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From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: shading
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:05


Geoff, Thanks for the info on aluminium strip. Further to shading net. Have a look at Tenaxuk,co/indix.or key in greenhouse shading on Froogle. or email info @tenax



From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Orchid Shows.
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:30


Ron, In my last message I said that it was my last comment. I was very upset when I realised that amateur societies bought in plants to put on a show 'display'.
Obviously only you and I think it is immoral as no one else has commented.
I also thought that rosettes were awarded as being judged against all entries - not just your own society.
Even at my age disalluionment can set in. Putting it down to experience is a bit late but in future I will not be so innocent.
Regards




From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: E-mail addresses.
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:40


Good evening to you all,

Recently my Hard drive crashed and so I have been off line for a few days. All sorted now and going well with a larger Hard drive of 40GB's, which is enough for me.

One small spot of trouble was that I did not back up all of my E-mail addresses. Only a few were missed, but the ones that matter to me are from the 'Orchid World'.

One lady from Peru, some of you from Australia and so on.

Could I please get you to E-mail me so that I can then record your E-mail addresses and put them in to my Address Book.

Please only contact me through my own E-mail address so as not to clog the Clubs site.

Many thanks, Rocky.


From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: den. type?
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:50


Hello: Could someone please tell me if D. Sanderianum is a nobile type? I have not been able to find out on the net. I did find out that it's synonym is D. Parthenium, but couldn't find out about it's culture either. Currently it is in a plastic basket with a small bit of fibrous material, with lots of aerial roots coming through the basket. Could someone please tell me the correct culture for this plant?
thanks
Sharon in Calgary


From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: s/h plants
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:00


Geoff: What kind of Dendrobiums do you grow in hydro? Would the nobile kind work? I currently have a few phalenopsis type in s/h, but I have a D kingianum that is in the clay pellets, but not in water -I water it every day. Is this appropriate?
Thanks again
Sharon in Calgary



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Web sites
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:20


Good evening all once again,

I also lost my 'Favourites' that I had stored for the better web sites for Orchid suppliers etc.

Would you be so kind as to E-mail me direct with such information.

Many thanks, Rocky.



From: suzy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Shows.
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:25


I think it is bad too but while the organisers of these events allow it then
this skulduggery will continue. Believe me the middle and upper classes
have been doing this sort of thing for years, in all walks of life.
At the end of the day it seems to be more about money than skill, amd
beating your rival at whatever cost. My husband complains about the same
thing at classic and custom motorbike shows where people exhibit bikes as
their own but they have been built by a team of specialists for tens of
thousands. They compete (and wipe floor with) the poor bloke who built his
in his dining room but used his skills and own expertise.

The world is a warped place. I am disillusioned and I'm only 32.

regards

suzy



From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: various things
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:05


Geoff - good luck with the aluminium shading. I hope you will be as pleased as I am with it.
Rocky - I have sent a list of some of the urls I have for UK Orchid Nurseries
Dennis - If entering any kind of competition of course it's immoral to display plants as belonging to members if they have just bought them in. No question about it.



From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shows
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:25


No ,Dennis! You are not alone. I have always felt this practice is, at the
least, amoral and verging on deception. If plants are brought in from
elsewhere there should be a displayed notice to the effect that 'this is
not all our own produce'. I have never displayed because I will not take
part in this charade.
I doubt that we shall ever stop the practice but at least your remarks may
prod a twinge or two of conscience.


From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: [OrchidTalk] Shows
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:35


I had drafted a long diatribe on the subject of plants bought in to
supplement the society members' own efforts but I think others have said it
more eloquently.

No Dennis, you are definitely not alone!


From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dying leaves on Zygo?
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:35


Hi group,

Not long ago I sent the pics of a zygo which had done
pretty well for me.

It had been moved to a cooler position, where it gets
sun in the early morning. It had a few new growths and
two spikes with three and four flowers.

It was doing pretty well until recently, when all the
leaves have started to turn yellow and then brown
within matter of days! It is quite alarming, as I
thought that maybe it was something to do with the
root system. Today, I was going to repot and divide
it, and try two different conditions, and see if
anything improves, but when taken out of the pot, the
roots look great, there are so many of them, and they
all look very healthy!. I couldn't even get rid of the
old compost, so I just shook it and dropped it in a
bigger pot, with some fresh compost. I have put it in
the same spot as before, but can't think of what could
be the wrong thing. Any suggestions?

By the way, the first spike lasted for months, whilst
the second spike has been in flower for barely two or
three weeks before turning brown and nasty.

Cheers,

Francis.




From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Shows.
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:05


Dear Dennis,

For what it's worth, I fully concur with your sentiments. The rules for any show should state clearly how many plants, if any, a society is allowed to buy in. If this is the case, it should also be declared clearly to visitors.

Even so, I take heart that it is rather difficult to hide the fact that plants have been bought in; it is very clear to other growers that a society's exhibit contains a significant number of plants not grown by its members.

Perhaps the negative opinion of fellow growers is more important than - and overcomes - any awards a society may gain as a result of this practice?

Regards,

Chong-Yee



From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium parthenium
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:30


Dendrobium sanderianum, as described by Rolfe, does appear to be considered a synonym of Dendrobium parthenium, as described by Reichenbach the younger. The latter species is described in Baker and Baker (summary follows):

D parthenium is endemic to Mount Kinabalu in the Malaysian state of Sabah; it grows from 450 metres (1500 feet) up to 900 metres (about 2700 feet). Recommended conditions are 16 degrees C minimum at night (I'm getting tired of converting to Imperial measurements - so please work this out yourself!), watering all year with a short dry period over winter (a good idea in any case for many Dendrobiums, if you are growing in temperate climates).

Otherwise, apply "typical" Dendrobium conditions: high humidity, reasonably good light, if potted use small pots to allow to become potbound, regular applications of fertilizer at moderate to high strength, good air movement.

Do note that there is another, more common (at least in the UK and Europe) species, Dendrobium sanderae. It is possible (likely?) that your plant may be a mislabelled specimen of this species. D sanderae comes from the Phillippines, and grows a little cooler than D parthenium (intermediate conditions) - though there are five different varieties, some of which require different conditions.

Both D sanderae and D parthenium are in Section Formosae, not Section Dendrobium ("nobile type").

Regards,

Chong-Yee

>Hello: Could someone please tell me if D. Sanderianum is a nobile type? I have not been able to find out on the net. I did find out that it's synonym is D. Parthenium, but couldn't find out about it's culture either. Currently it is in a plastic basket with a small bit of fibrous material, with lots of aerial roots coming through the basket. Could someone please tell me the correct culture for this plant?
>thanks
>Sharon in Calgary


From: Jon Loose
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] den. type?
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:00


Hi Sharon

Could it be D. nobile var. sanderianum from India-?

Maybe D. Sanderae? Does it look like a nobile or does it have very long
stems?


Jon
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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Shows.
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:10


In my experience at Newbury - when I staged the disp[ay by Cotswold OS , or
took part in staging it for 8 (?) years I was given 4 rosettes and told to
put them on the best plants on the next Society display to the right of our
stand. And then later rounded up with someone from the other Soc's to
jointly select best in show etc. It was not "properly" judged - and who
wants that anyway ? Having seen the opposite extreme - may I call it the
Brussels mentality without offence ? One almost has to fill in a 20 page
form for every plant considered etc - no, no, a thousand times no - orchids
are for fun , not that . Judging is nonsense anyway - even if it is nice to
bring home the silverware.


geoff



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] den. type?
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:25


There is no species called.D. sanderianum.

There is a D. Sanderae , which maybe what you mean ( Comes only from the
island of Luzon , in the Philippines - large white , witih colour in the
throat of the lip ) This is in the section of the genus now called
"Formosae" and which , before pot;itical correctness, used to be called
nigro-hirsute ( black-haired ) - its seems that the people of Africa would
be offended by this ( Huh ? ) hence the name hange.


This is not the same section as nobile.


However, over the years I have had other Dendrobium species in the ssp or
varietal form "sanderianum" - e.g. wardianum,


If you can put up an image I'll tell you if your Sanderianum is D.sanderae.


Geoff




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: s/h plants
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:30


In my experience every dendrobium will grow in hydro , but they usually need
some kind of rest in order to flower well

Suggestion . Try growing in hydro, and in the autumn ( say ) October 1st at
latest in UK) take out, and put outside - but watch for frost warnings.
Bring in after 6 weeks. They will probably start to produce flower buds, and
once well enlarged, you should be able to put them back into hydro for
flowering and continued growth.


Geoff




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] various things and what to do about OSGB
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:55


Hi Jean , I went off the aluminium strips when the quote was about £500 for
my greenhouse, and I can do it with green shadecloth for £72 !


Next „ the point about OSGB buying plants to make up their show display.

This ›buy-in“ thing is a good example of a moral mudslide. When you run your
own Society Show , and put on your own Society stand , there is likely no
actual competition for ›best stand“ „ so its all right to buy in the odd
plant to brighten it up. And then you are in a larger show, and you need a
bit of brightening up, and buy in the odd plant without thinking about it -
but it‹s wrongŶŶ.


Mind you „ it‹s a whole world away from going to Orchid Answers with a
cheque for £500 or whateverŶ..


Geoff.


Ps Most of us (?) Many of us (?) Some of us (?) are members of OSGB „ try
e-mailing to complain . Feel free to copy my e-mail, which I will send as
soon as I have dispatched this to ListŶ:_


To the President of the Society , Dr.Henry OakeleyŶ


If you do not know him, you may prefer to say Dear President, or Dear
Dr.Oakeley and of course you may need to alter other parts if you are not a
member or a long-term memberŶŶŶŶ.



Dear Henry

I have become aware of the practice of ›buying-in“ plants to boost the
Society‹s stand at shows „ e.g. at Dijon , and again at Newbury very
recently. There has been a lot of discussion „ not to say muttering about
this amongst other UK Orchid Society members „ some going so far as to cry
›cheating“ , ›unfair“ etc. Where there is a competitive element , it does
seem to many people that there ought to be the same rule as applies to
individual members plants „ ›in their ownership for x or y months“ „
otherwise , it becomes chequebook showing, and the richest win . Not quite
the thing , I think..


As a very long standing member and faithful supporter of OSGB ,in general
terms ( as a contributor to the journal, lecturer, etc ) even though a rare
attender because of distance, and a non-supporter in terms of providing
plants because my local Society and/or specialist Society too need support ,
I think that the policy presently being followed should be given
re-consideration . Any gain in ›status“ from putting on a good show or even
winning a trophy , has to be balanced against a public relations loss in how
the rest of Orchids UK perceives OSGB.

If you think this should be discussed at your next Committee meeting , I
would hope to hear what the general view „ and future policy- is to be.

Yours sincerely,


Geoffrey Hands




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Shows.
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:00


Come on now Suzy - you are young enough to change the world - so am I - and
I'm much more than twice as old as you.

Remember that complaining is the start ; then you MUST go on and do
something about it , or at least try .

That's what I have been doing all my life ; I have seen Government
departments who laughed at me, and told me I was wrong , and then a few
years later - as a result of what I was saying and doing - along a with a
few others too - the law quietly got changed..

Water wears away a stone.


Join the crusade - its much more fun than sitting at home moping !


Geoff



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Shows
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:00


Read my reply and act !
Geoff



From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Shows
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:20


I'm glad I'm not alone, but I started analysing my actions. Those of you who no me know that I don't throw my teddy out of the pram very often. I am now sure it was because for years I had assumed that the object of a show table was to exhibit your society or groups prowess at growing. Obviously it is to put on a display to gain plaudits for your artistic prowess. It hurt that I was so naive after 45years on construction where you have the largest gathering of b-l s------s ever.
I can't remember all the words but at university ther was a song -It's the same the whole world over, It's the rich that get the gravy, While it's the poor that get the blame, Ain't it all a bl-----g shame.
The End. Regards


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sharon's Dendrobe.
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:10


Hi Sharon,

In one of my books it states that your Dendrobe is one of the Hard Caned types.

I expect other members will give you more information, but if not I will look further.

Regards, Rocky.


From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: den. type?
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:55


While there is no species called.D. sanderianum, there
is a Den. nobile that has a cultivar Sanderianum. To
me it looks like a moderate quality jungle collected
plant. The closer the plant is to the species the
harder it is to grow in my climate (south Florida).
The new select clones grown quite well in our hot
climate.





From: suzy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Shows.
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:55


geoff

I will endeavor to try. I'm a firm believer in quality not quantity anyway.
I would rather view a nicely presented orchid stand with quality plants than
a crowded stand thats confusing to the eye. But when i was at artschool i
was always taught less is more.

I haven't joined a society yet, i'm a little embarassed by my lack of
knowledge and am prone to forget names and mispronouce them. I just want my
orchids to flower so i can draw them. They are getting to that point slowly
but surely and I have learn't heaps from Orchid-talk and the internet.

I will put some of my work on the site when i'm happy with it, then every
one can tell me how accurate/inacurate they are.

regards

suzy



From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Dendrobiums again
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:20


Hi again Geoff: Pardon my ignorance, but when you say 'take out', what exactly do you mean? Bare root or in some other kind of medium? Would you do this for hard cane dens/ den phalaenopsis also?
Thanks for elaborating. Sounds like an interesting idea.
I will attach a photo of the plant, and if anyone can tell from it whether it is a D sanderae or a D parthenium, I would be most grateful.
Thanks again
Sharon




From: James H
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: blue phal!
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 06:10


i found this ad on ebay for a blue phal, what does everyonethink of
this?, i ordered some seeds from this seller a couple days ago but i
dont really trust a blue phal.
james


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dying leaves on Zygo?
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:25


It has been pretty hot lately Francis ! When you were enjoying 25 degrees in
the garden, your window sill plants were frying at 110.....
Geoff




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: OSGB and buying in plants - the OSGB reply, and my comments....
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:40


Herewith, OSGB President's reply to my e-mail - followed by my answer..


Dear Geoffrey

Thanks for your kind letter and expression of your support for the OSGB. I
can understand the concerns, of course, and had one person voice them to me
very angrily and intemperately at Newbury. However, all the orchids on the
OSGB stand came from members - Ray Bilton is a member of the OSGB. Perhaps
you could pass this back. The exhibits are there to provide a good display.
I understand that the Phalaenopsis that won Best in Show was given that
award by the Newbury judges, to Ray Bilton's Phalaenopsis, on the OSGB stand
in full knowledge by them that it came from him. The trophy will be engraved
with his name, not that of the OSGB. The RHS exhibition rules specifically
state that the source of plants on any exhibit at an RHS show are of no
relevance to the judging, and I was not aware of Newbury being any
different. Obviously I can see (just) that other exhibitors might want to
exclude good professional grower/members from exhibiting with the OSGB (and
that might include me!), but I hope that this would never happen. There is
nothing in BOC or OSGB rules that says that professional growers can not
belong to orchid societies or exhibit with them. The OSGB has not been the
'Amateur Orchid Society of Great Britain' for over 40 years, although it was
when it first started. It is only awards of cultural certificates that are
restricted to persons who have owned and grown a plant for at least a year,
and I have never seen it applied to plants in displays - anywhere in the
world - and even culturals can be awarded to professional growers.


Hope this is reassuring; it was discussed at the OSGB Committee today. If
any Show organiser wishes to change (or clarify) the rules for which members
can exhibit and which cannot exhibit in a Society's exhibit, then I think
the BOC as well as the OSGB would wish to be in on a formal discussion - and
not just have to listen to one or two people's voices, perhaps louder than
others, who were unaware of the facts. Please pass it on/back!


For the record, this is an old, old chestnut - when I first started
exhibiting I used to lend plants to commercial orchid growers for their
exhibits, and had complaints that this was not fair... Plus ca change as I
think they say in France (with a squiggle under the 'c').


Kind regards (and thank you again for your e-mail),

Henry



Thank you for that, Henry ; I shall pass it on to the forum where getting on
for a dozen members - of O.Ss spread over the whole country - have
expressed feelings.


May I put two points, per contra ?


The 25 Phalaenjopsis at Dijon were NOT the property of Ray Bilton - they had
been bought by the Society - and were subsequently sold on to members - (
know - I bought two of them). I wonder if the same was true at Newbury ; if
so , you can't wriggle out of it like that ..


And in any case, there is a very large difference between borrowing a plant
,or even buying in a plant , and going along with a cheque for 25 plants.
It's not even a difference of degree - it's a world apart.


Rather sceptically yours,


Geoff



From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium, shading and zygos
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:50


Geoff at that price - a very wise move! Mine is obviously a much smaller greenhouse but even so cost between one to two hundred pounds. I splashed out on a last ditch effort to improve conditions and I think it's paid off. Time will tell!
Francis - are all the other conditions the same? Did they become too hot or cold for a spell? I know the heat had that effect on my own Zygos.
I bought a healthy little Dendrobium hyrid - 'Dend.Kingianum X King Zip' and I want to keep it in tip top health! As I've very really succeeded with this type of orchid I'm thinking of growing it in seramis using semi hydroculture - i.e. a sealed pot filled with seramis or some other stone mix and then water/feed a quarter of the capicity of the pot. Could I have your comments please? I really do want to succeed with this one. I take it that it will need a cool to intermediate temp? Thanks - Jean


From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Dying leaves on Zygo?
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 09:50


Thanks for all your replies about this, group.

I'm aware that it has been very hot lately, plus it
coincided with a whole week where I wasn't here, due
to my father's illness. So it is very likely that for
over 6 days the plants did not see a drop of water,
which added to the heat, will have not been very good.

Now I'm back, I should try and look after them back to
their former health, even though it will take a few
years I guess to have as many long, green looking
leafs as it had before.

Cheers,

Francis.



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Orchid Shows.
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:20


Don‹t be shy of joining a Society Suzy , half the members ( should that be
90% ? ) know next to zero and just come along for the chat, to see the
plants others have brought, buy a raffle ticket, etc. etc.

And as for mispronunciation „ forget it. I regularly hear See-lojj-ennee ,
Coal,ogg-ine etc. ( Coleogyne ) „ and who knows how the ancient Greeks and
Romans pronounced their languages anyway ?


BTW , the best one is Dendrobium bigibbum Ŷ. It should not be pronounced as
a reference to the size of the rear-endŶ and when it is , its always good
for a laugh.


Geoff




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums again
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:20


You do not have D.sanderae . You do have a nobile type dendrobium , maybe -
as suggested - D.nobile var sanderanium , which as I recall it, has rosy
tips to the petals.


"Take out" means take it for a walk , outside the greenhouse, hang it up
from a tree or something (so as to minimise risk of the pot filling up with
creepy-crawlies hitching a ride back inside )


Geoff




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Dying leaves on Zygo?
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:25


Sorry for the mixed metaphor or whatever - make it enjoying 75 ... or make
it frying at 40

Geoff



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sharon's Dendrobe.
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:30


Mornin' Sharon,

It's always good to see a photo, that way the answers to the questions can be made much more acurately.

It is a soft leaved type of Dendrobium, that's for sure.

Over now to the other members.

Regards, Rocky.


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium, shading and zygos
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:35


As you know Jean, I "do" hydroculture - actually I don't do it the way I
have often described, any more - I use hydroponics by which I mean the water
is pumped in to a much higher level ( say 10-12cm depth ) , currently, every
4 hours , day and night , and allowed to totally drain afterwards ( will be
more fully described in the OSGB journal towards the end of the year - I'm
just working on it now.)


But yes, I have several of these Australian Kingianum/Delicatum type hybrids
- ..x Jazz , . Ellen etc ( I think they call them Ellen types over there
? ) They grow very well in this system , or maybe they grow very well in
Perlite , since ones I took out to cool off outside the greenhouse, but
forgot, and put on the Phalaenopsis (conventional culture) bench , where
they got watered once or twice a week with tap water , also grew very well.

Currently - since last Autumn , I have only one temperature zone - 15
degrees winter night minimum . I think they will go quite cod in the winter
with no harm - I have in the past taken them down near freezing , and yes,
they were wet - standing in hydroculture at the time and the flowering was
amazing - two and three spikes off every came, including old canes and new
canes. It's the cold which is important for flowering , but warmth important
for growth I think - if you have been near Brisbane , and heard that it
occasionally drops to single figures (Centrigade) in the hills in the winter
, you will understand this. ( I have no personal experience of Oz in their
winter - if I go, its in our winter - their summer.


Geoff





From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums again
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:35


Dear Sharon,

Your plant looks like a "nobile type" - it could very well be the variety sanderianum of Dendrobium nobile. You'll need to wait until it flowers to tell. Send us a picture then.

By the way, is there any particular reason to change the way you are growing it now? It looks like it is growing very well in your care!

Regards,

Chong-Yee



From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hairy Dendrobiums
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:00


Geoff,

Your theory about why Dendrobium Section Nigrohirsuta was renamed Formosae is charming, but like most conspiracy theories not founded in fact.

Section Nigrohirsuta was proposed by Lindley in 1859 for a group of plants defined by the common feature of black hairs on young growths. However, Section Nigrohirsuta as defined by Lindley not only includes species presently accepted as being in Formosae, but also species now accepted as belonging in other sections. Also, Lindley failed to nominate a type in his description - and this makes it an invalid publication under taxonomic rules.

Section Formosae, on the other hand, as proposed by Bentham and Hooker in 1883, does nominate a type. Section Formosae as revised by Seidenfaden excludes those plants are more properly placed in other sections (despire their hairiness) because of other attributes.

So, nothing to do with political correctness, but everything to do with taxonomy.

Regards,

Chong-Yee



From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium sanderianum exists
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:00


Geoff Hands said:

>There is no species called.D. sanderianum.

JNS Tropic said:

>While there is no species called.D. sanderianum, there is a Den. nobile that has a cultivar Sanderianum.

Guys,

Dendrobium sanderianum was described by Rolfe in Bull. Misc. Inform. Kew 1894: 155 (1894).

Chong-Yee


From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hairy Sumatran Dendrobiums
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:00


Speaking of Section Formosae, my flask raised seedlings of Dendrobium tobaense are coming to bloom for the first time.

Something to look forward to!

I shall post photos as the flowers appear.

Chong-Yee


From: Janet Fabricant
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: den. type?
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:25


Where in South Florida are you located. We live in Boynton Beach
Wirey hugs and love and xxx and licks from Janet and Asta

"jns tropic" wrote:

> While there is no species called.D. sanderianum, there
> is a Den. nobile that has a cultivar Sanderianum. To
> me it looks like a moderate quality jungle collected
> plant. The closer the plant is to the species the
> harder it is to grow in my climate (south Florida).
> The new select clones grown quite well in our hot
> climate.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Nice bloomer.
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:35


Hi all,

Every year without fail, my plant of Ascofinetia -'Apple Blossom' gives me weeks of lovely blooms.

This year I have six spikes. Four from the main stem, and two from the other three small offshoots that are growing away nicely.

Now then everyone, especially those of you that have this plant or may know something of it. My question is that the label states that it is scented....................my nose can pick up no scent at all, and I have a very good 'sniffer'. Maybe someone can agree with me!

As this is monopodial orchid and will continue growing upwards, I can not see me having to repot it for many years. That's one bonus of having your orchid in a permanent medium.

Regards, Rocky. [Not the best photo, so I may have another try tomorrow]


From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: thank you
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:55


Many thanks Geoff for your comprehensive answer. I can always rely on you for some helpful tips! I decided to repot this afternoon and at the moment it looks really happy and very healthy sitting in it's sealed container. I have enclosed a couple of photos of this delightful little cheapie that I bought in a Garden Centre.
Some years ago I made out a list for our local members of how to pronounce the names of some orchids. It was aimed at new members joining our society who at first do find difficulty in pronouncing some orchid names. If any of our newer members would like it then I'd be pleased to email it to you. Cheers - Jean


From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: apology
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:00


I am so sorry for sending two photographs just now. I had reduced them dramitcally in size to avoid problems with people downloading but somehow with the second I clicked the wrong one and the full size came through. I realize that it will take a long time to download for those with a modem so again I apologise for the inconvenience and will make sure it doesn't happen again. Jean



From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium, shading and zygos
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:20


Hi all: I have my zygo in s/h using gemma stones and it is doing famously right now. 4 new growths about 3" tall and 2 more just beginning. It is in my greenhouse on a lower shelf, and although it has been getting up to 30C in there some days, the nights are cool still and it seems happy. I would suggest that you drill a hole l" from the bottom of your s/h pot -that way you can maintain an even volume of water in there without guessing, and it makes flushing very simple. Once a month, I seal up the hole with putty and fill the container with rain water just to really flush it out. Let it sit for a few minutes and then pull out the putty. Works for me!
Sharon



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobium sanderianum exists....quibble, quibble...
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:15


The plant described by Rolfe as D. sanderianum in 1894 had previously been
described and validly named as D. parthenium , by Reichenbach (f) 9 years
earlier. Under the Rules the Rolfe name is invalid. So , there never (
truly) was a D. sanderianum, only a botanists error of that name.

Geoff

Dr Chong-Yee Khoo wrote:

Geoff Hands said:

>There is no species called.D. sanderianum.

JNS Tropic said:

>While there is no species called.D. sanderianum, there is a Den. nobile
that has a cultivar Sanderianum.

Guys,

Dendrobium sanderianum was described by Rolfe in Bull. Misc. Inform. Kew
1894: 155 (1894).




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Hairy Dendrobiums
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:30


An interesting point arises here ; I am familiar with the rules about
priority etc in Generic and specific names, but I was not aware that they
also applied to the sub-division of genera into sections ; I seem to recall
that every time I read of a revision in this area, it is put forward as a
proposal ; whereas a revision based on priority is put forward rather more
definitely as a fact which everyone has to accept.


There is a passage in Lavarack,Harris and Stocker "Dendrobium and its
Relatives , which I would like to quote in some support...


Evidence from chloroplast DNA might result in further changes , in
that .... does not appear to be as closely related.. as previously thought
and would be better placed in another sub-tribe ...


Note "evidence" - but note the rather diffident proposals for what is to be
done based on the evidence.


However, I will accept that my "conspiracy theory" as you amusingly call it
may not be correct , although nigro-hirsute was certainly in use for a good
many years after 1859 ; I refuse to admit that I was growing orchids that
long ago - this message is signed by


Geoff , not Methusalah.





From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] OSGB and buying in plants - the OSGB reply, and my comments....
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:40


Thanks Geoff. I guess I was the 'angry, intemperate' person'.
Yes, I did throw my teddy out of the pram. I was angry as I assumed, in my ignorance , naivety or stupidity, that the normal society rules of owning a plant for 6 months ,prior to exhibiting, applied.I just put my points forcibly. I was obviously wrong as the OSGB would not flout the rules.When I made my feelings known, the OSGB member with H.O. said that as they were short of plants they had 'brought some in from Orchid Answers'.If he had grown them for 6 months, I will look very stupid even under my assumption.
I welcome all orchid growers to all societies, Professional or Amateur. Without the professional grower we would all loose out.I was surprised that there were no Anguloas or Lycastes on the OSGB stand.
I also made my feelings known, just as forcibly , to the organiser, Don Smallman.
Once again - the end. Regards




From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Ascofinetia -'Apple Blossom'
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:15


Rocky, what a beauty!
Regards - Nancy


~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Do you have the time to listen to me whine?"
Green Day 'Basket Case'




From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Nice bloomer.
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:00


Wow, Rocky,

That makes me so green with envy.

I bought a Neofinetia falcata last year, but so far no
flowers. I was told is pretty much flowering size, but
so far not much of a spike or anything yet. Oh well,
when I get some flowers I'll tell you if mine is
scented or not (I'm told it is).

Francis.



From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: more den. identification please
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:50


Hello, thanks for all of your help on the D. nobile var sanderianum. Now I know how to keep it -lots of light and cool and dry as a bone in the winter. I do have 2 others that I am unsure of. One is Den. Burana Jade crp (not sure what the crp stands for). The other is Den. 'Golden Aya', which I have found is aphrodite x capillipies, but I don't know what section of Den that is either. I have attached photos of each.
Thanks again for all of your marvelous help. Perhaps I will be able to bloom dens other than the phal type after all!
Sharon
PS If I might -I got a Den kingianum this winter, when I didn't know you were supposed to keep it dryish. It has been and still is producing keikies. Is there any way I can get it to bloom? My greenhouse temps are 12-15C at night and 24-30C in the day. It is in clay pellets, but not in s/h, and I am watering it daily. thanks


From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] apology
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:00


Don't we all have modems, Jean?
Ron




From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Jpg file size
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 02:55


Jean I have DSL and really enjoyed the larger file on
your second picture. On my email it opened with two
thumbnail pictures. The large file is only active
when I download the picture. I think that I will
start using both large and small size jpg's and then
the viewer can pick the size file desired. On my web
site I shifted to a larger jpg format and I get a
better picture (with a 5 year old digital camera).
Take a look at my site:
http://groups.msn.com/tropicalgardenpics/_whatsnew.msnw
The pictures are all thumbnails until you chick on
them to see the full picture.
The first attached picture is 100% from my web site
and the second is 50%. I use Gimp in Linux instead of
Photoshop.



From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Jpg file size. something interesting
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 11:30


When I posted the two pictures one was half the size
of the other. But when I saw the email the download
of the pictures were identical, as were the
thumbnails, although the file sizes were different.
Yahoo must limit the size of the picture. When I have
a raw picture with a large file size I will post it
with the identical picture that has been edited to
lower the file size. The subject line of that email
will be 'LARGE FILE SIZE'. I am trying to get the
best picture that will be usable for everyone.




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Humidity measurement
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:25


I have just bought a new wet and dry thermometer ; the design seems to be
much improved.

Instead of the old sheet copper panel, on which the thermometers were hung „
which turned green in a humid house, but left green on your hands if you
handled it „the panel is now a plastics moulding , with the temperature
readings in nice clear black on the yellow plastic. Moreover the
thermometers themselves have red alcohol instead of the old sometimes near
invisible mercury , and the water tank for the wet-side, is a plastic box
instead of the old glass which could get broken . £16.98 plus carriage from
Met-Check.

They also do a plastic slide rule for calculating humidity „ which can be
left in the greenhouse without becoming unusable, unlike paper charts and
graphs.- worth the £8.47 plus carriage I think.


I also bought one of the latest self-emptying but also remote readable
rain-gauges ( wireless transmission ) which I have been trying to fix to my
fence since the post-man came mid-morning , but every time I go out we have
another thunder-shower , or alternatively I get it fixed and then find I
should have installed the batteries first Ŷ but later today I shall be able
to see how much rain we actually get, instead of saying ›half a tub full .


Geoff


From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Jean's apology
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:30


Thanks jns! I love the photographs that I've looked at on your website and am going back later to browse around again. I used the larger photos for some things but never when sending them to other members as they can take ages to download if people are using a modem connection.
No Ron those with Broadband connection have a cable which is plugged into the back of the computer and a modem is not used. Thanks for your understandinig. Jean


From: Robert J. Richter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: apology
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:35


I'm sure she meant telephone modem, and not a cable modem, or a DSL modem.

Robert J. Richter
Owner
Bob's Computer Services
283 Elm Street
N. Reading, MA 01864
Tel: (978) 664-4380
Visit us at www.bobscomp.com & www.bobsfoto.com

Ron Newstead wrote:

Don't we all have modems, Jean?

Ron



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Photos.
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:40


Thanks Ron..........yes of course I was wrong.........I needed a good kick up the backside. Will tell you about it one day.

Ron wrote:
Roger

If you must take a photograph against the light, perhaps you might try flash?

Best regards

Ron



From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Dendrobium sanderianum exists....quibble, quibble...
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:05


I'm glad to have brought Rolfe's publication to your attention.

The fact that it was described by Rolfe means that there was (and always will be) a species Dendrobium sanderianum. Assuming that the publication was validly published, i.a. containing a Latin diagnosis (and all indications point to this being so), the name given by Rolfe will always exist as a valid descriptor - at the very least of the plant that Rolfe based his description on. Whether the name is later reduced to synonymy with another species or not is irrelevant to this fact.

Article 11.1 of the St Louis code provides that there can only be one "correct name", which is the earliest legitimate name (Article 11.4). The code does not say anywhere (that I can see) that a later name or publication automatically vanishes or ceases to exist when an earlier one is found.

Thus, there will always be a Dendrobium miyakei, there will always be a Vanda sanderiana, and there will always be a Dendrobium sanderianum.

So, I disagree, not a quibble at all.

Chong-Yee

>Geoff Hands said:

>The plant described by Rolfe as D. sanderianum in 1894 had previously been
>described and validly named as D. parthenium , by Reichenbach (f) 9 years
>earlier. Under the Rules the Rolfe name is invalid. So , there never (
>truly) was a D. sanderianum, only a botanists error of that name.




From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sander's Dendrobe.
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:55


All of this interesting talk about 'Sander's Dendrobe', and I thaught to myself that I could not honestly say what it looked like.

So I waded through a few of my Orchid Books and came up with a couple of pieces.

So, it is a 'Hard Caned' Dendrobe, and unlike most of this type that we get used to seeing and growing, it has leaves all the way up the cane.

And then the beautiful large flowers with the pretty lines in the lip.

Does anyone grow it?

Where can it be purchased?

Regards, Rocky.


From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: modems
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:20


Sorry if I caused any confusion with my talk of modems. Mine has a modem too but isn't used as I connect through Broadband and a cable but it does have the modem so I could connect through the telephone socket if I ever need to for some reason. My son did not have a modem in his computer (some years ago now) and had to buy one and put in but I imagine they all come fitted with modems these days. Jean


From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: photos
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:25


That's very interesting jns! I think you must be right and that Yahoo must
limit the size. I have an account with them as well and at first had
difficulty in finding where the attachments were. It's seems an odd system
but I find them very good and like the way all the spam mail goes straight
into a spam box! Jean



From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: modems
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:45


Most people will know what you mean if you use the terms dial-up or
broadband instead of the connecting device (which may or may not be a
modem).


From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sander's Dendrobe.
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:40

Roger,

For your enjoyment, a photo of a recent - in fact first - blooming of my Dendrobium sanderae var major. The flowers on my plant lasted about 2 months (when I took them off). The plant won a Bronze medal at the recent World Orchid Conference in Dijon.

Dendrobium sanderae has several varieties, of which variety major has the largest flowers. The flower in your photo appears to be variety parviflorum, with a straight lip.

I have seen D sanderae offered on various lists (I can't recall which offhand), and plants of variety luzonica were on sale at Newbury this year. I bought my plant from a hobbyist in Singapore and imported it under CITES. It didn't do too well in the tropical heat of Singapore, but flourished once it got used to my greenhouse, putting up a cane that is well over a metre in height.

I have been told that true variety major is rarely seen, and that many of the plants labelled as "var major" are not really that variety. So buy with care.

I'm not certain about your characterisation of it as a "hard caned" dendrobe (it seems to be too much of a generalisation), but I grow my plant in intermediate conditions, "mounted" on a piece of treefern. This in turn is placed in a basket which is suspended from the greenhouse roof.

Regards,

Chong-Yee



From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: dendrobium
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:40


Thank you Tricia that seems a very sensible and clear way of explaining the
Internet connections.
Thank you for the photos Rocky, now we know exactly what this Dendrob looks
like. - Jean



From: Gary Hawkins
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: modems
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:45


The connecting device is always a modem, even if you have broadband.
Broadband uses a modem; it's just a different type from a dialup connection.
There are no forms of domestic Internet connection which do not use a modem.



From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: modems
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:50


Thank you for the correction. I keep forgetting that our router is actually
a switching hub plus broadband modem - we didn't have a network whilst
still on dial-up so I tend to associate routers with broadband only :-)


From: Gary Hawkins
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: modems
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:05


I'm a mad IT person ... ...


From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: modems
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:50


I'd never have guessed :-;


From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Sander's Dendrobe.
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:50


You are talking about the real D.sanderae now, from the Phillipines. There
are several different varieties - in the horticultural sense ( before a
certain member starts lecturing me about what the Rules say about use of the
word "variety") each with a different coloured patch in the throat , and of
different sizes for the flowers . I used to grow D.sanderae "major" or
some-such nane. I think it came from a seed-raised batch from one of the
Dutch botanic specialists, or maybe from the New Zealand guy who use to come
to Newbury with an amazing range of plants.


Like all the Phillipine orchids, they are hard to find. There are a few
orchid nurseries there, mainly - as far as I could see in a mere 2 day stay
during a cruise - supplying the cut-flower market , and not into species at
all . One of the European orchid men - trading under a name like KJ orchids
or some-such , in Denmark as I recall it , tried to organise an import of
species about 2 or 3 years ago , and I placed an order for 20 or 30
different ones, including half a dozen Vanda species ; but no plants arrived
; I heard he was in difficulty with the orchid police at the big London
European Show - for having an albino paph - could have been P.micranthum
album - he was asking 7500 English pounds for it - I have no knowledge of
how it all ended.


I did receive 3 extremely tatty Vanda species from him 12 months after the
due date, with a note saying that the received plants were unsaleable - and
I do not know if they had been seized and sent to Kew to be thrown away
because they did not want them, or were just dead on arrival . hH did not
charge me for the Vandas, and I still have two of them , and they may be fit
to flower and even show after another 50 years tlc ; trouble is I will be
looking forward to my 125th birthday by then.


If you ever see these plants, you have to buy them when you do ; but like
most orchids, if you keep looking and keep trying , yuou will get there in
the end.


And by the way , even if leaved all the way up, and even if someone puts
them in the "hard cane" group , they are nothing like say D.kingianum or
D.phalaenopsis or biggibbum physically , more like say Formosae or
infundibulum in flowering habit ; a few very large flowers, usually in twos
or threes from the very top nodes only , but capable of flowering for more
than 1 year from each cane.


Geoff.


Roger Grier wrote:


All of this interesting talk about 'Sander's Dendrobe', and I thaught to
myself that I could not honestly say what it looked like...



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: modems
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:55


Modem - (acronym) a modulator/demodulator device designed to convert
digital data from a computer into analogue signals to be sent along
conventional telephone lines , or vice versa . definition given in "The
Digital Photographers A-Z.


Even with broadband, the digital still has to be turned into analogue - ?


Geoff




From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Sander's Dendrobe.
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:00


Your pic looks very like the ones on the plant I had , which I think
suffered when I was moving plants around preparatory to demolishing one
greenhouse and moving house - or maybe its one of the plants I sold - can't
be sure. Flowers well over 10cm in a north-south direction - quite stunning.
I have also seen another variety with largher lips and almost brown colour
in the throat.

Geoff


Dr Chong-Yee Khoo wrote:

Roger,

For your enjoyment, a photo of a recent - in fact first - blooming of my
Dendrobium sanderae var major. The flowers on my plant lasted about 2 months
(when I took them off). The plant won a Bronze medal at the recent World
Orchid Conference in Dijon.



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] modems
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:05


And the other thing about modems is that they have a limit capacity ; the
one built-in to a computer before broadband , and maybe still today ,
usually has a 56k or maybe 90k ( kb/sec) speed ability. Broadband started
off as 1Mb - which would be 10 or more times as fast . Later "Broadband"
speeds on offer have been 512Kb and even 256Kb - but clearly the V90 modem
can't cope. Hence, the modem built into the router, which most of use (?)
is presumably designed for 1Mb . I did enquire about a faster service (
which I don't need of course) from some-one offering 2,4 and even 8Mb
connections, but was warned bout the need for a matching modem according to
the one I bought, but the local telephone line couldn't have coped anyway.


geoff




From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Wrong WORD.
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:05


Hi there Chong Ye,

My mistake..........I meant to say that it was a 'HARD-LEAVED' Dendrobe.

As usual your photography is first class.
Just to jog my memory, what type of camera do you have, and is it a SLR/see through the lens focus type of digital camera.

Kind regards, Rocky.



From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hard cane dendrobium - que?
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:00


Please could someone explain 'hard cane dendrobium'? I have only come
across the expression on this list and now we also have hard-leafed and
soft-leafed as well... I'm totally confused.


From: Gary Hawkins
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: modems
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:55


Geoff

Sorry - more from the mad IT person. But this time on the subject of the
nonsense that some of the people selling broadband etc. indulge in.

Broadband is and has always been capable of speeds of 8Mb per second - but
what can be practically achieved depends on the condition of what is termed
the 'local loop' - i.e. the telephone connection between your house and the
local exchange. All broadband modems can send and receive data at all
possible broadband speeds. About 90% of UK users can now have a 512kb per
second connection, and 75% 2Mb per second, as British Telecom progressively
upgrades its local loops. Many users are perplexed by the statements of '
10 times' greater speeds because they don't get that. Broadband ALWAYS
uploads files to the internet at a speed of 256kb per second, and downloads
files at whatever connection speed you can access and have purchased. The
ACTUAL speeds achieved depend upon how fast the to and from which these
downloads occur can operate. The fact that the upload and download speeds
are different leads to the technical name for the type of broadband used in
the UK and much of the world - ASSYMETRICAL Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL).
It should also be noted that ALL modems (even old-style dialup) are
technically routers - and this term is thrown in by vendors to make it sound
like you are getting something extra. ANY vendor that tells you that your
ADSL modem needs upgrading to cope with an increased connection speed is
simply trying to sell you a new modem. BEWARE of usage caps - BT for
example have recently launched a program of updating their connection speeds
from 512kb to 2M - but at the same time they have introduced a total
upload/download limit per month - which you are charged for if you exceed
it.

I offer my services as someone with a long time in banking IT to dismember
the con artists and sharks that populate the home IT market on behalf of
this forum!!



From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Hard cane dendrobium - que?
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:05


I have not been able to find any official definition of hard cane/soft cane
but the specialist book I recently quoted - which meant to deal with all the
Dondrobes ( Dendrobium and its Relatives , by Laverock, Harris and Stocker)
uses Soft Cane for the Section dendrobium ( the genus is divided into many
sections ) and Hard Cane for the sections Phalaenopsius and Spatulata .

The latter ( phal and spat) cover most if not all of the ones grown for the
cut flower trade, and which are usually if not invariably tip-bearing -
meaning that they produce long sprays of flowers from nodes at the tip (top)
or end) of the canes.
The soft cane ones, in comparison , tend to flower from nodes all along
their length - (if you are lucky ! ) and have single flowers, or smaller
bunches, but not sprays- and hence not much use as cut flowers anyway.

Geoff




From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: For Tricia.
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:00


Hi Tricia,

It may be my fault that 'Hard-caned' and 'Hard-leaved' Dendrobiums has confused you.

I meant to say 'Hard-leaved', and not 'Hard-caned'.

Rocky.


From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: For Tricia.
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:35


As it's me I'm still confused! Could you explain what you mean by
hard-leaved, please. Is it anything to do with deciduous species?


From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Hard cane dendrobium - que?
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:40


Thanks, Geoff. I had wondered whether it was to do with those which require
a dry period and those which don't i.e. being 'hardened'.


From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: modems
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:20


Thanks, Gary. Very interesting - and useful to boot.
Ron N




From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Tradgedy
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:10


I trust all our orchid friends and their relatives have not been affected by the London tragedy.
Gordon
(frae Aberdeen).


From: Jean-Paul Pichardie
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: The horror! The horror!
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:10


My deepest condolences to all my British friends after these heinous attacks. France and the UK have shared so much in the past that your pain is our pain and the horror ours.
Jean-Paul


From: aeranthes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: modems
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:10


How very interesting Gary, thank you for the information. I had no idea that files upload and download at different speeds. I had wrongly assumed the speed was the same. Jean


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Hard leaved Dendrobes.
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:45


Good evening Tricia,

Speaking straight from the shoulder, as I am apt to do, I will tell you in good New Forest English what I mean by Hard-leaved and Soft-leaved Dendrobiums.

Now we all know that there are hundreds of Dendrobiums, but I am talking about the Dendrobiums that we hobbyists come across in Garden Centres, Orchid Shows, Orchid Nurseries etc.

If I explain what I call 'Hard-leaved' Dendrobiums, then it will save me from explaining about the rest.

Most of the Hard-leaved types have very sturdy upright canes. The quite, very stiff leaves are somewhat as firm as a Cattleya leaf. 'Normally' the ones that we see and buy have leaves just at the top of the canes. The flower spikes emerge from the top of the cane only. Often they will send out new spikes from the older canes. A typical type is the Phaleanopsis type dendrobium.

As I have said before, I do sometimes find that this type of Dendrobe is loath to show new growth, but I get them going buy getting them as warm as possible.

Hope this helps Tricia, without going into too much baffling waffle.

Kind regards, Rocky. Just thought....would a photo help?


From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Tradgedy
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:15


Our hearts go out to the people of London, the rest of England, and the world. The attachment is from my front yard - a gift of peace and serenity as we all pray for sanity to prevail.


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