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January 1—7

From: denis king
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Pleiones and Horse manure.
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 09:10

Rocky,

I am very much a novice. I got some Pleone bulbs 2 years ago
unfortunately things got neglected for a number of reasons and have just
repotted in horse manure after finding a Tasmanian site. Now I am encouraged
that I may be ok.

Thanks Denis

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From: denis king
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Pleiones and Horse manure.
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:00

Rocky again,

If you do not have the address it is www.vision.net.au/~nicvdb.

Unfortunately Nic van den Bosch has just passed away at the age of 95.

Happy New Year

Regards Denis

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Pleiones and Horse manure.
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:10

Yes, Roger. How do you get rid of the smell?

Happy New Year.

Ron

Roger Grier wrote:

Hi Denis,

As I see that you have had no reply from our members with reference to
growing Pleiones in Horse manure, I thought I might be able to give you some
help.

No, I have not put my Pleiones in Horse manure as yet. I have four bowls
full of them.

I do have some Cymbidiums and Coelogynes in pure Horse manure, and I have
some 'Trials' of other items.

All I can say is this, that to plant them into pure Horse manure would leave
me with no hesitation at all. Maybe I would also try mixing it in with a
normal compost for Pleiones.

I can say this for sure. Horse manure works very well indeed.

I even use it, diluted, and mixed with rainwater as a foliar/plant feed,
which I spray all over the plant and around the top of the 'compost' so that
it runs/trickles through and enables the roots to grab hold of it.

In our conservatory is a large hanging plant.....Plectranthus australis, and
since I have been feeding it with Horse manure water the leaves have turned
a wonderful healthy dark green. So have the leaves of my Stanhopea.

If I can furnish you with any more information then just give me a try.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Problems with message.....
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:40

There was nothing wrong with Chong Yee's message. It was just awfully big
and took about 11 or 12 minutes to download. Definitely not an Outlook Problem.
Regards

Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Horse manure and the smell???
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:45

Hi there Ron,

Surprising as it may seem to most people, there is no smell. To be fair, when I put some horse manure into a five gallon bucket and add rain water, and leave it for a few days/weeks, there is a slight smell, but, when I decant it and add more rain water for use in the greenhouse there is almost no smell at all, and even then it only lasts for a little time.

Horse manure that is collected from the forest floor and just left in a bag or open container, has no smell at all. Even when wearing gloves to break down some of the 'dollops', for want of a better word, there is no smell whatsoever.

When one considers that the forest grazing horses eat only grass, ferns, gorse and heather, then one can understand why it is so smell free.

I will continue to use it for a liquid feed, and for adding to composts, and also using it neat for some orchids. I will of course keep you all in touch as to how things work out.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: pop3.ukonline.co.uk
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: more orchids
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:00

Today I was on St.Kitts , which has a central mountain some 4000 ft high , which often has a cloud cap − the upper slopes are steep and uncultivated, and whilst the rainfall lower down is about 150 inches per year , the top must be nearer cloud forest than rain forest.The first pic shows the island through a rainbow, just after a rain-squall, and you can see the cloud cap. However I only got to the lower slopes. , and pic 2. is of a Vanda , probably Miss Joaquin , at a garden I visited, formerly the garden of the "big house" at a sugar plantation. One verfy old tree − said to be a "sammona" had a lot of epiphytes , but none in flower. I thought one of themn was what used to be called Brasso. digbyana − now (?) Rhyncolaelia digbyana − pic 3 shows the brancjh with that and other laelias (?) on it.
Its interesting how much talk there is of rain-forest and ecology now, out here − far more than there was a few years ago. Actually, tthey are talking of adding some more of the country to the National Park rain-forest − 22% of the land used to be sugar-cane, but that wa totally abandoned 18 months ago − they can't compete with EU subsidised sugar beet − and they are having a national debate about what to do with the land.
Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Odontoglossum name?
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:55

Hi all,

I have a nice plant of Odontoglossum 'Violetta von Holm', with five spikes. A nice plant which I 'rescued'. It was infected with Red Spider Mite, but a few doses of 'Provado' saw the last of them. This plant looks good for the coming years.

My only problem is........I see on the Internet that there are more than two varieties of this cross, so, my question is this:

What do I look at to tell the difference between one cross and another, as I cannot see that much difference.

In a few days time, when more flowers are out and set, I will post a photo.

Any idea who made the cross?

Regards, Rocky.

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Odontoglossum name?
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:20

Roger, This is a cross between O.bictionense and O. Bic-Ross giving 2/3 bictionense and 1/3 O.rossii according to Wild Catt. The two awarded plants are 'Orchid Man' and 'Bit of Green' but only divisions or mericlones of these plants can have these names. The cross was registered by B. Holm in 1994. There may be other varieties as it is not a primary hybrid. I think they are now Lemboglossums.
Regards

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From: pop3.ukonline.co.uk
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Odontoglossum name?
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:50

registered by one B.Holm in 1994.
I have had − maybe still do have − two slightly different clones − I guess they were tissue propagated, but I agree there is not much difference between them.
The cross is Bic-ross back crossed onto bic ( bictoniense) , and bic is very variable − anything etween a muddy brown and a striking dark pink/purple − e.g. in the cv Lyoth Supreme, so Violetta could be quite variable too
Geoff.

Roger Grier wrote:

Hi all,

I have a nice plant of Odontoglossum 'Violetta von Holm', with five spikes. A nice plant which I 'rescued'. It was infected with Red Spider Mite, but a few doses of 'Provado' saw the last of them. This plant looks good for the coming years.

My only problem is........I see on the Internet that there are more than two varieties of this cross, so, my question is this:

What do I look at to tell the difference between one cross and another, as I cannot see that much difference.

In a few days time, when more flowers are out and set, I will post a photo.

Any idea who made the cross?

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Odontoglossum name.
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:45

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for all of the excellent information which I will write on the label. Do you possibly know any details on 'B. Holm' please.

I will post a photo within the next few days.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium crumenatum
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:45

P G Hieke wrote:
> Most likely it is the drop in temperature that triggers the flowering.
> However, how many days are there between the drop in temperature
> and the opening of the flowers. The only real drop in temperature
> I recorded, was in September and that works out to 99 days. There
> was one day when the day-temperature was 10 degrees lower than
> on average.
> I have seen it flowering in Kuala Lumpur during the WOC in 2002.
> Unfortunately they were all a bit high up on the trees and could not
> be seen that closely.
> Thanks everybody who responded.
> Kind regards
> Peter from Bloubergstrand
>
It suddenly strikes me that perhaps we are looking at this temperature
drop thing the wrong way, when we talk about the number of days after
the temperature dropped. After all, the plants have no way of telling
how long a drop in temperature will last; so maybe one should look at
the number of days from when the temperature came back up again?

/jan

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Odontoglossum name.
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:25

As his plants had American awards I guess he is american. He registered 7 oncid type plants between 1983 and 1995 and maybe our American contributors will know of him.
Regards

Roger Grier wrote:

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for all of the excellent information which I will write on the label. Do you possibly know any details on 'B. Holm' please.

I will post a photo within the next few days.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Dendrobium crumenatum
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:05

I grow Dendrobium crumenatum on a dead tree stump
about 4 feet off the ground and in full sun. It grows
very well and produces flowers with ease. I have
watched it for years and rain seems to be a trigger.
But I have noticed that when mine is in bloom so are
all the others in town (at least the ones that I
noticed). Some are up in shady trees, some in slat
houses and some are in plastic green houses. This
would mean they were growing in different light,
temperatures and water. I am not so concerned with
makes them flower as much as the fact that they bloom
very well in my garden. Remember that I can't grow
tulips it's location, location, localocation.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Location.
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:00

Hi 'JNS',

You could not be more correct, and I wish newcomers, and 'Old Hands' to the Orchid World would remember just what you said.

If 'Mother nature' was your teacher then she would give you a 'Star'.

A nice saying from my area goes like this 'A compost is only that what stops the plant from fallin' over'.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: For Jean
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:50

Just wanted to let you know that there is an error in your January calendar.
It appears you have missed the 13th! Just found out as I was trying to
schedule a meeting for Thurs Jan 20th that the 20th is a Friday.
Happy New Year
Sharon

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From: James H
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium Thongchai Gold
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:05

I have had this orchid for about 3 years and it has never bloomed for me, it
did get a bad case of root rot when i first got it but i saved it and the
newest cane is about 10X the size of the first one but it just wont bloom, i
feed it heavily in spring through summer then just water in the fall then no
water all winter,
my grow room is not heated except by the room next to it so the temps get
low in the winter which causes most of my orchids to bloom around christmas
especially my phals.
i searched the net for a long time and could not find any growing info on
this orchid just people who wanted to sell it to me.
this is my first go at a dendrobium other than kinganium (hasnt bloomed yet
either but i only just found out how to care for it)
if anyone can send me a link to a site that explains flowering instructions
for thongchai please help me out.
James

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From: Jana Zommer
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Odontoglossum name.
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:20

Hi all,
as i know − he is german (I have the nephew of the Odontioda − Oncidium von Holm, and when i tryed to find the originator of this hybrid, the last i`ve got was the address of german orchid society where Mr. von Holm is the member of).
regards,
Jana

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From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: calendar
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:50

Thank you so much Sharon and Ronbow for pointing out the error in my Jan page of the calendar. Owww my face is so red! Sorry about that especially to those who have already printed it out. I have rectified it now and there is now a Friday 13th now! Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen!lol Jean

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From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Geoff
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:10

Geoff or any other member could you let me have the url of Geoff's orchid site please. The link on my own isn't connecting and I would like to insert the current one. Thank you − Jean

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: Geoff
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:15

In his message dated 21 December Geoff said that Waitrose have junked the
site and he is planning a new one. Probably it isn't ready yet.

--

Tricia

Why is the third hand on the watch called second hand?

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Dendrobium crumenatum
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:45

> I grow Dendrobium crumenatum on a dead tree stump
> about 4 feet off the ground and in full sun. It grows
> very well and produces flowers with ease. I have
> watched it for years and rain seems to be a trigger.

I don't think that it is the water that triggers the flowering,
but the lower temperature.

> But I have noticed that when mine is in bloom so are
> all the others in town (at least the ones that I
> noticed). Some are up in shady trees, some in slat
> houses and some are in plastic green houses. This
> would mean they were growing in different light,
> temperatures and water.
That is right, but all would be affected by the lower temperature
irrespective of where they grow. This is the same in Malaysia they
all bloom at the same time in a certain area. However the difference
between Malaysia and Florida is the number of sunshine hours. In
Florida there is more sunshine and less rain and in Malaysia the
opposite is the norm and Dendrobium crumenatum is a native of
Malaysia, so it is more suited to rain and less sunshine.
Also, it is not a lower temperature at night that triggers the flowering,
but a lower temperature during the daytime caused by a thunderstorm
and not by normal rain which falls every day.

> it's location, location, localocation.

Yes, very very true.

Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Dendrobium crumenatum
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:55

> It suddenly strikes me that perhaps we are looking at this temperature
> drop thing the wrong way, when we talk about the number of days after
> the temperature dropped. After all, the plants have no way of telling
> how long a drop in temperature will last; so maybe one should look at
> the number of days from when the temperature came back up again?
>
> /jan

No, this is not the case, as the temperature comes back almost instantly.
A thunderstorm is a fairly short affair, the temperature drops and as soon
as it's over the temperature shoots up again.

I'm going to try this out as soon as we get a rainy day. I'll take the plant
out of the GH and hang it into the rain with the lower temperature and
then back into the GH and see what happens.

Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Odontoglossum name.
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:30

Hi there,

Just as Jana, I also have the Oncidium Von Holm. I
tried to get some info on the plant's parentage, and I
contacted the suppliers (some Chamaleon orchidee in
Holland). The only response I got was that the parents
were Onc. ornithorhynchum x botanica. I tried to find
info on this 'botanica' plant, but the only thing the
web came up with was miltonia botanica.

I don't know much, but surely the plant does not look
like a hybrid between an oncidium and a miltonia...
but that is just me!

Cheers,

Francis.

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From: pop3.ukonline.co.uk
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Orchid World
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:15

Its Thursday , and Barbados − the first and last of the eight islands on our cruise.
Went to Orchid World this morning − its now well established on the tourist route ; all the island tours go there, and it is signposted ; unlike my first visit 6 (?) years ago, when I had to tell the taxi driver approximately where I thought it was, and we cruised around until we found it. Must be a nice little earner, at nine US dollars a head for admission...
They have developed it a lot since my last visit − 3 (?) years ago , but regrettably the standard of culture has gone way down . They used to have good Oncidium hybrids and good cattleyas ; apart from a few Sharry Baby's doing well, what was left was rubbish ; yellow Oncids − of the kind grown for cutflowers , and as seen in our Garden Centres , with miserable spikes of just half a dozen flowers , none of them multi-growth; not many cattleyas left alive, and those in flower so scruffy as to be not worth photographing.

And the Vandas − leggy, bare stems for a foot or even 2 feet , and a few leaves at the top. Flowers, yes , but of the spikes seen on a few hundred plants, and those developing on some plants out of a few thousand more ( yes , literally, several thousand Vandas) not o0ne single plant waas double spiked. There were no plants with more than a few flowers − the sort of thing I get in the winter if we have a had a long grey sunless spell whilst the buds developed.
Clearly they are still buying , many plants had Kultana's familiar labels on , quite fresh , and those were far and away the best plants to be seen.
Green root tips- yes, a few on the recently arrived plants, but none at all on the others.
I think the problem is that they have stopped watering them . I saw no sign of any tap, hose or spray − and remember that most of these plants are in full sun − temperature this morning on the ship was 25 degrees C at 8 am ,31 degrees when we got back at lunch-time.
You can grow vandas bare root tied to a wire fence , no compost,no basket, no wood at at all, but I guess they need watering at least once a day , and I can't believe that they would not leave the hoses run out behind the plants − inaccessible for visitors to fall over, unless they had some kinf of sprinkler or stand-pipe system − which was not in evidence. I remember that on my last visit, a gardener was watering the plants with a hose and sprinkler , and whenb I asked her about it, she said that she diod that all day , just going around the collection − today I saw 5 gardeners, all sitting in the shade, having a good old chat....

All very sad.

I did take some pics, and will post a few when at home, but i know I have only a few minutes credit left on my time-plan so probably not enough.

Later went to Andromeda Gardens on the opposite side of the island to Bridgetown − superb tropical plants including a few Vandas , all double spiked, growing into multi-growth plants too ...I even saw a red form of Plumbago − there's a novelty !

Back home on Saturday

Geoff

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From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Dendrobium Thongchai Gold
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:00

Hi James

I bought a flask of Dendrobium Thongchai Gold in Thailand a few years ago and they were the slowest growing Dens I have ever had. I did manage to flower some eventually, but the result was not worth the effort.

Perhaps I got the runts of the litter or something. I have bought many Den flasks from Thailand and this was the worst.

That's not to say that yours would necessarily be the same. You should try to keep it much warmer than you are, they really don't like cold weather. And don't relate it to your Den kingianum either. They are two very different animals. And they don't flower with the Phals either. (At least mine don't. The Intermediate Dens flower in the autumn/winter and the Phals in spring/summer)

Good luck with it anyway

Tony

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: hot house really help Cats grow faster?
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:05

Hi all,

I have recently been recomended to create a room made of plastic in my shdecloth greenhouse, so that I can have a hot house. So that the catleyas I have will grow faster. The people that recomended this to me are very experienced. My cats are growing happily but slowly.

Will a warmer temp really speed things up?

Jim

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From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Odontoglossum name.
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:25

Hello Jana, Rocky and Dennis,

Jana is on the right way with her investigations regarding B. Holm.
Indeed he is a German breeder / gardener − Burkhard Holm.
If you are interested in contacting him − here are the dates therefore.
Burkhard Holm
Alte Bahn 206
47551 Bedburg-Hau Louisendorf
Germany
Tel.: +49 2824 3167
Fax.: +49 2824 3207
e-mail: orchideen-holm@t-online.de

His nursery offers a great choice of natural species and hybrids (e.g.
Phalaenopsis, Odontoglossum, Miltonia and Zygopetalum) as well as
Tillandsias
I hope this helps.

Best regards from Germany, Rudolf

Jana Zommer wrote:

Hi all,
as i know − he is german (I have the nephew of the Odontioda − Oncidium
von Holm, and when i tryed to find the originator of this hybrid, the
last i`ve got was the address of german orchid society where Mr. von
Holm is the member of).
regards,
Jana

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From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Tricia
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:00

Thank you Tricia. Yes I think that might be the case as I did an Internet search and found a site of Geoff's but only some of the items were linking and they seemed to be older entries. Jean

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Odontoglossum Violetta von Holm
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:05

A while ago I asked about membership of this group and was advised that it was 154 and the response to Ron's question shows how diverse we are. In answer to the question Geoff responded just after me. BUT he is on a cruise in the West Indies. Then Jana responded from Russia advisng that B. Holm (the registrant of the hybrid) belonged to a German Orchid Society. I think that is fantastic but I'm nearing the sell by date and not very modern. All we need is for a German contributor to advise the Society.
By the way if you go to www.larsen-twins.dk/orcodont.html you can see pictures of this hybrid.
Regards

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Cattleyas.
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:35

Hello Jim,

First of all, where are you in this planet of ours? You talked of a shadecloth house!!!

Cattleyas.....one of my favourite orchids, and I have quite a few of them.

I do not like the information that you were given, as it says nothing about the actual temperature/moisture/feeding.

Mine here in a glasshouse in southern England get a lowest winter night temperature of around 57/58 degrees Fahrenheit. Then in the summer during the day the temperature flies up to the low nineties, or even higher on some rare occasions.

As long as my Catts get plenty of moisture and feed when they are in the growing stage I have no problem with them.

Hope this may help, and prompt other members to tell about their Cattleyas.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Odontoglossum name.
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:25

Ron, the circle is complete except for you contacting B. Holm.
Regards

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From: James H
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium Thongchai Gold
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:40

Mine grow very fast each year and are getting alot bigger than they used to
be, with very fat canes they just never fully mature and the top leaf is
always only partly finished opening (it never looks like the rest) but it
has tonnes of roots and grows well otherwise.

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