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From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Kew Orchid Passion... But is it really?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:35

I don't think that Kew in general is into saving orchids from extinction by
seed raising. Kew is the Royal Botanic Gardens, meaning a Govt. dept. - the
permanent staff are all civil servants !
They do whatever the Governemnt tells them to do - which bit of Government I
forget - maybe they are in DEFRA ( Dept of the Environment - ) which would
be why they are the official voice as far as CITES interpretation is
concerned - and in fact they vet ALL applications and say yes or no , as the
case be ( under EU guidelines or "Directives" as they are officially known.

Yes, they were involved in the save Cyprepedium calceolus and other rare UK
orchids thing - but only after private money was put up - Lady Sainsbury
paid for the work , not the taxpayer ( The Sainsbury Orchid Fellow did the
research ) I believe the funding was about a million quid, and I don't think
Gordon Btrown would have approved of that coming from his budget.

They are NOT into raising rare orchids from seed generally. They do grow a
lot of rare orchids - they maintain a "living collection" and have some
funding for that .but honestly most of us would not give any of them house
room ; they are not our ideaa of orchids. If you see them , you will get a
better understanding of why many botanists turn their noses up and go all
sniffy looking at our orchids, and say "oh but they are hybrids" in a voice
which would curdle milk. Our orchidds are bright and brash and colourful ,
and a 99% (?) of the species in the world are small, insignificant, dull,
boring , and have flowers which last for five minutes. ( try decorating your
lounge with Spiranthus spiranthes ! )
The reasons why Kew keeps growing all these - often unknown - orchids (
and yes I admit that they have a few nice ones among them , here and
there )are obscure , and perhaps overlooked - thank goodness - lest the
money be taken away . It does not amount to veryu much in terms of the
National Budget , and we don't need to spend all ourt money on Defence,
Education, Immigration , etc do we ?
One day perhaps these insignificant orchids may be important, and available
for the seed raising purpose, although they are not at present.

Now I say all this from my own beliefs , bits I have been told, bits I have
read , and perhaps bits I have misunderstood or been told in error, etc.
etc. over the years. Kew would accept no reponsibility for what I say !
We do have a Kew worker ( or more than one ? ) as a member and occasional
contributor, and I if I have got it wrong , we may hear from him , but
again - I have very little doubt - as a private contributioin and not an
official reply.

From: Alan Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Reference Books
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:35

Hi!
Following on from the recent requests to identify plants.I have discovered
serious holes in my coverage. Can anybody recommend books on cool
dendrobiums and pleurothallids which cover cultivation requirements as well
as identification although cultivation would be the foremost requirement.
Thanks.

From: Lisa Thoerle
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Reference Books
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:50

Dr. Luer's so-called green books, Icones Pleurothallidinarum, are
the pleurothallidiots' bible. Those volumes that are still in print are
available from the Missouri Botanic Garden (www.mbgpress.org),
www.orchidsbooks.com, and I'm sure from somebody in the UK as well.
Every description is accompanied by one (or more) of Dr. Luer's
beautiful diagnostic drawings. The first volume of Orchids of Bolivia is
devoted to pleurs. While neither of these sources contain cultural
advice (which would get pretty redundant, anyway), they contain enough
habitat information for you to figure it out.

Van Royen's Orchids of the High Mountains of New Guinea has lots of
dendrobiums (but has the same restrictions noted above), and Dendrobium
and Its Relatives, by Lavarack, is a nice book that covers the genus and
contains cultural information.

From: dr chong-yee khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Reference Books
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:10

I can speak for the Dendrobiums - the most comprehensive cultural treatment is
by Baker and Baker "Orchid Species Culture: Dendrobium ~Margaret L. Baker,
Charles O. Baker Timber Press"

This is pretty heavy stuff, with no pictures (or even any indication of Sections).

Available from Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881923605/qid=1108559138/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-6509399-2333226

Another good book is "Dendrobium and Its Relatives ~P. S. Lavarack, et al
Timber Press" It's a lot more readable than the Baker book, has fantastic photos
but is much less comprehensive.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881924903/qid=1108559138/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-6509399-

I would regard both as essential in any library of a serious Dendrobium enthusiast.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Reference books.
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:50

The only book that I have that gives a fair idea is the old classic, 'Encyclopaedia of Cultivated Orchids' by Alex D. Hawkes. I do not have any what I term, 'Modern books' but I guess there must be some on the market that will suit your needs.

Can't go without pointing out your comment:...........I have discovered serious holes in my coverage.

From: P G Hieke
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Pete's Barbosalle.
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:35

Hi Rocky,
No container and no compost. It just grows on plain cork-oak.
In summer it's watered/misted every day for 3 minutes automatically.
In winter it's watered once a week, if it's rainy, every fortnight.
Temperatures vary from as low as 6º C in winter to 30º C in summer.
Average is about 12 - 25º C. It grows under polycarbon roof with
50% shadecloth in summer and full sun in winter. It is one of the
easy growing plants. No special attention, it just grows happily.
Kind regards
Peter from Bloubergstrand
Hi Peter,

That plant sure is every orchid growers dream. What is it growing in..........type of container, and what type of compost please.

From: Robert J. Richter
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid Show
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:40
Source: mail.orchids@orchidguide.com

From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Kew Orchid Passion... But is it really?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:35

As far as I remember, Kew's government funding is being reduced further and
further as time goes on. They now have to raise a large amount of cash
themselves to keep going. This is why it requires a small fortune to spend
any time there. But I guess that once they are totally self-sufficient they
won't have to "do as the government tells them".

From recent discussions on CITES etc, I'm assuming that Geoff's comment "The
reasons why Kew keeps growing all these...are obscure" is tongue in cheek?

The Orchid Festival, as I see it, confuses visitors as to what Kew is really
for. However the brightly coloured hybrids stuffed into every nook and
cranny do attract large numbers helping in the fight to survive financially.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: North Hampshire Orchid Society Show
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:05

Bob's message about the orchid show in New Hampshire USA reminds me to
mention the North Hampshire (UK) Orchid Society Show this coming Saturday
19th at Church Cottage, Basingstoke. It is a (very) short stroll from the
Festival Place shopping centre and runs from 11.00am to 4.00pm. More
details at http://www.north-hampshire-orchid-society.org.uk

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Reference Books
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:20

I think I can do better in dendrobium books. Try:-
Dendrobiums, an introduction to the species in cultivation , by Sybella
Schelpe and Joyce Stewart.

To those in the know, Joyce Stewarts name is a guarantee and I don't think I
need spell out her qualifications in the orchid world.

The book I refer to tells you what the climate is like wherethe orchids
grow - e.g. D spectabile
" It is an epiphyte in lowland forest ( nEw Guinea and Bougainville) often
where conditions are rather swampy , and it grows well on introduced coconut
and casuarina trees. It may be found in hot humid areas near sea-level and
also up to 110m inland. It hjas also been collected from the ground, growing
in thick moss and peat, apparently a survivor after falling from trees"

My criticism of Baker and Baker is that they have gone to a lot of trouble
to find out where herbarium speci,ems have been collected from , and then
found the weather/climate rewcords for the nearest weather station to that
point. This is of far less value than gfirst appears, for if that weather
station is Chiang Mai - as you will find if you look up some popular
Dendrobiuum species , the weather records are taken on the edge of the town
, and although the species is "near" - it is actually 40 miles away and
2000feet higher. So I always found that the figures quoted by Baker are
meaningless. They look good, but are useless. Sorry Margaret and Charles -
I guess that's why your books never really took off.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Kew Orchid Passion... But is it really?
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:20

In the good old days when I first went to Kew , pinching an extra long lunch
hour from my grind in the law library ( being paid for by a benevolent
employer -helping me towards my final exams ) - entrance to Kew was three
pence ( old money when there were 240 pennies in a pound). Fixed by Act of
Parliament in the days of King George III. Everyone knew it was a nonsense,
but it needed another Act of Parliament to change it, and there was no
parliamentary time for such trivialities.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Guarantees.
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:50

Geoff was telling of a book on Dendrobiums, and he mentioned a lady by the name of Joyce Stewart, an he wrote:

To those in the know, Joyce Stewarts name is a guarantee and I don't think I need spell out her qualifications in the orchid world.

I have a book, or in fact I have two of the same books written by Joyce Stewart. The second one was given to me by a friend who bought it cheaply as they were not selling very well. They are like many of the modern orchid books, dealing with every subject in general..........pretty pictures, information from long ago that other books have, and not much else.

Some years ago, Joyce Stewart had one of her orchids on a society stand. I mentioned to one of the people on the stand that the orchid was wrongly labelled. He stated that it MUST be correct as it is Joyce Stewart's plant, and she should know! My comment was that she should now better.

I am not having a go at Joyce, it's not my style, but why are such people seemingly put on a pedestal. She is a rather shy person and I would rather people judged her for what she is and not shy away from her thinking that she was unapproachable.

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: clear sticky secretions
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:05

I have recently noticed on some of my dens a clear
sticky secretion on the edge of some of the leaves.
This secretions only seem to happen on the leaves of
the youngest canes, the ones that grew on the last
growing season and have not yet flowered.

Also I have noticed that new roots are growing on
these canes, although they stopped growing a month or
two months ago (one of them probably even longer), and
not spikes to be seen yet!

From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Timber, Orchids and CITES
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:55

Rampant smuggling of illegal timber from Indonesia to China is a billion dollar trade threatening the last remaining intact tropical forests in the Asia-Pacific region

"Indonesia has the world's worst deforestation rate, with an area the size of Switzerland being lost every year."

The accompanying BBC News report states that, at this rate of deforestation, there will be no forest cover left in Indonesian Papua in 5 years...

- it is international treaties like CITES which regulate the illegal trade in timber

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobiums, new growths and sticky secretions.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:55

And how is the weather in Spain? Here today in southern England we actually have a lovely SUNNY morning!!! It will most probably not last though.

Dendrobiums from a certain section/group, very often grow new canes from older canes. This is very common. When the new canes are of sufficient length to handle, and the roots are also long enough to be re-potted, then just remove them by gentle moving from side to side and they will soon part from the 'Mother cane'. I normally then put three or four canes into one pot. First though, I tie or tape them together as this helps keep them nice and tidy.

As to the sticky secretions..........two thought come to my mind. First one is to ask you if there are any 'creepy crawlies' on the leaves. If so, it may be the secretions from the bugs. Secondly, if there are no signs of bugs, then it is as nature intended. Many orchids produce this secretion.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] clear sticky secretions
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:00

It's sap, probably. A relief valve for excess osmotic pressure, via the
stomata. Nothing to worry about, but for perefection, gently sponge it off ,
or sooty mould will groon it andd disfigure the leaves.
Geoff

From: jeanmarian.lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: well said
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:20

Well said Chong-Yee and thank you for the information! Cites is there for a reason. Recently a Brazilian and American were very heavily fined and given a prison sentence for systematic importation of orchids protected by Cites. Jean

From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Pl. restrepioides
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:00

Just catching up on my mail. I cannot get a good picture of the talked about P. restrepioides but I have about 6 plants of just flowering size (next year). If you want one contact me direct. Just re-imburse me the postage.
Regards

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums, new growths and sticky secretions.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:40

There are no bugs around them, so I can be relieved
and think of it as something quite normal then.

Rocky, I'm not sure what the weather is like in Spain
today as I have been living in London for the past 7
years (grin), but the weather here today was cloudy,
cold and miserable (not much change from the usual).

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Dendrobium speciosum.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:55

I was having a discussion with a few friends about Dendrobium speciosum and why it did not keep to a pattern relative to flowering each year, and also to how many flower spikes it put up.

My friends plant which is very similar to mine in size has three spikes, but many of the bulbs are not spiking.

I have had my plant for about 26 years, and it never has been that keen to flower each year.

This year I have kept it in my warmer greenhouse with a minimum temperature of 60 degrees Fahrenheit.

Other years it was housed in the cooler greenhouse, going down to 50/55 degrees Fahrenheit.

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Dendrobiums, sticky secretions - as nature intended
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:30

Forgive my nit-picking Rocky, I know what you mean, but didn't nature also intend the bugs to suck sap? Aren't we, in our greenhouses, attempting a degree of plant-perfection nature seldom achieves?
But just to add to the issue; doesn't bug-juice taste sweeter than sap exudation (because of a higher sugar concentration)? I really don't know; I'm just curious but I imagine it could have a bearing on the fungal infection risk and seems worth asking in case it offers a positive test.
John Stanley

Hi Francis,
. . . . . . . As to the sticky secretions..........two thought come to my mind. First one is to ask you if there are any 'creepy crawlies' on the leaves. If so, it may be the secretions from the bugs. Secondly, if there are no signs of bugs, then it is as nature intended. Many orchids produce this secretion.

From: Orchids
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sarconopsis
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:15

Can anyone tell me where i may find photo's of
Sarconopsis Macquarie Sunset and
Sarconopsis Macquarie Lilac i would really welcome any assistance anyone
may be able to supply me.
Thanks for any assistance.
Les

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Things 'aint what they seem!!!
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:25

I sure did smile when I read your E-mail, as I always say, 'Humour is everything'.

That sunny morning did not last very long, but today.................we will wait and see.

Hopefully off on a walk in the New Forest..........eyes down looking for orchid leaves!!!

From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: sticky secretion
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:55

Years ago when I first started growing orchids I had what appeared to be a healthy plant which was in bud and making the clear sticky secretion we are discussing. In a panic I 'phoned Brian Rittershausen from the Devon Nursery and he explained that it is the sign of a healthy plant. It is a kind of nectar to attract pollinating insects. I have found it on most of my orchids when they are doing well and about to flower or in flower. He said I could wipe it off if I wished but it would probably build up again quickly. Jean

From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: North Hampshire Orchid Society Show
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:05

Here are some photos from the North Hampshire Orchid Society Show, held today in Basingstoke.

It's a compact show, with no competition tables, but a number of impressive displays. I was particularly impressed with the NHOS, Thames Valley OS and Devon OS stands.

The Gastrorchis is possibly G tuberculosa, and the D christyanum is larger than any I have previously seen - it's possibly a polyploid (or a hybrid?).

From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Things 'aint what they seem!!!
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:40

Hope you found lots of orchids on your walk around the
New Forest... One of these days I should go and look
for native, hardy, terrestrial orchids on the ground
of some forest, but not in London!

The Spanish email address is a funny one, when opening
my email account, (in London) the computer asked my
what my mother tongue was, I typed Spanish, and then
the Spanish website of yahoo came
up and everything was in Spanish.

From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: thank you
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:15

Many thanks for sending around the wonderful photos of the Basingstoke Show
Chong-Yee! That was a colourful day to start the day! My favourite is the
Laelia. I have a fairly new Laelia Purpurata which has flowered twice and
each time has had a flower spike of surprising length! It was around 27
inches. Does anyone know if this is to be expected or is it unusual for a
Laelia? - Jean

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Moisture.
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:10

Due to the cold weather that we are experiencing your greenhouse heaters will be working overtime, so, do remember that this means that they will dry up any moisture that is present. That is unless you have an automatic control over everything.

So do keep a daily check on the moisture. No doubt you may be surprised how much damping down is required, and also, as the days are so clear, the sun is out and the greenhouse soon warms up.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: North Hampshire Orchid Show.
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:20

Thanks for the impressive photos that you took at the show. Do you know, it's the first time that I realised that the N.H.O.S. Show had no competition tables. We live and learn.

I see at the bottom of each photo you have your name and the logo for 'Copyright'. Can either of you tell me please, if a person puts their name and the 'Copyright' logo on the photograph, is it legal and binding, so stopping anyone from using/copying it. That is to say, without having to register it.

From: jns tropic
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] North Hampshire Orchid Society Show
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:55

I believe this is a Brasso-cat possibly Bc. Morning Glory. Notice that I have a copywrite logo on my picture. Since it is not a registered picture I have no legal control on it's use. But when you see the logo you may know it's origin. I don't worry about copywrite laws because when a picture is on the internet it can be copied with ease by any user. I have Snagit in windows and snapshot in linux to capture anything that appears on my monitor screen.

From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Copyright (was Re: [OrchidTalk] North Hampshire Orchid Show)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:10

>I see at the bottom of each photo you have your name and the logo for 'Copyright'. Can either of you tell me please, if a person puts their name and the 'Copyright' logo on the photograph, is it legal and binding, so stopping anyone from using/copying it. That is to say, without having to register it.

Under UK law, copyright subsists automatically - i.e., the moment you create the work. It's yours for free. There is no need to register it with any authority (the US had a registration system until very recently, but no longer does).

The copyright is "legal and binding", and applies to the UK as well as many other countries of the world by virtue of (another) international convention - the Berne Convention. Wonderful things, international conventions. But note that you will have to take court action in order to enforce the copyright.

In fact, you don't even need to put "copyright" on the item - but if you do, it may be easier to prove in court that you own it and that the allegedly infringing article is in fact a copy. It may also help to show that the defendant copied it in the knowledge that it is (or might be) subject to copyright.

P.S. I do realise that the copyright tag may spoil the photos somewhat, but I am rather paranoid that the photos will be ripped off by someone...

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Jean's Laelia purpurata.
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:30

Nice to hear that you have such a splendid Laelia purpurata..........any chance of a photo please.

The length of the flower spike does seem longer than we would assume, given descriptions from many books, however, I once had a Schomburgkia which may have been a Laelia, or visa versa as the names change so much, and that had a massive spike. I never was quite sure what it was, but both of these types do seem to put up very long spikes.

Just for interest, when I was looking up some reference to your orchid I noticed of course that it is the National Flower of Brazil. Also, a note that its introduction to Europe to Messrs. Verschafflelt, Ghent, Belgium was credited to Francois Devos, who found it in Santa Catherina province in 1847.

My plant bloomed and grew well for several years until it developed the 'Just sit here and die' syndrome. Why I do not know, but it does appear to happen to some orchids.

From: Geoffrey Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] North Hampshire Orchid Show.
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:40

There is no registration system for artistic copyright. It comes into
existence when the "work" is created. Yes you can "stop" anyone copying it
. This means that you go to the High Court and ask for an injunction (
always supposing that when you ask the copyier nicely, first of all ,you get
no satisfaction) . You then have to prove that the work is your own property
, and probably - assuming the point is challenged - that you actually did
vcreate it , on the date(s) you said you did - and you need some kind of
circumstanstial evidence to do this. In the case of a photograoh, you might
do so from the metadata recorded alonmgside the image, a show prhramme
showing the date, evidence from people who saw the display , etc. etc.
And of course none of this can stop other people taking the same kjind of
picture, or using picturesthey took themselves.
And by the way, all the above applies whether that copyright sign is shown
or not - at least in UK ( but not perhaps in USA)

And I must add that this is not free professional advice, it is an
explanation of what was the law at the time I was practising - and I have
now been retired from full time practice for 11 years . Anyone seriously
interested ( as opposed to merely curious) should take up-to-date advice
from some-one currently practising ( I will be happy to provide the address
of the professional body , who can give you the name of someone near to
you ).
Law is not like arithmetic - 2 and 2 were 4 yesterday and will be 4
tomorrow. What was legal yesterday may become illegal tomorrow, and moreover
the law may be retrospective so that it was also illegal yesterday. That is
why it is dangeropus and unethical for old codgers like me - 40 years
experience notwithstanding - to give professional advice after they cease to
practice .

> Thanks for the impressive photos that you took at the show. Do you know,
> it's the first time that I realised that the N.H.O.S. Show had no
> competition tables. We live and learn.

> I see at the bottom of each photo you have your name and the logo for
> 'Copyright'. Can either of you tell me please, if a person puts their name
> and the 'Copyright' logo on the photograph, is it legal and binding, so
> stopping anyone from using/copying it. That is to say, without having to
> register it.

From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Moisture.
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:00

Further to Rogers advice this is possibly one of the worst times for Red Spider Mite to start in warm dry conditions. You do not see it until it has got a good start.
Regards

> Due to the cold weather that we are experiencing your greenhouse
> heaters will be working overtime, so, do remember that this means that
> they will dry up any moisture that is present. That is unless you have
> an automatic control over everything.

> So do keep a daily check on the moisture. No doubt you may be
> surprised how much damping down is required, and also, as the days are
> so clear, the sun is out and the greenhouse soon warms up.

From: nancy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: North Hampshire Orchid Society Show
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:25

Beautiful photos, Chong-Yee -
Especially breathtaking - the Coelogyne! Wow!
Thanks. Regards - Nancy

From: John Stanley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: copyright and parnoia
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:45

The whole concept of copyright is dependent on what the item is for. If I were to take a photograph as a paid photographer I would be pretty annoyed if it was pinched for the financial benefit of another. On the other hand, if the image was purely intended to illustrate something (an orchid say) for the mutual benefit of myself and friends within a group such as Orchid Talk and as an aid to communication, then I would be quite happy for it to be shared around and copied as only digital files can be.

It would also be interesting to know what degree of modification there needs to be before an image becomes the intellectual property of the modifier . . . . . a tricky point! (Geoff?)

What is of more concern to me is the responsibility of the photographer to produce an image actually representing what it purports to represent! It'd be just my luck to be generous in allowing my pictures to be copied and then being jumped on for liability because someone knew better and accused me of misrepresentation!

It always seems odd to me that I may take a picture of Nelson's Column or a piece of architecture without it being suggested that the copyright belongs with the sculptor/architect. No doubt in time . . . . . . .

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: North Hampshire Orchid Society Show
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:00

Regarding competition tables as mentioned by Chong-Yee and Rocky, these are
reserved for the monthly meetings, and separate show awards are given at
the annual show where all plants, including those from visiting societies,
are eligible to be judged.

The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was.

From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: laelia
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:10

Thanks for your reply Rocky. Yes I did know about it being the emblem for
Brazil. I'm afraid the two photos I have of two of my Laelias are really
exceptionally poor! I found it difficult to photograph a very long spike
with two orchids facing in opposite directions at the top of the stem! I
'cut' out the flower from the photograph and placed it on a background and
this way I was able to enjoy the flowers a little! I hope to come up with a
better flower when hopefully it flowers next time. I also have a Laelia
Chamberlainianum which also had an enormously long flower spike with two
orchids placed right at the top facing in opposite directions. This
photograph is also of very poor quality despit having two expensive cameras!
I'm hoping for better things this year. Jean

From: Jon Loose
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: North Hampshire Orchid Society Show
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:30

I meant to take my camera and forgot. I think the photo opportunities at
shows must be tremendous.

From: Rudolf Günnel
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: sticky secretion
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:20

Regarding the sticky secretions I read some time ago in an orchid book
(don't remember the name and the author), these secretions were a sign
of a stress situation the plant is in.
I don't know if this statement is right or wrong - maybe your
explanation is right Jean?
I have seen it often at the underside of Phalaenopsis leaves - but the
plants seem to be healthy!!!
Regards from Germany, Rudolf

> Years ago when I first started growing orchids I had what appeared to
> be a healthy plant which was in bud and making the clear sticky secretion
> we are discussing. In a panic I 'phoned Brian Rittershausen from the Devon
> Nursery and he explained that it is the sign of a healthy plant....

From: Theta Sigma
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Esmeralda x coraki -margeret-
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:05

I could not resist sending these photos of one showy orchid in my garden
in Venice Beach, California USA. Blooms are about 3.5 inches wide
tip-to-tip. First bloom after 2 years of resting. Hope you enjoy them.

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March	1-7	8-14	15-21	22-31	April	1-7	8-14	15-21	22-30
May	1-7	8-14	15-21	22-31	June	1-7	8-14	15-21	22-30
July	1-7	8-14	15-21	22-31	August	1-7	8-14	15-21	22-31
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