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February 1-7

From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Ansellia and 'The culprit'.
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 00:35


Have you seen any Daleks in the greenhouse recently ? Its obviously
from another world or time . Or in short , I'm stumped.

But I read a piece the other day about exotics which get here with
foreign travellers, or in things delivered to supermarkets direct from
foreign parts . I think that maybe Kew would have been interested in
this one. Too late now I expect , or maybe even now it is burrowing
into your lawn, producing its ,brood....

If I read about a plague of Ethiopan super beetles infesting
Southampton , I'll know who to blame. Luckily they will be stopped at
the customs post if they try to get into Dorset

Geoff


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: a couple of plants in flower right now.
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:50


This first one is Phaius tankervilliae. More flowers per spike than I
have had before. 7 spikes. In a 3 gallon bucket ( quite a weight). I
had a lot of ribbing about this when I took it the club -" we only show
orchid etc " but it was best on the table, so I had last laugh.


From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Some Paphs in Flower
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:20

Hi all, Geoff has put some nice orchids on show so I
thought I might try some myself. These are some paphs
I have in flower now or just finished.
The bellatulum x lowii and the Gold Dollar x Fumi's
Gold are 1st flowering seedlings. The Rowena has
flowered before.
Hope you like them, Roy.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Two items.
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:55


Geoff, what was the comment, friendly one I am sure, about your Phaius please.

Second item. Does anyone here in the U.K., especially those that live in more sheltered areas, keep their Cymbidiums out in the garden, or in sheltered places in the garden all through the year, especially in the winter months. I am thinking of putting almost all of my Cymbidiums out between the back of my greenhouse and a six foot wall.

Rocky.


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] CITES again...
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:30

Clearing out an old file I found a notebook with a list of orchid
plants found on the ground in a ramble through the Monte Verde cloud
forest in Costa Rica some years ago . 27 different species - although
only a few identified with any certainty I admit. These plants had
been growing in the canopy maybe 100feet up , and fell off when they
grew too big for the twig to bear , or the branch died and blew off in
a storm , or was broken by a leaping monkey or whatever .

As was pointed out in a the talk we had at the club last Friday , you
don't need to go into the canopy to find what orchids grow there , just
look on the ground . And down on the ground they die. As no less a
botanist than Robert Dressler says in the field guide to the orchids
of Panama etc "orchid hunters soon learn to carefully examine every
fallen tree or branch ,where plants can always be taken with a clear
conscience. But not taken home - CITES forbids it.

I think that is mad . So does every orchidist and botanist I have ever
discussed this with ,except perhaps Dr Cribb, ( I have not discussed
it with him ) who may feel that he has to defend the policy which he
did a lot to bring about, although maybe without realising all the
implications by the time the rules were interpreted by customs officers
and bureaucrats who would not know an orchid from a cauliflower
anyway.

If you agree , keep talking about it to everyone who will listen, and
maybe one day , water will wear away the stone.
Geoff


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: C.I.T.E.S.
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:30


Geoff's comment about some people not knowing the difference between a cauliflower and an orchid really made me chuckle, and of course it is so true. Hence my advice to people who go on holiday outside of the European Union and bring back orchids WITH the necessary paperwork is this....................do not bother to declare them, or maybe, just maybe, for some daft reason or other, they may be confiscated and end up at Kew!!!!!

One item that I would like to talk about is this. As far as I am aware, it was Kew that took some seed from the one and only Lady's Slipper orchid in this country. Grassington in Yorkshire I believe. Full marks to them for doing this at long last, but why did they not do it years ago, or does C.I.T.E.S. not agree with maybe taking seed from lets say the very last orchid of its kind in the world and share the seed between several well known establishments. Hell! Within years the world could be awash with them. But then I guess that is common sense.

So what does C.I.T.E.S. stand for???

I thought it meant: COUNCIL for IDIOTIC and TIMEWASTING EDUCATIONAL STUDIES.

Once upon a time there was a Town Council in Hampshire that knew of orchids growing in a certain piece of grass. So they put red posts in the ground to mark where to cut the grass and where not to cut the grass..............................trouble was, that nobody told the hired grass cutters which side of the posts to cut!!!!

It looks as though C.I.T.E.S. is a stumbling block. Rare or endangered orchids need permission for just a few seed pods to be taken, the rest we know about.

Rocky.


From: Olga Caussade
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Hey Olga ! .......trouble at WOC
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:20


Hello Geoff and Dr Chong-Yee Khoo,
Well, I think that your comments must be answered by the organizing team of
the WOC because they have the right of reply. I love so much orchids that I
would like that everything be perfect in this organisation, apparently this
is much more complicated than that.
Anyway, I will be very happy to meet you all, just in front of our
orchid-group AFCPO sunday morning (13/03), till midday.

Best regards
Olga




From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: CITES again...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:55


On 01 Feb 2005, at 09:33 AM, geoffrey hands wrote:


> As was pointed out in a the talk we had at the club last Friday , you
> don't need to go into the canopy to find what orchids grow there ,
> just look on the ground . And down on the ground they die. As no less
> a botanist than Robert Dressler says in the field guide to the
> orchids of Panama etc "orchid hunters soon learn to carefully examine
> every fallen tree or branch ,where plants can always be taken with a
> clear conscience. But not taken home - CITES forbids it.
>
>

Gosh golly, now Orchid Talk is starting to sound yahooish with this
CITES blather, much like the OGD! I can't speak for the goings-on for
the WOC, or the port inspectors in the U.K., but outside of
armchair-ville. . .

CITES may well be a piece of bureaucratic nonsense, but it sure does
not forbid the taking home of wild orchids. The rules are quite clear.
All orchids, including Appendix I taxa can be transported between
countries. Some countries are merely a bit more stingy about issuing
legal permits than some collectors or vagrant vendors would prefer.
Appendix I plants can be transported with CITES permits, but this is
not necessary for artificially propagated plants. Appendix II plants
can be transported without CITES permits. However, many countries,
such as Costa Rica, require collecting permits and export permits -
these can be somewhat difficult to obtain, but not impossible.
Recipient countries may have their own reg's, such as requiring
phytosanitary certificates by the originating country. I have taken
many plants out of Costa Rica and brought them to the U.S., without
difficulty from either Costa Rican or U.S. inspectors, both Appendix I
and II plants; just get them at a legitimate nursery, it is not hard to
do. Just be sure to have the necessary permits. Oh, and make sure
that you return to your home country through a port that does orchid
inspections! Regrettably, since 9/11 the sanctimonious and paranoid
conservatives have made a double-mess of bureaucracy, almost redefining
its inherent absurdity, along with their pseudo-moral intrusiveness, so
permits help a lot to showoff ones GroupThink abilities - that is in
the U.S. Now, what happens on the east-side of the pond is another
matter.

As for Dressler's quote, that is taken out of context. The comment had
absolutely nothing to do with CITES or regulations, as implied by
Geoff's statement. Bob D. was merely indicating that it is easier to
collect plants from fallen trees and branches, rather than climbing the
trees, or cutting them down as our overly romanticized and inglorious
ancestors did in days past. The riches from tree and branch fall can
be enthralling. This is a fact that I can attest to from past
experience, and that which is likely be re-experienced in a couple of
weeks within the cloud forest on the east slopes of Volcan Barva in
central Costa Rica. And, the book is entitled "Field Guide to the
Orchids of Costa Rica and Panama"; a useful compendium if the user has
a botanical background. It is not waterproof, however, and has a
limited life in wet forests.

Paul


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] C.I.T.E.S.
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:55


As it happens I do know the answer to this one Roger , and its not
CITES to blame here - CITES is concerned with International , i.e.
export/import - what you do in your own country is always OK - like
digging up endangered Paphs in a National Park in Thailand is OK if
they are used as bedding plants and thrown away - they are not being
exported see - so thats OK then ( crazy world we live in ).

No, the answer to the Cyprepedium calceolus thing ( rare UK plant ,
only one in existence in the wild in UK, although not rare in .e.g.
Switzerland , is that no one knew how to seed raise it. The techniques
which work for say cymbidiums produced nil results with this . It
took a Sainsbury Orchid Fellow ( a million quid out of Lady Sainsbury's
pocket money ) to find out why - and its all down to the mycorhizhaea
( two gold stars for correcting my spelling - but its 4.45 am - and I
can't sleep ) . Having first identified which one - there are only
10,000 of them out there, and you can't even see them with the naked
eye , never mind tell them apart , and then learnt how to grow the
damned stuff, it was then easy-peasy to raise the seed. They raised a
few thousand, planted a lot out, and offered the rest to a few who were
thought to be appropriate ( me included- probably because of my
National Collection of slippers, i.e.paphs ) . I refused - I don't have
the right conditions for cyps, and I'd rather they went to someone who
did .
And incidentally , less well known , they went on and did the same for
9 other rare British wild orchids.
Interestingly , they needed 7 different kinds of myco-whatsit. ,
one species ( I think it was the monkey orchid ) would work with either
of several different ones - all the others were specific , but one kind
did not need any. Its not , " ain't nature wonderful" , more " ain't
nature weird and un-understandable. ..
Geoff


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Hey Olga ! .......trouble at WOC
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:55


I look forward to that Olga - incidentally I did hear that at the last
minute we were offered some kind of deal which sounded perfectly good
to me- and after that it was up to the Committee of my Orchid Society
to see if they could make it work , They were saying , " Its up to our
members" , and I was saying , well I will do everything I can , and
thats the last I have heard so far...
Geoff




From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: CITES again...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:30

Perhaps I did not make my viewpoint very clear ; I'll have another go ,
without wishing to start a controversy.

, I prefer to consider the spirit of the law, not the letter of the
law. The only reason for CITES at all is to save wild species from
extinction due to International trade ( or collecting without any
actual purchase or trade ) . If it does not do that , what is it there
for ?

Dressler says that collecting orchids which have already fallen out of
the tree does not affect extinction - the plant was going to die on the
ground . Conversely , it can help avoid extinction by making it
available for seed raising if it can be got to a place where the
expertise exists - like my greenhouse.

Now I don't know what happens in USA - although I have heard many dire
stories - try reading Eric Hansen's Orchid Fever - large chunks of that
are true to my own knowledge . What happens in UK if you turn up and
announce that you have some wild orchids collected in Costa Rica is
that (1) the orchids will go to Kew , who will decide whether they want
any for their herbarium or live collection , and they will destroy the
rest and (2) you will be shown into an interview room and held whilst
the police are called, and you will end up in Court charged with
illegal importation . And no, under European law you cannot possibly
obtain an import permit in advance or when you arrive . And it is
absolutely no use at all protesting that the orchids are in the right
schedule , they will say , we don't know about that , and send them to
Kew anyway - and they may say , well they arn't labelled, they could be
anything , we should have to flower them to know , and we don't have
time or space to do that , so hard lines.... , and if anyone eventually
admits they were wrong ( very unlikely)it is likely to be six months
later, and all the plants will be dead from neglect anyway.

I feel very strongly that the system is all wrong. One of the leading
botanists , challenged to name any orchid saved from extinction by
CITES. was stumped.I I wonder just how many have been rendered extinct
by these stupid regulations ?

Geoff


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: humidity
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:40


Can anyone give me a link to find humidity tables (wet and dry bulb
thermometer or hygrometer ) ?.

I have mislaid mine .or more probably thrown them away in error when I
was packing for my house move . The ones I mean enable me to look up
the dry and wet air air temperatures and read off humidity . Actually
the one I used was a graph or maybe series of graphs , which are just
as good.


Geoff


From: Lisa Thoerle
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] humidity
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:15


I have sent Geoff a scanned table and can forward it to anyone else who
wants it.

--Lisa, pleurothallidiot



From: James H
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: bletilla striata
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:00


I just recieved a bletilla striata, i planted it in cactus mix mixed
with perlite and put lots of rocks in the bottom for drainage. Do you
think this will be good, also how often and how strongly does it like
to be fed?
I live on vancouver island, BC, Canada do you think i can keep this
inside and outside in the summer or outside all year, we have the
warmest winters in canada, -5C lowest and usually around 5-12C. For
all you americans i dont know what that is in F.
Do they need lots of light or partial?
thank you
james


From: James H
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: MH lights
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:10


I talked to my boss and i can get MH ballasts at our cost (we sell MH
lights for under water use) all i have to do is order it and put it
together then buy a 6$ socket and a 10$ sheet of aluminum bent to my
specs at the metal factory in town.
i am growing the flowers in my basement, i have phals dendrobium
phaphs, ondontoglossium oncinium and zygo, How many lights should i
get? What wattage of light? i plan to have 20 plants maybe 25, i only
have a small room for now, i can get 250W 400W or 1000W and i can get
isolated or non isolated ballests, i think non isolated have a better
power factor so i will probably get them.
im trying to spend as little as possible as money does not grow on
orchids right now.
Thank you
James


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Humidity.
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:00

Hi Geoff,

I am not quite sure what you want with regard to the humidity tables, but I do have two booklets, one for South and Central America, and one for the far East. These booklets were compiled by the Met. Office.

Both give temperature/humidity/rainfall etc. from many towns and cities.

If you or anyone else needs this sort of information then just give me the area and I will come up with the figures.

Rocky.



From: Ann
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: humidity
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:15


Hi Lisa
Can you please send me a copy also
Thanks
Les



From: Jon Loose
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: CITES again...
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:45


As I understand it CITES is in place to prevent wholesale exploitation of
endangered orchids and other endangered species as happened particularly in
Victorian times in Britain and which still goes on despite laws which make
it illegal. There are enough bad/selfish/foolish people out there for some
law to be necessary (Midsommer murder anyone?). How much worse would it be
if there were no legal restrictions and what does anyone think could more
effectively take its place?

One way perhaps to take advantage of "tree-fall" would be licensed and
monitored dealers who would be allowed under CITES to collect fallen
species. The problem would be how to effectively police it.

Jon

________________________________________
geoffrey hands wrote:

I prefer to consider the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. The
only reason for CITES at all is to save wild species from extinction due to
International trade ( or collecting without any actual purchase or trade ) .
If it does not do that , what is it there for ?



From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: RHS website
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:55


Hello all, I may have missed any previous discussion
on the subject but having used the RHS website on many
occasions researching orchid names & parentage, I have
become confused with the new website. Once I found the
site and accidently found the orchid section, I find
that the research area for Grex names or search by
parents section appears to be missing. Has anyone
located it or has it been deleted???
Could anyone help me please.

ROY



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bletilla striata.
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:55


Hello James,

Here in Southern England, many people just plant their Bletillas in the ground, and no harm comes to them. Our climate is quite near to yours. Some people keep them in a cold frame for the winter while others keep them in an unheated greenhouse. By all means put them out in the summer. Full sun, part sun, no problem. As to feeding, mine that are in pots stood at the back of a greenhouse for the winter get no feed at all during these months, and in the Spring and Summer, may get some if I remember, and they still do well.

Vancouver Island!!!!! Do you know of Wally and Barb Thomas? Grow a lot of cooler orchids in just plain perlite.

Regards, Rocky.


From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bletilla striata.
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:00


I have a Bletilla in the garden close to a wall sheltered from the north and the east. Living in Aberdeen Scotland the plant must be hardy in view of the frost and snow we get here. It did flower last summer having been planted as a young plant the year before.
Gordon.


From: Thomas Hillson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: [OrchidTalk] Re: CITES again...
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:30


The biggest problem with CITES is it restricts international trade in
Orchids. There is nothing in it demanding that the Countries of
Origin do anything to protect the plants, or promote their continued
survival in that country. Slash and Burn Agriculture, deforestation,
mining, and other activities of a developing country do more to
eliminate Orchids than the collection of a few species and movement
of them around the world.

The worse part is that growers who set seed pods and raise rare
species up are restricted in the international trade of these plants.
So rather than promoting using artificial means to propagate and
freely trade in these plants with appropriate licenses. They chose to
restrict most international trade in Orchids.

The really bad part of this is that each signatory county decided how
they want to enforce the treaty.

--
--Tom



From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RHS website
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:35


-Hi Roy,

Try this link, found on google, under international
orchid register:

http://www.rhs.org.uk/research/registerpages/orchidsearch.asp

Good luck.

Francis.



From: Lisa Thoerle
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Veitch Index
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:50



I have just finished making an index to the genera in Veitch's _A Manual
of Orchidaceous Plants_ (a good project for a day when I'm snowed in!).
It's in a Word document, done as a table, so it can be sorted however
one wishes. If amyone would like this, please ask. And if anybody has
one that includes species--or is perhaps more thoroughly debugged than
mine--please come forward, and I'll take yours if you'd like to share!

--Lisa, pleurothallidiot
.


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: humidity for Ann
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:10


Its on Lisa's message to me as an enclosure - you should be able to get
it from there - just open/save on the paperclip ( or however your
browser shows attachments ).
Geoff
On 3 Feb 2005, at 04:15, Ann wrote:

> Hi Lisa
> Can you please send me a copy also
>                                 Thanks
>                                     Les 


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: CITES again...
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:00


Firstly , all hybrids should be outside CITES - how can controlling
them save the forest ?

Secondly, there should be no need for import permits , only export
permits - the country of export can then arrange its own system . Some
places may decide that no permit should be issued - ever That should be
up to them. . Others may allow for example licensed collection ,
collection from areas designated for development, etc. If a country
decides to increase its coffee plantations or allow Macburger to clear
rainforest and allows virgin forest to be burnt over , we can't stop
them . After all , we cleared our own virgin forest a long time ago !
If we had not done this, England would still have a population of 5000
. We can't object if another newer country wants to come into the
modern world . Regret it, yes, but forbid it,
But the orchids can't be collected and sold from that cleared land.. It
should be possible for this to happen.
In Canada I think , there was a large population of
Cyprepedium.reginae along the side of a road scheduled to be widened .
It was impossible to get a permit to collect them despite all the
efforts of conservation Societies working through official channels . .
They were bullodozed away . ( This was a story explained in great
detail in the AOS journal a few years ago.)
As for licensed dealers , in a country like Costa Rica or most of the
smaller central American and South American countries , forget it. They
just don't have that kind of infrastructure.
Anyone who has been in these 3rd world countries and seen what actually
happens - plants collected by the locals and used to decorate their
gardens and then thrown away , plants collected and for sale at the
side of the road, and even plants dug up deliberately in a National
Park , by the National Park Rangers and used as bedding plants outside
the park office specifically Doritis pulcherrima, Paph concolor, and
a Cymbidium , I forget which species ,will have no sympathy with any
system which allows allo this , and prevent plants being saved.
Geoff



From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bletilla striata.
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:00


I am sure that Bletilla is a terrestrial , and a cactus compost does
not sound right at all. What it wants is leaf-mould.
Geoff




From: Orchids
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: Royal Horticultural Society - Plants Registration of Orchids
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:30


Roy hope this is what you were looking for
Les

http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registration_orchids.asp


From: Mark Macklam
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Wilsonara.
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:50


Rocky,

Very slow to reply to say thank you very much for taking the time to
research my request. Much appreciated.
Naming is indeed often very interesting and there are some interesting
'short' stories to be had.
Thanks again

Mark

On 28-Jan-05, at 10:19 AM, Roger Grier wrote:

> Hello Mark,
>  
> No more rjr@bobscomp.com: about 'Wilsonara' by 17:00 hours, so I decided to look
> through my 'Library'.
>  
> The answer came from, 'Orchids, Their Description and Cultivation' by...


From: Orchids
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Veitch Index
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:25



Yes please Lisa would be very pleased if you could send a copy
Thanking you very much
Irish

Lisa Thoerle wrote:

I have just finished making an index to the genera in Veitch's _A Manual of
Orchidaceous Plants_ (a good project for a day when I'm snowed in!). It's
in a Word document, done as a table, so it can be sorted however one
wishes. If amyone would like this, please ask. And if anybody has one
that includes species--or is perhaps more thoroughly debugged than
mine--please come forward, and I'll take yours if you'd like to share!



From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Veitch Index
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:35


This sounds like a project for the occasion when one is snowed in for a
decade , not mere days ! And since I moved here , to the South Coast
of England, where we don't actually get frost ( or I moved here under
false pretences ! ) I'll pass on this one Lisa.
Geoff


From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: RHS website
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 06:25


Thanks for the info. The RHS seems to be hell bent on
confusing people. I found someone else looking for the
same page. The answer can as
http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registration_orchids.asp
This is the new page. I'm not sure what they are doing
but we are hopefully right now. As you can see, it is
a totally new URL to the old. Oh, with RHS only
publishing new registrations 4 times a year, at the
rates registrations where happening last year, each
publication will be book on its own. Just think of the
mistakes that could happen and the length of time its
going to take to correct once the mistake has been
recognised.
ROY



From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: humidity for Ann
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:40


In article ,
on 03 Feb, geoffrey hands wrote:
> Its on Lisa's message to me as an enclosure - you should be able to get
> it from there - just open/save on the paperclip ( or however your
> browser shows attachments ).
> Geoff

Geoff, Lisa sent the table directly to you, not the list. Just in case
anyone wonders why they didn't get it! :-)

--
Tricia


Why are our days numbered and not, say lettered. -- Woody Allen


From: len.handley
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: humidity
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:00


Yes please Lisa,Thanks for the offer.
Regards,
Len Handley


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Photos.
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:05

As it is yet another dreary dull day here in Southern England, [where is the sun?] I decided to brighten my day by taking some photos of a couple of good 'Reds'. All Liverpool supporters take a bow now!!!

Both of these plants were 'saved' from the compost heap by me offering to take them on. They are both still not up to their real size, but I do love the red colour of them.

I have tried to make the colours as true as I can, but the Vustekeara is darker than shown.

Rocky.


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos.
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:15


Names not mentioned ?
Geoff


From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: New plants for the family!
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:25


Hi folks,

This weekend Laurence Hobbs Orchids is holding an open
weekend. He has one everymonth, but in over a year,
this is the first time that I have been able to attend
to one of them.

I have promised myself that I will not get more than
two plants (if any), as I have also got to collect the
seedlings that he has been caring for in my behalf
(that is if any of them survived the mould the had all
over!).

So, anyway, I will probably write later on to announce
the names of the new babies added to my ever growing
family of plants!

Cheers,

Francis.





From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: rjr@bobscomp.com:.
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:05


A non orchid question.

If, when we send an email to the Club, how soon, or how long a time should pass before we would normally expect it to 'arrive' for reading?


And an orchid item.

Geoff asked about the names of the two orchid photos that I sent.

No names were available Geoff. As I say they were rescued plants. All I can add is that the one with just one flower is a nice coloured 'Miltonia'??!!

The Vulstekeara, [almost sure that is what it is] looks like a good plant. Three spikes on it to date, and I do have high hopes for it. I feel it in my bones that this one will be a good strong grower, but time will tell.

Rocky.


From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] a couple of plants in flower right now.
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:30


Hi Geoff

This is a very impressive Phaius. Do you need to do anything special to get
it to flower? I have one with half a dozen good sized bulbs but no flower
as yet though I was hoping it would do its stuff this spring.

Andy


From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Email.
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:00


In article ,
on 06 Feb, Roger Grier wrote:
> A non orchid question.

> If, when we send an email to the Club, how soon, or how long a time
> should pass before we would normally expect it to 'arrive' for reading?

I suppose the answer has to be that it takes as long as it takes. There are
several facts to consider, including:

1. The machine here is not switched on 24/7, so it depends on me
downloading messages every so often. This is a minimum of once per day but
usually more like three times.

2. Sometimes it happens that I download a message which is timed around
five minutes earlier, so given that I turn the messages round as soon as I
have run a quick check for spam, etc. it is conceivable that you could get
your message back before you go off line - say 10 minutes after it was sent.

3. There can be hold-ups in the system and mail can be stuck on the
servers for several hours. You will not get it back in a hurry - down to
the ISPs.

4. The turn-around might be a bit slower if I am writing a reply to
include in the out-going batch...

Hope that helps :-)

--
Tricia


Be nice to your kids.... They will pick out your nursing home.


From: Orchids Inc
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Roger's Plants
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:10


Reds_Feb_5th_2005_003.jpg is probably Burrageara Nellie Isler - a rather poor clone.

Red_Vul_Feb_5th_2005_001.jpg is almost certainly Vuylstekeara Stefan Isler.


From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Photos
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:50


Roger, You are lucky to have such a Miltonia.Your submission when it got to me had two photo attatchments plus a third called Att00129htm. What is this?The number 129 increases each time I look at your attachments.
Regards


From: L de Leon
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: What's wrong with my two Orchids?
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:10


Folks,

I come from the newbies corner and could use some advise.

I have 5 dendrobiums. Three are growing vigorously while the other 2 seemed
to have stalled, no new growth. One looks stunted (given to me) and the
other have skinny stems (bought with another specimen who is growing
vigorously). All 5 are all basically raised the same way. What could it
be???

I have read somewhere that some plants had a poor start in life or have
suffered irreversible trauma in the hands of people who can't tell orchids
from cauliflowers. The suggestion was to cut your losses and get rid of
them. I do not believe in presiding over the survival of the fittest but if
it means terminating the agony of the two unfortunate plants, then I could
be persuaded to take drastic action. And in the process, I would set an
example to those who might be contemplating on stalling.

What say you?

Be gentle. I am not about to rush out and procure some ultraviolet
sterilizing system or measure the humidity under the tree where they live.

Regards,

Luis




From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Roger's Plants
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:35


I agree with the names, but don't concern yourself about the poor
clones bit . They are both quite variable from year to year , and the
quality will improve when your culture kicks in - it does not happen
immediately , but you will see better results next year if the plants
continue to improve.
Geoff
On 6 Feb 2005, at 12:14, Orchids Inc wrote:

> Reds_Feb_5th_2005_003.jpg is probably Burrageara Nellie Isler - a
> rather poor clone.
>
> Red_Vul_Feb_5th_2005_001.jpg is almost certainly Vuylstekeara Stefan
> Isler.


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: a couple of plants in flower right now.
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:40

They are of course terrestrials ; hungry plants. I put some peat and
leaf-mould in the compost , and they could really do with being
repotted annually.
Mine does not get it . Always in growth , I water every time I look at
them , and use the hydroponic nutrient mix - 6.0 pH and 600 mS.
Maybe a viigorous clone - I had it as a seedling from Botanic Orchids
in Holland, one bulb the size of a large grape, and the plant maybe 8
inch high , and it just liked my conditions and romped away .

They propagate from flower stems - lay them on sphagnum moss , and they
produce plantlets from the nodes - pretty easy - you should get at
least one plant from each stem , but need some highish humidity and
warmth ( like a propogator) and care that they don't get botrytis

I am happy to post these present flower stems on to anyone who wants
them , but suggest you send me a cardboard tube - the sort you send
plans in through the post, and I'll post them the day I cut them -
need attention when you get them ! Perhaps send a couple to each one
who request , each will probably make two or three lengths of stem to
try .
Geoff
On 6 Feb 2005, at 08:31, Andy Mckeown wrote:
> Hi Geoff
>
> This is a very impressive Phaius. Do you need to do anything special to
> get it to flower?


From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Phaius
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:40

Geoff, I was just about to send a picture of my Phaius when you sent yours .Mine only had Six spikes and is grown in 75% John Innes and 25% Perlite. As you say they are greedy and mine is watered with half strength fertiliser every day. I also have an 'ALBA' but that is not doing very well.
Regards


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:50


Message from Dennis read as follows:-


Roger, You are lucky to have such a Miltonia.Your submission when it got to me had two photo attatchments plus a third called Att00129htm. What is this?The number 129 increases each time I look at your attachments.
Regards


Hi Dennis, I am sure that the number Att00129htm rings a bell as I am sure I have seen this before. Whether it is on my computer or attachments from other people I am not sure, but having done a saearch on my computer and come up with nothing, I feel that I have seen it as the 'Name' for an attachment.

As to why you should get a third attachment I do not know. You tell of the number increasing each time you look at it????? Do I smell a rat, or maybe a virus??!!

Hope you get a good answer.

Rocky.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Luis's Dendrobes.
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:55


Hi Luis from Oz, and what part Oz do you come from please.

Your Dendrobiums. Are they all the same 'Type'. By that I mean are they all hard leaved types, or are some of them quite soft leaved. Got any names for them?

If you have a digital camera and can send some photos, that would be excellent.

If you can get to a local library find out if they have any of Rentoul's books as they will help you a lot. Also try to contact some other grower of Dendrobes.

Looking forward to some more information and hopefully some photos.

Kind regards, Rocky.


From: geoffrey hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] What's wrong with my two Orchids?
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:20


Dendrobium is a very large genus , and whilst it is probable that what
you have are supermarket plants , which tells us the kind of dendrobium
they are, maybe you got them from a collector and they are a different
kind. If ? It is quite natural for plants to rest between successive
growths, especially when light is poor - e.g. the winter. If they did
OK last year , I'd wait until say April or May before being concerned,
and in the meantime go easy on the water.
Geoff




From: L de Leon
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: What's wrong with my two Orchids?
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:55


Hi Geoffrey,

The two offending guys are both Dendrobium Kingianum. I bought one from a
nursery (not an orchid specialist) and the other was gratis from a collector
who I have not met, to help ›start me off“, so I am not surprised with the
latter. It looks healthy but stunted. They both have dried things sticking
out that used to be flowers which I have since cut off so they seem to have
had happier times.

I suspect it is in the water, I give them too much. And these two are just
weaker than the others.

We live in Terra Australis (Melbourne) so you might want to revise your
comment about the weather. I have not seen orchid plants sold in
supermarkets around here, not yet anyway.

Thanks,

Luis


geoffrey hands wrote:

Dendrobium is a very large genus , and whilst it is probable that what you
have are supermarket plants , which tells us the kind of dendrobium they
are, maybe you got them from a collector and they are a different kind. If ?
It is quite natural for plants to rest between successive growths,
especially when light is poor - e.g. the winter. If they did OK last year ,
I'd wait until say April or May before being concerned, and in the meantime
go easy on the water.


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Thermostat.
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:20


Help required to find a good rod, or similar type of greenhouse thermostat. In my cool house I use a conventional electric fan heater, but the thermostat in the fan heater is not reliable or accurate enough.

So, do any of you know of, or have experience of a good rod thermostat, and do you have the web site, address, or phone number please.

I guess something in the range of £30.00???

Thanks, Rocky.


From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: De-ionised water
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:10


Can someone help here?

I want to give some rest from tap water for my orchids
and pitcher plant, as there has been very little rain
in London recently.

I wanted to buy distilled water, but couldn't find
anything like that. The closest thing I have found is
De-ionised water, but before I use it I'd like to know
that this is the same.

Anyone nows that one?

francis.




From: Beccy Holmes
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bletilla
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:35

Thank you everyone who has helped with info for my Bletillas.

I was quite surprised how small the plants were that I received, considering
they were promoted as "flowering size". Can I ask what others think are my
chances of flowers this year? If my chances are slim I guess it teaches me a
lesson in mail ordering.

B

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