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January 1-7

From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Zygo again
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:35


Hi again all: Well I repotted the zygo before getting this digest. The roots looked healthy, only a couple of small segments were rotted. I am attaching a photo of the unpotted plant. I cut off the growth that had turned brown to discover there was green at its core. (ie: the outside leaves were dead and the tops of the inner most leaves only) Also found a new growth just beginning right beside the one I cut off.(see at the left side of the photo) I repotted the plant in the same pot/medium, only this time a little higher in the compost. The info I can find says to keep them cool and moist, and a grower told me that it is impossible to overwater a zygo in growth. The stones were damp but the roots did not extend into the water reservoir area. I put cinnamon on the cut growth (the only antifungal we have access to here in Canada).
So my questions are: if it was rot due to getting water in its core when watering, would this account for the problem? It is obviously not rotting from the psbulb up, so I doubt that the roots had anything to do with its turning colour -or am I mistaken? I thought that it had to do with fertilizer burn, but that doesn't seem to compute either, since I am using such a low amount of it. Then I thought about sunburn, but it seemed to start at the tip and work its way down. Obviously something is getting in the way of the water moving to the tips of the leaves, and the cells are collapsing moving towards the psbulb. Don't know what would cause this! I am happy that another new growth is beginning, but the last 3 new growths have succumbed to a similar fate, and I need to try to stop its progression. Any other opinions out there??
Sharon


From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Zygos
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:00


How strange that Sharon and I should ask a question about Zygos on the same day! As you see from my email I can't help in any way Sharon as I'm getting the same kind of problem! I have noted the other helpful comments though and think the problem may be temperature. I can't keep them any lower that 54F as the Cattleyas would suffer and there is nowhere else I can move them to as the house is much warmer of course. Oh dear! Insoluable problem I fear. Unless I can put some kind of screening in the greenhouse to keep it cooler at one end. I'd be very grateful for any suggestions as I would love these orchids to do better. Jean P.S. Please let me know if the format of my mail is unacceptable and I'll try another email program.




From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cymbidium Seeds
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:05


I had an email today from a man living in South America. He grows Cymbidiums and grows orchids in flasks, having what he calls a 'sterile camera' for growing them 'in vitro'. I think he means a 'sterile box or container' but it could be a small lab. He can't get seeds there and wondered if I had any I could let him have. I don't have any at all and have no idea where I could get any for him. Do any of you have seeds or know where he could get any from? I wouldn't mind buying some to send him if they don't cost too much. Any help gratefully received - Jean



From: Jonathon Loose
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Zygo again
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:30


________________________________________
From: Sharon Williams
Sent: 03 January 2005 00:36

Any other opinions out there??

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi Sharon

How is your humidity? Could it be that the plant just doesn't keep up in
terms of absorbing as much water as it transpires? The sun would exaggerate
this problem and it would probably start at the tip and work down as this is
the way some plants protect themselves - self destruct of the bits which
don't matter so much to reduce the amount of water they lose.

Jon



From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: hello everyone from a new member...
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:40


hi there everyone! my name's mike and i live in suffolk, east anglia. after stumbling across jean's website and chatting with him via email over several days he suggested signing up to orchid talk, and the rest is history :) its been the best thing i've done in ages, great to read so many interesting ideas and advice fro mpeople who definately are really helpful.
im a complete novice, having various results with my orchids, but im glad the say the majority are pretty good :) thinking about getting a greenhouse i nthe spring to house my orchids and other plants outside and probably have a go with some natural forms of pesticide such as geckos, may be tree frogs and also a yemen chameleon too. lovely to 'meet' you all. all the best. mike



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Sharon's Zygo.
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:20


Hi Sharon,

And welcome to the 'Zygo Club', as I am sure you now realise that you are by no means the only person on the planet to suffer from this quite normal 'happening' with Zygopetalums.

Yes, your roots look very good, but I would suggest that you try to get more fresh air around your pot/container. Maybe take it out of the other container and just stand it on a raised surface so that air can circulate around it. As you can see from the lovely fat roots, they can absorb enough moisture to keep them happy for many days.

Why not try making holes in a plastic pot and then repot one of your Zygos in it.

Rocky.



From: Andy Mckeown
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Zygos
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:40


I grow a few zygo in with cattleyas at intermediate temperature and they do
fine. Mine are in hydroculture. The damage that Sharon's plants show I
think is due to rot. I have had something similar with an oncidium when
condensation dripped into a growing shoot. I cut off the affected part and
treated it with cinnamon and it was fine after that.

Andy


From: Jean Lewis
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: message from Jean
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:30


I'm going to unsubscribe and resubscribe using my ISP and Outlook Express and I'm hoping that will stop the problem people are having with the odd format of my mail. Jean



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Zygos.
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:30


Hi Sharon,

I trust you liked Jon's comment about stress. I guess we all forget this valuable point that Jon stated. I well remember a very hot summer that we had here in England some years ago, [to all our overseas members..........we do get one now and then!!!] and the trees dropped their leaves to help them through the drought.

Zygopetalums are very often seen with black outer leaves as Sharon found out. It's just another of Mother Natures happenings.

In my orchid book entitled 'The Culture of Greenhouse Orchids' by Frederick Boyle, 1902, the author speaks many words of wisdom. Here is an excerpt from his piece on Zygos.

They must be potted with ample space for the great fleshy roots, witch push so freely and cling so tight that the mass can never be disturbed without grave injury. Even more crocks than usual must be employed for drainage, because they need a vast supply of water while growing, and abundance at all times - as the extreme juiciness of their roots warns us. The spike appears almost as soon as the young growth - often a pair to each pseudo-bulb.

He then goes on to describe Z. Gautieri.

Zygopetalum Gautieri. [M. Gautieri, a collector] Most beautiful of all. This species is found difficult to grow, because most people keep it warm. I discovered, from my own experience, that it prefers the cool house; but that secret had long been known to Messrs Sander.

Zygopetalum Gautieri is a climber, growing exclusively upon tree-ferns, which its roots so clasp and penetrate that they can hardly be removed. It is always imported on the fern, dead or alive. I had such a piece, dwindling as usual after a year or two, in my stove house. The fern was handsome enough to keep, if possible, but not handsome enough to claim a place which might be occupied by an orchid. I moved it into the cool house, and forthwith the dying Zygopetalum began to recover strength. For several years it has stood beside the door, which is open till dusk in the summer and autumn, in winter also as long as possible, if there be no frost in the air. And every season it gives me about a score of flowers, - green and brown, as usual above, but with a lip all clear dark blue - a lovely tint. Autumn. Brazil. 1868. 15s.

In another of my older books; 'Orchids and Their Cultivation' Charles H. Curtiss. 1950. I found a reference to Zygo. Gautieri. It tells that Z. Gautieri is sometimes recorded as a variety of Z. maxillare, but states that it is a distinct and valuable horticultural orchid. All of the Zygopetalums in this book are stated as COOL-HOUSE ORCHIDS.

The words that I have typed in RED, are to remind me to have a look at my own few Zygos in the morning as I am sure that at least one of mine does have this tendency to be much more of a climber than the others.

Of course, many, or most Zygos that we have I guess are HYBRIDS, but I will still grow mine in my cool house.

I do hope this information will help many of us to grow our Zygos better, and least of all not to loose them.

Regards, Rocky.


From: Sharon Williams
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: More zygo
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:15


Hi and thanks to Rocky, Andy and Jon for your words of advice for my poor zygo. I know that it needs 65 F by day and 50-60F at night, but the only place I have that gets that cool in the day is in a south window (along with a Chinese Cymbidium that is there) and the sunlight doesn't actually hit it this time of year as there is a huge blue spruce between my window and the sun! Would your advice to be to go with temperature over direct sunlight?
Thanks again for your help. It is much appreciated. Zygo's should come with a sign that says "Not for novices!"
sharon


From:
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Digest 2005 Volume 1
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:15


Hi,
I have been reading about your Zygo problems. My Zygos used to just sit
and do nothing, they did not die just sort of languished next to my Cattleyas. I
finally decided to put them outside with my Cymbidiums. They love it. Right
now our night temperatures are going down to 30 Fahrenheit or maybe even a
little lower. The days are about 55 or so. The Cymbidiums are full of buds and the
Zygos have new growths started. This may be a little extreme but it does show
they like cool or maybe even cold temperatures. I live on the Pacific coast
in Oregon, the recent humidity is about 75. I have them potted in plastic pots
and fine fir bark. I use osmocote slow release fertilizer, the formulation is
made for Azaleas I don't remember the NPK ratio. I water from the top and
don't worry about getting the leaves wet. Lately the rain has been doing my
watering chores and the wind blows them dry. I don't know if this will help you but
it works for me.

Mike


From: francis quesada pallares
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Happy new year and deflasking!
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:40


Hi folks,

firstly, I'd like to say happy new year to all of you
and might this 2005 be filled with magnificent blooms!

Secondly, about deflasking. I'd like to thank all the
members that gave me some advice about how and when to
deflask my seedlings. Unfortunately, after a two week
break in Spain, I came back to a flask that had been
taken over by a white fluffy mould growing over most
of the little things. I had no choice but to deflask
immediatley. However, I have no boxes or growing mats
of any type, so I had to put them on an open container
(I hope some of them survive the temperature changes).
I felt that I couldn't do anything else. Laurence
Hobbs had offered to deflask them for me and look
after them until they where vigorous enough to live in
my flat, but due to the condition of the flask and the
fact that I couldn't travel to Laurence's nursery til
the weekend I thought it would be better to kill them
trying to save them than to let them die without
trying at all (I don't think they could wait til the
weekend).

I opened the flask and took the mass of seedlings and
agar. Washed it gently with tepid tap water and put
the whole thing on top of a mass of sphagnum (of the
living type). They are among some of my other orchids,
so they are getting light, but not too much, as they
are lower than the other specimens I have.

Now all I have to do is wait and see if I get lucky.

I'll keep you posted on progress.

Francis.




From: aeranthes2
Subject: Zygos
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:55
Source: mail

Many thanks Mike for the information on Zygos. Gosh! Now I really think I
have the answer!
Mine are obviouly far too warm. To nurse it along a bit I brought one of
them in from the
greennhouse and have had it in our conservatory which I believe you call a
'sun-room'
in U.S.A. We keep it heated at slightly under the temperature of the house
which is around 70F.
No wonder a couple of leaves started to look grotty! I did wonder about
putting them outside
a couple of days ago when it was more like a warm spring day than winter so
I'll try to
keep them cooler and see what happens. Thanks for your helpful reply. - Jean



From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Zygos.
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:00


Hi Sharon and 'Oregon Mike',

Sharon, your 'Not for Novices' sign should not be required, especially if some decent culture instructions were given, so you tell everyone that they CAN grow Zygos.............just listen to the thousands of people who do grow them successfully. It's a sad fact that often, the wrong culture gets banded about. Keep growing them Sharon.

Mike, you say that the temperature gets down to 30 Fahrenheit, and that you put your Zygos outside with the Cymbids. My question is this ,as I know nothing of your part of the world, so, does a frost form on the plants?

Mike remarks also bring to the fore the age old statement........."I could not sleep at all last night, too damned hot".

Rocky.


From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Zygo's
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:30


Heres my pennyworth. Having killed quite a few Zygos I now grow them quite well. They have what I call a 'soft' leaf. I believe they take up a lot of water and get rid of it through the leaves and if there is no air movement they rot.
Mine go down to 10c at night but as long as there is air movement I have no problems.
Regards


From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cool house temperatures.
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:00


Hello Dennis,

Sorry to say that I have somehow deleted one of your comments about cool house temperatures, but I remember you saying that even a drop of two degrees is fatal. Hope I have got this correct Dennis, but could you please explain it in more detail, as my cool house which measures 12' x 8' goes down to about 45 degrees Fahrenheit at the lowest and fluctuates above that on almost every night.

Also, can you give the members of our group the basic information about the trip to Ecuador.

Thanks, Rocky.


From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] message from Jean
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:45


I changed some time ago to Outlook, Jean, and find it very convenient -
except that there is no easy way of getting the incoming message before my
reply, apparently

Ron
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Jean Lewis wrote:
>
> I'm going to unsubscribe and resubscribe using my ISP and Outlook Express



From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Cool house temperatures.
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:55


Roger, I'll talk about temperatures here and give more info about Ecuador separately.
Most orchid dealers say 10c (50F) is cool min. Thats why I suggested you specify your min. temperature.
If you are going down to 45F certain specie Cymbidiums,Encyclia, Oncidiumscan go down to these temps. but be careful with water. Also Bletilla, Plione and all European terrestrials will do well.
The 2C difference mentioned applies at the 50F level.
Regards



From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Ecuador
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:25


Back in Nov.04 there was anotice in theOrchid Review from the OSGB about a trip to Ecuador in Feb/Mar 2006. I contacted Anne Rutter for info. As she is busy organising all trips I agreed to co-ordinate with Ecugenera who will arange the tour in Ecuador. The trip will be for 14/16 days and be based on the trip shown on their web site www.ecuageera.com . Hopefully it will include the Quito orchid festival.
If anyone is interested conact Anne first and then I'll send them the pertinent Emails so far.
Regards



From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: my mail
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:30


Thank you Tricia for alerting me about the wrong address! I checked my
address book and sure enough it was entered incorrectly, I can't begin
to figure out why it had changed! Never mind I trust all is well now
and the the format is behaving itself. Thanks for sending my mail on
to the other members.
Thank you Ron and Dennis for your further comments about the Zygos.
Mine are now outside as it is very mild here at the moment. We have
been promised heavy rain and gale force winds so they'll have to come
in tonight but I'll put them in the front porch with the Cymbidiums as
it's cooler than the greenhouse. I see one Zygo has two new growths
appearing so I must be doing something right!! Jean



From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Cool house temperatures.
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:30


Cymbidiums, Dennis, seem to be quite happy outside here in Portugal where,
in Cascais, it goes down well below 10ºC at night in winter. So I think that
I shall try to find some Zygos and try them outside but I am off to Florida
and Havana in February so I imagine that it will be too hot for them there.
Maybe I can get some in Dijon. I plan to stay there for a week with Betty
but we shall only spend a couple of days at the show then spend the rest
eating and touring!

By the way, for others who are going, I shall be staying at the Best Western

Ron

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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [O rchidTalk]Ecuador
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:30

Dennis, it's ecuagenera.com and I would like to receive further info'

Ron

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From: aeranthes2
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: thank you
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:50


Thank you Gordon for letting me know my mail format is behaving itself - long may it do so! Jean


From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] RE: Ecuador
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:30

Sorry its www.ecuagenera.com - a slip of the finger.


From: dennis READ
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Midsommer Show
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:40


Who in the UK will be going to the Midsommer Malham Orchid Show? It's on Sunday 9 Jan at 8.30 pm on ITV 1.
How many errors will there be?
Regards


From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Re: Cool house temperatures.
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:30


Correcting my previous email, the full name of the hotel is Best Western
Hostellerie Chapeau Rouge.


Ron

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From: Dr Chong-Yee Khoo
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Geoff Hands
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:30


Have you heard from Geoff since his last email on the 18th December? He told me at the Bournemouth Christmas Lunch that he and Joyce were going to Sri Lanka, but I failed to take note of when that was.

I'm getting rather concerned - he can't be reached at his home phone number either (answering machine).

Chong-Yee


From: Ron Bower
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Emailing: DSC00377.JPG Zycgopetalum.
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:50


This plant came to me about 18 months ago in need of some TLC.I wonder if some one can name it, well actually I am sure that many of you can. Looking in Sanders, I think it is a Zygo as has been topical in recent posts.As some of you will know, I in the main grow Phals and this and a few others I have were gifts or hospital cases. This plant had only a couple or so dried up growths on it when it came to me and I have not given it any special attention because I didn't know what kind of attention it needed.It is only the interest in growing Zycopetalums that aroused my interest. It had been in flower for 4 or 5 weeks when I took this photo at Christmas. Ronbow
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From: Ron Newstead
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Geoff Hands
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:15


I last heard from Geoff on 18 Dec. when he said that he would not be
available until mid-January

Ron
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Chong-Yee Khoo wrote:
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> Have you heard from Geoff since his last email on the 18th December? He
> told me at the Bournemouth Christmas Lunch that he and Joyce were going to
> Sri Lanka, but I failed to take note of when that was.
>
> I'm getting rather concerned - he can't be reached at his home phone
> number either (answering machine).
>

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