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October 1—7

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: CITES
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:15


G'day Roger


Oh, G'day Mr. CITES. Would you mind giving me one of those serial numbers which means that I won't have to supply CITES documents for any of my well grown bush collected (no no no no) I mean well brung up in my well established Aussie orchid nursery, orchids, please.

I am quite happy to put any sort of labelling on the outside (or inside if you prefer) of the package, with my serial number and to tell you just exactly what is on the inside. (so you don't need to go to all the trouble of actually opening the thing. Hahaha. Wouldn't want to put you to all that trouble. See how I'm thinking of you all the time)

Just a touch of reality please.

No matter what the CITES requirements are, the person who has the responsibility of allowing, (or not) these plants into whatever country, has no way of knowing what they are. These folk are not 'orchid people' and would not know an orchid from an Iris. (or visa versa)

You know that a Vuylstekeara can in no way be a species orchid. So do I. They do not. They need it spelled out in chapter and verse. Hence the paperwork.

All this stuff about having the orchid in flower is to help them see that it is indeed a hybrid. (But even then, they would not know, and this clause was inserted at the insistence of the Taiwanese who want to export hybrid Phalaenopsis to the USA)

Those who governments see fit to put in charge of policing these treaties are just plain folk. Not orchid folk. They truly know nothing about orchids. Hence we are required to be totally open with them.

If you think that the quarantine folk in your part of the world are off the planet, you should try importing orchids into Australia. First you need your import permit. ($100) Bringing in Dendrobiums? that's $20 (Ta) Phalaenopsis too? That's another $20. Oh Cattlaya's....$20 ta

Every genera = $20.

But you bite the bullet and pay up.

The orchids you import must be on a list of orchids that are allowed to be imported. (This list is made up of all the orchids that have been imported to Australia so far) So your Estiosrepious ipidendusii not on the list?? (don't you just love the name??)

Bad luck. Can't bring it in!!

So you only bring in what you are allowed to bring in. Right!!.

And they are then fumigated with methyl bromide. Should they manage to survive this......

They will now be required to spend a minimum of three months in a quarantine house, (This is naturally fully inspected by them [for which you pay] and registered with the Australian Quarantine Inspection Service) and then show some growth, (which proves that they don't have any dreaded diseases that we don't already have here.)

Should your lucky orchid manage to find it's way through this quagmire, you are free to take it home.

Sometimes they even survive!! Many do. We lose about 30% and consider ourselves lucky.

I really don't know what you are griping about.

But don't get me wrong. I am really on your side when you complain about the CITES regulations. I just thought you should see that sometimes it can be much worse and still work out ok.

Tony

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: London Show 2006
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:55


I was told the other day that there would be no London Show next year -
someone at a Show I went to - I forget who - the speaker was quite
confident about this - but quite WRONG.

I have just had entry forms from the RHS for the Show, which is called "The
2006 National Orchid Show" .

Public opening times ;-
Preview - Friday 17th March 6-30-9 pm ( usually quite expensive, although
you do get a glass of wine - but many btrade stands are incomplete or
unmanned...)
Saturday 18th March 10-5
Sunday 19th Marc h 10-5 -- sell-off at 4.30

Venue , both halls ( Lindley and Lawrence) , Vincent Square.

I'm not sure when I shall go, this far in advance ; Maybe I'll stay
overnight and do the Friday and Saturday morning.


Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:55


Hi all,

Think I have asked this question before, but does anyone know ANYTHING about a hybrid Cattleya that I have, named:

Cattleya Nellie Roberts x Charlotte Goddard. The names may be the opposite way round?

Nellie Roberts was a British botanical artist, and had a lovely Cattleya named after her. I have a picture if anyone is interested.

Charlotte Goddard, was I think, an American lady, but I could be wrong.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:25


Both cattleyas are registered but there is no registration of this hybrid. C.Nellie Roberts has been used in many crosses but C.Charlotte Goddard has none registered. Regards

Roger Grier wrote:

Hi all,

Think I have asked this question before, but does anyone know ANYTHING about a hybrid Cattleya that I have, named:

Cattleya Nellie Roberts x Charlotte Goddard. The names may be the opposite way round?

Nellie Roberts was a British botanical artist, and had a lovely Cattleya named after her. I have a picture if anyone is interested.

Charlotte Goddard, was I think, an American lady, but I could be wrong.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: can you send me the list?
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:10

Hi,

I grow orchids in Costa Rica, unfortunately paper work and bureaucracy has run a muck here.

Can you send me the list?

Thanks,

Jim Mateosky
Costa Rica

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:25


My (expensive)m new Wildcatt does not actually work as yet - maybe they will
reply to my e-mail of last night and tell me how to solvee the problems - so
I looked up your cross on the RHS 98 Register disc.

Both names are good , i.e. they are actually cattleyas and not LCs or BLCs.
Nellie Roberts was registered by Peter McKenzie Black of Black & Flory in
1953 ( I remember going to the nhursery in the early 60's shortly before
it closed ); the parentage is Bow Bells x dowiana.

Charlotte Goddard is velutina aurantiaca , registered by a US nursery in
1973.

But the cross of the two does not appear. So it may be unregistered ( try
the latest list via the RHS website. ) If not, you can register it
yourself - name it Cattleya Rocky of 'Ampshire or whatever....

Geoff.

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From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] London Show 2006
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:05


Geoff, I also heard this but on questioning the perpetrator he was quite correct. There will be no RHS Orchid Show next September. This one was unique. Regards

Geoffrey Hands wrote:

I was told the other day that there would be no London Show next year - someone at a Show I went to - I forget who - the speaker was quite confident about this - but quite WRONG.

I have just had entry forms from the RHS for the Show, which is called "The 2006 National Orchid Show" .

Public opening times ;-
Preview - Friday 17th March 6-30-9 pm ( usually quite expensive, although you do get a glass of wine - but many btrade stands are incomplete or unmanned...)
Saturday 18th March 10-5
Sunday 19th Marc h 10-5 -- sell-off at 4.30

Venue , both halls ( Lindley and Lawrence) , Vincent Square.

I'm not sure when I shall go, this far in advance ; Maybe I'll stay overnight and do the Friday and Saturday morning.


Geoff

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] CITES
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:00


Hi Tony,

Thanks very much for your informative E-mail. Hell! You sure to have to put up with a lot 'down under'.

The item which may bug you the most, and it sure bugs me, is that I can get orchids from Italy and any of the so called European Union Countries without CITES or any other paperwork..........and they call it Fair Trade. Bull shit!

Kind regards, Roger.

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] London Show 2006
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:05


Geoff,
I see that you are not going on the Sunday. Is it not worthwhile to go to
the sell-off?


Ron

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:10


Hi Rocky,
What did you want to know about your Catt?
C.charlotte goddard is a crossing of C.velutina X C.aurantiaca and was made in 1973,
C.nellie roberts is a crossing of C.Bow Bells X C.dowiana and was made in 1953.

The crossing that you have is not registered so if its worth while you can register it yourself.
Let me know if you need any more info.
Cheers
Max.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:50


Mornin' Dennis and Geoff,

Thanks for the information regarding my hybrid Cattleya. I will know write a new label for it.

Geoff, why have you not 'enabled' your spell checker??? I can't honestly understand why a chap of your standing does not have it 'checked'. 'ampshire 'og.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: London Show 2006
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:20


The operative words Dennis , are "IN SEPTEMBER" - the last one was in that
month instead of being in March , because of a clash with WOC.
But the way it was said to me ( but admitting that my hearing ain't what it
used to be ) was that there would be no RHS show in 2006, period... and that
was the thing I was to tying to cortrect, lest anyone else had the same
misapprehension.

Geoff.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE:London Show 2006
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:20


I suppose it might be - but I do not want to go every day , and I prefer to
go at the beginning when I have the best choice. Some things I would want
will not be available at the sell-off !

Geoff.

Ronald Newstead wrote:

Geoff,
I see that you are not going on the Sunday. Is it not worthwhile to go to
the sell-off?

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: My Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:55


Hi Max,

What I said to Dennis and Geoff sure applies to you now, and thanks very much. And it sure is gratifying [big word for me] to know that your reply came from 'Down under', that what's nice about 'Orchid Talk'.

BEFORE we all get too excited, the flowers that this plant produces are not that spectacular!!! Several blooms per spike, and not that large. That is as of the last couple of years. I have since split the plant into four pieces and there is a sheath on three of them. Should bloom in a few weeks time, and I will then photograph it.

Max, you ask if I need any more information? Yes please. Have you got any more information on the 'Charlotte Goddard' half of the cross? Maybe who made it, and the bonus would be a picture of it.

Can't wait!

Kind regards, Rocky.

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From: Jon Loose
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE:Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:40


Hi Geoff and all


I bought my very first orchid at Black & Flory when I was about 15 -
Odontoglossum citrosmum I think and was generously given a back-bulb of
Lycaste deppei at the same time and I still have the Lycaste. That would
have been 1971. I remember a few panes of glass missing and it looked very
sad. Orchid growing must have been rather in the doldrums then - Sanders
(one of their derelict nurseries was very close to me) was closed, I don't
think in-vitro propagation was very far advanced. Correct me if I am wrong
in all this as I didn't know any other orchid growers at the time and I'm
speculating rather. Does anyone know when they finally closed?


Talking of Cattleyas I've just had my first Cattleya flower open - a C.
wilsoniana I had from our auction as a rather sad little plant a couple of
years ago. For those who don't know, this has a plethora of names and is
basically a hybrid - natural or otherwise of C. bicolor and intermedia.
Quite a pretty little flower at the moment in an understated way.


Jon

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: CITES.
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:00


Hi to you all,

I E-mailed Simon James and told him that one of our members had purchased some orchids from Thailand/Malaysia. The member was told that all the paperwork was correct and that CITES was not required. The parcel arrived in England and was seized by Customs Officials.....no CITES...orchids confiscated.....owner contacted MANY weeks later. I won't tell you what he said!!!!! AND all of the documentation that was HONESTLY thought was required, was stuck on the outside of the parcel. Oh! And by the way, they were all hybrids?????

THEN, I informed Simon James that I had purchased three orchids from the same area of the world..........no problem, I received them by parcel post. Two were hybrids, the other a much propagated species.

Here is his reply:

Dear Mr Grier,
With reference to the questions raised below in the first two paragraphs. If CITES specimens are imported illegally, without the appropriate permits, then they are seized by HM Revenue & Customs and disposed of in any way they see fit. They cease to be the property of the importer if they have been imported illegally.

The remaining three paragraphs relate to health controls so it is not something we can comment on. I believe Paul Kilby in plant health has already addressed these issues for you.

If you have imported CITES plants from Thailand without the correct paperwork, i.e. a CITES import permit, then they should be surrendered to Customs as you have illegally imported them. Please supply the species involved and I will forward the information to Customs who will be in contact as to how to proceed.

Regards
Simon James
Global Wildlife Division
Department for the Environment,
Food & Rural Affairs
Eagle Wing - Zone 1/17/J
Temple Quay House
2 The Square
Temple Quay
Bristol
BS1 6EB
Direct Line: (0117) 3728502
Fax: (0117) 372 8206
e-mail - simon.james@defra.gsi.gov.uk
website: www.ukcites.gov.uk

You will see that I have highlighted in RED some very interesting topics.

'And disposed of in any way they see fit'. So what does that tell us??? I would like to hear from as many of you as possible regarding those words.


Next 'Red rag to a Bull' statement.

As far as I was aware I purchased the orchids, I did not IMPORT them. I feel that there is a definite misunderstanding here. Again, as far as I was aware, especially knowing more about orchids than these people most probably will ever know, I knew for CERTAIN that none of them were ENDANGERED SPECIES. The last sentence was in no way being detrimental or unkind to the people in Bristol as CITES covers such a VAST list of endangered species. I, Roger 'Rocky' Grier did not knowingly import them unlawfully. Surrender them to the Customs..........like hell I will!!!!! And do you know why? Because I know that they are not ENDANGERED SPECIES. Also, can anyone tell me what HARM they are doing locked up in my prison, sorry, I meant to say my greenhouse. Tell you what though, I would love to invite a group of INTERESTED Customs people into my home to just explain what a mess CITES is in.


CITES should be scrapped. Then it should be re-written so as just to offer HELP to any Country which has ENDANGERED SPECIES of orchids and give them the encouragement to save just a few seed pods of shall we say the last remaining species in the world. Within a few years we would have THOUSANDS of them.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Memories of the past!
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:05


Hi Jon,

Nice story you gave to all of us about times long ago.

I did notice that you must be a very good grower, as you have kept your Lycaste for all of those years.

Any chance of a photo of your Cattleya please.

Regards, Rocky.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE:Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:45


When I went to Black and Flory the nursery was in a bad way .Roots of one
cattleya were growing into the next pot, so that if you found a plant you
wanted, it had to be cut out with secateurs. I found out afterwards that
Mrs Black was in hospital with a terminal condition ( the big C word) and
Peter was at his wits end after some years of nursing her himself - I don't
think hospices and counselling existed then... but I didn't know at the time
, and I guess that my view of his run-down nursery and cavalier business
methods were in fact uncharitable. But then , I was a young man too...
As for Sanders , I won't speak ill of the dead , but when I heard David S
was closing down as he had lost too much money , I did say " there is a
justice in the land"...
Geoff.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:45


hey Roger - I was just repeating your own words !


And I don't use spellchecker because it doesn't remember everyday words
;like paphiopedilum , vuylstekeara etc. etc. What sort of a dictionary is
that , which does not recognise words I use all the time ?

Geoff.

Roger Grier wrote:

Mornin' Dennis and Geoff,

Thanks for the information regarding my hybrid Cattleya. I will know write
a new label for it.

Geoff, why have you not 'enabled' your spell checker??? I can't honestly
understand why a chap of your standing does not have it 'checked'.
'ampshire 'og.

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE:London Show 2006
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:35


Ah, so I can buy at any time, Geoff?


Ron

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 05:55


Hi Rocky,
There is not really a lot that I can tell you apart from the fact that it was a cross made in 1973 of two species cattleyas by a H.Wallbrunn when he either worked at or perhaps owned a company Ft.Carolines. He registered about 53 different crosses and his first was listed in 1963 and was Epi.atropine. I could not get hold of a photo or other information as it has never been awarded.
Cheers
Max

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From: Silvio a Beccara
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phalaenopsis: narrow leaves
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:10


Dear list friends,

after messagesducing myself, I turn to you with a question: I've been growing
Phal. hybrids and species for a few years now, and while I am satisfied with
the flowering, I am not with the shape of my plants. The new leaves tend to
grow longer and narrower than the older ones, and far less rounded in shape.
I wonder whether it could me a matter of (un)proper lighting or watering. I
must say I tend to water sparingly (every 4 or 5 days, distilled water with
20-20-20 fertiliser). I have a combination of daylight and warm light neon
tubes on for about 14 hours a day, some 40 cm from the plants.

Thanks for any help, kind regards

Silvio a Beccara

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE:London Show 2006
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:35


If you admire any plant on the display ( of flowering plants) you can almost
certainly buy, but probably not take away with you - until the last hour of
the show ; but they will always send plants to you after the show. And they
will all have sales tables ( and reserve supplies of some things in the
store room at the back of the hall) and those plants you can take away when
you buy at any time.

Geoff.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: My Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:40


BTW , to register a new cross you MUST either be the originator - the
person who made and raised the cross - or have their permission . If you
can explain why you cannot ask for it ( e.g. you do not know where the plant
came from and do not know who the originator was ), then you can register
without permission. And you need a photograph too ( a Rule messagesduced after
a certain firm started registering lots of crosses they were merely thinking
of making....
Geoff.

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From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: cities
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:45


The typical official answer I would say Rock! Amazing! He has just spouted off what is the stock answer I think without digesting what you have said! I think the only hope is as you say if the whole lot was scrapped and they had well known orchid people sitting on a committee to draw up a new Cities list. Jean

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Spellchecker.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:10


Mornin' Geoff,

What a cracker of a morning it is to. Plenty of gardening today!!!

My spellchecker gives the option of adding a strange new word to the systems dictionary, does yours not have this choice?

Calanthe, Microstylis, Mormolyca, Pleione. I will now spell-check this message to you.

It gave me the choice, so I added them to the dictionary, and it even altered my word that I had typed.....spellcheck to spell-check.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: There is justice in the land.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:20


I read Geoff's comments about Sanders Orchid establishment, and I thought to myself, "Well I'll be damned".

Many years ago when I was a member of the Bournemouth Orchid Society I happened to meet one of the 'Sanders Tribe', can't remember his Christian name, but was it David?

No matter. This chap and I were talking about something or other, obviously orchid related, and afterwards I thought to myself.............................................................................and I will leave you to guess what I thought. As it is the Autumn season, I guess the word 'conker' comes to mind, or something similar!

Rocky.

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From: Jon Loose
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Memories of the past!
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:50


Hi Rocky

The Lycaste is an easy orchid for a windowsill and fragrant too.

Here are the photos though the colour looks a bit less vibrant than in real
life - the effect of the flash I think.

Yet another name is C amethystoglossa 'Pinkie' and I can see why.

Regards Jon

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From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] CITES.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:25


As far as I know most of the confiscated orchids are sent to Kew. They keep
the interesting ones ie species, but not sure what they do with the hybrids.


Peter Fowler, Alton, U.K.

Birthplace of William Curtis.

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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:55


With my spellchecker I can add any word I wish to it's dictionary or memory.Surely that applies to all. Ronbow.

Geoffrey Hands wrote:

I don't use spellchecker because it doesn't remember everyday words ;like paphiopedilum , vuylstekeara etc. etc. What sort of a dictionary is that , which does not recognise words I use all the time ?

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:05


Geoff
Your spell checker should accept words once you have added them to your
personal dictionary


Ron

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: CITES.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:15


Hi all, and I mean ALL of us orchid people.

I have just come off the phone having had a nice friendly chat to:
Simon James
Global Wildlife Division
Department for the Environment,
Food & Rural Affairs
Eagle Wing - Zone 1/17/J
Temple Quay House
2 The Square
Temple Quay
Bristol
BS1 6EB

Simon I would think by his voice is a young man, doing his job, best he can.

When I told him about how many seeds there can be in just one orchid seed pod, and how, if the very last plant on this earth had seven pods, and four were allowed to scatter naturally, but the other three would be harvested and sent to laboratories around the world, that we would have thousands of them in next to no time. His answer was that the dreaded CITES is not about CONSERVATION, but more to do with trade between countries. Well!!!!! I'll eat my Grandfathers hat!!!! Or words to that effect.

So, all of you representatives from B.O.G.A. B.O.C. etc. it's up to you to keep bashing away at them with the evidence that all orchid people know about, and that they, the CITES people need to be told about.

And please tell them that if the rest of the world gets to know that to import from Jersey does require a CITES permit, but to import from France/Belgium/Germany/Italy/Holland does not require a permit, then before long all hell is going to break loose.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: My Cattleya hybrid.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:25


Thanks Max, Sure is a lot of information out there, Regards, Rocky.

Max Redman wrote:

Hi Rocky,
There is not really a lot that I can tell you apart from the fact that it was a cross made in 1973 of two species cattleyas by a H.Wallbrunn when he either worked at or perhaps owned a company Ft.Carolines. He registered about 53 different crosses and his first was listed in 1963 and was Epi.atropine. I could not get hold of a photo or other information as it has never been awarded.

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From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phals
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:15


Silvio I have a feeling that light is probably the problem. Obviously they do not to be in a place which is too light but mine seem to suffer and do the same thing if it is too dark. I try to give them all a medium light and they do quite well and flower every year. Jean

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: CITES.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:45


The answer is they put them on the compost heap I think....

Geoff.


Peter Fowler wrote:

As far as I know most of the confiscated orchids are sent to Kew. They keep
the interesting ones ie species, but not sure what they do with the hybrids.

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] There is justice in the land.
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:45


I don't think it was David - he really did know his stuff about orchids - it
was in his blood . The problem was that he seemed to think the world owed
him a living , and if he didn't get it by fair means....
He once sold me a piece of aerangis rhodosticta - in the days when
collecting from the wild was the only way to get species - no seed raising
was done. It was claimed to be "six inches" - and as anyone who has grown it
will know, that's a big plant for this species. It cost a good arm and a
leg. The plant turned out to be about 1 inch leaf span on a six inch
twig....

Geoff.

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From: JIM MATEOSKY
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Looking for pict. of Cat hetenton - deep Yellow
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:00


Hi folks,

I have some small hybrids Cats. Mother is LC spring lap "lenette" deep red w/ yellow lip Father is Cat 'hetenton'. I can not find a picture of the "father" anywhere. Anyone heard of it or any good searching Ideas?

Thanks,

Jim Mateosky
Costa Rica

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From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: help please? - shade cloth
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 06:50


Have you tried www.allplaz.com?

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From: mojca klancic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cryptopus elatus
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:00


Hi to all, I bought recently a plant of Cryptopus elatus, have found it's picture on the web, but have to right idea what exactly it needs. It is a small plant, as I understood from the Vanda alliance, so plenty of humidity and a lot of light. Does any of you have experience with it? http://www.orchideensammlung.de/gattungen/cryptopus/Cryptopus_elatus.jpg
Happy growing, Mojca from Slovenia

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From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cryptopus elatus
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:25


I didn't know your plant so I Googled it and found
this fantastic site:

http://www.orchidsonline.com.au/species320.html

It looks like I could grow it in south Florida.

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From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: nobile type dens
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:35


Three questions if I might:

1. I followed Geoff's instructions with my Kingianum and the nodes seem to be getting ready to flower (I hope). However, it has already sprung a couple of keikies. Does this mean all I will get will be keikies again? What should the night low be for blooming now that it has had its more than 6 weeks cool nights?

2. I have a Den. Golden Aya (a Yamoto hybrid) that is growing in my gh -lows in the summer to 16C min. I just removed a keiki from it and planted it, but the largest growth still is putting out a new leaf. From the Yamoto site, I read that when the plant matures (which should have been at the end of August) you give it the low temp treatment of 14C -25 times or more for a min of l hr/night. It has been getting 8 to 14C lows in the last 30 days. Have I inadvertently stopped the growth of the new leaf with the cool nights, and does that mean that the growth has not/will not mature? If I brought it into warmer temps, will the leaf continue to grow and then the cane mature? Do I bring it into warmer temps anyway? I have left it in the gh to get the max light.

3. I also have a Den nobile var. sanderianum. It has been outside in cool nights since the beginning of August (lows from 5 to 11C) We are at 2000ft, so late summer nights are very cool here. I brought it into the gh the middle of Sept and have just been misting it on sunny mornings. I think it got cool nights too early as it appears to have a small leaf stalled in the tallest cane. The ends of the canes never got the 'rounded tip' which I read signals maturity. Do I bring this in to warmer temps now of 25-28C day and 18C nights which Yamoto says will bring on blooms in 50 days? Or have I perhaps missed the boat? Bring it in and see what happens, or leave it out to cool more?

Any help at all would be most appreciated.
Sharon

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cryptopus elata.
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:40


Hi Mojca,

If no one answers you with the exact details of how to keep this orchid, then I will scan two references, with a picture that I have in my orchid books.

This I will do tomorrow.

Kind Regards, Rocky. memories of Lake Bled.

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From: Ronald Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE:London Show 2006
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:45


Thanks, Geoff. Then I shall plan to go on the Saturday and stay over until
the Sunday at the Oxford and Cambridge Club in Pall Mall. If you or any
'List' members would like to join me for Dinner there on the Saturday
evening, let me know.


Ron

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From: John W Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spellchecker.
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:15


Forgive me butting in on this spellchecker dictionary issue rocky but what's the point of adding a word you know how to spell? And if you perform a typo in the process it'll perpetuate the error 'til death part you from your PC!
(On the other hand, I wonder if Geoff needed to look up those examples eh?)
Cheers
John Stanley

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From: Max Redman
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Soft cane dens.
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:50


Sharon asked about growing soft canes. As I live in an outer suburb of
Sydney Australia it is hard to speak on the conditions that you have where
you live. However I grow and hybridize a lot of soft canes and the
conditions that I give them are as follows.
They are under a very light shade cloth all the year around with
temperatures that range between 0C to 40C . They are watered regularly from
the time of the new growth until the growth has reached its terminal growth.
This is normally when the top leaves come from the same place, ie.not
alternating, and there is no further growth.
This is normally out here about early April. I then stop watering and do not
water again until about the beginning of November. The only exception is if
there is any indication of shrivel in the growth. If there is I may give the
plant or plants a drink.
In the winter where I live the temperature in the winter can get as low as
0C and at the odd times even lower.
One thing to remember is that they prefer a smaller rather than a larger pot
. Keikis are generally caused from too much watering at the wrong time. That
is when the nodes are starting to form.
I hope that this is of some use.
Cheers
Max.

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From: mojca klancic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Cryptopus elatus
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:15


Thanks for answering. I hope to get some flowers, so I can post them. It should be a very nice small growing plant with big flowers. The very experienced grower recomanded it.

Mojca

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From: mojca klancic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cryptopus elata.
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:20


Dear Roger,

I would really appreciate your help. Lake Bled is really a nice place, but there are many interesting spots to visit in my country too.

Mojca

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From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Spellchecker.
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:20


In article ,
John W Stanley wrote:

> Forgive me butting in on this spellchecker dictionary issue rocky but
> what's the point of adding a word you know how to spell?

Because the spell checker doesn't know how to spell it until you teach it
and will irritate you by questioning the spelling every time you type it.

> And if you perform a typo in the process it'll perpetuate the error 'til
> death part you from your PC!

Not if you have taught it how to spell the word correctly. If you *know*
the dictionary can spell it correctly you can just accept the computer's
correction of a typo without having to stop and think about it. Probably
the lazy person's way but quite a time-saver when preparing long documents.
I use a spell checker because I can spell better than I can type :-)

--
Tricia


For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phals
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:30


Silvio I don't use any artificial lighting. I keep most of my Phalaenopsis indoors. Our house has big windows and glass patio doors so there is plenty of light in each room.
I kept quite a few in the greenhouse but the slugs started eating them as their number one favourite meal so I had to move them indoors again. I know that some of the members are much more qualified to answer this question as they have used artificial lighting so let's ask. Can any other member advise Silvio on indoor lighting for his Phalaenopsis? I feel that for Phals it is too bright but let's see what the others say. Jean

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From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dends
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:35


I'm in the same position as Sharon with my Dendrobiums. I still have mine outside but am noting each day what the night temperature will be and I intend bringing them in if it drops to 6C or below. I can't really give them lower than 12 when they do come in or my other orchids will suffer. I'm just hoping that it'll be cold enough for them. Jean

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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Spellchecker.
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:10


Yes of course , Tricia put it in a nutshell - I can spell better than I can
type.

And my rejection of spellchecker ( I'll digress with what seems to me to be
a funny story... in another group ., I was reproved for my typo's and the
webmaster went to the length of adding a dedicated spellchecker to the
site, for optional use. And the next week there were two typo's in his
contribution...) is due to cussedness rather than anything else - there you
are - the soul-baring of the week !

Geoff.

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From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: dictionary
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:25


Tricia I've just added Maxillaria and Tenuifolia to my dictionary as it kept underlining the words in red indicating an incorrect spelling as it does with most orchid names. Now I have added them it doesn't underline in red. When typing a very long document. It is good to spot the underlined words in red and to be able to correct them. It makes the job longer if they underline words which are spelt correctly. Jean

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From: "Schoonjans, Peter-Dieter \(IT\)"
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Phalaenopsis: narrow leaves
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:05


Silvio,

I have started putting my orchids mainly Phalaenopsis and Oncidiums
under artificial lighting but am doing this only for the last month and
can't comment on whether is it is a good or bad setup; time will tell.
I have 2 x 54W fluorescent lights at about 60cm from the top of the
flower pots, switched on 10 hours a day. There is also some light
coming through the window. How strong are your lightbulbs?

Living in a flat as well, I have poor access to rain water. Distilled
water looks a bit of an expensive option to me, so I do use (dare I say
it) tap water. All plants get put in the bath, then showered once a
week. Is distilled water not equally bad due to the lack of certain
stuff in the water or can one assume that all nutrients come from the
fertilizer?

I'll let you know if I start seeing phalaenopsis leaves getting
narrower. I do notice that they are getting darker, some even a bit
reddish.

Peter

Silvio a Beccara wrote:

Dear list friends,

after messagesducing myself, I turn to you with a question: I've been growing
Phal. hybrids and species for a few years now, and while I am satisfied
with the flowering, I am not with the shape of my plants. The new leaves
tend to grow longer and narrower than the older ones, and far less rounded
in shape. I wonder whether it could me a matter of (un)proper lighting or
watering. I must say I tend to water sparingly (every 4 or 5 days,
distilled water with 20-20-20 fertiliser). I have a combination of
daylight and warm light neon tubes on for about 14 hours a day, some 40 cm
from the plants.

Thanks for any help, kind regards

Silvio a Beccara

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: CITES.
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:00


After my phone call to Simon James at D.E.F.R.A. [Department of the Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs] I remembered someone telling me that CITES looks after the trade of endangered species, and that they, CITES were not interested in conservation.
To this end I would challenge them on one or more issues.

1. If I wanted to purchase orchids from a reputable orchid supplier, OTHER than the E.U. they, CITES state that I would require a CITES Importation document. I would say to them that in the interest of CONSERVATION, I would know that the orchids that I wished to purchase were in no way affecting conservation as they were in the main hybrids that were crossed many years ago, and/or species that were also in no way harming conservation.

2. On the question of TRADE, all people in business need TRADE to survive. I am sure that most of the orchid nurseries the world over would just love to have an order from myself and thousands of other people, but we do not TRADE with them. Why? Maybe because CITES thinks that we would not be put off by their ridiculous system regarding endangered species and still expecting us to fork out some hard earned cash. But of course we are put off!!!!!

CITES STIFLES TRADE.

If CITES would admit that they are VERY CONCERNED about conservation then they would allow us to import/purchase our orchids from wherever we wanted to. Then, they could just ask for a nominal fee. That would boost there coffers and so help everyone.

Rocky.

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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cryptopus elata.
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:15


Hi Mojca,

I was going to tell you about the information on two of my orchid books, but, there is so much information on the Internet that it is almost like the biggest encyclopaedia in the world.

Have you keyed in: Cryptopus elata and seen how much wonderful information is there?

Regards, Rocky.

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