registration of orchids, and is it user friendly.

For goodness sake Rocky, use the Orchid-Talk website − that's what it's
there for! I refer you to my message of 12 January, in reply to a similar
query from you...

1. Go to to http://www.orchid-talk.co.uk/links.html (and bookmark it)

2. Look at the paragraph under Miscellaneous (the first listing on
the page), entitled Royal Horticultural Society Orchid Register Search

3. Click the link Grex Name Search − this takes you to the appropriate RHS
page

4. Type the species name e.g. Cattleya in the box marked Genus

5. Type the hybrid name e.g. Mary Ann Barnett in the box marked Grex

6. Click 'search'

7. That's all there is to it − much quicker to do than explain.

> Two that I want to research at the moment are:

> Cattleya Canhamiana

It's there, actually it's Laeliocattleya

> Cattleya Mary Ann Barnett 'Exquisita' FCC/AOS

That one is there, too.

Have a go.

--

Tricia

Do wizards use spell-checkers?

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From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Parentage/Registration.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:45

Hi Rocky -
Try this:
http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registerpages/orchidsearch.asp
There's also a hyperlink for finding the progeny of
parents.
Regards − Nancy

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend;
inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

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From: "Schoonjans, Peter-Dieter \(IT\)"
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dend. nobile type
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:05

Just out of interest, how do you propagate them if you cut them into pieces? They don't just grow roots like trees do if you plant a branch?

Peter

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Parentage/Registration.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:10

And Rocky

If you are having a problem with it − as I had − it's because it is set up
so that it only recognises the exact word and counts spaces as additional
characters. So if you type Nobile it will recognise it but if you type
Nobile followed by space bar it will tell you it does not appear in the
register. Took me a while to work out why it was so erractic for me!

Andy

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Parentage/Registration.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:40

On 05 Apr, in article ,
nancy wrote:
> Hi Rocky -
> Try this:
> http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registerpages/orchidsearch.asp
> There's also a hyperlink for finding the progeny of
> parents.

Yes indeed − that's where the links from the Orchid-Talk website take you.
The idea was to make it simple for people to find the information − no
doubt you have noticed on the Orchidguide Digest list that several people
appear to have problems with the RHS site, although I don't really know
why. Maybe they don't understand the terms 'Genus' and 'Grex'... I have
amended the instructions in the section to be more helpful (I hope!) and
also moved the section so it is the first item.

--

Tricia

Do wizards use spell-checkers?

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dend. nobile type
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:55

I found the best way to propagate was to cut off a stem that had finished flowering and had dropped it's leaves. Then lay it on a strip of capilliary matting that must be kept wet. Most nodes will produce a shoot. When roots are well formed cut the stem either side of the shoot and pot up.
Regards

Schoonjans, Peter-Dieter (IT) wrote:

Just out of interest, how do you propagate them if you cut them into pieces? They don't just grow roots like trees do if you plant a branch?

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From: "Schoonjans, Peter-Dieter \(IT\)"
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dend. nobile type
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:05

Dennis, thanks for the reply. I'll chop off a stem tonight and see what happens. Should the surrounding environment be very humid, or should it just lay on something quite wet? (i.e. could I put it in the container in which I put little plants which have just been deflasked).

Good thing that places like homebase sell their plants for three or so pounds so trying something like this costs no money at all :) In the beginning of Februaru I picked up a Paph for 5 pounds and it still flowered for 6 weeks! End of flowering Cymbidiums went for 3 pounds last week.

Peter

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dennis READ wrote:

I found the best way to propagate was to cut off a stem that had finished flowering and had dropped it's leaves. Then lay it on a strip of capilliary matting that must be kept wet. Most nodes will produce a shoot. When roots are well formed cut the stem either side of the shoot and pot up.
Regards

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From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Parentage/Registration.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:55

http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registerpages/orchidsearch.asp

>Hi to you all,
>
>Can someone please tell me EXACTLY what website I want to be able to look up the Parentage and >Registration of orchids, and is it user friendly.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Parentage/Registration.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:05

Hi all,

Many thanks to those of you who kindly answered my cry for help.

Tricia actually set it out for me so that I could not go wrong. I have printed out her sheet for future reference until I know it off by heart.

Now comes my big moan at the R.H.S. website that I used.

Why use the word GREX.

Why use the word EPITHET.

I am absolutely positive that in all of my thirty eight years of enjoying this fantastic hobby, I have perhaps come across this word GREX no more than five or six times. Is it related to 'T'-Rex perhaps.

Then the word EPITHET.

Why people just cannot use EVERYDAY words baffles me.

No doubt I will receive an answer telling me that I should know what these words mean, but then I still will say that a choice of better words would have been more appropriate.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Register an orchid hybrid.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:30

Good evening to you all,

Some of you will know of an orchid that I have had for some time, and earlier this year I gave a piece to Andy McKeown, which he has flowered well.

The orchid is:

Cattleya Nellie Roberts x Charlotte Goddard.

Andy gave me a little scrap of information when he called it 'Gottard', but I now think that it just might be 'Gotthard'.

If anyone can throw more light on this interesting cross then I would be very pleased to know.

My ultimate aim would be to register it under the name of 'Lipstick Lady'.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Parentage.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:45

Hi all,

Please disregard my last E-mail...........................thanks to you all and to Tricia, I have just looked up Cattleya Charlotte Goddard in the R.H.S. website.

So, it was a person named Wallbrunn and it was registered on January 1st 1973.

I would still like to register it though, and give credit to whoever made the cross. 'Lipstick Lady' would still be the name that I suggest.

Rocky.

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Parentage/Registration.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40

On 05 Apr, in article ,
Roger Grier wrote:
> Hi all,

> Many thanks to those of you who kindly answered my cry for help.

> Tricia actually set it out for me so that I could not go wrong. I have
> printed out her sheet for future reference until I know it off by heart.

Glad it helped :-)

> Now comes my big moan at the R.H.S. website that I used.

> Why use the word GREX.

> Why use the word EPITHET.

> I am absolutely positive that in all of my thirty eight years of enjoying
> this fantastic hobby, I have perhaps come across this word GREX no more
> than five or six times. Is it related to 'T'-Rex perhaps.

Well, I have come across 'Grex' fairly frequently but probably only in the
last ten years or so. I vaguely remember the term 'Hybrid name' being more
commonly used before then, but I could be wrong.

> Then the word EPITHET.

Again, I could be wrong, but to me it has always had pejorative overtones.

> Why people just cannot use EVERYDAY words baffles me.

Too easy.

> No doubt I will receive an answer telling me that I should know what
> these words mean, but then I still will say that a choice of better words
> would have been more appropriate.

See above.

--

Tricia

RAM disk is not an installation procedure.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Cynoches
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:15

Hi all.

I live in Costa Rica I have several different cynoches and they don't drop the leaves. I have hundred growing in my greenhouse. And have lots of seed ready to take to the lab. I would love to talk with a wholesaler to supply them with this easy to grown,beautifully fragrant plant.

Cheers,

Jim Mateosky

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Parentage/Registration.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:45

Roger Grier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Many thanks to those of you who kindly answered my cry for help.
>
> Tricia actually set it out for me so that I could not go wrong. I have printed out her sheet
>for future reference until I know it off by heart.
>
> Now comes my big moan at the R.H.S. website that I used.
>
> Why use the word GREX.
>
> Why use the word EPITHET.
>
This is because these terms are invented by and for the scientific
community. It actually makes sense to do like this, when you're a
scientist − for one thing, the scientific community is international,
and and there is some sense in not favouring one national language in
that context; just imagine if it was all in, say, Russian or Chinese!

The other, and more important reason is, that it is good practise in
science to use words that are NOT familiar from everyday life. Why?
Because everyday terms carry a lot of different meanings to different
people, which could make it more difficult to communicate effectively
with your international colleagues.

Let's say that we had used the term 'Last name' instead of 'Epithet'; to
us in Europe and USA last names (in daily usage) are family names; so
perhaps we might tend to think of it as the genus, whereas in East Asia
people would think of it as the name of the species because they have
the family names first. Of course in practise this is just a matter of
learning what is the right way around; but then so is the word 'epithet'.

The problem is not so bad in the small part of biology that we get in
touch with as orchid growers; but it really is an important issue in
science − mathematics in particular is riddled with everyday words that
have extremely specialised meanings, and it is one of the major causes
of confusion for students (and professors too!)

/jan

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Parentage/Registration.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:05

I see what you mean Jan, but I still think a better word than 'epithet'
could have been chosen since to a lot of people it is another term for
'swear word' :-)

--

Tricia

The older you get, the better you realize you were.

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From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Parentage/Registration.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:45

Roger,

I would justify the use of grex and epithet for the same reason that
it is preferable to use Latin names for species which (when modified
with reference to the author where necessary), are unambiguous, rather
than common names, which could mean different things to different
people.

However, I do agreethat a website such as the RHS (which is primarily
used by laypeople) could be a bit more user friendly by including more
commonly understood terms.

Regards,

Chong-Yee

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dend. nobile type
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:05

Peter, I have only tried this method on D. nobile types. Whether it works on other types I do not know.
I just lay my canes on capilliary matting in my orchid house which has reasonably high humidity.
Regards

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From: lazybonesnmaggie
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: lathe blinds and disa orchid society
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:55

Hi there
can anyone tell us where to purchase clips for makeing lathe blinds for the greenhouse.

is there a disa society in the uk or any suppliers of plants.

margaret &david johnson

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Orchids in flower in April 2006
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:05

I thought you might like to see some of my orchids I have in flower at the
moment. The Dendrobium nobile Cooksonianum has flowered well this year.

Peter Fowler, Alton, U.K.
Birthplace of William Curtis.

Ps. I have an original 7th edition, Orchid Growers Manual, by B.S.Williams
for sale. Not a reprint but an original. Good thing though, the price is
of a reprint @ £40 + P&P. It is a heavy book so will not be cheap to post
outside of the UK, but am willing to post world-wide.

Email for further details, please. Can send scans if required.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Neobenthamia gracilis.
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:00

Hi all,

Do any of you know where I might be able to get the above orchid.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Autumn ladys Tresses
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:05

Hello to all of our U.K. and European members,

Can any of you that are very interested in our Wild Orchids help me with a date.

I would like to log the approximate time that the Autumn Ladies Tresses leaves disappear in our Spring.

When I looked at the leaf rosettes three weeks ago they were complete and looked fine. Yesterday there was not a leaf to be found. This of course is quite natural, and also it is about this time of the year that it happens. I have logged the date over the years, but I would like to hear from other enthusiasts.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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