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From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] New Paph.
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:15

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] New Paph.
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:40

From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: paph
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:05

That is one lovely Paph Rocky. I have one that looks very like it and Geoff was able to name it for me. I think it may be Anne Warne but Geoff will know. Jean

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] New Paph.
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:25

It‹sprobably a hybrid from what used to be called P.chambverlainianum , var
chamberlainianum. ( Old joke „ it was named by the great Frdk.Sanders for
one of his best customers „ Joe Chamberlain- Prime Minister (?) about the
turn of the century „ 19th-20th ! „ who had made his money out of mass
producing wood screws „ (Guest Keen and Nettlefolds „ GKN is the modern
successor of that business) and the twisted petals are a reference to his
moustache. He was said to have a fresh orchid sent up to London, by train „
from Highbury ( Birmingham) every day, for the button hole of his tail-coat
„ Highbury was his estate, and he had I think 19 or 20 orchid houses , one
for each kind of orchid he grew „ the Brazilkian Cattleya house, the Disa
house, and so onŶ Sanders and Chamberlain hated each other „ but needed each
otherŶ

Nowadays known much more prosaically as liemanium or maybe victoria-regina „
they keep messing about with this group and there is an almost continuous
spectrum between several of the ›distinct“ soecies which Cribb describes „
just try his keys „ you can get two answers depending on whether you have
grown broad leaves or narrow ones , and I know that it depends on the light,
how wide they are !

The dorsal suggest that it is a hybrid, and the staminode makes it certain „
in my opinion.

From: "Girdlestone, Paul $JUS$"
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Jay Pfahl's Internet Orchid Species Photo Encyclopedia
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:25

I note that some other members appreciate Jay Pfahl's Internet Orchid
Species Photo Encyclopedia. I was at his site and I noticed that he
describes quite a bit of damage as a result of Hurricaine Wilma. Here
is what he has to say:
Hurricane Wilma Report! First off, My wife and children are fine and we
still have a roof over our heads, and basically we lost only some of our
furniture. Yesterday I ripped out all the walls in the house to 3' high
so as to dry out the interior of the walls and get rid of all the wet
insulation. Now to the really bad part. I have lost most all my personal
orchids, as well as the ones I sell on ebay
due to
saltwater flooding! The ebay plant sales have been suppling cash to
operate the site and buy books. I put them on the floor in my living
room so they would not get wind damage, but we had 13" of seawater in
the house from
the tidal surge. The plants with clay pots fortunately did not float so
the medium stayed in as well as the tags but it meant that the pots were
fully submerged for the duration of the event. We saved most all the
important things and life is getting back to normal. The major problem
is now funding the site, until some of the plants recover. For the last
few years I sold orchids on ebay to pay for the internet hosting of this
site and reference books to make this site as complete as it is. This
year alone I bought on ebay over $2000.00 in old books. In the past I
had occasionally asked for donations to fund the site and it seems that
we are back to that system. Please send any amount to PAYPAL: PAY TO
jfal@sprynet.com Or by Snail Mail to:
IOSPE
c/o Jay Pfahl/Neptune Designs

From: "SKELLAM, Richard"
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Message format
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:30

It looks as if I am not the only one, as my last issue of Orchid talk
digest demonstrated a whole variety of indentations!
It may not of course look the same to every user. The idea of a standard
sounds good but unless we are very careful, will become applied to all
of our correspondence, which may not suit elsewhere.

Anyway I have made some changes and this is by means of a test − I am
sure you will soon let me know how you receive it

Thanks also for all of the book suggestions − I have ordered a copy of
"Dendrobium and Its Relatives ~P. S. Lavarack, et al
Timber Press" from Roger Bowden of Plants Plus.,( Unfortunately he had
sold his last copy of the Schelpe and Stewart book, but hopefully will
get another sometime.)

I did find a useful article on dendrobiums by J Plested in the OSGB
magazine. It is proposed that many growers kill Dendrobiums by too
severe a rest. I think this may be very true in my case. As a newcomer
(who perhaps reads too much!) I am so alarmed by repeated warnings about
over watering, that I think I maybe under watering everything and
stopping them from growing, sometimes permanently! My next step of
course will be to kill them the opposite way, by over watering. Finding
"what works for me" is clearly the ultimate answer, but not so easy to
do. But then that all part of the fun, isn't it? (Why is orchid growing
so addictive?)

From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] New Paph.
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:15

I disagree with Geoff‹s opinion one of the other parent might be a
species outside the subgenus Cochlopetalum. I see only influences of
members of this subgenus (Paph. chamberlainianum, Paph. glaucophyllum,
Paph. liemianum, Paph. primulinum).
You can‹t expect to get a natural species in a supermarket like Asda so
to purchase a hybrid is more likely.
The most sold hybrid looking like yours is Paph. Pinocchio (Paph
glaucophyllum x Paph primulinum) and in my eyes it‹s it.
I agree with Gordon and Francis who both said the same.
Now you are a proud owner of both Paph. Pinocchio forms the regular
coloured one and pale/yellowish one.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Message format
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:35

I think I maybe under watering everything and stopping them from growing,
sometimes permanently! My next step of course will be to kill them the
opposite way,

This is of the course the path which most of us followed , at the start of
our orchid-growing. In fact if you have not been to the wilds and seen
orchids − especially in the growing season, it is difficult to comprehend
just how wet they are in the rainy season , in say Thailand. 3 or 4 inches
of rain at a time, and maybe every 2-3 days , makes a plant very , very wet.

And then you read that no rain falls for 8 months , its "the dry season".
When you get there, you find that there is often a shower. "no rain"
means relatively speaking ! Even in the driest months, the normal average
may be 2 inches !. And in the mountains, even when there is no actual rain,
there is very likely a drenching dew most nights.

And if in doubt about this, go and look at the rivers running down from the
hills. What keeps them going if it never rains ? Even when the ground is
sodden, it has to drain away if not renewed − that was what struck me when I
first there in the dry season, and supposedly it had not rained for 3 months
- why the waterfall I said ? I guess they use the word rain as a synonym for
what we call a cloudburst. A normal shower does not count !. In fact on my
second visit, supposedly 4 months into the dry season, there was a heavy
shower on my very first day − again ramming home the lesson.

In cultivation, new roots or extending growths means the need for water . A
completed grpowth with no activity means a need for less − but not none at
all. I am watering my cattleyas every month just now , but every week in the
summer when in full growth .my Vandas still get sprayed every week and
dipped every few weeks now, but sprayed or drenched every time I can manage
it − even every day − in July. Learning what ypour plants need in your
circumstances − almost certainly different from what mine need , is what
makes it so fascinating.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Several.
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:05

Geoff's latest E-mail was a joy to read. I am sure that we have all trodden that certain path. The information that he gave is a very good guide to beginners and old hands alike.

Richard, your E-mail came through perfectly. Looks like you have done the correct alterations.

Last but by no means least. A little bird told me that the Newbury Show was still going on, but the 'Orchid Tent' was not. I was told that because there were so many traders looking to sell their plants, that some of them made no profit at all and so they would not be back!!!!! I did not think that I was told the complete story, and I would like to hear more as it would be a great loss if the 'Orchid Tent' did not make a come back.

From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: format
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:45

It came through clear and with no indentations Richard. It can be a nuisance having to alter it for other mail but we an now read it normally without having to skip through the = *
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: When to water, and when not to water, that is the question.
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:10

The answer to the 'Subject' is not so difficult as it may seem. Let us assume that an orchid such as a Phalaenopsis is growing in a clear see through plastic pot.

The roots take on an apple green colour, and that is because THE WHOLE OF THE ROOT IS FULL OF MOISTURE/FOOD.

Now we will describe what an orchid root looks like CROSS SECTION. Just like a leg of lamb. This way just about everyone will know what I am describing. An orchid root has a tough central core, just like the bone in the leg of lamb. The central core is surrounded by the area which STORES the moisture/food. Just like the meat/muscle in the leg of lamb. Then the whole thing is protected by the outer SKIN, in both the orchid and the leg of lamb.

When the skin of the orchid root dries out it will turn a greyish white colour, BUT ONLY THE SKIN DRIES OUT AT THIS POINT. The inner section is still full of moisture/food. Just press a root between finger and thumb and you will see what I mean.

The whole structure is HONEYCOMBED, so do not clog it with any 'Soup' or any other tiny particles.

If you take a look at shall we say Phalaenopsis and Vandas, you will see how large their roots are and so will store much water, and having no psuedobulbs they are virtually always growing. On the other hand, look at the roots of shall we say an Odontoglossum and the similar types of Oncidiums. Their roots are by no means as large as the previous two, and are about as thick as pencil lead, so, they cannot store so much water. No problem. They just need a little drop of moisture every day or so, depending on the compost of course and how much moisture it will hold.

To hopefully make matters sound much easier Richard, when I water my plants, I tell myself that I am just filling up the roots.

From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Newbury
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:15

As far as I know the Newbury Orchid Show has folded for two reasons. !) The Newbury Garden And Leisure Show was cancelled by the organisers − The Newbury Agricultural Show Committee for reasons best known to themselves.
2.) The main drivers of the show − Don Smallman and Colin Howe are getting on in years and did not want any more hassle.
As there was a world wide awaiting list from traders to be invited to the show I do not believe the traders lost money.
The last I heard was that negotiations were contiuing for the orchid show to be continued in the Portsmouth area at round about the same dates.
Regards

could you please tell me why half my emails from this site get hrd to read
first half is ok?
the rest have line right through?thanks i a
tom

I disagree with Geoffspecies outside the subgenus Cochlopetalum. I see only
influences of...

From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Several.
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:45

Yes, Roger, I agree with you regarding the sad news about the disappearance
of the orchid marquee at Newbury, particularly as Betty says that it is the
orchid show that she most enjoys visiting.

Last but by no means least. A little bird told me that the Newbury Show was
still going on, but the 'Orchid Tent' was not. I was told that because
there were so many traders looking to sell their plants, that some of them
made no profit at all and so they would not be back!!!!! I did not think
that I was told the complete story, and I would like to hear more as it
would be a great loss if the 'Orchid Tent' did not make a come back.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: hard to read
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:50

I've looked at the HTML attachment of Rudolf's original message and it
appears to have been written using Microsoft Word 10. I have never before
seen such bloated code and I suspect your system got severe indigestion!

The code on your HTML attachment is much shorter but a command has been
inserted to 'strike through' the text starting with the word species. Not
much I can do about it I'm afraid, except to say that perhaps this is a
good illustration of why I prefer subscribers to use plain text :-)

In case you were wondering, my email software doesn't produce or display
messages in HTML...

From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: hard to read
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:30

it is generally advisable not to use html in emails: besides making them
unnecessarily heavy, it opens the door to potential malicious code, like
trojans or viruses.

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Name please
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:50

Does anyone know the hybrid name for the following masdevallia cross which I have been able to acquire a seedling of?
Gordon.

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: Cymbidiums can flower in Miami
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:30

Most people here in South Florida think it is not
practicle to go Cymbidiums. The standard forms might
grow here, but will not flower. Some of the minatures
will bloom very well. My Piki will bloom if I control
the thrips. The color will wash out when the weather
is hot. But this week it's cold (in the 60's) and the
flower color is very nice. The plant has three more
spikes. It grows in full sun.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Newbury Show.
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:45

The last I heard was that negotiations were continuing for the orchid show to be continued in the Portsmouth area at round about the same dates.

From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: various things
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:50

Hi everyone, a couple of things. Rocky thank you for confirming the way you
captured the illustration by using 'printscreen'. I have used this for
making thumbnail pictures in PaintShopPro so that I can use them as
pictorial links to webpages. We have our grandson staying at the moment so
I've been too busy to use the computer until this evening so I'll give it a
try later.
I recently ordered 24 orchids from the Italian nursery − 4 for me and
the rest for other members of our local society. I must say I'm absolutely
delighted with them. Each one is a very healthy and good size and at least a
half have one or more flower spikes. I know that the other members will be
delighted too so thanks to all who mentioned this Nursery. Rocky I think you
were the first. I'm quite sure we shall be ordering again before too long.
How odd the lines showing up in Rudolph's mail. I've never seen anything
quite like it. Tricia's explanation seems spot on. − Jean

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: Newbury Show.
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:40

The former 'Newbury Tent' will be at the Portsmouth and Southsea Show on 4,
5 and 6 August. Invitations are apparently being sent out shortly. At the
last Wessex meeting we were told that Wessex and Ratcliffes were heavily
involved in organising the move.

It is perhaps unfortunate that the date is so close to the BOGA show which
is usually on the August Bank Holiday weekend.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Newbury Show.
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:55

I am delighted to hear it − please keep us posted.
I will be happy to announce this at the next Bournemouth meeting ( next
month) to add to the publicity − there was much dismay last night when some
members heard for the frst timethat the previous show would be no more.

1 Subject: When to water, and when not to water, that is the question.
2 Subject: Newbury
3 Subject: hard to read
4 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Several.
5 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: hard to read
6 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: hard to read
7 Subject: Name please
8 Subject: Re: Cymbidiums can flower in Miami
9 Subject: Newbury Show.
10 Subject: various things
11 Subject: Re: Newbury Show.
12 Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Newbury Show.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk list
Subject: When to water, and when not to water, that is the question.
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:10