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December 1—7

From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dedrobiums
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:15

HI Geoff: Gratefull Tricia was able to post your pics. This is my first year for Kingianums and was wondering if the flower stems always come just from the top of the canes between the leaves? My new growths have things that look like they could turn into buds or keikies on either side of the psbulbs. Will it flower from these or only make keikies there? Have you been keeping the kingie cold and totally dry all fall? I do have a little purple nub on the tops of a couple of leafless canes that may be flowers or keikies. Several of the side buds have turned into keikies, but I am surely hoping some will be flowers!
Cheers
Sharon

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Problem with my pics...
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:30

My apologies to all . I don't know what went wrong . I have a standard
procedure which I had followed − before sending this I followed it again,
and there seems o be a corruption somewhere ( I am following this up with
Adobe ) but in the meantime I have managed to make files which seem to work
OK − please let me know if they don't.

Geoffrey Hands

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: I am having nproblems am I not
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:40

Sorry − things really are going pear-shaped. I see that I have sent two
copies of the same file, so no close-up.

Will try again.

Geoff

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Defdrobiums
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:45

Thankyou Tricia, For Geoff thankyou also − I've had a Dendrobium for 6 years
with no name but I think you have named it for me. Mine flowers in Febuary
normally so I'll save the picture till then. Regards

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: The close-up picture − especially for Tricia's comments
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:50

These are two copies of the same file − one simply having the file name
changed , then re-saved again as jpg.

I find that both will open for me in Windows Picture and Fax-=viewer, but
only the second one will open in Photoshop.

Well , that's fairly obvious that the format is the problem, and the jpg
version ( although produced in Photoshop- which is where I do all my imaging
)- is somehow incompatible with the first pic but not the second.

Looks like a corruption in the PS programme. So I'll re-istall later and see
if that works.

Geoff

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:30

For some ecological reason zinc is now a no-no. Aluminium (alumium for those across the water) and copper and scribers are avaible from that web site. Regards

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From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: photos
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:45

If you get photos you can't open try this − right click and choose 'open
with' and then scroll until you find your photographic program whatever it
is and click it. This often works. It did for me yesterday with Geoff's. I
chose Photoshop to open it with and it worked. Jean

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels − follow-up
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:00

Since my request for info on zinc labels to use graphite pencil on, it occurs to me that I did once reasonably successfully experiment with laminated (encapsulated) card labels printed on a laser printer. The 'ink' powder is carbon-based and therefore doesn't fade but if a sheet is laminated and then cut up. the label allows moisture in from the cut edges. Cutting the labels from the card and then laminating is a fiddling labour of love but if you have a hot laminator and a laser printer it might be worth experimenting. The result is fairly rigid labels which are physically durable if not forced too hard into knobbly compost. This would solve Geoff''s home-brewed software problems and provide the ultimate freedom with format and record-keeping.
I can't vouch for the stability of black ink-jet ink used in this way though − can anyone?
For real permanence,I still think it's a case of "Graphite rules" − OK?
John Stanley

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Dedrobiums
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:20

It is the same nodes which produce keikis or flowers, depending on culture.

Dry ? No . They were outside for 2 months, getting watered only by the
weather − but we had a lot of rain in one that period − some 150mm ( 6
inches) , and temperatures down to about 5 or 6 degrees C.!

Geoff.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:25

They do sell them at Chelsea, Hampton Court etc ; and they too are horribly
expensive, and quite difficult to write upon.

I bought a bag-full at a a lot of cost , swearing that every tree, shrub and
patch of bulbs in my new garden would be labelled „ none have been done. I
don‹t want to live in a museum after all.

Geoff.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Killing time!
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:10

Hi all,

Now that the weather has turned much milder, I have watered all of my plants and given my two greenhouses a good look over. I am very pleased with how things look especially the Phalaenopsis which are almost all in spike of various lengths.

So, what else to do on a rainy afternoon with a gale blowing???

Try out my new camera, so here are a couple of shots.

My camera is a Canon Ixus 55. Purchased especially so that it will fit in my pocket, and I must say that I am very impressed with it so far.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:10

Why don't you use the old school way of a black grease pencil (china marker) on plastic sticks (glue two together for extra strength and life.
sharon

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:35

John. I know very well the grey metal labels for I have used them for many years. Written on with a pencil they lasted for ever. Curiously, a couple of months ago whilst digging and sieving leaf mould I came across one of these labels with a name of a Begonia on it, which I have not grown since the early sixties and it was in near perfect condition even after being buried for so long.
I used to buy these labels from a little market shop which closed down many years ago and never found another supplier until recently.They are now know as Alitags, and can be obtained from:- Andrew Grace, Borne Lane, Much Hadham,Hertfordshire,SG10 6ER. 0129 842865. or look on www.alitags.com. They are available in various sizes, are a bit expensive but last forever.

I have a Dymo electronic printer that prints on a adhesive plastic labels of about 5mm wide and which need to be put on to a normal label then into the pot, or whatever.However whilst they look very nice, they do not stay stuck to any label for very long, in the Orchid house sometimes only days
Ronbow.

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From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:25

Zinc is a heavy metal, and a long-time pollutant for the soil.
Silvio

> For some ecological reason zinc is now a no-no. Aluminium (alumium for
> those across the water) and copper and scribers are avaible from that web
> site. Regards

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:10

Do I detect a teeny bit of sarcasm here Sharon?
I mean, you can't write with very much precision with a greasy stick like a Chinagraph now can you?.
Besides − doubt that I'll gain any extra strength or life whatever I glue together . . . . .
John

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable Zn labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:30

Dennis
Zinc and environmental safety? Yeah, probably ; but is truly amazing that I may buy a hot-dip galvanised gate catch or galvanised staging, to be handled daily, yet probably not a label that might be handled no more than once! Aluminium is less good because it corrodes in blotches rather than in an even coat. Maybe copper is the answer in spite of the cost.
Oh,and I think you meant aluminum, Dennis, for our American friends .(Psst! Why not americum instead of americium though?)
John

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From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: tags
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:40

Thank you Ronbow for the url for aluminium tags etc. I had a look at the
site and like the look of them. I like the idea of copper ones too. In the
aluminium tags P8 is just right for my orchids and as there is a hole for
twine or some other thread by piecing a hole in plastic pots they should
stay put for ever. Jean

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] The close-up picture − especially for Tricia's comments
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:00

Geoff,
Excuse my jumping in here but, just for the record, Irfanview recognises the data file as a jpg file "with the wrong extension" and asks if I wish the extension to be corrected.
This is not an uncommon phenomenon for pictures from the web but I don't know of many other programs that recognise them for what they are − files with the wrong extension.
John S

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:05

Sharon, What are plastic sticks and where would they be obtained? Ronbow.

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From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:50

John you are too funny!

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:55

Yes, labels. I got fed up with the business of trying to keep them from
fading in the end, like everybody else, so I went for the ultimate
solution: I use plastic label, the cheap, but not too thin ones. Then I
use an electric 'pen', one of these things I believe hobbyists use for
burning lines or whatever on wood (?) and carefully melt a number on the
labels when I use them. The actual name I write in my big, black book
together with information on when and where I bought the plant etc.

This, incidentally, inspired me to keep a record of how things were
going for my plants, so I have a full service history for each − or used
to; I have been ill for much of the summer and haven't had the energy.

/jan

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From: jan
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] I am having nproblems am I not
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:55

Geoffrey Hands wrote:
> Sorry − things really are going pear-shaped. I see that I have sent two
> copies of the same file, so no close-up.
>
> Will try again.
>
>
It's the stars! Apparently Mercury is retrograding (whatever that is)
and it messes up everything to do with communication and electronics ;-)

Yes, I read my horoscopes − how else would I know how I feel today?

/jan

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Labels − help is at hand!
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:10

Mornin' all,

Can't do much this morning as the weather is awful, so I thought that I would tell you about the type of labels that I use.

Please have a look at the attachment.

These plastic double sided black labels are fabulous. I have had some of them hanging from plants/shrubs in my garden, open to the elements for many years..........no problem, as good as the day that they were written.

There are one sided black labels, but I prefer the double sided black because I can write the name of the plant on one side, and add any information that I want on the other side, hybrid parents, dates etc.

The labels come with a SCRIBE. A small plastic 'pen' with a sharp metal point, and it is very easy when you get used to it. It really is no problem.

I get them from a Garden Nursery in the heart of the New Forest.

They have a website. www.macpennys.co.uk

And an E-mail address office@macpennys.co.uk

Phone: 01425-672348

I did speak to them just this morning and the information is as follows:

Double sided labels, postage included are £4.00 for 50
£5.65 for 100
£29.50 for 1,000

They will take Bank Card details over the phone, or you can post a cheque. Or pay a visit.

These labels are very good, and look smart, so I will be using them for many years to come.

Give them a try, have a little bit of patience while you master the etching and you will no doubt be very pleased.

One tip that I can give you is this. When scribing the labels, I find it very helpful to rest on an old newspaper as this does 'give' to some extent, and I find this much better than scribing/writing them on a bone hard surface.

If you do have a go, please let me know what you think of them..........and NO, I do not get any reward from the Nursery..........it's just that they are damned good labels, and a very old fashioned nursery where you can enjoy a stroll around. No tea rooms, just plants, and their 'Office' is a dream!!!!

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Labels...
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:45

The problem with metal labels , is that it would then come back to my
writing, and that is not especially legible most of the time. I can write
clearly but usually do not. And without going into explanations or defences,
it is a fact that with the right kit including a PC keyboard, I can "write"
with perfect uniformity of style, size, etc − in a way which is simply
impossible if I am scribbling with pens , pencils , grease-sticks or
whatever.

Hence to make any substantial change that has to be the direction I want to
take. ( I'm also fed up with black ink "marker " pens which run dry when I
leave them in the greenhouse for a few days )

Geoff

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: The close-up picture − especially for Tricia's comments
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:50

Thanks John ; I had tried out a freeware " file extension finder"- and that
told me that the problem one was data file of a kind used in programming
instructions ! ( which I could not conceive as being likely ).

As I have said , or maybe it was how I ended up on a RPS ( Royal Photog.Soc)
forum where I aired the question, I could easily spend days on it, and it
all may have happened because I jogged the wrong key with my elbow ! So I'm
just shutting my eyes and hoping the problem will go away and not recur.

Geoff.

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From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Dendrobium
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:55

Here is some other Dendrobium which I bought as a cutting in Kuala Lumpur
3 years ago. It stands 1 metre tall with two inflorescences one with 30 flowers
and the ather with 29. It is Dendrobium lasianthera 'May River Red'.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Paphiopedilum compost.
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:00

Evenin' all,

For as long as I have been growing orchids, I have never been satisfied with type of composts/mediums that are on offer. I say this for one main reason, and that is that Paphs are known to be Epiphytical in some instances, [Colin Carter has a lovely slide of a huge mass of Paphs growing way up in a tree] and our collective friend Ian Plested has often recalled how he has seen Paphs offered for sale in Thailand, and the plants have had hardly any roots, "Not surprising" said Ian, as they had been RIPPED from the rock crevices where they were growing, so these were Lithophytes. Then there are those that do not like living in the dizzy heights.

I well remember visiting Wisley when a large new greenhouse was fitted out just for orchids, [sadly last time I saw it, it was stocked with cardboard boxes] and I was told that the Paphs were sending out roots some many feet long, just rambling along through the bark mixture.

I know I have spoken about this subject before, but after looking through a microscope at Paphs roots many times I am still waiting for a suitable compost to appear on the shelves.

I would hope that it would contain only items that were NON ROTTING, NON DECAYING, BUT SO FAR THEY HAVE NOT MATERIALISED.

Does anyone know if such a compost is out there? And most important, does it work? And have any of you used it?

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Durable labels
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:40

Jan, How I wish I had your dedication. I have intended to do that for 50
years and still have hopes. When I got my 1st computer I have visions of all
my plants, shrubs, bushes and pots nicely labelled and listed and filed
under "Garden records" ect. Ah well hope springs eternal does it not.
I hope that you now keep well and are able to carry on with your listings.
Ronbow.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:30

Your pics came out very washed out, but I took them into Photoshop, copied
them, combined the layers, then reduced opacity, and they are then quite
fab.
Must be an antelope type, I suppose.

Geoff.

P G Hieke wrote:

Here is some other Dendrobium which I bought as a cutting in Kuala Lumpur
3 years ago.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] thanks Rocky − and we have the technology
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:35

Many thanks for that Rocky. Maybe 11.46pm wouldn't have been the best time to 'phone but, this morning I ordered some.
This sounds like it'll solve my labelling but sadly, Geoff will have to carry on typing with his elbows to create that database!
As I type this, I am reminded of a Chinese poem,('ere we go, I hear you moan) incised very artistically on a scroll made from slats of bamboo which are connected, vaguely venetian blind-like.
My daughter sent it from Hong Kong and the interesting thing is that, when examined closely, the incisions are made up of ra matrix of 'drillings', clearly done under computer control, perhaps with a laser head. Obviously, more techy that arty! Somewhere out there is a fiendish Chinese label "printer", capable of doing exactly what Geoff wants . . . . but in Chinese . . . and probably costing money.
I attach photos of enough of it to show exactly what I mean! (AA-cell for scale) Would have made a good Goon Show story for those of us of the vintage to remember. ("Are you Ah Pong?". " Not until after seven o'clock") Who knows; someone in this forum may be already using one . . . . . .! Or there's E-bay! Ahhh soh. (forgive the political incorrectness)
John

Roger Grier wrote:

Mornin' all,

Can't do much this morning as the weather is awful, so I thought that I would tell you about the type of labels that I use.

These plastic double sided black labels are fabulous.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Geoff's Labels...You can't be serious Man! (I can)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:55

Geoff,
Just have a look at http://www.marking-metal.com/marking/laser-etcher-alternative.htm,
at first it looks to be PC-unfriendly but as you get near the end of the advert and read the metal etching stencils bit, it could be the answer to your stockpile of metal labels and the solution to your indexing of orchids. What the hell! We could all finish up with beautiful pots of labels, spoilt only by those green weeds.
Best wishes
John

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum compost.
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:40

Rocky, your quest for the life long Paph compost is
not that hard to get ( maybe ) Many japanese Paph
growers use volcanic rock in up to seven different
types in the one mix. The izes of the particles also
vary. Some growers do mix a little bark with it.
I am trying Phrags in Burnt Clay balls. The plants are
sitting in trays of water about 1" to 1 1/2" deep. The
roots are coming out of the drainage holes into the
water. So far, no signs of rot after 10 mths. If the
plants were not standing in water, I feel I would have
to water atleast every day in the summer and maybe
every other day in winter. If you look at some of the
Japanese web sites ( Dr. Tanaka ) for one or Dr.
Google ( or yahoo ) there are plenty of sites If I can
find the one with various mix formulas and results, I
will post it here for you.
One Taiwanese paph grower I have spoken with uses only
bark and has excellent results, he said he was also
trying coconut husk ( I forget the commercial name )
and it seems to be working well.
More info when I find it.
ROY.

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From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: For Rocky
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:20

Rocky, I hope the supplied link works at your end. As you can see it is a translated site thru Google. The info it contains could be useful. Its rather interesting anyway.
Roy

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www2.megax.ne.jp/ran3/orchid_base%2520test.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPaph%2BS%2BGratrix%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Dendrobium
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:55

Can we see your fab result, please, Geoff?

Ron

Geoffrey Hands wrote:

Your pics came out very washed out, but I took them into Photoshop, copied
them, combined the layers, then reduced opacity, and they are then quite
fab.
Must be an antelope type, I suppose.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: John and his labels.
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:20

Hi John,

I am sure that you will be pleased with the labels, and especially when you have mastered the art of scribing the I information on them. It really is quite simple, and I am now even very good at the letter O.

Yes, the Goon show, very happy memories. As I was a 'Gunner' in my National Service days, Spike was my hero, and I am just as mad as he was!!!!!!!!!!

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Paph composts.
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:25

Hello to Roy and Gordon,

Thank you both for the information regarding Paph composts.

The Japanese website is very interesting, and having once worked with a man who new a little of the Japanese language I did smile at some of the wording.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Dendrobium
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:30

Try this one...

Geoff.
Ronald Newstead wrote:

Can we see your fab result, please, Geoff?

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] For Rocky
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:30

Roy, Fascinating and interesting although I don't grow Paphs. Ronbow.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Geoff's Labels...You can't be serious Man! (I can)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:40

If I wanted to make labels for my 50 best plants this could well be the
answer John , but for my few thousand , I think not. Several minutes per
label as far as I can see.

I had not seen this one before, but then- for this purpose- I have been
ignoring all the US ones which pop up.

I think I have found the answer in a Brother label-printer , but so far am
waiting for answers about the labels themselves. Its clear they do Vinyl
ones , but what is not clear is whether they are sufficiently rigid to be
use as plant labels alone, or whether they are self-adhesive and I need to
stick them on an existing label ( and how good is the sticky ? ) and whilst
the machine ad says it "accepts type. labels" and lists three types, my
e-mail asking where I could find these on the site only led to me to
different types. I'll ring them when I am next on the case in office hours.

( So inconvenient that these internet traders don't seem to be at their
desks at 10.30 pm and still not there at 5.30am . The world is going to the
dogs since I retired.)

Geoff.

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: A Brother for Geoff
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:25

Geoff,
We have a Brother label printer that produces jet-black letters on white tape. A backing is peeled off its adhesive and the labels are then fixed to a smooth surface such as a plastic label (they have no inherent rigidity). The result is beautiful in appearance, there is even the option of taxonomically correct italics and the characters can be sized. It is also possible to have two lines of characters on a label. The tape sticks like the proverbial to a shovel and we have had no problems of it separating over 15-18 months, even when regularly wetted. I don't know how the characters are produced but I imagine it is an electronic process to the tape. That's all the good news.

The less good news is that, although the labels are still legible, the characters have gone a distinctly pale sepia and I'd put money on them fading to illegibility in another 12 months. I guess UV is the problem since those that have spent their life in the shade are less affecetd. Once a name is typed into the machine, several repeat copies can be made but there is no memory to store frequently needed names. I don't know if there are other models but ours can't be linked to a computer so you couldn't simply print off names from a database. I learned about the machine through my old University department where they use on for numbering items of equipment like monitors, keyboards, microscopes etc. Of course, being indoors and seldom facing a window, they seem to last OK. I recall that it cost about £20 and tapes that last for six months at our rate of use are about £5.

The machine is excellent for what it is intended for but it isn't ideal for plant labels in sunlight. It takes about 30-45 seconds to 'print', 'cut' and 'peel' each label. Better than minutes but still OTT for thousands!

I will happily send you a sample or several if you'll tell me your most urgent orchid names − (don't tell me; the labels have faded and you can't remember!)
John

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: fans
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:20

I am sorting out fans for my new house. I am using extrator fans to change the air and to reduce heating in summer. Does anyone use ceiling fans to stir the air? If so any advice would be great.

Andy

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From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Paphiopedilum compost.
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:45

Hello Rocky,

As I wrote here before I grow a number of Paphs indoor nearly all of
them natural species. I grow them successfully in an inorganic medium
since more than 3 years.
I use pure Seramis on a 2 cm thick drainage layer at the bottom of the
pot. Before use I put the Seramis in a sieve and wash away the dust and
the tiny particles under a tap water jet.
Before using that inorganic medium I had some failures in Paphs growing
because of different reasons.
Now I grow all my Paphs in Seramis also that ones that can grow
epiphytically in wilderness e.g. P. phillippinense, P. rothschildianum,
P. sanderianum and some others more.
In my eyes there are some important advantages:
- No decaying of the potting medium which releases uncontrolled amounts
of nutrients. Particularly Paphs don't like too high salt (nutrient)
concentration around their roots. Osmosis very soon reverses and the
roots will become dried up/rot.
- The plants ain't to be repotted in annual or two years rhythm becaurse
there is no compost decaying. Every repotting disturbs the plants
growing and for me there is one further advantage , I don't have to do
it (I am a lazybones regarding repotting). Repotting will be only
necessary when the pot becomes too small for the plant.
- The retentive nature of Seramis allows me a watering regime once per
11/2 weeks till once per fortnight. There is no spraying and nothing
else necessary.
So far I am pleased with the growing of my Paphs.
Paphs that are spiking are P. callosum, P. glaucophyllum, P. vietnamense
and P. micranthum. As soon as they will be in flower I will send a photo
to the list.
I had a look at the Japanese web site recommended by Roy. I don't have
such excellent picture series with attempts of different compost
mixtures what I have said comes from my experiences with orchids. But in
my eyes it doesn't make sense to mix inorganic and organic compounds in
a potting medium.

Best regards from Germany, Rudolf.

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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Labels
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:35

To John and Geoff.

Brush clear varnish over the attached label and your problem will be solved.
Gordon.

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] fans
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:50

In south Florida I have a 40 by 12 foot green house.
The top is clear carbonate and the sides are screen.
The extractor fan starts at 92 f and the three ceiling
fans run all year around. I have never had botritis
damage to the flowers. I know my conditions are very
different then yours. But I am more comfortable if I
see some movement in the plants.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] fans
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:25

Yes I do Andy.

I have used them , when I have had suitably shaped greenhouses, for years .
They are much the best for air movement − any in-line fan producing as
much would sound like a jet-plane taking off in the next door garden ( and I
have had complaints from neighbours in the past when using a few 12 inch
in-line fans ) .

As you know , they can be arranged to pull air down from above, or vice
versa. by reversing the mains connections. So warm air at the ridge is
brought down into circulation.

I have two 56 inch sweep fans, regularly spaced in my 35 foot long house,
and at full speed − they are on a potentiometer control for speed variation
, they will flutter the leaves in the far corners − just about. They hang
on stems about 30 inches long from clips fixed to the inside of the ridge.

Its obvious that they must be sufficiently high so as not to decapitate tall
visitors − and in my case they are over the central bench so there is no
risk . But they will do the same to any orchid incautiously lifted near them
- so make sure you have an easily accessible control for stopping them, when
handling plants.

They run 24hours a day, 365 days a year , of course. These present ones,
bought via the Internet as the cheapest I could find, have been running for
about 3 years when I was in Gloucestershire, and now getting on for 18
months here. I recall that I took the opportunity to put a few drops of
graphite oil into the bearings when I moved house.

Geoff.

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Dendrobium
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35

Thanks, Geoff.
Maybe I'll have another go at Photoshop.

Ron

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] fans
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:15

Andy,
Let me have your personal email address and I'll share our experiences with a ceiling fan for exactly that purpose. It may be a touch off topic for the forum and I must have already bored the pants off everyone (except for Sharon of course) with my label mania
Cheers
John

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: fans
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:10

I'm coming round to that way of thinking too. My new house is 6.5m x 4 m
and to stir the air with in line fans would certainly be very noisy. The
height to the ridge is over 3m so there is adequate room. Do you recall
Geoff where you got yours?

Andy

"jns tropic" wrote:

> In south Florida I have a 40 by 12 foot green house.
> The top is clear carbonate and the sides are screen.
> The extractor fan starts at 92 f and the three ceiling
> fans run all year around. I have never had botritis
> damage to the flowers. I know my conditions are very
> different then yours. But I am more comfortable if I
> see some movement in the plants.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: fans
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:45

No , I do not remember now. I did keep the address on my favourites list but
did not copy it successfully when switching computers. I do remember that a
lot of the ones on offer are rather "posh" affairs, intended for the living
room or boudoir , all brass, wood, and fancy finishes ; the more plain
industrial type are much cheaper, but need a bit of digging to find; I'd
suggest trying the big heating and ventilation supply stores rather than the
designer fashion stores

Geoff.

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From: "SKELLAM, Richard"
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: watering
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:00

On a previous e-mail I asked about recommended books − but perhaps I should have asked if Geoff Hands has written any books on Orchid cultivation. The reply to my uncertainty about watering was both useful and stimulating. It was useful in putting the problem into context, giving some practical measure to 'copious watering' and stimulating, in that it made me want to visit the wilds of Thailand.

Thanks to everybody for making me feel so welcome to Orchid talk and the useful practical advice.

I have now definitely decided where to place my greenhouse, not to insulate the floor, and to drop hints for a jaybird aquafog for Christmas (even if it will not arrive until later of course). The bone dry cattleyas have also been watered so hopefully they will be grateful too!

PS how do you view the pictures anyway − should they be attached to the e-mails?

Richard

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] AW: Paphiopedilum compost.
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:30

I don't see the advantage of mixing organic and inorganic composts either. I only grow a handful of paphs but they are all in pure perlite and stand permanently in water/feed. They all flower every year and I have no problems with them.

Andy

Rudolf Günnel wrote:

Hello Rocky,

...I had a look at the Japanese web site recommended by Roy. I don't have such excellent picture series with attempts of different compost mixtures what I have said comes from my experiences with orchids. But in my eyes it doesn't make sense to mix inorganic and organic compounds in a potting medium.

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From: TONY GARTHWAITE
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: fans
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:35

Please share with us as I'm sure there is a considerable cost saving to
be had in our 'cooler climes'!
I've thought about re-cycling from the top of the greenhouse to the
floor and distributing along a sparge pipe, for years but never seem to
find the time to get a trial done! Maybe this is the boost I need?!

Tony

"John Stanley" wrote:

Andy,
Let me have your personal email address and I'll share our experiences
with aceiling fan for exactly that purpose. It may be a touch off topic
for the forum and I must have already bored the pants off everyone
(except for Sharon of course) with my label mania
Cheers
John

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From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: fans
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:30

I ahve ordered a fairly basic looking one from Lighting Direct − at about a
third the price of those ghastly chromique things. I shall report further
in due course.

Andy

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: fans
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:40

I bought my fans at a big box store (Home Depot).
They had 30 or 40 to choose from. Two were for
outdoor patios. Mine cost less then $70 per fan.
Stay on the cheap side, the fancy ones break down just
as fast as the cheap ones. But on the other hand my
exhaust fan is a commercial grade, good for animal
barns. All of them are are over 11 years old except
one ceiling fan was replaced after 8 years.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Books
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:45

Beginners Guide to Orchids − 2003 − D & S Books Ltd. ISBN
1-856058-31-X

You might possibly get a copy from the publishers ( was £11.99 when
published) , they used to be at enquiries@dsbooks.fsnet.co.uk I don't know
whether that address will still work as they were talking about getting
their own server.

The last address I have was D&S Books Ltd

Kerswell, Parkham Ash, Bideford, Devon EX39 5PR.

I last heard from them at the beginning of the year when they wanted me to
do an update of a photography book I did after the orchid book , but it
rather faded away when I started talking terms , we had rather different
views of what it was worth based on my experiences in the first books I did
for them , and our conversations ended with them saying they would be in
touch later for a brand new (photo) book where the ms has to be delivered
by Xmas 2006 , but since I have not heard any more, maybe they have written
me off.

I guess it depends on whether they can find someone else to do the same
thing and who does not yet understand that even a 5 figure sum is not very
high pay for an awful lot of work in a technical book- and it was four
figures they were offering me , which worked out at a rate rather less than
paid to the girls at the super-market check-out, I reckon..

At the time of our last conversations they had a few boxes of the orchid
book unsold , I asked for a box ( to be charged to my account ) , but never
got it .

The books were not sold through the high street booksellers ( to my regret
, but an author has no control over that ) but only through Garden Centres
and other outlets , Tesco and Matalan in some cases.

Geoffrey Hands

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From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: fans
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:05

Hi Tony,
As it turned out, most of my comments on roof/ceiling fans have been
repeated by others; avoidance of corrosive materials, plastic rather than
wooden blades, watch the wiring which isn't designed for damp environments,
might be added. However, it is interesting that you mention redistribution
of warm air via a pipe.

As I explained to Andy, I was once inspired by a system at Chester
Zoological Gardens tropical house where they once had a system installed
that consisted of largish diameter (abou 40 cm) vertical open ended pipes
with fans in the top. The convected hot air was blown down the pipes to near
floor level. In one very cold winter in the ?late seventies, I rigged up a
similar but smaller scale system in (dare I say!) our livivng room. The
down-pipe was made from taped poly-bags each with its bottom seam cut off.
The bags were then Sellotaped together and an old dentist's fan with a wire
guard was fitted to the top. We jokingly referred to the 20cm pipe as our
elephant's trunk and it worked very well in redistributing the
convection-layered air. I am sure it would work well in a greenhouse
environment as well but until Andy's request I had forgotten all about it.
If you have a spare fan that's not too big, I reckon you could knock up a
trial system in about half an hour.

Now; what's a sparge pipe I need to ask? (if not spare pipe with a silent
'g'!!).

John

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Mike Bowden.
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:05

Hi Geoff,

Sorry about the delay in answering, but other things cropped up.

Mike Bowden..........I did E-mail him, but all has gone very quiet.?????

His E-mail address is: bodenorchids@hotmail.co.uk

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Stone/rock chippings.
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:10

Hello Silvio,

Sorry for the delay in answering but other things cropped up.

About your thinking that the roots may get crushed. The answer is no, as the stones just rest upon each other, and there is enough room for the roots to grow down in the spaces.

I am not sure what you meant by saying that the rocks were not porous enough to let the water and nutrients through. Did you mean that they should be very porous so as to take in water and food? The rocks that I use are not porous, and they do not have to absorb any moisture or food. The roots take up what they want, the rocks are there just as a support, very much like in nature.

I hope that answers your questions, but if not please ask again as that is what makes it interesting.

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: bark
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:25

Does any member know a supplier (preferable with website facilites) of
really good bark − for orchids obviously -not for the garden? I use various
mixed − yes Rocky I do use your method of stones and stone chippings etc.
but I like to grow some in bark too and am fast running out of it. − Thanks
in advance for any help. Jean

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From: "Girdlestone, Paul \(JUS\)"
To: digest@orchid-talk.co.uk
Subject: Geoffrey Hands' Book
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:30

Geoffrey Hand's book has just appeared on the shelves of the most
reputable book seller here in Winnipeg, Canada. The book looks lovely,
and I intend to buy it.

Paul Girdlestone

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From: Antonio Ariza
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] bark
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:55

I bought bark from Ratcliff Orchids several times in the past (70 litre
bags each of coarse and medium bark, at around 15 pounds per bag) and
was very happy with what they sold me. I don't know how much they would
charge for delivering it though (or if they would deliver such huge bags
at all), as I collected them at the Orchid Fair that is held every April
at the Glasgow Botanic Gardens. I bought the last couple of bags 3 years
ago and I still have some left (but then again, my orchid collection is
relatively small compared to that of some of the people on this list).

Regards

Tony

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